Re: [MlMt] Composer signature options
On 8 Oct 2020, at 21:33, Glenn Parker wrote: Also, if Default signature placement is set to Top, then the choice of Caret placement is irrelevant, so I think there are only four configurations: Since the Preferences Pane is primarily for users, not developers, wouldn't it be better to call it the 'insertion point', as Apple recommend in their style guide? As a new user, I was confused by what was meant by the 'caret'. caret In developer materials, use caret for the blinking bar that marks the insertion point. In user materials, the blinking bar is the insertion point. Martin S Taylor ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Composer signature options
On 8 Oct 2020, at 13:06, Glenn Parker wrote: I have to say that, even after staring at the UI in the Signature pane more than once, I simply had no idea that this was an option. I’m very glad to have learned. Thanks, Bill! The combination of the 2 radio buttons for Default signature placement and the 3-item menu for Caret placement is not intuitive (at least for me). A panel with 6 diagrams, one for each of the possible combinations, would work better for my brain. Pressing the “Reset Signature Usage History” button was also necessary for me, otherwise the Signature placement buttons did not update as expected. Also, if Default signature placement is set to Top, then the choice of Caret placement is irrelevant, so I think there are only four configurations:  Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Trial version
Charlie: On 8 Oct 2020, at 16:15, Charlie Clark wrote: Some people have implemented and, even better, documented some sophisticated workflows in MailMate. Worth trawling the archives for some of these. If you know of any you can point to easily, I'd be interested. When deciding to test MailMate I read a review (damned if I can find it) from someone who said he found MailMate really powerful once he'd got away from his reliance on local mailboxes. I have a ton of local mailboxes which I've always relied on, and I'd love to know how not to rely on them but to use IMAP instead. Cheers, Martin S Taylor ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
On 8 Oct 2020, at 11:06, Eric Sharakan wrote: On 8 Oct 2020, at 10:52, Bill Cole wrote: On 8 Oct 2020, at 9:32, Glenn Parker wrote: And yet, AFAIK MailMate has no support for bottom-posting replies in the composer window, which is frustrating. And yet, it does. It is not in the obvious place, which would be the Composer pane. In the Signatures pane, there's a "Caret placement" menu and "Default signature placement" radio buttons. If the latter is set to "Bottom" and the former is set to "Above Signature," then in a reply you get quoted text above the insertion point and the signature (if any) below that. So after just posting that this isn't working at all for me, I tried clicking the "Reset Signature Usage History" button in the Signatures pane, and voila!, it works now. Thanks. I have to say that, even after staring at the UI in the Signature pane more than once, I simply had no idea that this was an option. I’m very glad to have learned. Thanks, Bill! The combination of the 2 radio buttons for Default signature placement and the 3-item menu for Caret placement is not intuitive (at least for me). A panel with 6 diagrams, one for each of the possible combinations, would work better for my brain. Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Trial version
On 8 Oct 2020, at 16:02, Raza Rizvi wrote: The trial runs for 30 days and I see how long it has been used for in the top line of the window of all messages I read. There don’t appear to be any restrictions. No, I don't think there are. Coming as I do from the very configurable Mulberry, I am really and truly impressed with what I have found in my 14 days and with the response of the primary developer to questions, even nit-picking complicated ones. I have stopped running my original Mulberry replacement (Thunderbird) which I have been using for the last 9 months and I also started a trial of Postbox at the same time as MailMate, and I ran that once… If you are going to do software, do it right and you will find people who appreciate that - it seems to be the right philosophy to me. I think so. Problems with MailMate are generally down to "fit and finish" – we all know there are usability and documentation issues – rather than functionality. Basically, if you like the flexibility that working with filters gives you, you'll love MailMate, especially whenever you try other mail programs. Some people have implemented and, even better, documented some sophisticated workflows in MailMate. Worth trawling the archives for some of these. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
On 8 Oct 2020, at 10:52, Bill Cole wrote: On 8 Oct 2020, at 9:32, Glenn Parker wrote: And yet, AFAIK MailMate has no support for bottom-posting replies in the composer window, which is frustrating. And yet, it does. It is not in the obvious place, which would be the Composer pane. In the Signatures pane, there's a "Caret placement" menu and "Default signature placement" radio buttons. If the latter is set to "Bottom" and the former is set to "Above Signature," then in a reply you get quoted text above the insertion point and the signature (if any) below that. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate So after just posting that this isn't working at all for me, I tried clicking the "Reset Signature Usage History" button in the Signatures pane, and voila!, it works now. Thanks. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
On 8 Oct 2020, at 9:32, Glenn Parker wrote: And yet, AFAIK MailMate has no support for bottom-posting replies in the composer window, which is frustrating. And yet, it does. It is not in the obvious place, which would be the Composer pane. In the Signatures pane, there's a "Caret placement" menu and "Default signature placement" radio buttons. If the latter is set to "Bottom" and the former is set to "Above Signature," then in a reply you get quoted text above the insertion point and the signature (if any) below that. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
On 8 Oct 2020, at 9:32, Glenn Parker wrote: And yet, AFAIK MailMate has no support for bottom-posting replies in the composer window, which is frustrating. On 8 Oct 2020, at 9:19, Charlie Clark wrote: On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:14, Martin S Taylor wrote: Indeed - sadly, I'm old enough to know that. Are there conventions about whether one should top-post or bottom-post? I see different users here follow different guidelines. Netiquette says: quote and bottom post. It's weird to see "modern" mail clients trying to "solve" the problems caused by top-posting by introducing conversational views. Quoting relevant parts of a mail show focus. Posting below avoids the Doctor Who effect: Doctor Who Who's there? Knock, knock ;-) Agreed. In fact, I find the whole signature preference pane, in addition to the behavior of said signatures and "Caret placement" options, completely confusing and non-intuitive. If I don't have any signatures configured, and just use this pane as a way to specify "caret placement", it won't place the caret at the bottom, even when that's what I select for "Default signature placement", with "Caret placement" selected as "Above Signature." Can we at least get a "Caret placement" option of "Always at bottom"? Configuring a signature doesn't really help, and in fact adds a whole new level of confusion: Not only won't MM place the signature by default when I'm composing a reply (yes I have "Default signature" set to "All Messages"), but when I explicitly request it via the "signature" pulldown menu near the top of the compose window, it ignores my previously defined "Default signature placement" preference of "Bottom", and instead places the signature at the top. Only after that placement am I allowed to go back into the signature pulldown and move it to the bottom. It's all just baffling to me. Thanks. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Version 2.0 Beta
On 8 Oct 2020, at 16:12, m...@rhp.tw wrote: > Pressing the "alt" button gives me version 1.13.2 (5726). Is that correct? Yes, that is the latest test release. The next test release (r5727) will include thousands of small changes since I've been cleaning up a lot of code. I wouldn't be surprised if that also means some new bugs. (I'll be using it myself the next few days before releasing it.) -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Version 2.0 Beta
On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:12, m...@rhp.tw wrote: Pressing the "alt" button gives me version 1.13.2 (5726). Is that correct? On Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 08:31 AM, Charlie Clark wrote: On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:24, m...@rhp.tw wrote: Can anyone download and try the 2.0 beta? Where can one download it? I'm curious to test it out. Press the "alt" when checking for new versions. As with **all** beta software, you should expect bugs, including crashes and potential loss of data so you should only do this if you can live with this. OTOH Benny responds very helpfully to bug reports. Charlie Yes that is correct. (at least that is the same as the version I see and that I am currently running) Raza ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Version 2.0 Beta
On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:24, m...@rhp.tw wrote: > Can anyone download and try the 2.0 beta? Where can one download it? I'm > curious to test it out. To get the latest test release you can hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. This will still be labelled as version 1.x. There's also a version labelled 2.0BETA which is a separate branch of MailMate, but it's not better than the 1.x release and having two branches of MailMate has proven to be a bad idea since I appear to prefer making changes iteratively and not with big new releases. The past week or so I've been working on getting completely rid of the 2.0BETA. The plan is to automatically update 2.0BETA installs to the 1.x release. When that happens then it's the official end of the 2.0BETA branch. (I haven't really been answering emails while working on this since most of the time MailMate was not in a usable state. I could of course use a separate install of MailMate for that, but not being able to use MailMate is a very powerful motivation for putting work into actually making it usable again ;-) ) -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Version 2.0 Beta
Pressing the "alt" button gives me version 1.13.2 (5726). Is that correct? On Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 08:31 AM, Charlie Clark wrote: On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:24, m...@rhp.tw wrote: Can anyone download and try the 2.0 beta? Where can one download it? I'm curious to test it out. Press the "alt" when checking for new versions. As with **all** beta software, you should expect bugs, including crashes and potential loss of data so you should only do this if you can live with this. OTOH Benny responds very helpfully to bug reports. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alert sending from email address?
Very nice solution, thanks! -- Chaim Kram cha...@umich.edu On 7 Oct 2020, at 19:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 11:24:22 -0400 > From: "Shoshanna Green" > To: "MailMate Users" > Subject: Re: [MlMt] Alert sending from email address? > > On 7 Oct 2020, at 10:10, Annamarie Pluhar wrote: > > >> I would love it if when I’m about to send an email from this gmail >> address I get an alert that says something like “Do you really want >> to use this email?” With a yes or no I can click. > > > See "Custom Message Verifications" at > https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences -- it will do exactly > what you want! Copy the sample there to get the format the plist file > needs to be in; then just replace the "conditions" line in the sample > with > > from ~ 'YOUR-GMAIL-ADDRESS'; > > (which means "the From: line contains YOUR-GMAIL-ADDRESS") and set the > "title" and "details" lines to display whatever alert you want to be > alerted with. > > The easiest way to figure out how to format your conditions, if you're > not fluent in whatever syntax plist files use, is to create a smart > folder with the conditions you want and then inspect its definition by > quitting MailMate and opening the mailboxes.plist file to see how the > smart folder is defined there. > > You can check for multiple conditions at a time, and have as many > independent verifications as you want. I have about a dozen, ensuring > that I don't send work email from my church-board address, don't send > board business messages from anything *but* my church-board address, > don't send personal mail to a work contact, don't fail to BCC myself or > use the wrong signature (I have auto-BCC set, but if I change the > sending address after I've begun composing a message the BCC or sig > sometimes fails to change accordingly), don't reply to a mailing list > when I mean to reply to an individual poster, etc. etc. -- the ability > to set up such verifications was one of the factors that originally drew > me to MailMate! > > Shoshanna Green > shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Trial version
On 8 Oct 2020, at 14:52, Martin S Taylor wrote: I'm using a trial version of MailMate. 1. How long does the trial run for? 2. How can I see how long I've been using it? and 3. Are there any restrictions on it from the full version? Martin The trial runs for 30 days and I see how long it has been used for in the top line of the window of all messages I read. There don’t appear to be any restrictions. Coming as I do from the very configurable Mulberry, I am really and truly impressed with what I have found in my 14 days and with the response of the primary developer to questions, even nit-picking complicated ones. I have stopped running my original Mulberry replacement (Thunderbird) which I have been using for the last 9 months and I also started a trial of Postbox at the same time as MailMate, and I ran that once… If you are going to do software, do it right and you will find people who appreciate that - it seems to be the right philosophy to me. Raza___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Trial version
I'm using a trial version of MailMate. 1. How long does the trial run for? 2. How can I see how long I've been using it? and 3. Are there any restrictions on it from the full version? Martin___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
And yet, AFAIK MailMate has no support for bottom-posting replies in the composer window, which is frustrating. On 8 Oct 2020, at 9:19, Charlie Clark wrote: On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:14, Martin S Taylor wrote: Indeed - sadly, I'm old enough to know that. Are there conventions about whether one should top-post or bottom-post? I see different users here follow different guidelines. Netiquette says: quote and bottom post. It's weird to see "modern" mail clients trying to "solve" the problems caused by top-posting by introducing conversational views. Quoting relevant parts of a mail show focus. Posting below avoids the Doctor Who effect: Doctor Who Who's there? Knock, knock ;-) Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Version 2.0 Beta
On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:24, m...@rhp.tw wrote: Can anyone download and try the 2.0 beta? Where can one download it? I'm curious to test it out. Press the "alt" when checking for new versions. As with **all** beta software, you should expect bugs, including crashes and potential loss of data so you should only do this if you can live with this. OTOH Benny responds very helpfully to bug reports. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Version 2.0 Beta
Can anyone download and try the 2.0 beta? Where can one download it? I'm curious to test it out. Thanks ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:14, Martin S Taylor wrote: Indeed - sadly, I'm old enough to know that. Are there conventions about whether one should top-post or bottom-post? I see different users here follow different guidelines. Netiquette says: quote and bottom post. It's weird to see "modern" mail clients trying to "solve" the problems caused by top-posting by introducing conversational views. Quoting relevant parts of a mail show focus. Posting below avoids the Doctor Who effect: Doctor Who Who's there? Knock, knock ;-) Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
On 8 Oct 2020, at 14:11, Charlie Clark wrote: You mean in MailMate, like this? Or is there a web site I can visit? Yes, just like that. Mailing lists are older than websites. Indeed - sadly, I'm old enough to know that. Are there conventions about whether one should top-post or bottom-post? I see different users here follow different guidelines. MST ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
I think most of us within MM for sure. There is a website where you can search archives. I can’t remember if you can interact with posts there or not. Just reply to this list, being sure to quote the right subject, or start a new topical one, and you should be good to go :-) On 8 Oct 2020, at 9:07, Martin S Taylor wrote: On 8 Oct 2020, at 13:02, Charlie Clark wrote: How do I add my comments to a message which is already posted on this list? I can't see any way to post except by sending an email to this address – and I'm not even sure if that works. Sorry to post a meta-query here when all the posts should be about MailMate, but I can't find any help and I'd like to join in the discussions. Just mark the text you want to reply to and select Reply (CMD + R) You mean in MailMate, like this? Or is there a web site I can visit? Martin ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
On 8 Oct 2020, at 15:07, Martin S Taylor wrote: > You mean in MailMate, like this? Or is there a web site I can visit? Yes, just like that. Mailing lists are older than websites. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list
On 8 Oct 2020, at 13:02, Charlie Clark wrote: How do I add my comments to a message which is already posted on this list? I can't see any way to post except by sending an email to this address – and I'm not even sure if that works. Sorry to post a meta-query here when all the posts should be about MailMate, but I can't find any help and I'd like to join in the discussions. Just mark the text you want to reply to and select Reply (CMD + R) You mean in MailMate, like this? Or is there a web site I can visit? Martin ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] English grammar correction
On 8 Oct 2020, at 13:06, Ken Pope wrote: A minority view: I like the informality. The adverb “always” is accepted as informal English. Anyway is a contraction of any + way Always is a contraction of all + ways Personally, I think the result is that "anyways" grates. And, while I don't really care, there is a rule of thumb that advises against such things. Though in this case, the real issue is that it's a kind of in-joke and software is an inappropriate place for such things, even all the "spam" jokes in Python. Charlie Clark -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Posting to this list
How do I add my comments to a message which is already posted on this list? I can't see any way to post except by sending an email to this address – and I'm not even sure if that works. Sorry to post a meta-query here when all the posts should be about MailMate, but I can't find any help and I'd like to join in the discussions. Martin ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] English grammar correction
I am french so I won’t argue, but it can be found in the Cambridge dictionary, as a US informal version of anyway (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/fr/dictionnaire/anglais/anyways). Alain On 8 Oct 2020, at 13:35, mailm...@ivdcs.co.uk wrote: On 2020-10-08 12:06, Ken Pope wrote: You can turn that warning off in user preferences (composer tab). I personally find it useful. The warning is useful, the complaint is about the "MTV" style of language: __anyways__ is not a generally recognised conjunction (I think that's the part of speech here). A minority view: I like the informality. The adverb “always” is accepted as informal English. If formal English is required, “Send anyways?” would need to be rephrased as a complete sentence. Anyways, just my $.02. :) As an English person in England 'anyways' isn't a word of any sort. Never heard it used here. Vaguely remember hearing it in American TV shows. It may have been in use in England before America was so named. David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] sync problems
I am currently using Mailmate (1.13.2) on 2 computers. When I delete emails from the Inbox on one (or move these emails into another maibox), then turn the computer off, and turn on the second one, a large number of « deleted » emails are still present in the Inbox (same for the « moved » emails). I am not sure whether this happens for all treated emails, or just some of them. Is this a (known?) problem due to the server, the app, something else? Alain PS : this also happens with Preside on the iPhone : « deleted » emails are still present. However I am not sure it touches the same emails on the Mac and the iPhone. PPS : my server is of the Exchange type PPPS : I just opened Mail, and I have the same problem.So it seems unrelated to Mailmate. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] English grammar correction
You can turn that warning off in user preferences (composer tab). I personally find it useful. The warning is useful, the complaint is about the "MTV" style of language: __anyways__ is not a generally recognised conjunction (I think that's the part of speech here). A minority view: I like the informality. The adverb “always” is accepted as informal English. If formal English is required, “Send anyways?” would need to be rephrased as a complete sentence. Anyways, just my $.02. :) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] English grammar correction
On 7 Oct 2020, at 22:24 MST, Tracy Valleau wrote: The button that appears in the dialog when the word "attachment" is found in the text, but no attachment is linked in the email (which is nanny-overkill, IMHO) should be "Send anyway?" not "Send anyways?" Hmm.. Here's what I see...  ...running Mailmate 2.0BETA (6092) (from 29-Sep-2017, because I'm still on OS 10.9.5). ビリー ヨーデルマん +1 310 839 7673 http://MIX.ORG/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] English grammar correction
On 8 Oct 2020, at 12:43, Robert Brenstein wrote: You can turn that warning off in user preferences (composer tab). I personally find it useful. The warning is useful, the complaint is about the "MTV" style of language: __anyways__ is not a generally recognised conjunction (I think that's the part of speech here). Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] English grammar correction
You can turn that warning off in user preferences (composer tab). I personally find it useful. On 8 Oct 2020, at 7:24, Tracy Valleau wrote: The button that appears in the dialog when the word "attachment" is found in the text, but no attachment is linked in the email (which is nanny-overkill, IMHO) should be "Send anyway?" not "Send anyways?" 'anyways' is an informal dialect. It may be used, but so is "ain't". And it ain't right to use it anyways. :-) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
