Re: [MlMt] Anyone else have extra HTML in Raw view?

2022-10-24 Thread i...@techworkspro.com
Think I’m seeing the same as you, Pete, in 5922. 

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> On Oct 24, 2022, at 13:47, Pete Resnick via mailmate 
>  wrote:
> 
> It looks like an HTML representation of the message headers.
> 
> I'm also not seeing black on grey for "raw format", but a box around it and 
> colored header names. Something is also goofy about character encodings 
> (though different than what John Cooper described earlier), but I can't 
> figure out exactly what's going on.
> 
> I think some new feature has gone a bit goofy in 5922.
> 
> pr
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>> On 24 Oct 2022, at 11:21, Bill Cole wrote:
>> 
>> Running latest test build r5922, 99% certain it wasn't in r5920.
>> 
>> "View->Show Raw Message" switches the message to black on grey as before, 
>> but now there's a superfluous HTML wrapper around what appears to be the 
>> original raw message.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate misrendering special characters in HTML messages

2022-10-24 Thread Jim Leff
I’m having same problem, and, sometimes, when I choose “download”, 
I get “missing image” reports 
([screenshot](http://i.imgur.com/LT5uSLU.png)), even when the images 
have downloaded as attachments.


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate misrendering special characters in HTML messages

2022-10-24 Thread John Cooper

Henry Seiden wrote (at 11:02 AM on Monday, October 24, 2022):


John,

Trying the same in my version 5922.

Embedding in the body of an email does seem to show in my HTML version 
preview… How do you see it?

Mircea Cărtărescu.

I did it by turning on the international character set of Romania. 
Unfortunately, this is inconvenient. Don’t see any easy way around 
it. Non-slavic languages may be different. Copy/paste doesn’t work 
in my set up, even with Markdown enabled.


You're attempting to answer a different question than was asked. My 
question concerned MailMate's rendering of incoming messages, NOT about 
any message I'm trying to send. The issue was correctly responded to by 
Pete Resnick about 45 minutes ago.


John


John Cooper wrote (at 10:57 PM on Saturday, October 22, 2022):

I subscribe to a newsletter that often includes proper names from 
non-English languages. When I use Mailmate to view a recent 
newsletter, I see the following:


![](https://i.ibb.co/r2q9vHZ/MailMate.png)

When I view the raw message, I see this:

![](https://i.ibb.co/Fs1LjMq/HTML.png)

And when I view the same message in Apple Mail, I see this -- which 
is clearly what the writer intended me to see.


![](https://i.ibb.co/bWmgKy0/Mail.png)

Is there some setting I can tweak to get MailMate to display these 
characters as intended?


The message in question contains the following line:

```Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1```

This seems as if it should be enough to prompt MailMate to display it 
correctly. The MailMate documentation says: "MailMate can handle 
almost any kind of character encoding when receiving emails. This 
includes numerous workarounds for wrongly encoded emails."


I'll submit this as a bug in the Issue Tracker. I'm using build 5918.


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate misrendering special characters in HTML messages

2022-10-24 Thread Henry Seiden

John,

Trying the same in my version 5922.

Embedding in the body of an email does seem to show in my HTML version 
preview… How do you see it?

Mircea Cărtărescu.

I did it by turning on the international character set of Romania. 
Unfortunately, this is inconvenient. Don’t see any easy way around it. 
Non-slavic languages may be different. Copy/paste doesn’t work in my 
set up, even with Markdown enabled.


Respectfully,

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On 24 Oct 2022, at 12:50, John Cooper wrote:


John Cooper wrote (at 10:57 PM on Saturday, October 22, 2022):

I subscribe to a newsletter that often includes proper names from 
non-English languages. When I use Mailmate to view a recent 
newsletter, I see the following:


![](https://i.ibb.co/r2q9vHZ/MailMate.png)

When I view the raw message, I see this:

![](https://i.ibb.co/Fs1LjMq/HTML.png)

And when I view the same message in Apple Mail, I see this -- which 
is clearly what the writer intended me to see.


![](https://i.ibb.co/bWmgKy0/Mail.png)

Is there some setting I can tweak to get MailMate to display these 
characters as intended?


The message in question contains the following line:

```Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1```

This seems as if it should be enough to prompt MailMate to display it 
correctly. The MailMate documentation says: "MailMate can handle 
almost any kind of character encoding when receiving emails. This 
includes numerous workarounds for wrongly encoded emails."


I'll submit this as a bug in the Issue Tracker. I'm using build 5918.


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate misrendering special characters in HTML messages

2022-10-24 Thread John Cooper
Pete Resnick via mailmate wrote (at 10:17 AM on Monday, October 24, 2022):

> Except it's wrong. The original message should say "charset=utf8", not 
> "charset=iso-8859-1". The original sender's email program got it wrong. It 
> would be nice if MailMate had the feature that many web browsers have: A 
> choice in the "View" menu that lets you force the charset to something other 
> than what the sending email program (mistakenly) said it was. But this is a 
> bug on the sending end, not MailMate's.

I see that you're correct. Still, from a user's point of view, this is a 
problem that Apple Mail handles well while MailMate does not, which is 
unfortunate from a MailMate fan's standpoint.
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Re: [MlMt] Anyone else have extra HTML in Raw view?

2022-10-24 Thread Pete Resnick via mailmate

It looks like an HTML representation of the message headers.

I'm also not seeing black on grey for "raw format", but a box around it 
and colored header names. Something is also goofy about character 
encodings (though different than what John Cooper described earlier), 
but I can't figure out exactly what's going on.


I think some new feature has gone a bit goofy in 5922.

pr


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On 24 Oct 2022, at 11:21, Bill Cole wrote:


Running latest test build r5922, 99% certain it wasn't in r5920.

"View->Show Raw Message" switches the message to black on grey as 
before, but now there's a superfluous HTML wrapper around what appears 
to be the original raw message.




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Re: [MlMt] MailMate misrendering special characters in HTML messages

2022-10-24 Thread Pete Resnick via mailmate

On 24 Oct 2022, at 11:50, John Cooper wrote:


John Cooper wrote (at 10:57 PM on Saturday, October 22, 2022):

I subscribe to a newsletter that often includes proper names from 
non-English languages. When I use Mailmate to view a recent 
newsletter, I see the following:


![](https://i.ibb.co/r2q9vHZ/MailMate.png)

When I view the raw message, I see this:

![](https://i.ibb.co/Fs1LjMq/HTML.png)

And when I view the same message in Apple Mail, I see this -- which 
is clearly what the writer intended me to see.


![](https://i.ibb.co/bWmgKy0/Mail.png)

Is there some setting I can tweak to get MailMate to display these 
characters as intended?


The message in question contains the following line:

```Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1```

This seems as if it should be enough to prompt MailMate to display it 
correctly.


Except it's wrong. The original message should say "charset=utf8", not 
"charset=iso-8859-1". The original sender's email program got it wrong. 
It would be nice if MailMate had the feature that many web browsers 
have: A choice in the "View" menu that lets you force the charset to 
something other than what the sending email program (mistakenly) said it 
was. But this is a bug on the sending end, not MailMate's.


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate misrendering special characters in HTML messages

2022-10-24 Thread John Cooper

John Cooper wrote (at 10:57 PM on Saturday, October 22, 2022):

I subscribe to a newsletter that often includes proper names from 
non-English languages. When I use Mailmate to view a recent 
newsletter, I see the following:


![](https://i.ibb.co/r2q9vHZ/MailMate.png)

When I view the raw message, I see this:

![](https://i.ibb.co/Fs1LjMq/HTML.png)

And when I view the same message in Apple Mail, I see this -- which is 
clearly what the writer intended me to see.


![](https://i.ibb.co/bWmgKy0/Mail.png)

Is there some setting I can tweak to get MailMate to display these 
characters as intended?


The message in question contains the following line:

```Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1```

This seems as if it should be enough to prompt MailMate to display it 
correctly. The MailMate documentation says: "MailMate can handle almost 
any kind of character encoding when receiving emails. This includes 
numerous workarounds for wrongly encoded emails."


I'll submit this as a bug in the Issue Tracker. I'm using build 5918.


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[MlMt] Anyone else have extra HTML in Raw view?

2022-10-24 Thread Bill Cole
Running latest test build r5922, 99% certain it wasn't in r5920.

"View->Show Raw Message" switches the message to black on grey as before, but 
now there's a superfluous HTML wrapper around what appears to be the original 
raw message.



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