Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
This AM I turned off SELinux and the firewall entirely. I then ran check_perms, and there were 4 errors, all but 1 with the cgi scripts. Apparently the whole cgi-bin folder had a group mismatch (something I did "to fix things" before I realized most of them actually worked and I forgot to change one back), the only list I had set up had a language error (something to do with EN?) and the admin and admindb scripts had a set-gid error, which mailman fixed and it now works. :-) SO, I guess you were correct that SELinux was somehow causing my troubles. Unfortunately, I didn't save a copy of the repairs from the terminal window when I was logged in as root and the error log still is blank. I'm having a hard time believing that the scripts were not set when I installed since I used the --with-cgi-gid option to configure, reconfigured/reinstalled when I found things were not working correctly, and the other 16 scripts were set properly and working. Perhaps SELinux needs to be turned off preinstall as a general rule? I tried checking in /var/logs/mail, /var/logs/maillog, and /var/spool/mail -there was no listing of errors in any logs. Mr. Dennis, if you want to discuss why I prefer not to use the RPM version of mailman, email me off list. Elissa -Original Message- From: John Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:04:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 21:33 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mailman created a new file, but the others show as plain text and the > new one as octet stream. I'm afraid I don't understand. What "others" and what do you mean the new log file is octet stream? > Right now I'm at accept all on ports/firewall, with SELinux enabled > and enforcing but turned off on the httpd daemon. I can access all of > the pages except the Admin ones. Please turn ALL of SELinux off. There are many parts of the security policy that might come into play, not just httpd. For instance mailman has its own security policy that is mated to the red hat mailman rpm's, which you're not using, there is a tremendous opportunity here for problems due to the mismatch. Let's try to eliminate SELinux as a factor altogether. -- John Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 21:33 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mailman created a new file, but the others show as plain text and the > new one as octet stream. I'm afraid I don't understand. What "others" and what do you mean the new log file is octet stream? > Right now I'm at accept all on ports/firewall, with SELinux enabled > and enforcing but turned off on the httpd daemon. I can access all of > the pages except the Admin ones. Please turn ALL of SELinux off. There are many parts of the security policy that might come into play, not just httpd. For instance mailman has its own security policy that is mated to the red hat mailman rpm's, which you're not using, there is a tremendous opportunity here for problems due to the mismatch. Let's try to eliminate SELinux as a factor altogether. -- John Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
In a message dated 5/17/2005 6:30:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How did this file get created? Did Mailman create it? If so, then the question is "why can Mailman create this file but not be allowed to write to it?". Would SELinux be the answer? Have you tried testing with SELinux turned completely off just to see if that helps? Mailman created a new file, but the others show as plain text and the new one as octet stream. I tried accessing the admin scripts to see if anything was written to the new log, and nothing was. I also tried making it into a text document, so now there are 2 error files- one text and one octet stream. Before I realized the other pages worked, I tried all sorts of things including turning off SELinux and firewall, redoing apache, and configuring ports. Right now I'm at accept all on ports/firewall, with SELinux enabled and enforcing but turned off on the httpd daemon. I can access all of the pages except the Admin ones. Elissa -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
Elissa wrote: >I trashed the old mailman error log. I now have a new 0k >file called error. I can send invites, etc using mailman so I know it's >working as expected. How did this file get created? Did Mailman create it? If so, then the question is "why can Mailman create this file but not be allowed to write to it?". Would SELinux be the answer? Have you tried testing with SELinux turned completely off just to see if that helps? -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
I''m guessing you mean permissions. I installed it exactly the same way as I had in the previous install, with cgi-gid under apache- which is the same as httpd. I have the SELinux disabled for httpd. None of this would explain why the rest of the scripts work except for admin and admindb. They did work in version 2.1.5, but not in the current version I have (2.1.6rc3). As I already stated, nothing is showing up in any logs for those scripts except in the apache log and I posted that yesterday. I trashed the old mailman error log. I now have a new 0k file called error. I can send invites, etc using mailman so I know it's working as expected. Elissa -Original Message- From: John Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mailman-users@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:23:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 13:02 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > May 10th was the day I put in the new hard drive after the old one > died. So basically I did a clean install. I had set up the domain/host > stuff on the old drive so all I did was reinstall. I only have one > domain/host name, and SELinux is on, but not on the snmpd daemon. How did you reinstall? This is important to determine if the security labels were applied. SELinux's control of smtpd is not relevant, its the httpd (e.g. apache) policy that probably affecting you. (I assume when you say the admin interface is not working you mean web access to it). Did you look for avc messages in /var/log/messages? Did you look at /var/log/audit/audit.log? (may not be present) -- John Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 13:02 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > May 10th was the day I put in the new hard drive after the old one > died. So basically I did a clean install. I had set up the domain/host > stuff on the old drive so all I did was reinstall. I only have one > domain/host name, and SELinux is on, but not on the snmpd daemon. How did you reinstall? This is important to determine if the security labels were applied. SELinux's control of smtpd is not relevant, its the httpd (e.g. apache) policy that probably affecting you. (I assume when you say the admin interface is not working you mean web access to it). Did you look for avc messages in /var/log/messages? Did you look at /var/log/audit/audit.log? (may not be present) -- John Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
May 10th was the day I put in the new hard drive after the old one died. So basically I did a clean install. I had set up the domain/host stuff on the old drive so all I did was reinstall. I only have one domain/host name, and SELinux is on, but not on the snmpd daemon. My firewall is technically on, but since I'm trying to debug, it's set to allow everything. The admin interface never worked since May 10th. It did work on the old drive, but I had the last build of mailman then. There was nothing in /var/log/messages except the usual service starts and stops. Elissa - -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:46:36 +0900 From: Jim Tittsler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mailman-users list Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 17, 2005, at 11:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In response to the > question about checking permissions, yes, I've run it several > times, and > genaliases, check_db and anything else I thought might provide a > clue. All checked > out ok. Are you running with SELinux enabled? (Are there additional clues about the permission failures in /var/log/messages? If you start with SELinux disabled, is Mailman happy?) > My mailman log shows nothing, hasn't been updated since May 10th, > but [...] So, what changed on May 10th? :-) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/ Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:41:10 -0700 From: Scot Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access To: mailman-users@python.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Elissa wrote: > > > >>I'm hoping someone can help me fix this. I installed mailman, and >>couldn't figure out why the web interface didn't work. It seems I CAN >>access any of the pages, but the admin ones. I get a lovely message in >>the browser: >>"Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6rc3 >> >>We're sorry, we hit a bug! >> >> >> Not sure what your environment is, but I've seen that message in a multi-domain cPanel environment, where you can set up a domain before it's actually living on that host (preparing to move in). You can get as far as creating a list, but when you go to access the admin pages, it fails with that message. As soon as the domain actually resolves to that host, the problem goes away. Scot -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
> >Elissa wrote: > > > >>I'm hoping someone can help me fix this. I installed mailman, and >>couldn't figure out why the web interface didn't work. It seems I CAN >>access any of the pages, but the admin ones. I get a lovely message in >>the browser: >>"Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6rc3 >> >>We're sorry, we hit a bug! >> >> >> Not sure what your environment is, but I've seen that message in a multi-domain cPanel environment, where you can set up a domain before it's actually living on that host (preparing to move in). You can get as far as creating a list, but when you go to access the admin pages, it fails with that message. As soon as the domain actually resolves to that host, the problem goes away. Scot -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
On May 17, 2005, at 11:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In response to the > question about checking permissions, yes, I've run it several > times, and > genaliases, check_db and anything else I thought might provide a > clue. All checked > out ok. Are you running with SELinux enabled? (Are there additional clues about the permission failures in /var/log/messages? If you start with SELinux disabled, is Mailman happy?) > My mailman log shows nothing, hasn't been updated since May 10th, > but [...] So, what changed on May 10th? :-) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/ Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
In a message dated 5/16/2005 6:37:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, that doesn't work. My reply to you was bounced by AOL because * 554 HVU:B1 http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554hvub1.html This may be true, but the server mail doesn't get checked nearly as often as the AOL account, and the server runs from a REALLY filtered server. I've noticed AOL labelling my digests as bulk mail, but I've still gotten them, while the mail from the server I created goes into my bulk folder. In response to the question about checking permissions, yes, I've run it several times, and genaliases, check_db and anything else I thought might provide a clue. All checked out ok. I did see the other thread. He trashed his log file and that restarted logging so I'll do that. We both have exactly the same issue, new install where those cgi scripts never ran from day one- and even the same errors showing up in logs. I'm no programmer, but is there something different in the admin and admindb cgi scripts? Elissa -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
>Elissa wrote: > >> >>I'm using my aol address to make sure I get my mail. Well, that doesn't work. My reply to you was bounced by AOL because * 554 HVU:B1 http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554hvub1.html EXPLANATION: There is at least one URL in your email that is generating substantial complaints from AOL members. Since the only URL in my message to you was a pointer to another thread in the lists archives, I suppose I can only hint at it. Go to the archives for the mailman-users list by constructing a URL with host name mail.python.org and the remainder = /pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044739.html. There you'll find my previous reply with another archive pointer. Also see Jim Tittsler's response in this thread. -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
Elissa wrote: >I'm hoping someone can help me fix this. I installed mailman, and >couldn't figure out why the web interface didn't work. It seems I CAN >access any of the pages, but the admin ones. I get a lovely message in >the browser: >"Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6rc3 > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > >Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of >traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, >but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. " > >My mailman log shows nothing, hasn't been updated since May 10th, but >Apache's log shows useful information: >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [- Mailman >Version: 2.1.6rc3 -] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [- Traceback >--] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Traceback (most >recent call last): >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File >"/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] immediate=1) >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File >"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in >__init__ >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File >"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] self.__get_f() >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File >"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] 1) >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File >"/usr/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] file = >__builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] IOError: [Errno >13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [- Python >Information -] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] sys.version = >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] 2.3.4 (#1, Feb 2 >2005, 12:11:53) >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [GCC 3.4.2 >20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] sys.executable = >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] /usr/bin/python >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] sys.prefix = >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] /usr >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] sys.exec_prefix = >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] /usr >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] sys.path= >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] /usr >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] sys.platform= >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] linux2 >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [- >Environment Variables -] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >\tSERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.0.52 (Fedora) >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] \tSCRIPT_NAME: >/mailman/admin.cgi >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >\tSERVER_SIGNATURE: Apache/2.0.52 (Fedora) Server at >imcserver.gotdns.org Port 80 >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] \tREQUEST_METHOD: >GET >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >\tHTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >[Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] >\
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug?/no Admin level web access
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 02:14:02PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm hoping someone can help me fix this. I installed mailman, and > couldn't figure out why the web interface didn't work. It seems I CAN > access any of the pages, but the admin ones. I get a lovely message in > the browser: > "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6rc3 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of > traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, > but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. " > > My mailman log shows nothing, hasn't been updated since May 10th, but > Apache's log shows useful information: [...] > [Mon May 16 13:13:04 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] IOError: [Errno > 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' Did you run bin/check_perms? The logs directory and the files within it should be group writable (and owned by the group that you specified as with-mail-gid when you built Mailman). It looks like Mailman is unable to write to your logs (which explains why they haven't changed since May 10th). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/ Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp