Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
On 1 Sep 2014, at 11:59, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: Ok. Thank you ! There is a `r5001` now for you and anyone else interested. I've fixed the codesigning issue, a quite frequent crash bug (triggered when editing drafts), and some minor issues. (I forgot to test that the codesigning-fix actually worked as expected, so let me know if it doesn't.) Here is a [direct link](http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5001.tbz). Remember that this is a highly experimental Yosemite 64 bit build (should work on 10.7+). It uses more memory than the regular releases and very few users have used it so far. Do not download/test it if you do not have time to handle any unexpected issues. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
Ok. Thank you ! *** Olivier Bedouelle [vertdeco.fr](http://www.vertdeco.fr) On 1 Sep 2014, at 11:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Sep 2014, at 9:36, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I have a same problem with r5000. The problem is the code signing done on this release. I have located the problem and fixed it for the next release. I'll write on the list when it's available, but I have to fix at least one other issue first. I'ts not possible to install. As a workaround, you can switch your Gatekeeper settings in the Security preferences pane (System Preferences) to the bottom-most option before launching MailMate. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
On 1 Sep 2014, at 9:36, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I have a same problem with r5000. The problem is the code signing done on this release. I have located the problem and fixed it for the next release. I'll write on the list when it's available, but I have to fix at least one other issue first. I'ts not possible to install. As a workaround, you can switch your Gatekeeper settings in the Security preferences pane (System Preferences) to the bottom-most option before launching MailMate. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
Hi, I have a same problem with r5000. I'ts not possible to install. OS 10.9.4 *** Olivier Bedouelle [vertdeco.fr](http://www.vertdeco.fr) On 30 Aug 2014, at 4:24, Scott A. McIntyre wrote: Interesting issue here - if I try to double click to launch this version, Finder reports that the application is damaged and I should move it to the trash ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
On 30 Aug 2014, at 4:24, Scott A. McIntyre wrote: [r5000] Interesting issue here - if I try to double click to launch this version, Finder reports that the application is damaged and I should move it to the trash. This is on the latest 10.10 beta (Developer, not Public Beta). Ok, this is the second report I got about this. I believe the other one was for the public beta. It is probably related to codesigning (Apple changed the rules again and I haven't really looked into the details). I'll see if I can reproduce it. If I launch it manually from the command line I get: I don't think this is related, but it should be easy to fix. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
On 30 Aug 2014, at 2:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: ...should I be worried about my multi-GB mail store making mailmate on 64 steal all my memory ? ;) Well, maybe a bit worried :-) You are welcome to send some numbers of comparison to me off list. For example, memory usage after launch and memory usage after receiving/sending messages (which can be much higher because MailMate loads data lazily). btw. the bug of as soon as i type a '-' in to/cc it will just select the current address in the list instead of letting my continue typing is still there in latest build for Yosemite ;/ I could not reproduce this and therefore it quickly became a low priority :-) We can debug off list if you like. You can try this debug variable (and then launch from Terminal) to see if there are any useful hints: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDebugAddressCompletion -bool YES Anyone else with the same issue are also welcome to contact me. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
Hi, Nevertheless, if you do not mind the memory usage and you are prepared to run an **alpha** (unstable) version of MailMate then here is a direct link: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5000.tbz The revision number is **a hack** and you should not expect automatic updates to work. Interesting issue here - if I try to double click to launch this version, Finder reports that the application is damaged and I should move it to the trash. This is on the latest 10.10 beta (Developer, not Public Beta). If I launch it manually from the command line I get: objc[10427]: Class BundleMenuDelegate is implemented in both /Users/me/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Frameworks/BundleMenu.dylib and /Users/me/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined. But it DOES launch. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
On 29 Aug 2014, at 20:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 29 Aug 2014, at 17:20, Steve Mayer wrote: So far, no issues using the 64bit version on 10.9.4. Nice to have the QL plugins working again :) I guess the non-working QL plugins and the “disappearing” text field values (mentioned by Edward) are subtle ways for Apple to tell me that I really should make MailMate 64 bit only. ...should I be worried about my multi-GB mail store making mailmate on 64 steal all my memory ? ;) btw. the bug of as soon as i type a '-' in to/cc it will just select the current address in the list instead of letting my continue typing is still there in latest build for Yosemite ;/ /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
On 29 Aug 2014, at 17:20, Steve Mayer wrote: So far, no issues using the 64bit version on 10.9.4. Nice to have the QL plugins working again :) I guess the non-working QL plugins and the “disappearing” text field values (mentioned by Edward) are subtle ways for Apple to tell me that I really should make MailMate 64 bit only. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
Using r5000 (64-bit) on 10.9.4 and not seeing this issue. -- Steve Mayer smaye...@me.com On 29 Aug 2014, at 11:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 29 Aug 2014, at 15:34, Edward Thome wrote: [Yosemite] During a search, once the cursor leaves the field, whatever was written in that search field is no longer visible. Putting the cursor back in the field shows that it is still there, and search still works fine. I held down ⌥ and downloaded your most recent (r4458) and that issue still exists there. I will try r5000 later today. Other users have reported this, but I couldn't reproduce it. Based on your feedback (off list) I now realize that this probably only happens when running the 32 bit version of MailMate on Yosemite. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
On 29 Aug 2014, at 15:34, Edward Thome wrote: [Yosemite] During a search, once the cursor leaves the field, whatever was written in that search field is no longer visible. Putting the cursor back in the field shows that it is still there, and search still works fine. I held down ⌥ and downloaded your most recent (r4458) and that issue still exists there. I will try r5000 later today. Other users have reported this, but I couldn't reproduce it. Based on your feedback (off list) I now realize that this probably only happens when running the 32 bit version of MailMate on Yosemite. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
Benny, So far, no issues using the 64bit version on 10.9.4. Nice to have the QL plugins working again :) -- Steve Mayer smaye...@me.com On 29 Aug 2014, at 6:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Hi MailMate users, I know I haven't replied to the most recent messages on the mailing list (or direct email), but I'll get to it eventually although probably not today. Right now, I just wanted to share some details about the latest test release(s) before the weekend. ## Yosemite Yosemite hasn't been released yet (the rumors indicate late October), but Apple released a beta for Yosemite which means MailMate already has many Yosemite users (more than the number of Mountain Lion users). If using the latest public or beta release (r3905/r4214) then that is a bad experience (due to some issues displaying messages). It has worked relatively well with the most recent test versions, but after installing Yosemite last week I realized I had to work on various Yosemite issues. In particular, some performance issues. Therefore, I recommend for any Yosemite users to fetch the latest test release. Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. Users of earlier OS'es may also notice the performance improvements, for example, when scrolling in the messages outline. Feedback is welcome. ## 64 bit I have been working (in parallel) on making MailMate a 64 bit application. This is not as trivial as it may sound, because MailMate is already pretty memory-hungry for large message stores and going 64 bit is not going to make that better. Therefore going 64 bit has to be combined with various non-trivial optimizations. Some of that work has been done, but it takes time to complete. Nevertheless, if you do not mind the memory usage and you are prepared to run an **alpha** (unstable) version of MailMate then here is a direct link: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5000.tbz The revision number is **a hack** and you should not expect automatic updates to work. (Technical detail: Note that if you do not have a large message store then you may save some memory, because MailMate is no longer going to trigger the OS to load shared 32 bit frameworks if they are not used by any other applications.) Again, feedback is welcome. ## Exchange IMAP I'm regularly contacted about various issues with Exchange IMAP and I've implemented a number of workarounds for server bugs. Today I realized that the `AUTH=PLAIN` login method for Exchange IMAP fails for some users in a particularly annoying way. It accepts the login credentials and then fails on some subsequent request to the server instead (with a BAD response). If you have experienced anything like this then I recommend trying the following hidden preference with the latest test release: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmIMAPForcePlainLogin -bool YES This forces MailMate to use a different authentication method. I'm very interested in knowing how widespread this issue is. Have a nice weekend. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
- On 29 Aug 2014, at 8:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: It has worked relatively well with the most recent test versions, but after installing Yosemite last week I realized I had to work on various Yosemite issues. In particular, some performance issues. Hello, Benny. I installed Yosemite on the laptop, because it isn't so critical to me. Everything has been working fine for me with one exception: During a search, once the cursor leaves the field, whatever was written in that search field is no longer visible. Putting the cursor back in the field shows that it is still there, and search still works fine. I held down ⌥ and downloaded your most recent (r4458) and that issue still exists there. I will try r5000 later today. Thank you, Ed PS: I can't force a crash on the other machine, and in fact MailMate seems more spry than before.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
Hi MailMate users, I know I haven't replied to the most recent messages on the mailing list (or direct email), but I'll get to it eventually although probably not today. Right now, I just wanted to share some details about the latest test release(s) before the weekend. ## Yosemite Yosemite hasn't been released yet (the rumors indicate late October), but Apple released a beta for Yosemite which means MailMate already has many Yosemite users (more than the number of Mountain Lion users). If using the latest public or beta release (r3905/r4214) then that is a bad experience (due to some issues displaying messages). It has worked relatively well with the most recent test versions, but after installing Yosemite last week I realized I had to work on various Yosemite issues. In particular, some performance issues. Therefore, I recommend for any Yosemite users to fetch the latest test release. Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. Users of earlier OS'es may also notice the performance improvements, for example, when scrolling in the messages outline. Feedback is welcome. ## 64 bit I have been working (in parallel) on making MailMate a 64 bit application. This is not as trivial as it may sound, because MailMate is already pretty memory-hungry for large message stores and going 64 bit is not going to make that better. Therefore going 64 bit has to be combined with various non-trivial optimizations. Some of that work has been done, but it takes time to complete. Nevertheless, if you do not mind the memory usage and you are prepared to run an **alpha** (unstable) version of MailMate then here is a direct link: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5000.tbz The revision number is **a hack** and you should not expect automatic updates to work. (Technical detail: Note that if you do not have a large message store then you may save some memory, because MailMate is no longer going to trigger the OS to load shared 32 bit frameworks if they are not used by any other applications.) Again, feedback is welcome. ## Exchange IMAP I'm regularly contacted about various issues with Exchange IMAP and I've implemented a number of workarounds for server bugs. Today I realized that the `AUTH=PLAIN` login method for Exchange IMAP fails for some users in a particularly annoying way. It accepts the login credentials and then fails on some subsequent request to the server instead (with a BAD response). If you have experienced anything like this then I recommend trying the following hidden preference with the latest test release: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmIMAPForcePlainLogin -bool YES This forces MailMate to use a different authentication method. I'm very interested in knowing how widespread this issue is. Have a nice weekend. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
