Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
I have exactly one IMAP account: Fastmail. Under Sources, I see Spam. I do not see Junk. Under Mailboxes, I see Spam and Junk. Both of these are seen as Junk by MailMate when I look at their Type. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, at 4:31 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote: > Let’s first make sure that we are talking about the same junk folder. You > should see one for each of your IMAP accounts under Sources and also one > funder Mailboxes with submailbox for each of your IMAP accounts. Which one > are you referring to? > > On 27 Jul 2021, at 1:03, Ralph Alvy wrote: > >> >> MM does see the Spam folder created by Fastmail as of Type Junk, so I can >> just delete that Junk folder. Right? >> >> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote: >> >>> >>> It sounds like a local Mailbox Junk got assigned the type of Junk (or Spam >>> got renamed locally) and it is mapped onto the standard (for that server) >>> mailbox Spam on the server. In other words, it is the same mailbox (folder >>> as you call them), just named differently locally and on the server. >>> >>> >>> On 26 Jul 2021, at 23:17, Antonio Leding wrote: >>> >>> OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said earlier… The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt side, you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is going on in the local-Spam folder. And actually what happens in local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder. I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - probably should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will withhold any advice\comment. Perhaps others have done this and will comment…. \- - - > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
Let’s first make sure that we are talking about the same junk folder. You should see one for each of your IMAP accounts under Sources and also one funder Mailboxes with submailbox for each of your IMAP accounts. Which one are you referring to? On 27 Jul 2021, at 1:03, Ralph Alvy wrote: MM does see the Spam folder created by Fastmail as of Type Junk, so I can just delete that Junk folder. Right? On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote: It sounds like a local Mailbox Junk got assigned the type of Junk (or Spam got renamed locally) and it is mapped onto the standard (for that server) mailbox Spam on the server. In other words, it is the same mailbox (folder as you call them), just named differently locally and on the server. On 26 Jul 2021, at 23:17, Antonio Leding wrote: OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said earlier… The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt side, you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is going on in the local-Spam folder. And actually what happens in local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder. I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - probably should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will withhold any advice\comment. Perhaps others have done this and will comment…. \- - - ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
On 2021-07-27 07:03:42 (+0800), Ralph Alvy wrote: MM does see the Spam folder created by Fastmail as of Type Junk, so I can just delete that Junk folder. Right? You can think of the folder MailMate calls Junk as a kind of overlay over all the folders of type junk on all your accounts -- whether they're called spam, junk, or something else. If you have multiple junk folders, MailMate's Junk folder will expand and you'll see individual accounts' designated spam folders underneath it. I don't believe anything will break if you delete the Junk folder but ... I've never tried. :) Philip -- Philip Paeps Senior Reality Engineer Alternative Enterprises ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
MM does see the Spam folder created by Fastmail as of Type Junk, so I can just delete that Junk folder. Right? On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote: > It sounds like a local Mailbox Junk got assigned the type of Junk (or Spam > got renamed locally) and it is mapped onto the standard (for that server) > mailbox Spam on the server. In other words, it is the same mailbox (folder as > you call them), just named differently locally and on the server. > > On 26 Jul 2021, at 23:17, Antonio Leding wrote: > >> >> OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said >> earlier… >> >> The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt side, you >> see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a local >> Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is going on in >> the local-Spam folder. And actually what happens in local-Junk should be >> mirrored in the local-Spam folder. >> >> I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - probably >> should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will withhold any >> advice\comment. Perhaps others have done this and will comment…. >> >> - - - >> >> On 26 Jul 2021, at 14:11, Ralph Alvy wrote: >> >>> >>> Okay. Here's what I see. >>> >>> I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk. >>> >>> I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In >>> MailMate its Type is Junk. >>> >>> I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't >>> before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to Fastmail >>> a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while keeping >>> Tuffmail online for a couple days. >>> >>> But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I delete >>> a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in Junk, it's >>> deleted in Spam. >>> >>> So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether since >>> Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct? >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: >>> So to recap (please correct any errors): * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder does *not* exist on the Fastmail server. * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same folder does *not* exist locally in MlMt. * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side. * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but *not* the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side. * The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2). If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are: * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which folder did it land? * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto “Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped? > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
It sounds like a local Mailbox Junk got assigned the type of Junk (or Spam got renamed locally) and it is mapped onto the standard (for that server) mailbox Spam on the server. In other words, it is the same mailbox (folder as you call them), just named differently locally and on the server. On 26 Jul 2021, at 23:17, Antonio Leding wrote: OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said earlier… The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt side, you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is going on in the local-Spam folder. And actually what happens in local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder. I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - probably should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will withhold any advice\comment. Perhaps others have done this and will comment…. - - - On 26 Jul 2021, at 14:11, Ralph Alvy wrote: Okay. Here's what I see. I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk. I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk. I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days. But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in Junk, it's deleted in Spam. So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct? On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: So to recap (please correct any errors): * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder does *not* exist on the Fastmail server. * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same folder does *not* exist locally in MlMt. * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side. * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but *not* the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side. * The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2). If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are: * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which folder did it land? * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto “Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said earlier… The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt side, you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is going on in the local-Spam folder. And actually what happens in local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder. I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - probably should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will withhold any advice\comment. Perhaps others have done this and will comment…. - - - On 26 Jul 2021, at 14:11, Ralph Alvy wrote: Okay. Here's what I see. I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk. I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk. I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days. But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in Junk, it's deleted in Spam. So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct? On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: So to recap (please correct any errors): * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder does *not* exist on the Fastmail server. * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same folder does *not* exist locally in MlMt. * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side. * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but *not* the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side. * The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2). If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are: * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which folder did it land? * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto “Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped? On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote: I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself. On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote: But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does happen. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
I also forgot to mention that the Junk folder has no rules or conditions. It simply mirrors the Spam folder, which Fastmail uses. Okay to just delete it now? On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote: > Okay. Here's what I see. > > I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk. > > I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In MailMate > its Type is Junk. > > I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't > before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to Fastmail a > few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while keeping Tuffmail > online for a couple days. > > But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I delete a > message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in Junk, it's deleted > in Spam. > > So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether since > Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct? > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: >> So to recap (please correct any errors): >> >> * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder does >> *not* exist on the Fastmail server. >> >> * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same folder >> does *not* exist locally in MlMt. >> >> * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side. >> >> * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but *not* >> the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side. >> >> * The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated >> by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2). >> >> If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are: >> >> * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which >> folder did it land? >> >> * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto “Mailbox >> Type”, how is it mapped? >> >> >> On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote: >> >> >>> I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It >>> is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only >>> way it got there is via MailMate itself. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote: But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) > Ralph Alvy > is rumored to have said: > > > I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the > > raw message: > > > > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 > > X-Spam-known-sender: no > > X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) > > X-Spam-score: 7.2 > > X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, > > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, > > HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, > > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, > > URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION > > 3.4.2 > > That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider > put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is > significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but > the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one > issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates > that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the > Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL > to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does > happen. > > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
Okay. Here's what I see. I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk. I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk. I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days. But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in Junk, it's deleted in Spam. So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct? On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: > So to recap (please correct any errors): > > * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder does > *not* exist on the Fastmail server. > > * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same folder > does *not* exist locally in MlMt. > > * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side. > > * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but *not* the > *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side. > > * The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated by > SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2). > > If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are: > > * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which folder > did it land? > > * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto “Mailbox > Type”, how is it mapped? > > > On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote: > > >> I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It >> is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only >> way it got there is via MailMate itself. >> >> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote: >>> But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not >>> put it in that folder. >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: > I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the > raw message: > > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 > X-Spam-known-sender: no > X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) > X-Spam-score: 7.2 > X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, > HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, > URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION > 3.4.2 That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does happen. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> >> > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
So to recap (please correct any errors): * There is a folder locally in MlMt called **Junk**; this same folder does **not** exist on the Fastmail server. * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called **Spam**; this same folder does **not** exist locally in MlMt. * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side. * The message in question was moved to the local **Junk** folder but **not** the **Spam** folder on the Fastmail side. * The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2). If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are: * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which folder did it land? * If you right-click on the local **Junk** folder and then goto “Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped? - - - On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote: I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself. On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote: But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does happen. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
An IMAP server normally should have a junk mailbox. Whether it is called junk, spam, or else depends on the server. Have you checked in the sources the mailbox types for the source mailboxes? It is an item in the popup menu when you right-click on one of the folders in a source. You should have a mailbox for each of the special types set. You may want to first check your subscription to see whether by accident some mailboxes are not subscribed to. On 26 Jul 2021, at 17:00, Ralph Alvy wrote: I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself. On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote: But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does happen. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
On 2021-07-26 at 11:00:45 UTC-0400 (Mon, 26 Jul 2021 08:00:45 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself. There's no such thing as a local *real* folder created by MailMate, so that must be a "Smart Folder" whose contents are defined by some logical definition, drawing messages from some set of source folders that exist on the IMAP server. MailMate does include by default a "Junk" Smart Folder that includes all messages from whatever server-side folders you've labeled (or MM has labeled by default) as having a "Mailbox Type" of "Junk" across all accounts. If there's not a top-level folder named "Junk" on the server side, I expect that MM would see one named "Spam" as the right folder to include in the "Junk" Smart Folder. So my *revised* theory is that your Spam folder on the Fastmail server is set in MM as the Junk-type folder for that account, that they in fact did put the message in Spam, and you moved it elsewhere before noticing that it had been in Spam (which is down in the Sources section of the mailbox list where you might not see it.) On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote: But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does happen. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself. On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote: > But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not > put it in that folder. > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote: >> On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) >> Ralph Alvy >> is rumored to have said: >> >> > I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the >> > raw message: >> > >> > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 >> > X-Spam-known-sender: no >> > X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) >> > X-Spam-score: 7.2 >> > X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, >> > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, >> > HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, >> > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, >> > URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION >> > 3.4.2 >> >> That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider >> put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is >> significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but >> the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one >> issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates >> that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the >> Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL >> to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does >> happen. >> >> >> -- >> Bill Cole >> b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org >> (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) >> Not Currently Available For Hire >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) > Ralph Alvy > is rumored to have said: > > > I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the > > raw message: > > > > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 > > X-Spam-known-sender: no > > X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) > > X-Spam-score: 7.2 > > X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, > > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, > > HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, > > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, > > URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION > > 3.4.2 > > That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider > put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is > significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but > the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one > issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates > that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the > Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL > to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does > happen. > > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does happen. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
I'll let you know if that verbiage is there on the next one I find in the junk folder. Right now that folder is empty. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 6:58 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: > Ahhh - ok - at least that part is solved. So not sure if that might trigger a > move - I don’t think it would but it might - or there could be a bug. > > Can you find any Junk messages that do *not* have that same verbiage? > > > On 25 Jul 2021, at 18:54, Ralph Alvy wrote: > > >> Thanks, Antonio. Those spam lines are probably put there by the Fastmail >> server. >> >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: >>> OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in that you >>> can configure the spam score that will inform the image checking process. >>> >>> That said, I checked several of the messages in my Junk boxes and none of >>> them have that same header information. What you posted looks like server >>> side spam checking like SpamAssassin or similar… >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:19, Antonio Leding wrote: >>> >>> Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, that when image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. I could be mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some digging to see if I can find a reference about this… On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: > I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the > raw message: > > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 > X-Spam-known-sender: no > X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) > X-Spam-score: 7.2 > X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST > 0.001, > HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, > URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 > X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', > Country='US', > FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com' > X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8' > > I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if that's > relevant. I can't see how it is. See image; > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: >> Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on >> any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after >> disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does. >> >> That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any >> there? >> >> I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the >> only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no >> other mechanism exists… >> >> >> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: >> >> >>> I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't >>> seen and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it >>> happens before moving it out of the folder. >>> >>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: >>> >>> >>> Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly in effect? Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: > I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate > place email in its Junk folder occasionally? > > > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > >>> >>> ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> > > > > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> ___
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
Ahhh - ok - at least that part is solved. So not sure if that might trigger a move - I don’t think it would but it might - or there could be a bug. Can you find any Junk messages that do **not** have that same verbiage? - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 18:54, Ralph Alvy wrote: Thanks, Antonio. Those spam lines are probably put there by the Fastmail server. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in that you can configure the spam score that will inform the image checking process. That said, I checked several of the messages in my Junk boxes and none of them have that same header information. What you posted looks like server side spam checking like SpamAssassin or similar… On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:19, Antonio Leding wrote: Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, that when image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. I could be mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some digging to see if I can find a reference about this… On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', Country='US', FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com' X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8' I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if that's relevant. I can't see how it is. See image; On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does. That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any there? I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no other mechanism exists… On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens before moving it out of the folder. On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly in effect? Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
I may just uncheck that image checking box and see if that stops all this. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote: > Thanks, Antonio. Those spam lines are probably put there by the Fastmail > server. > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: >> OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in that you >> can configure the spam score that will inform the image checking process. >> >> That said, I checked several of the messages in my Junk boxes and none of >> them have that same header information. What you posted looks like server >> side spam checking like SpamAssassin or similar… >> >> >> On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:19, Antonio Leding wrote: >> >> >>> Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, that >>> when image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. I could be >>> mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some digging to see if I >>> can find a reference about this… >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: >>> >>> I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', Country='US', FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com' X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8' I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if that's relevant. I can't see how it is. See image; On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: > Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on > any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after > disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does. > > That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any > there? > > I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the > only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no > other mechanism exists… > > > On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: > > >> I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen >> and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens >> before moving it out of the folder. >> >> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: >> >> >> >>> Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules >>> possibly in effect? >>> >>> Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam >>> state >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: >>> >>> I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >> >> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> >> > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
Thanks, Antonio. Those spam lines are probably put there by the Fastmail server. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: > OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in that you > can configure the spam score that will inform the image checking process. > > That said, I checked several of the messages in my Junk boxes and none of > them have that same header information. What you posted looks like server > side spam checking like SpamAssassin or similar… > > > On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:19, Antonio Leding wrote: > > >> Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, that when >> image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. I could be >> mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some digging to see if I can >> find a reference about this… >> >> >> On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: >> >> >>> I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw >>> message: >>> >>> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 >>> X-Spam-known-sender: no >>> X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) >>> X-Spam-score: 7.2 >>> X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST >>> 0.001, >>> HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, >>> RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, >>> URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 >>> X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', >>> Country='US', >>> FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com' >>> X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8' >>> >>> I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if that's >>> relevant. I can't see how it is. See image; >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does. That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any there? I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no other mechanism exists… On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: > I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen > and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens > before moving it out of the folder. > > On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: > > > >> Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules >> possibly in effect? >> >> Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state >> >> >> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: >> >> >>> I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate >>> place email in its Junk folder occasionally? >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >> > > >> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> >> > > > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in that you can configure the spam score that will inform the image checking process. That said, I checked several of the messages in my Junk boxes and none of them have that same header information. What you posted looks like server side spam checking like SpamAssassin or similar… - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:19, Antonio Leding wrote: Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, that when image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. I could be mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some digging to see if I can find a reference about this… - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', Country='US', FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com' X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8' I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if that's relevant. I can't see how it is. See image; On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does. That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any there? I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no other mechanism exists… On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens before moving it out of the folder. On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly in effect? Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
Are you sure it isn’t server-side filtering? > On Jul 25, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote: > > > I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place > email in its Junk folder occasionally? > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, that when image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. I could be mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some digging to see if I can find a reference about this… - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', Country='US', FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com' X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8' I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if that's relevant. I can't see how it is. See image; On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does. That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any there? I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no other mechanism exists… On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens before moving it out of the folder. On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly in effect? Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message: X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none) X-Spam-score: 7.2 X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001, HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2 X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', Country='US', FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com' X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8' I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if that's relevant. I can't see how it is. See image; On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: > Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on any > message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after disabling > SpamSieve but I believe it does. > > That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any there? > > I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the only 2 > ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no other > mechanism exists… > > > On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: > > >> I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen and >> it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens before >> moving it out of the folder. >> >> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: >> >> >> >>> Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly >>> in effect? >>> >>> Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: >>> >>> I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >> >> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does. That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any there? I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no other mechanism exists… - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens before moving it out of the folder. On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly in effect? Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens before moving it out of the folder. On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote: Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly in effect? Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked
Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly in effect? Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
