Re: [MlMt] Preserving Layouts
On 9 Aug 2021, at 14:21, Robert DelRossi wrote: Sure I’m missing something obvious, but most days when I start MailMate I need to reset my preferred view to Widescreen. Is there a way to preserve that so that MailMate always starts with this selection? This could be superstition, but in my experience if *I* quit MailMate, the layout is preserved. If the *system* quits MailMate (restart/log out/shut down), the layout is lost. So maybe if you can remember to manually quit MailMate before every reboot, you won’t have this problem? I never remember to do it, but I did just remember that Quicksilver allows [event triggers][1] for “Computer Will Shut Down” so I just created one to quit MailMate. Haven’t tested it. IF it works, I’ll have to manually start MM after a reboot, but at least the layout will be preserved. [1]: https://qsapp.com/manual/plugins/eventtriggers/ -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] next message is auto-marked read
On 26 Jul 2021, at 15:53, Shoshanna Green wrote: I use the two-panel layout, opening messages in a separate window. When I move or delete a message that is open in its own window, the message that is then newly selected in the messages list gets marked as read, even though it has never been opened. (This doesn't happen if I move or delete a message from the message list without opening it in its own window.) I'm sure I've seen this misbehavior before, but I can't remember what I did about it...help? I have the same setup and see this same bug. My theory is that the next message is selected _before_ the message window closes instead of after, causing it to be opened for a split second. Until this is fixed, what I’ve done is enable the setting to “Mark messages as read after 1.5 seconds”. That causes them to be marked as read when I actually open them, but not when they get selected for a split-second. Of course, you can tweak the delay to find what works for you. -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message preview won't stay turned off
On 29 May 2021, at 2:37, Dave Carpenter wrote: Guys n’ gals, I don’t want preview. It stays disabled for awhile, then it’s there to the right of the new email I’m creating. I go to View>Layout and this is what I see. The “Preview” item is never checkmarked, only the “Preview at right”, which won’t un-check. Only the “Preview” item (which is never checked) responds: when I click on it, the preview goes away. Am I the only one experiencing this? From the main MailMate window try choosing View → Layout → Two Panes. As for making that setting stick, I don’t think it will. If I quit MailMate and relaunch it, everything is back how I left it, but if it gets restarted as part of a system restart (which is far more common), it forgets my layout and which folders I had expanded. -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Messages marked as “read” in Version 1.14 (5757)
On 18 Feb 2021, at 11:51, Bill Cole wrote: Have you tried just switching to the "Two Panes" layout instead of the "Three Panes" layout? No, I wasn’t aware of it. (I haven’t looked at the Layouts for years.) That’s probably what I should have been using all along. Anyway, I’ve just switched to “Two Panes” and it makes no difference as far has how/when messages are marked as read. Thanks. -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Messages marked as “read” in Version 1.14 (5757)
On 18 Feb 2021, at 7:25, Ian Petersen wrote: What do do have in Preferences > Viewer > Mark messages read after X seconds? You can either put a longer time e.g. 60 seconds or remove the tickmark altogether, which should make messages only be marked read manually. I have it enabled and set to 0. I *want* the message to be marked as read automatically, but only if I double-click to view it. But here’s an interesting thing: If I set it to something just above zero like 0.1, the next message in the list isn’t marked as read. This is a decent work-around for now. It seems like when I move a message, MailMate is invisibly opening the next message for a fraction of a second, then “closing” it. Or maybe the order of operations has changed so that when you move an open message, the next message is selected in the viewer *before* the window is closed (but faster than the UI can update to show the next message). -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Messages marked as “read” in Version 1.14 (5757)
I have MailMate setup with the preview pane hidden. Though I really like the idea, I’ve never used a preview pane in any mail app for one reason: It marks messages as read when they’re *selected*, and not when I *read* them. In the latest version of MailMate, disabling the preview pane doesn’t help. Whenever I have a message open (in a separate window, obviously) and I delete it or move it with ⌥⌘T, the next message in the list is selected **and marked as read**, even though it’s never been opened or previewed. I haven’t seen anyone else mention this. Is it just me? It’s creating a lot of work, going back and marking things unread. Thanks! -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Future of Markdown syntax in Mailmate
On 10 Aug 2020, at 10:33, Sam Hathaway wrote: I haven’t tried this, but you MIGHT be able to replace the Sundown binary inside MailMate.app with a symlink to the processor of your choice. I could have sworn there was a hidden preference to change the Markdown processor, but it was described as experimental/not recommended. Did I imagine that? -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Display a single new mail in a new window
On 12 Sep 2019, at 13:14, Randall Meadows wrote: On 12 Sep 2019, at 11:11, Charlie Clark wrote: is it possible to open a single received message in a new window? I just hit the Enter key to get the currently-selected message to open in its own window. You can also hold ⇧ and double-click the message. (That’s the default, anyway. There’s a preference to make opening the message the default for double-clicking _without_ holding ⇧.) -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How can I copy the Markdown of a message I wrote earlier?
On 25 Jul 2019, at 8:08, leo wrote: Sometimes I want to reuse parts of a message I wrote in Markdown in a new Markdown message. For this it would be handy to copy the Markdown source of the old message. Where can I get this text? When you use Markdown, I’m pretty sure MailMate always sends a multipart message with an HTML part and a plain text part containing the original Markdown. Try opening a sent message and viewing the plain text alternative with ⌥⌘[ (or View → Message Body Parts → Previous Alternative). -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature request: DnD text into app icon = new message with that text as body
On 19 Feb 2019, at 9:15, Sam Hathaway wrote: Wouldn’t it be cool if you could drag some selected text (from your text editor, say) into the MailMate app icon and have it create a new message with that text as the message body? I think that makes sense. Until that’s possible (if ever), you can always use the MailMate plug-in in Quicksilver to compose a message using the selected text. You could even create a keyboard trigger for that if it’s something you’ll do often. -- Rob McBroom ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] drag & drop a message to an IMAP folder not working
On 2 Jul 2018, at 20:43, Eric Sharakan wrote: Okay, this is not a MailMate problem; it's system-wide. I can drag anything I want, but the "drop" action fails to perform the drop. I've tried two different trackpads, so I think that rules out a HW issue. A reboot seems to fix it temporarily. Has anyone else seen this? I’ve seen problems like this over the years. It’s almost always because the system thinks a modifier key is being held down. I can usually fix it by just tapping all the modifiers to make it realize the key isn’t being held. I’ve never seen it repeat so persistently, though. I wonder if one of your key switches is physically connecting when it shouldn’t. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] CSS selector for mailbox list and message list?
On 29 May 2018, at 21:50, Mike Hucka wrote: I've read about the css styling approach and have been able to tweak the colors of the message body (using MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css), but I can't seem to find the right way to affect the mailbox list and the list of messages in a mailbox. Those aren’t part of any web view. If you open the preferences and click “Show Fonts”, you should be able to click the thing you want to change and adjust its font. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] revisiting fonts
I think by the time I fumbled around and figured out what I was actually asking, this [old thread][then] was abandoned, so I’m trying again. I was messing with font settings again today and was reminded that the Plain Text and HTML alternatives are basically identical. If I change the font for either view, it changes for both. Is it possible to show plain text messages with a fixed-width font? Is it possible to respect the senders font in HTML, but fall back to variable-width if they don’t specify? Thanks! [then]: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg06847.html -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Preferences for bundle
On 25 Sep 2017, at 11:43, Robert Goldman wrote: I was looking over an online tutorial for MailMate plugins, and one thing I was wondering was: is there a way to provide the ability to set preferences for a plugin bundle? The reason I ask is that the emacs plugin has the path to emacs hard coded, in a way that won't work if you (like me) use Aquamacs for emacs on the Mac. If it's not too hard, I'd add an interactive preference for this, but if it is, could just rummage around in the plist. That sort of thing is usually done via environment variables. See TM_PYTHON or TM_MARKDOWN for an example. Once the bundle has proper support for something like TM_EMACS, users can set that globally in TextMate’s preferences under Variables, or per-project in `.tm_properties`. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What is a Red message?
On 2 Aug 2017, at 11:24, Ralph Alvy wrote: What does it mean when a message is red and can’t be deleted? I think it means the message has been flagged for deletion, but not actually removed yet. Someone who actually knows should confirm, though. I usually see these when deleting with another client, then viewing the same folder in MailMate. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] More on deleting a message and subsequent selection
On 25 Jul 2017, at 10:47, Rob McBroom wrote: After more testing, it seems like the window closes _unless_ you’re looking at the only message in the folder. Now that I know what to look for, I can confirm that this is definitely the problem. The message window stays open only when the archive/junk/delete operation leaves the selected folder empty in the main (background) window. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] More on deleting a message and subsequent selection
On 13 Jul 2017, at 18:18, Randall Meadows wrote: Seems like it, but that leaves the message window open, even though the message it's showing was just deleted. I reported this, but then couldn’t reproduce it for a time and declared it fixed, but it’s definitely not. I haven’t brought it up again because it seems to intermittent. I’m trying to figure out how to reliably reproduce it. What I know at this point: * It affects junk, archive, and delete * It doesn’t matter if I use the toolbar buttons, or my custom keys (`j`, `a`, and `⌫`) Additionally: `% defaults read com.freron.MailMate MmSingleMessageWindowClosesAfterMove 1` I think that setting only applies to an actual move, and not archive/junk/delete. I keep arguing that it should affect *all* moves, and I keep seeing people that are confused when it doesn’t. I’m sure there’s good reason, though. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] deleting message auto-opens next
On 27 Jun 2017, at 12:41, Shoshanna Green wrote: Ditto installation, ditto limited testing, ditto correct behavior, ditto thanks! One thing I’ve found since posting earlier… I have these key bindings: ~~~ j = "moveToJunk:"; a = "archive:"; ~~~ For the past few months, the message window would close automatically with those, but it doesn’t now. When I originally set them up, they required an explicit call to `closeWindow:`, but at some point I was able to remove that. I really liked the way it was “in between” because by not explicitly closing the window, I could use the same bindings in both the message window and the message list (without the main window closing). -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] deleting message auto-opens next
On 27 Jun 2017, at 9:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: If you are on r5383+ then you can also try to see if this makes it behave as desired: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSingleMessageWindowClosesAfterMove -bool YES Just installed 5385. With some very limited testing, it appears to behave “correctly”. Thanks! -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] message windows stay open
On 15 Jun 2017, at 10:14, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: For now, you'll have to downgrade to r5377 I believe: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5377.tbz That’s an acceptable answer for now. Thanks! I'll look into making the behavior optional. (I believe “delete” still closes the window.) The selection behavior, or the closing behavior? I actually don’t mind (even prefer) the behavior where something gets selected when a message disappears from the list. I just want the message window to go away, too. FWIW, my solution to this would be to make moving to Archive, Junk, or Trash respect the “Close window after move” preference. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] message windows stay open
On 13 Jun 2017, at 15:28, Rob McBroom wrote: When I updated the other day, I saw the note about the new preference to control “selection when moving/deleting a message”. I immediately looked for this setting to make sure it was “correct”. I restored preferences from before the update from a backup. The message window still stays open when I archive/delete/junk the message. Any ideas? This is driving me nuts. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Changed prefs
On 28 Feb 2017, at 20:28, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: That was weird. The View menu is back to its old self and I see that the "Hide message preview" was once again off. I couldn't tell, in part, because the window was extended down off the bottom of my screen (maybe because I have different two-screen set-ups at home and at work?). In any case, I selected that option again and now all is well. Still, those prefs changed on their own, AFAICT. This happened to me too recently. Messages were suddenly being marked as “read” as soon as I single-clicked them. I just had to tell it to hide the preview again (even though it wasn’t visible to begin with). Now, this was right after launching for the first time on a new machine after Migration Assistant moved everything over, so maybe some weirdness should be expected. Still though, why just that one preference out of the hundreds that made it over just fine? -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What is happening
On 24 Feb 2017, at 3:38, Billy Youdelman wrote: If using a disk image to ship an app, users should drag the app from the image to its desired installation location (usually /Applications) before launching it. They literally mean drag, using Finder specifically, and not copy or move using the method of your choice. If you “installed” MailMate by doing something other than dragging it in Finder, that’s probably why this is happening. (This might also work correctly if dragging in the latest version of Path Finder, but their release notes weren’t 100% clear to me.) -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Can't set MM as default mail client
On 6 Jan 2017, at 11:07, Robert M. Münch wrote: I now tried several times to set MM as my default mail client. But it fails. When quitting & restarting it, Apple mail is the default again. Same when I click any mailto: references. Apple mail is started instead of MM. Any ideas how to fix this? I’m not sure what OS version you’re on, or if Apple ever fixed the problem, but you should probably start here… https://blog.freron.com/2015/default-email-client-on-el-capitan/ -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Moving messages
On 26 Sep 2016, at 15:34, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: When the box pops up to select a mailbox to move the selected message into, it takes only one click to make the move. That is, select and move are both combined. I keep expecting to have to double click and therefore move two messages. Reasonable people can disagree, but I think it’s supposed to be as fast a process as possible, so the current behavior seems fine to me. Honestly, my first thought was “You can use the mouse on that window?” Have you given the keyboard a try there? The search is Quicksilver-like so you can get the folder you want very quickly. For example, to select “Inbox → Work Account”, you could just type “iwac” (or less) then hit `↩`. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane
On 24 Sep 2016, at 0:56, John Cooper wrote: When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. I don't suppose anybody else has seen this? I think it’s documented somewhere (maybe on the `twopointoh` page?), but I think this is what’s happening. By default, when you type a message, it’s just plain text and stays that way *unless* you type something that Markdown can turn into HTML. Then, the message becomes multi-part and the preview pane appears so you can see what the HTML part will look like. For example, this message had no preview pane until I typed the ticks above. I like this personally, but that’s because I expect it and use it. I don’t see anything obvious in your message that would trigger this, but the line at the bottom is obviously an HTML `` and not just a string of text, so maybe it’s something in your signature? In any case, you might want to experiment with the options under Preferences → Composer → Preview: Display. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate 1.9.5 - how to get old functionality back
On 21 Sep 2016, at 6:06, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: For some users, the inlining CSS in HTML functionality used when embedding HTML or styling outgoing messages is very slow. I'm still looking into how to get around this problem. I haven’t seen any performance problems, but thanks to Little Snitch, I’ve noticed that when you reply to an HTML message with images, they get fetched no matter what you have set under “Image Blocking”. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] fonts in 2.0 BETA
I thought I had a handle on the font settings, but after basically starting fresh for reasons no one cares about, I can’t get things to look “right”. I want to use a variable width font for * HTML messages where the sender didn’t explicitly choose a font * Markdown messages that are converted to HTML locally * The HTML preview in the composer window I want to use a fixed width font for * The editing area of the composer window * Plain text messages But from what I can tell, all of the above except the editing area share the same font. Is it possible to achieve what I want? Thanks. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 13:46, Seebs wrote: So, plain text emails are now displaying in a non-fixed-width font. This is not ideal. But I can't find a way to change it. Do you have a custom stylesheet as described at https://manual.mailmate-app.com/customization#css_plist ? Getting rid of mine seemed to make things mostly sane. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] fonts in 2.0 BETA
On 16 Aug 2016, at 7:29, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 15 Aug 2016, at 15:41, Rob McBroom wrote: If I choose a font for the message body, it will be applied to HTML messages (overriding the font chosen by the sender). No, it is only applied to plain text messages (or when viewing the plain text body part of an HTML message). After more testing, maybe it’s just when viewing the HTML part of a multi-part message? For example, the message you sent takes on my chosen font (an I have other examples). I can live with that. The biggest problem was that nothing I did would affect the font used for plain-text mail, or the plain text part of a multi-part message. I finally just tried deleting `MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css` and now plain-text messages are using a fixed-width font again. I guess there’s no reason for that style sheet any more. Thanks. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] fonts in 2.0 BETA
I’m posting this here, since I think its “of general interest”. Based on messing with font settings, tell me if I understand this correctly. If I choose a font for the message body, it will be applied to HTML messages (overriding the font chosen by the sender). If I open a plain-text message, or one that’s converted to HTML via Markdown, the “theme for plain text emails” takes over and I get whatever font is defined there. If that’s true, it seems backwards to me. I would like to choose a font for plain text and locally rendered Markdown, and I would like HTML messages from others to appear exactly as sent. Is that possible? -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature Request: select next/previous mailbox in view history
On 27 May 2016, at 5:29, Ale Muñoz wrote: Another option if just hitting Cmd+T (I love that, coming from TextMate : ) and using up & down arrows to select the mailbox. Yes. Similar to ⌘K in Slack, only better because it allows Quicksilver-style matching. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] deleting entire threads
Selecting and deleting a collapsed thread used to remove all messages. Now, at least one message is left behind. (Haven’t quantified exactly what is and is not removed, but it sometimes takes three passes of select/delete to get rid of a thread.) I only noticed this last week but I hadn’t updated since 5187 in late November, so I can’t really blame it on a recent change in MailMate. Anyone else ever seen this? Thanks. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] mm started(?) resorting sub mailboxes ?
On 24 Nov 2015, at 15:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Ok, I managed to break sorting of IMAP mailboxes (which did work in a previous test release) when I fixed the issue reported by Max. I also found another bug triggered when creating new IMAP mailboxes. There is yet another test release now, but let's just assume mailbox sorting is still broken in some way. I'll handle the next bug report tomorrow :-) Everything looks correct (at first glance) in the new release. Thanks! -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] mm started(?) resorting sub mailboxes ?
On 23 Nov 2015, at 8:46, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: How it works: By default, IMAP mailboxes are alphabetically sorted, but if the user uses drag'n'drop to change the order then it switches to manual ordering (for the related set of mailboxes only). I’m on 5185 now and they’re still sorted with capitalized folders first. Did I switch it to “manual” mode by rearranging sources? (I didn’t move any folders.) Will I have to manually alphabetize all the folders from now on? Thanks. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] mm started(?) resorting sub mailboxes ?
On 23 Nov 2015, at 7:40, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Yes, IMAP accounts and IMAP mailboxes can now be manually ordered. Cool feature. Thanks. Is this related to the fact that folders are now sorted differently? It used to be case-insensitive alphabetical order. Now, all the capitalized folders are first. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using MailMate for 'handoff' from iDevices
On 27 Oct 2015, at 9:25, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: My iPhone is far too old for me to try this feature, but as far as I understand then this feature requires that the two apps are created by the same developer. There's a public API for the system itself, but the format used for the exchanged data is private. (I haven't really read up on the details.) I’ve seen third-party apps on the phone cause the Safari hand-off thing to appear on the desktop, but I doubt you could go the other direction (where something from Apple on your phone makes a third-party app appear on the desktop). -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] mouse selection
On 6 Oct 2015, at 17:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I had to change the default behavior, because some users found it confusing (reporting it as a bug). Oh, wow. People didn’t know about that? It’s been standard behavior for pretty much all list views for decades. I’d argue that *they* should be the ones fiddling with hidden defaults. :-) But in any case, thanks for at least keeping it as an option. I’m all set now. Sorry if it was in the release notes and I missed it. I did read them. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] mouse selection
Selecting multiple messages with the mouse (by clicking one and quickly dragging before it thinks you’re trying to move the message) stopped working for me. Since I had installed a new version of MailMate, a new version of OS X, and switched mouse drivers, I wasn’t sure where to place the blame at first. I tried disabling the new mouse driver (using the built-in from the OS) and it didn’t help. I also tried selecting multiple items in Finder, and it still works, so it’s not a change in the OS. That leaves MailMate. Probably not the highest priority issue out there, but something to be aware of. (One of the many many reasons I like MailMate is that it still allowed that behavior. Mail.app quit doing it two or three versions ago.) -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] mouse selection
On 6 Oct 2015, at 8:34, Rob McBroom wrote: Selecting multiple messages with the mouse (by clicking one and quickly dragging before it thinks you’re trying to move the message) stopped working for me. I should add that you can still select multiple messages if you initiate the drag *below* the message list, but that requires that the list be too short to fill the view it’s in, and doesn’t help if you want to start the selection in the middle somewhere. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Organize by Thread by default
On 3 Oct 2015, at 6:54, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Minor issue but for a few betas MM always launches with "Organize by Thread" on, no matter of what was the previous setting. It seems to forget the sort order when you relaunch as well. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate status (All things HTML)
On 10 Aug 2015, at 16:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Thanks, that's obviously the problem. I'll look into making the script more robust. It’s generally bad practice to install Python packages (other than virtualenv) into the system site packages. This should work… Create a virtualenv inside the bundle itself and install Pygments there. sudo easy_install pip sudo pip install virtualenv # in the bundle’s directory virtualenv env env/bin/pip install pygments Then update the script to call `env/bin/pygmentize`. Or look at how I did it with BeautifulSoup in Quicksilver. I don’t even think I needed `virtualenv`, but that was a long time ago and I’ve forgotten. Other considerations: * You should make sure the bundle that gets pushed out doesn’t include the compiled files. Adding `*.pyc` to Git’s ignore list should do it. * This means MailMate will always use that copy of Pygments and not the one the user has installed in some other location (like `/usr/local`). As a result… * Custom color schemes from PyPI would have to be installed into the virtualenv, too. * You’ll always be able to include a “known to work” version of Pygments. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown inside of words
On 6 Apr 2014, at 11:36, Kee Hinckley wrote: But it’s allowed me to do things like add automatic syntax-highlighting to code blocks, and support tab-delimited tables, and otherwise extend my email in ways which make my work much easier. If someone were to view the plain-text of those messages, or even reply to them, they wouldn’t get exactly what I got, but they’d get something perfectly readable–that’s the basic nature of Markdown. …unless they use MailMate to read the plain-text part, in which case, it will detect `markup=markdown` and run your text through its internal processor, which won’t always handle it correctly. The theoretical future solution takes this into account, and that’s why we need a more official/supported way. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown inside of words
On 7 Apr 2014, at 14:33, Kee Hinckley wrote: No, that’s my point. The whole idea behind Markdown is that readable even if _not_ processed. So the fact that one markdown processor supports a couple extra features doesn’t matter. What you see still makes sense. Yeah, I get that and I agree. *My* point is that “not processed” doesn’t exist in the current version of MailMate. The original Markdown text might be perfectly readable, but there’s no way to actually *see* it with the current behavior. If the plain-text part includes the `markup=markdown` header, MailMate renders it and shows you the resulting HTML. To see what I mean, select the message you just sent me and hit ⌥⌘[ to view the “plain text” version. You’ll see that it’s just HTML without your stylesheet. If you try the same thing on my message, there’ll be no difference at all because one is the HTML generated by MailMate on my end and one is the HTML generated by MailMate on your end (both from the same source). With the possible future implementation, Benny has indicated that `markup=markdown` won’t be added for those using custom parsers, which will make it possible to view the sender’s original Markdown without any assumptions about how it should be processed. That’s why I think it’s worth it to spend time on official support for additional Markdown parsers. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown inside of words
On 3 Apr 2014, at 5:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I think this would be a good idea. I see many emails where inline-emphasis is used unintentionally and I see very few where it is used intentionally. If anyone feels strongly against such a change then speak up now. I personally wouldn’t miss it, but if anyone would, it would be nice if they could use HTML to get around it, such as `emiphas/iis on the wrong sylliab/ile`. I suppose that would work if you could switch to a theoretical future external Markdown converter, so maybe concentrate effort on that over allowing arbitrary HTML. :-) Somewhat related, I regularly receive requests for _adding_ various Markdown features/flavors and the plan is to handle it like this when I get time to implement it: Allow custom Markdown (or other syntax) converters which can be used to generate the HTML body part of a message, but when this is done then the converter must also provide the plain text body part and MailMate won't add anything to the headers of the message about the plain text body part being Markdown text. And in that case, am I correct in assuming that it would be possible to actually *view* the plain-text part as plain text? That would be nice. But now I wonder, why not just make it the same across the board? That is, if you enable Markdown, the HTML part is included and the headers aren’t modified, whether you use the built-in or custom Markdown converter. It seems to me that keeping the current behavior would only benefit people that meet all of the following criteria: * Use the built-in Markdown processor (once they have the option not to) * Don’t include the HTML part when sending * 100% of the recipients are using MailMate and will see the message as intended Is it worth maintaining code for the two different behaviors to accommodate such a small group? -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown inside of words
On 3 Apr 2014, at 11:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: To me the question should be: Is it worth adding the option of alternative Markdown converters at the price of people using inline HTML and other unreadable plain text? I'm not so sure ;-) Hopefully that’s not how people would use it. That’s not how I plan to use it. In any case, you’re not going to be able to impose good taste on anyone, so just think about the benefits for those that already have it. :-) -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate bundle for Aquamacs
On 14 Mar 2014, at 8:02, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: The most recent test version of MailMate includes a change which makes `MM_LINE_NUMBER` available as an environment variable. For now it's only used by the TextMate bundle to place the caret in its default location. You might find that useful as well. TextMate bundle? Where can I get that? -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] When MailMate opens mail from a MailMate user
On 13 Feb 2014, at 11:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Just to be clear, I don't officially support the use of other Markdown processors than the one “built in” :-) I get why, but the more I think about it, the more I think it might be feasible. My main concern is how well suited the Markdown text is to be a plain text body part of message. That sounds like something the sender of the message should be worrying about. Not the MUA. :-) It might be best if the “markdown” part of the content type is not used when you generate HTML with a custom processor, but you would probably need some way to tell MailMate to do that. I (with far less knowledge than you) would do this: Allow other Markdown processors to be used (defined in bundles maybe), but when using anything other than “Built-in”, remove `markup=markdown` from the `Content-Type` header. The only drawback I can think of is that, if you don’t include the HTML part when sending, you won’t see HTML when reading back over your own messages. You *could* specify the Markdown flavor in the `Content-type` header, or in some new header like `X-Markdown-Implementation`. The theory being that the recipient (if he also had that bundle) could use it to render the HTML. But that’s getting pretty complicated. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Thread Arcs styling options
On 5 Feb 2014, at 15:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I’m just thinking out loud. I wouldn’t even be able to implement thread arcs in HTML myself. If anyone wants to play with this then I think I can create a bundle command which demonstrates how one can generate input similar to the above (or something simpler), generate some simple HTML, and finally, open the result in a browser. Slightly off topic: The above is something I had not considered for thread arcs, but I often think it would be really cool if scripts were created which visualized various statistics about groups of messages using, e.g., gnuplot or maybe a graphing tool for HTML. For example, a graph showing the number of emails replied per day, or a pie chart of top-posters on the MailMate mailing list :-) I’ll assist anyone with an interest in such visualizations (or even just simple tables). For both generating fancy custom thread-arcs and the off-topic stuff, I think [D3.js](http://d3js.org/) would do the trick. It can consume JSON and CSV. Check out some of the demos. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New user asks: What is best feature?
On 6 Feb 2014, at 9:39, 1611mac wrote: Background: I have used used Apple Mail (currently handling 6 imap accounts) pretty much for it's whole existence. I used it when it was still [NeXTMail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTMail). What do I win? ;-) Situation: I'm evaluating MailMate before I purchase. Besides using the application, I recommend just reading [the manual](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/) “cover to cover”. It’s not that long, and you’ll get a sense of what’s possible. Best feature for me in Mail is Rules which I use to move mail into sub-folders. This is normally based on sender. It’s not an option for everyone, but I prefer to do this sort of thing on the server (so things are arranged when I read on a phone where organization matters even more). So I can’t comment on the “rules” abilities of one over the other. I frequently have to search for emails based upon words found within the body. I’d say MailMate wins pretty easily here. You can set up the default search just the way you want, and even configure the search interface to appear with a single key. 1,) If you used Apple Mail in the past, what is the best feature in MailMate that shines above Apple Mail? Hard to say, but I’ll go with the thing that really got my attention at first: Being able to write in plain text (Markdown), but have the recipient see something more pleasant[^1] while *also* preserving the original text as I wrote it for those who prefer the text alternative. The one thing I miss from Mail is the ability to read an entire thread in one view. All the messages would be there, clearly separated. A lot of the garbage in top-posted messages would be obscured, and messages would be marked as read automatically in a somewhat predictable way. 2.) What do you consider the best overall feature of MailMate? As a new user of MailMate, what should I be sure not to miss? Two questions with different answers. :-) Some smaller not-to-miss things: * Selecting folders with ⌘T and moving a message to a folder with ⌥⌘T * Look at the smart folders under Examples. What you can do is pretty impressive. The Mailing Lists one in particular. I’ll admit I don’t use it though, since it doesn’t help me when reading mail on a phone. * It’ll try to prevent you from talking about an attachment and not sending it. (In fact, I’ll bet it warns me when I send this.) I don’t send many attachments, but I think this is a great idea. [^1]: With the exception of quoted text, which looks terrible by default. It looks fine to *me*, because MailMate lets you apply a style sheet on the client side. We will hopefully have a way to style outgoing messages one day. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to handle spam/unwanted messages?
On 31 Jan 2014, at 14:05, Nitin wrote: Just wanted to know, how you guys handle the spam or blacklist the senders with Mailmate or any other client? I have created a bundle to create/update a list in Evernote and manually update it with my email provider, once a month. I also have SpamAssassin on the server. Procmail drops everything over a certain score. Messages with a not-quite-that-high score go into a “Probably” folder for manual examination. Any spam that gets through, no matter which folder it ends up in, I move to my Junk folder. SpamAssassin trains every night based on Junk, Inbox, and Trash. The last two are used as examples of ham, which is also important. Junk is emptied after training. Almost nothing client side, in other words, although MailMate makes the one and only manual step (Move to Junk) very easy. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Why is Save... grayed out?
On 30 Jan 2014, at 7:49, Rob McClure wrote: I was hoping to save selected received important messages separately so Save as might be the missing function. Thinking text and .eml or .msg. Until it’s implemented, you can drag a message from the message list to Finder. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Do we need a better way to disable text/not-really-plain?
On 15 Jan 2014, at 15:02, Bill Cole wrote: Which is why MM generates a multipart/alternative message with text/plain and text/html parts when one enables Markdown. True, I had forgotten about that, but the sender can omit the HTML part without turning of Markdown, as Benny said. Most critical is URLs. If I wanted URLs automatically hidden from me, I wouldn't have MM set to prefer plain text and maybe I wouldn't be using MM at all. I'm a bit disappointed that they are made active (i.e. clickable) without any clear way to turn that off, but I am well-trained to avoid the habits that make that really risky Something that might help is a custom style sheet that makes links really stand out. (I forget what they look like by default.) (OTOH, if something evil grabbed control of the ability to send keystrokes with 'Full Keyboard Access' enabled...) Clicking links in e-mail would be the least of my worries in that situation. :-) I can only speak for myself, but I think the implementation is great. Plain text is easier to write, nearly universally portable, and uses less bandwidth, but (rendered) HTML is much nicer to *read*. So it’s the best of both worlds. That's a very subjective judgment I was clearly trying to pass it off as objective truth when I said “I can only speak for myself”. with an embedded fallacy behind the conclusion. Because any reasonable HTML mail composer creates a multipart/alternative container for the HTML version of the message and a plain text equivalent, the fact that you happen to compose in Markdown (which gets used as the plain text version) uses more bandwidth than if you were to use something that sent pure HTML. Absolutely right. Like I said, I had forgotten about the optional HTML part that gets sent along with the Markdown. I have it enabled, since most of the people I deal with are using Outlook. The only thing I would change is that switching to the plain text alternative should show the original Markdown as written. If that were the case, I think the “Prefer plain text” Viewer preference would make MailMate behave the way you want. No, it does not. If it did, I would not be bringing this up. I’m aware of that. I thought it obvious that I was describing desired behavior, not current behavior. I'm not really open to arguments that I shouldn't want message parts labeled as plain text to be displayed as plainly as possible rather than parsed for markup. You’re not getting one. Not from me, anyway. This is exactly the “desired behavior” I laid out. When viewing the plain-text part (whether by default with “Prefer plain text” or by ⌥⌘[), there shouldn’t be any parsing. (In the case where there is *only* a text part, and it’s identified as Markdown in the `Content-type` header, clients that support automatic rendering should behave as if there are two parts. That would allow us to switch between the two representations and/or see the preferred one by default.) I will spare you the arguments for why HTML email is fundamentally wrong and dangerous. I know them. I used to make them. But when it became clear that some sort of “rich” e-mail was here to stay, and MS-TNEF was one of the more common ways to do it, HTML seemed pretty good all of a sudden. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Do we need a better way to disable text/not-really-plain?
On 15 Jan 2014, at 10:03, Bill Cole wrote: For a fan of standards and simple email, the last token in this MIME sub-part header generated by MailMate is appalling: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown That should only be present if the sender explicitly enables Markdown when composing messages. I notice your message doesn’t have it, for example. Even worse: that non-standard markup=markdown parameter causes MailMate to translate what is labeled as text/plain into HTML which it then renders, instead of simply presenting the plain text. That’s sort of the point. ;-) This can include turning supposedly-plain text incantations into active (clickable) strings and hiding the original text. WHICH IS AS WRONG AS A TEXT/PLAIN RENDERER CAN GET! If the sender has claimed to be using Markdown, but then included something that won’t render correctly, you should take it up with them. (Can you give an example of something that looks “wrong”?) Is the audience for a better default behavior and/or a more support-worthy switch larger than myself and the small crowd of very geeky people I've convinced to use MM? Put another way: is no one who doesn't work professionally with the problem of email as an attack vector even bothering to disable this misfeature? I can only speak for myself, but I think the implementation is great. Plain text is easier to write, nearly universally portable, and uses less bandwidth, but (rendered) HTML is much nicer to *read*. So it’s the best of both worlds. The only thing I would change is that switching to the plain text alternative should show the original Markdown as written. If that were the case, I think the “Prefer plain text” Viewer preference would make MailMate behave the way you want. In the meantime, I suppose you could use ⌥⌘U instead of ⌥⌘[. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alfred search?
On 14 Jan 2014, at 8:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Yes, you can just “open” the file, for example, open ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/.../INBOX.mailbox/Messages/42.eml Opens in Mail by default, which I suspect will be the case for most users, but I’m sure I can get around that. I assume there’s no way to select a message (other than open, followed by manually hitting ⌥⌘S)? Is there any way to search for messages based on content outside of MailMate? Only if you have a Spotlight importer installed which parses `.eml` files Oh, interesting. I assumed MailMate used Spotlight internally for its searches, but if the content isn’t even being indexed, I guess not. (You do *not* need to explain what’s actually happening. You have a million more important things to worry about.) -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] inaccurate message lists
I’ve had this happen a few times. I’ll delete one or more messages via MailMate, then read mail with another client (my phone, if it matters) and see that the messages are still there. I would think MailMate just hasn’t gotten around to deleting them, but there could be hours or even days between the time I delete and the time I check mail on my phone. These messages never appear in MailMate again once it thinks they’re deleted, but they are still there. (I have access to the file system where the messages are actually stored. It’s not just the phone.) I just had such a message. I restarted MailMate to see if it would reappear and it didn’t, but that might have caused it to finally remove the message because it’s no longer on the server. Maybe there’s a delay between “mark for delete” and “purge” and I’m shutting down my machine in between those steps, so it never happens? Though it seems unlikely that my phone would show messages marked for deletion. Related: Is there anything equivalent to Mail’s **Mailbox → Rebuild** menu item? Thanks. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Deleting a thread
On 2 Dec 2013, at 23:27, Jeffrey Horn wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2013, at 06:12 PM, Kee Hinckley wrote: Is there a way to create a key macro to select all of a thread and then delete it? e.g. ``Command-Control-A Delete`` If you enable thread/conversation view in preferences (I don't remember what it's called, and I'm not near my Mac), you should be able to expand/collapse a thread with a key binding. If the thread is collapsed, deleting it will delete the entire thread. Yeah, so if you bind a keystroke to ( collapseThread:, deleteMessage: ) It’ll probably do what you want. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below
On 26 Nov 2013, at 15:03, Jeff Holland wrote: I agree that a mixture of top-posted and bottom-posted replies quickly becomes confusing. Is a thread where every reply is consistently top-posted any less difficult to follow? :-) -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Quicksilver plug-in for MailMate
For any Quicksilver users out there, I created and released a plug-in for MailMate today. If you have MailMate installed, the new plug-in should appear under “Recommended” in Quicksilver’s Plugins preferences. (You might need to refresh the list.) Be sure to set it as your Email handler in Quicksilver’s prefs after installing it. I basically dropped everything and got this done so I’d have an excuse to call attention the the crowd funding effort [over on the Quicksilver user’s list][qs] before it ended. I hope it makes a dent. Maybe the plug-in should be mentioned in the [third party integration][1] section of the manual? If so, it should be above Alfred, don’t you think? ;-) [qs]: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/blacktree-quicksilver/DCeNZ4Supwo [1]: http://manual.mailmate-app.com/extended_url_scheme#hacking_integration_with_third_party_applications -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Quicksilver plug-in for MailMate
On 13 Nov 2013, at 16:38, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:47, Rob McBroom wrote: Maybe the plug-in should be mentioned in the [third party integration][1] section of the manual? I'll do that. Should I link to your mailing list post or is there a better option? Since it can be installed in-application and doesn’t really have a user focused home on the web, I would just include some variation of the installation instructions I gave in my message. If you really want a URL, I suppose https://github.com/quicksilver/MailMate-qsplugin is the best option. (There is a plug-ins page on http://qsapp.com/ where you can download it, but that always shows the latest version, while the list in Quicksilver’s preferences shows the latest version *for your version of Quicksilver and OS X*, so we try to steer people away from manual downloads.) Thanks. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Deleting, moving, marking as read, and threads (new user questions)
On 9 Nov 2013, at 9:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 9 Nov 2013, at 3:10, Rob McBroom wrote: First, is there any way to automatically mark messages as read when deleting them (and ideally when moving to Junk)? First, hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane to get r3832 of MailMate. Then go to the General preferences pane and enable *experimental* 2.0 features. Finally, double click the “Deleted Messages” mailbox and add a rule with no conditions, but simply an action to enable “Seen”. I think that should work (and you can do the same for Junk). I’ve only been able to test it once, but it appears to be working. And by the way, I’m really impressed that I can define the rule on the non-existent “Deleted Messages” thing under Mailboxes, saving me from having to do it for each actual folder in every account. Thanks! Semi-related to that, I typically view messages in a separate window. When I delete the message, the window closes, but if I move it to Junk, it stays open. I have the “Close window after move” preference enabled. That option is related to ⌥⌘T. OK. That reminds me: Is there some technical reason you can’t use ⌥⌘T on a message when it’s open in a dedicated window? You can define a [custom key binding](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings) which moves to junk and closes the window, but that won't work for the default toolbar button. I’ll try that. Thanks. And I also think it is a problem that MailMate does not select the next message in the mailbox view. No! I was trying to be brief, but my original message almost included a huge thanks for **not** re-using the existing window to open another message when I delete. Many clients do that and… I won’t say it’s the worst software feature I’ve ever seen, but I can’t think of a more annoying one right now. At the very least, make it optional. :-) If you delete, move, or mark as read with a collapsed thread selected, it affects all the messages. But double clicking a collapsed thread or selecting it with the preview pane enabled doesn’t *show* all the messages. This would essentially be a so-called conversation view which currently does not exist in MailMate (MailMate can display multiple messages in a message view, but that is rather primitive). It's non-trivial to implement this, but it is one of a few items high on my list (as usual, no promises or time frame). I’ve seen the “primitive” view. That’s what I meant by “show all the messages”. It might not be as fancy as what Mail does, but it’s better than only seeing one of the messages. I can’t imagine the difficulty of properly implementing something like that. Especially marking messages as “seen” as the user scrolls, hiding useless garbage from top-posters, etc. When reading/deleting/archiving messages I strongly recommend using the keyboard only, but I do get your point. (Note that ⌥ also works with right-arrow to expand a thread.) I am normally a keyboard person. (Just [look what][1] I spend my time on.) But for whatever reason, I always go for the mouse in a mail client. I think it’s because it’s a much easier way to switch folders and select the correct message from a long list (which I seem to do constantly). ⌥T and ⌥⌘↓ probably cover 90% of this, if I can just train myself not to reach for the mouse. Thanks for trying out MailMate. I can’t believe I didn’t know about it. I heard about it through Alan’s message about TextMate under 10.9. I just contributed to the crowd funding effort (even though I’m only 90% convinced I’ll stick with it). There’s some amazing stuff in here, but I won’t make this message any longer by going into great detail. [1]: https://github.com/quicksilver/Quicksilver/commits?author=skurfer -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
