Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 3 Oct 2016, at 16:08, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 3 Oct 2016, at 16:50, Alain Israel wrote: Indeed, but I was wondering whether « Important » is part of these standard keywords, as it could be used as an all purpose tag, while *flagged, seen, junk* have a specific function. I don't think so. The Exchange server I have access to has this response: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)] Permanent flags This means that the server supports the listed keywords and nothing else. I don't know if this is in any way configurable by the server administrators. I also don't know how/if `$MDSSent` is used by Exchange. Maybe it can be misused to get a single server-synchronized custom tag... $MDNSent is used to mark messages for which a message disposition notification message has been sent. I don't see how Exchange can be repurposing that in any way that IMAP clients (which generate "message read" MDNs) can work with, since messages themselves have headers that indicate the sender's desire for a MDN and the IMAP spec says messages (including headers) must be immutable. Note that Exchange has its roots in X.400 mail, which has an Importance attribute for messages and RFC2156 defines that as translating into an Importance header in Internet email. There is also a common X-Priority header that some versions of Exchange and Outlook use to replicate Importance and some clients have even tried to use a Priority header, an X.400 transplant that is such a bad idea (transport priority determined by sender) that I don't think even Exchange has ever supported it for Internet email. However, some clients have conflated all 3 into a single Importance or Priority attribute that looks like an IMAP attribute (sorta) but doesn't ACT like one because it can only be changed by deleting, purging, and re-saving a message with the appropriate header(s) changed or absent. Complicating the whole thing further, the standard "\Flagged" IMAP keyword is arguably the same semantically as having the Importance header being "high" so there may be some systems which set that on delivery based on the header. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate "remembers" to send HTML to certain recipients... help it forget!
Yes! Thank you, that was it. I didn’t expect that having an HTML alternative for a signature would force messages into HTML mode when they otherwise wouldn’t be. -sam On 3 Oct 2016, at 4:50 PM CDT, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 3 Oct 2016, at 23:03, Sam Hathaway wrote: Still, when I reply to certain people, or even address new messages to these people, the preview pane pops up and the message is sent with an HTML part. It seems that if I (erroneously) sent someone an HTML message in the past, MailMate remembers this and insists on sending HTML in the future. This sounds like you might have 1 or more signatures with an HTML alternative configured. Could this be the case? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate "remembers" to send HTML to certain recipients... help it forget!
On 3 Oct 2016, at 23:03, Sam Hathaway wrote: Still, when I reply to certain people, or even address new messages to these people, the preview pane pops up and the message is sent with an HTML part. It seems that if I (erroneously) sent someone an HTML message in the past, MailMate remembers this and insists on sending HTML in the future. This sounds like you might have 1 or more signatures with an HTML alternative configured. Could this be the case? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] MailMate "remembers" to send HTML to certain recipients... help it forget!
Hi, I think this has been covered before, but I can’t seem to find it in the archives. I have configured MailMate to never send HTML. That is, I have the following settings in the Composer preferences: Preview: Display [when generating HTML] Replying/Forwarding HTML: [Never embed] Embedding method: [Scoped Stylesheet] [√] Warn before discarding HTML when editing Rich Text (HTML): Markup syntax: [none] Default theme is [Standard] Styling method: [Inlining (recommended] [ ] Generate HTML even if only for styling Highlight code using [Nothing] Math language: [None] Still, when I reply to certain people, or even address new messages to these people, the preview pane pops up and the message is sent with an HTML part. It seems that if I (erroneously) sent someone an HTML message in the past, MailMate remembers this and insists on sending HTML in the future. How can I make MailMate forget? -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account
On 3 Oct 2016, at 18:03, Helen Holzgrafe wrote: > Tried with 5279. Problem still exists. Ok, I'll contact you off list for some debugging. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account
Benny, Tried with 5279. Problem still exists. -Helen On 3 Oct 2016, at 4:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 23 Sep 2016, at 22:06, Helen Holzgrafe wrote: (I don't think I ever replied to this one.) Oops! forgot a step! Once you get to the contacts page click on the link i...@123stitch.com near the phone numbers and the photo near the top of the page. Ok, I don't think the nature of the `mailto:` link itself plays a role though. I've sent replies to a few users with this issue asking them to use the latest test version — and then let me know if they can still reproduce the issue. I have not gotten any feedback on that you. You can also try the latest test release: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 3 Oct 2016, at 14:39, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 29 Sep 2016, at 12:08, Alain Israel wrote: This leads me to a somehow related question : would the tag *Important* be transferred from one computer to the other (same account), when using an Exchange-based server? So far the only serious problem I have with MM, although it is not really a MM-specific problem, is that neither tags nor flags (only the defaut color remains, which is better than nothing…..) are maintained when I switch from one computer to the other. Unfortunately Exchange does not support so-called custom IMAP keywords. This means that tags can only work locally. This is also true for colored flags. Only “Flagged”, “Seen”, and a few other standard keywords can be synchronized. Indeed, but I was wondering whether « Important » is part of these standard keywords, as it could be used as an all purpose tag, while *flagged, seen, junk* have a specific function. Alain___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Quoted text weirdness
On 3 Oct 2016, at 8:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:43, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: Some issues: 1. Often a spurious blank line is inserted at the end of the quoted text. (For example if I reply to a plaintext message with a quotation in it at the end.) 2. Quoted text will lose internal blank lines. 3. In a non-plaintext message, quoting already quoted text won’t work and all the originally quoted text loses its line breaks and doesn’t get “double-quoted”. I could probably come up with some example, but I’m curious whether others see this. This is a general issue. MailMate is not particularly clever when it comes to interpreting the selected text when this is used to reply/forward an email. It could certainly be better, but it's not currently a high priority item. I hope it becomes one. I reply to messages multiple times a day and get caught by this repeatedly. John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] duplicated messages
On 30 Sep 2016, at 20:06, Paula Coelho wrote: in one of my three installations of MM i’m having problem with message duplication: a message arrive in Inbox, it appears in Archive soon after with a different UID. Or I sent a message and Sent Messages have 2 identical messages with different ID. I believe this is one of those gmail imap quirks, but I can’t remember what was it that I did different that in only one of my MM the problem shows up. any thoughts? The Sent Messages issue might be because you have 2 mailboxes for sent messages? The default one and one created by MailMate. You can control which one MailMate uses by using the “Mailbox ▸ Mailbox Type” menu item. The Archive issue is weird. Do you, perhaps, have a server side rule marking messages with the Archive label? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 29 Sep 2016, at 12:08, Alain Israel wrote: This leads me to a somehow related question : would the tag *Important* be transferred from one computer to the other (same account), when using an Exchange-based server? So far the only serious problem I have with MM, although it is not really a MM-specific problem, is that neither tags nor flags (only the defaut color remains, which is better than nothing…..) are maintained when I switch from one computer to the other. Unfortunately Exchange does not support so-called custom IMAP keywords. This means that tags can only work locally. This is also true for colored flags. Only “Flagged”, “Seen”, and a few other standard keywords can be synchronized. My recollection is that the colored mails in Thunderbird were maintained, which means it should be possible (at least I hope). Hmm, in that case I don't know how Thunderbird makes that work. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Quoted text weirdness
On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:43, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: Some issues: 1. Often a spurious blank line is inserted at the end of the quoted text. (For example if I reply to a plaintext message with a quotation in it at the end.) 2. Quoted text will lose internal blank lines. 3. In a non-plaintext message, quoting already quoted text won’t work and all the originally quoted text loses its line breaks and doesn’t get “double-quoted”. I could probably come up with some example, but I’m curious whether others see this. This is a general issue. MailMate is not particularly clever when it comes to interpreting the selected text when this is used to reply/forward an email. It could certainly be better, but it's not currently a high priority item. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Moving messages
On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:30, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 28 Sep 2016, at 7:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Another thing: once the move has been effectuated, the box should close. It looks to me like if I click on a mailbox, it stays open (not sure why), but if I hit return or double-click, it closes. Yes, clicking on an item should do nothing just like when using the arrow keys to move the selection. So the current behavior is incorrect? Yes, and it's changed in the next update. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account
On 23 Sep 2016, at 22:06, Helen Holzgrafe wrote: (I don't think I ever replied to this one.) Oops! forgot a step! Once you get to the contacts page click on the link i...@123stitch.com near the phone numbers and the photo near the top of the page. Ok, I don't think the nature of the `mailto:` link itself plays a role though. I've sent replies to a few users with this issue asking them to use the latest test version — and then let me know if they can still reproduce the issue. I have not gotten any feedback on that you. You can also try the latest test release: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
