Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane
Rob McBroom wrote (at 22:38 on 23 Sep 2016): On 24 Sep 2016, at 0:56, John Cooper wrote: When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. I don't suppose anybody else has seen this? By default, when you type a message, it’s just plain text and stays that way *unless* you type something that Markdown can turn into HTML. Then, the message becomes multi-part and the preview pane appears so you can see what the HTML part will look like. I don’t see anything obvious in your message that would trigger this, but the line at the bottom is obviously an HTML `` and not just a string of text, so maybe it’s something in your signature? I don't use a signature, but you're probably on the right track. In any case, you might want to experiment with the options under Preferences → Composer → Preview: Display. It's set to display the preview "when generating HTML." I don't know why my message should have generated HTML unless *all* messages generate HMTL when "Markdown" is selected at the top of the message composer window. I'll change the preferences to never display the preview window and that'll probably take care of it. I do want to be able to display the preview manually, so I hope I can still do so when I use that setting. I don't understand the styling settings even after reading the help, so I hope it doesn't have anything to do with those. I use the recommended styling method and the "Generate HTML even if only for styling" box is checked.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane
On 24 Sep 2016, at 0:56, John Cooper wrote: When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. I don't suppose anybody else has seen this? I think it’s documented somewhere (maybe on the `twopointoh` page?), but I think this is what’s happening. By default, when you type a message, it’s just plain text and stays that way *unless* you type something that Markdown can turn into HTML. Then, the message becomes multi-part and the preview pane appears so you can see what the HTML part will look like. For example, this message had no preview pane until I typed the ticks above. I like this personally, but that’s because I expect it and use it. I don’t see anything obvious in your message that would trigger this, but the line at the bottom is obviously an HTML `` and not just a string of text, so maybe it’s something in your signature? In any case, you might want to experiment with the options under Preferences → Composer → Preview: Display. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane
Richard Rettke wrote (at 22:25 on 23 Sep 2016): On 23 Sep 2016, at 23:56, John Cooper mailm...@coopercontent.com wrote: When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. I don't suppose anybody else has seen this? It happened several times while I composed this message. I hid the preview pane after the word "reappears" and waited about 30 seconds to see if the preview pane would reappear without keyboard input. It didn't, so I typed the next sentence. I paused at the end of that sentence, and about two seconds later, up popped the preview pane again. I'm using build 5263. I am experiencing the same or similar. Not sure what the trigger is but the preview pane cracks open at the bottom of the window. I yank it shut and a while later notice it is back. I will watch to see if I can determine what the trigger is (if any). That happened too! I finally dragged the separator all the way to the bottom to hide the preview, but the preview kept creeping up so four or so lines displayed! This is a very playful build of MailMate.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane
On 23 Sep 2016, at 23:56, John Cooper mailm...@coopercontent.com wrote: When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. I don't suppose anybody else has seen this? It happened several times while I composed this message. I hid the preview pane after the word "reappears" and waited about 30 seconds to see if the preview pane would reappear without keyboard input. It didn't, so I typed the next sentence. I paused at the end of that sentence, and about two seconds later, up popped the preview pane again. I'm using build 5263. I am experiencing the same or similar. Not sure what the trigger is but the preview pane cracks open at the bottom of the window. I yank it shut and a while later notice it is back. I will watch to see if I can determine what the trigger is (if any). __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane
When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. I don't suppose anybody else has seen this? It happened several times while I composed this message. I hid the preview pane after the word "reappears" and waited about 30 seconds to see if the preview pane would reappear without keyboard input. It didn't, so I typed the next sentence. I paused at the end of that sentence, and about two seconds later, up popped the preview pane again. I'm using build 5263.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] GPG banner flicker in preview
At some point I need to look into this, but it's not going to be soon. No worries. It’s just a cosmetic thing. I’ve disabled the preview pane by default for the time being. :) Let me know if you find some pattern to this behavior… It’s whenever the preview pane is up. I’ve tried changing different styles and whatnot, but to no avail. Just so you can see what it looks like, here’s a screen capture with a new message : https://ttys0.net/images/GPG_Preview_Pane_Flicker.mov Cheers, sean On 23 Sep 2016, at 6:59, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 0:51, Sean Johnson wrote: Typically I leave the preview pane visible at the bottom of the compose window so I can see how things will look as I’m going along. I also use GPG, which works fine for signing, etc. The problem is that while typing the green bar for the “Trusted signature for OpenPGP message.” piece keeps flickering in and out as I type. Is there a way to either disable that piece without disabling preview completely, or is this just a general bug? Although I cannot reproduce the flickering, it could be seen as a more general issue. OpenPGP (and S/MIME) related actions should ideally happen on a separate thread since they can be slow for some users. At some point I need to look into this, but it's not going to be soon. (Let me know if you find some pattern to this behavior such that I might be able to reproduce the flickering myself. Maybe there's a quick fix for that.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Gmail and throttling
On 23 Sep 2016, at 19:43, Vincent Danen wrote: I have a Google Apps account and it seems to be "throttled" all the time to the point where I'm often not seeing new emails at all. Is anyone else seeing this? Do I have too many clients talking to gmail (I have mailmate on this machine and my other workstation open, plus my phone and ipad polling it) and that's what's making Google angry? No, I think you might be experiencing the same bug as described in this ticket: https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/1533 You are very welcome to join the ticket. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 23 Sep 2016, at 15:31, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I’m use [Inbox](https://www.google.com/inbox/) with my phone. It’s a modern interface of Gmail. With INBOX it’s possible to mark a message « fact » and a message go in archives another folder . As a list Todo The message is archived, but also marked as a todo item of some sort? If you go to the Gmail web interfaces can you then locate the email in a specific mailbox? But I do not know which folder to the message will. The message is not downloaded MailMate. It’s a problem ! Maybe check via “Edit Subscriptions” in the IMAP account editor that MailMate synchronizes all relevant folders. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Gmail and throttling
On 23 Sep 2016, at 12:43, Vincent Danen vda...@linsec.ca wrote: I have a Google Apps account and it seems to be "throttled" all the time to the point where I'm often not seeing new emails at all. Is anyone else seeing this? Do I have too many clients talking to gmail (I have mailmate on this machine and my other workstation open, plus my phone and ipad polling it) and that's what's making Google angry? My corporate IMAP work account is awesome and works fine, just seems to be Google. Sad thing is that account may be moving to Google in the next year and I really can't have mails just not showing up. This didn't seem to ever happen with 1.9.4 though so I'm not sure what's going on. Am I the only one seeing this or are others seeing it as well? I have numerous gmail accounts in MailMate (1.9.5) and on 2 other machines (another MailMate and another Thunderbird), as well as iPhone and 3 iPads. I do not see any throttling. Email from gmail has never been 'instantaneous' but it has usually been 'pretty darn quick'. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Gmail and throttling
I have a Google Apps account and it seems to be "throttled" all the time to the point where I'm often not seeing new emails at all. Is anyone else seeing this? Do I have too many clients talking to gmail (I have mailmate on this machine and my other workstation open, plus my phone and ipad polling it) and that's what's making Google angry? My corporate IMAP work account is awesome and works fine, just seems to be Google. Sad thing is that account may be moving to Google in the next year and I really can't have mails just not showing up. This didn't seem to ever happen with 1.9.4 though so I'm not sure what's going on. Am I the only one seeing this or are others seeing it as well? -- Vincent Danen @ https://annvix.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
If I understand correctly, Google's Inbox program automatically sorts messages into other folders when they are received. According to Olivier, the messages in those folders are not downloaded by MailMate, or perhaps they're not recognized as new unread messages. I think the best solution would be for Olivier to use a different email client on his phone. Olivier Bedouelle wrote (at 6:31 on 23 Sep 2016): I’m use [Inbox](https://www.google.com/inbox/) with my phone. It’s a modern interface of Gmail. With INBOX it’s possible to mark a message « fact » and a message go in archives another folder . As a list Todo But I do not know which folder to the message will. The message is not downloaded MailMate. It’s a problem ! Cordially *** Olivier Bedouelle *gérant* [vertdéco](http://www.vertdeco.fr) Port: + 33 6 80 99 99 33 On 23 Sep 2016, at 14:01, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 8:58, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I use Inbox on my iPhone to my emails. I find this practice to see if a particular message is completed. When I put the message "done », MailMate on my computer is not going to get him. Do you know how I can synchronize the completed messages? I'm sorry Olivier, but I simply do not understand the question. Could you try again? (You can send me some screenshots *off list* if that's easier for you.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
I’m use [Inbox](https://www.google.com/inbox/) with my phone. It’s a modern interface of Gmail. With INBOX it’s possible to mark a message « fact » and a message go in archives another folder . As a list Todo But I do not know which folder to the message will. The message is not downloaded MailMate. It’s a problem ! Cordially *** Olivier Bedouelle *gérant* [vertdéco](http://www.vertdeco.fr) Port: + 33 6 80 99 99 33 On 23 Sep 2016, at 14:01, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 8:58, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I use Inbox on my iPhone to my emails. I find this practice to see if a particular message is completed. When I put the message "done », MailMate on my computer is not going to get him. Do you know how I can synchronize the completed messages? I'm sorry Olivier, but I simply do not understand the question. Could you try again? (You can send me some screenshots *off list* if that's easier for you.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] limit the oldest message to be kept locally?
On 22 Sep 2016, at 23:35, Paula R. T. Coelho wrote: i use MM in three different computers, office, home and laptop. in the laptop i’d like to limit the amount of space used by defining that, say, only messages 2 years back in time should be kept locally. i’m *almost* sure i’ve seen this option somewhere in time, as a hidden preference? but i didn’t find it in the online manual for hidden preferences. was I dreaming? No, there was a hidden preference doing something like this, but it wasn't robust and I removed it. Sorry. Your best option is probably to keep the older messages in a separate mailbox(es) and then use “Edit Subscriptions” in the IMAP account editor to unsubscribe locally. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] The lousy Counters UI (was Re: sound notifications in Sierra)
On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:31, Bill Cole wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 11:27, Ted Byfield wrote: (In passing, that counter UI might be for confusing for users who are new and/or less willing/able to put the time in -- but I digress.) Amen. This has been noted about a dozen times on this list in the past. I think Benny has agreed, but it really isn't obvious what else to do without proliferating Preference panes. My (old) long term intention is to remove the preferences pane and move this to a General pane in the mailbox editor. But if I do that then I should probably also introduce a global “mute” option in general preferences windows. It comes up quite often that some users dislike all sounds. A slight improvement would be to have the MM icon in the middle of the 4 radio buttons, so at least there's a stronger visual clue as to their function. I have done that, but I think it'll still be interpreted as the placement of 1 counter instead of the configuration of 4 counters. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] GPG banner flicker in preview
On 22 Sep 2016, at 0:51, Sean Johnson wrote: Typically I leave the preview pane visible at the bottom of the compose window so I can see how things will look as I’m going along. I also use GPG, which works fine for signing, etc. The problem is that while typing the green bar for the “Trusted signature for OpenPGP message.” piece keeps flickering in and out as I type. Is there a way to either disable that piece without disabling preview completely, or is this just a general bug? Although I cannot reproduce the flickering, it could be seen as a more general issue. OpenPGP (and S/MIME) related actions should ideally happen on a separate thread since they can be slow for some users. At some point I need to look into this, but it's not going to be soon. (Let me know if you find some pattern to this behavior such that I might be able to reproduce the flickering myself. Maybe there's a quick fix for that.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account
On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:42, Bill Cole wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 5:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote: [...] The dangerous thing is that Google SMTP doesn't reject the message for being from an unknown account--it changes the headers. I also consider that a bug, but I guess Google does not see it that way. There are reasons that there is not much spam coming out of GMail servers but LOTS coming out of Yahoo and Microsoft. This is one of them: GMail "corrects" the From header and envelope sender address to match the authenticated sender. Just to be clear, I only wanted to imply that I think Gmail should just reject the message instead of altering it. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account
On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:14, Helen Holzgrafe wrote: Don't know how to contact you offline. “Off list”: This could be done using “Help ▸ Send Feedback” in MailMate *or* by right-clicking my email address in the headers view to select “Reply to ...”. But, this reproduces the bug every time for me: Use website: www.123stitch.com (this is a commercial website for needlework supplies in the us). at the top of the page click on the link "contact us". it will open a mail message window in Mailmate. Hmm, that does not open a message window for me. It links to another webpage. But it's not important since I'll likely received some debug information from a couple of other users. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 22 Sep 2016, at 8:58, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I use Inbox on my iPhone to my emails. I find this practice to see if a particular message is completed. When I put the message "done », MailMate on my computer is not going to get him. Do you know how I can synchronize the completed messages? I'm sorry Olivier, but I simply do not understand the question. Could you try again? (You can send me some screenshots *off list* if that's easier for you.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Invisible messages
Incidently, there is no french localization of Mailmate (nor any other language as far as I know). This may deter some potential users, but I understand the amount of work required to adapt the program, amount that will be more usefully used by Benny to improve Mailmate. Alain On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:23, Bill Cole wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 4:28, Jean-Pierre Gattuso wrote: Yesterday, at home, I moved messages to an “archive” folder on my IMAP account. Today, at work, these messages are not displayed in the same “archive” folder by MailMate but are displayed on the web mail. How can I get these messages on my work version of Mailmate? I use Version 1.9.5 (5263) on OSX 10.11.6. [Note: the names/labels of various commands and UI components used below are the English ones. If you are using a French localization of MailMate you will need to translate them, as your command of English is clearly MUCH better than my trivial knowledge of French] I'm not certain what the source of the problem is, but there are 3 things that I can think of that could cause this: 1. The "archive" folder is not synchronized on your work machine. You can either find it in the folder hierarchy of the IMAP account in the Sources section of the MailMate mailbox list and synchronize it specifically (in the contextual menu or under the regular Mailbox menu) or use the menu File->Synchronize->All Sources to synchronize everything. If it fails to get synchronized regularly, the root cause could be that it is be set to synchronize only manually, which you can fix by selecting it and using the "Synchronization Schedule" submenu of the Mailbox or contextual menu. 2. The "archive" folder is not understood by MailMate on your work machine to be THE Archive folder (a single special-purpose folder) for that account, and you are looking at the Archive->AccountName folder in the Mailboxes section of MailMate's mailbox list, which is some other folder in that account. To tell MailMate that a specific IMAP folder should be treated as one of the 5 special-purpose folders recognized by MailMate, select the folder in the Sources section of the mailbox list and use the Mailbox Type submenu of the contextual or Mailbox menu. 3. You are not subscribed to the "archive" folder on your work machine. Select the account in the Sources section of the MailMate mailbox list and use the "Edit IMAP Account" option from the contextual or Mailbox menu to open the IMAP Account Settings window. In the center section of that window there is an "Edit Subscriptions..." button that opens a panel listing all of the folders in the IMAP account and their subscription states, both in the server's subscription list and in MailMate's own internal list that governs which folders you actually see (and which get synchronized) in the Sources section of the MailMate mailbox list. This seems to me to be an unlikely cause, since an unsubscribed folder would not be missing messages, it would be be entirely absent. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
