Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
In article <2019082954.gd47...@symphytum.spacehopper.org> you write: >On 2019/01/11 10:07, Michael Peddemors wrote: >> For the record, we aren't speaking about 'Friendly Names', but the userpart >> of the addr-spec address >> >> But a pointer to an RFC where it is permitted, that I don't find.. > >RFC5322 and predecessors. These look like the bounce address in the MAIL FROM, so it's a reverse-path as defined in RFC 5321 section 4.1.2 which is the same as RFC 2821 section 4.1.2 other than formatting. If you follow through the BNF, the * is in the local-part of the mailbox, which is an Atom which consists of a string of atext, which is indeed imported from RFC 5322 which says in section 3.2.3 that "*" can appear in an atext. On the other hand, it also says that the maximum length of a local-part is 64 characters. Depending on the username and domain Mike's seeing, the local-part may well be longer than that. I have seen actual mail systems that choke on overlong local-parts, although there's little reason for them to do so. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
On 2019/01/11 10:07, Michael Peddemors wrote: > For the record, we aren't speaking about 'Friendly Names', but the userpart > of the addr-spec address > > But a pointer to an RFC where it is permitted, that I don't find.. RFC5322 and predecessors. Either dot-atom or quoted-string are permitted for the local part of the address. Characters allowed in dot-atom are listed in 3.2.3; many other characters including whitespace are allowed in quoted-string. > (And yes, Thanks Al it has been used in the wild as you pointed out for some > time now, wanted to know if it was 'permitted' by RFC anywhere now, as > seeing more recent list usage with it.. ) > > It's more a 'gotcha' that post delivery processing systems may not expect... That would be a good clue that they're likely to be doing other things wrong too. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
Once upon a time, Michael Peddemors said: > I don't know of this particular mailer, but can I get some feedback > to confirm that the '*' character is not a permitted character in an > email address? (user name portion) You can always use this handy-dandy regular expression to validate email addresses: http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html -- Chris Adams ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
For the record, we aren't speaking about 'Friendly Names', but the userpart of the addr-spec address But a pointer to an RFC where it is permitted, that I don't find.. (And yes, Thanks Al it has been used in the wild as you pointed out for some time now, wanted to know if it was 'permitted' by RFC anywhere now, as seeing more recent list usage with it.. ) It's more a 'gotcha' that post delivery processing systems may not expect... On 2019-01-11 9:56 a.m., David Carriger wrote: Michael had asked for feedback to confirm that an asterisk is not an allowed localpart character. It is an allowed localpart character. Hence why I stated he would be disappointed. *From:* mailop on behalf of Al Iverson *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2019 10:52:10 AM *To:* mailop *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats.. I'm definitely disappointed by the giant chunks of excess HTML links and previews added to your reply, for sure. But the page you linked to clearly says that the asterisk is allowed in the username portion, so nothing to be disappointed about there. Not sure if perhaps you misread it just now. Cheers, Al Iverson -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
Michael had asked for feedback to confirm that an asterisk is not an allowed localpart character. It is an allowed localpart character. Hence why I stated he would be disappointed. From: mailop on behalf of Al Iverson Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:52:10 AM To: mailop Subject: Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats.. I'm definitely disappointed by the giant chunks of excess HTML links and previews added to your reply, for sure. But the page you linked to clearly says that the asterisk is allowed in the username portion, so nothing to be disappointed about there. Not sure if perhaps you misread it just now. Cheers, Al Iverson On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:48 PM David Carriger mailto:david.carri...@infusionsoft.com>> wrote: I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Local-part Email address<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Local-part> en.wikipedia.org<http://en.wikipedia.org> An email address identifies an email box to which email messages are delivered. A wide variety of formats were used in early email systems, but only a... The RFC allows you to put a LOT in the localpart without any sort of fanfare, and you can do almost any stupid thing you want as long as you quote it. From: mailop mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> on behalf of Al Iverson mailto:aiver...@wombatmail.com>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:45 AM To: Michael Peddemors Cc: mailop Subject: Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats.. Return-path headers using VERP in this way, with asterisks in the username part like this, can be traced all the way back to LISTSERV in the 1990s. It's a long standing practice. If you block based on this, you'll block a few spammers or commercial mailers who used or use LISTSERV, or who rolled their own mailing list software in a way where they copied the VERP styling exactly, but you'll also probably block lots of academia and random non-spammy discussion lists. When I worked for Digital River approximately 150 years ago, we had an internal platform that had its own databases and UI for list management and campaign configuration, and then when you hit "send" an email template was built that was then handed off to the LISTSERV server which then did all the building of the messages. The Return-Path header for these messages was always of the format owner-nolist-x-y*username**domain*-suffix@sender. Regards, Al Iverson On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:36 PM Michael Peddemors mailto:mich...@linuxmagic.com>> wrote: > > owner-nolist-cp_enews-190110p-gqfjbpue*username**domain*-suf...@digital.annexbusinessmedia.com<mailto:suf...@digital.annexbusinessmedia.com> > > (Where 'username', 'domain','suffix' are placeholders) > > I don't know of this particular mailer, but can I get some feedback to > confirm that the '*' character is not a permitted character in an email > address? (user name portion) > > Or has there been a change to RFC's that I am not aware of? > > Grepping of logs, only shows a couple cases of it.. but wanted feedback > on this, as some as you can see are important legitimate senders.. > > owner-at-l*username**domain*-suf...@listserv.sde.ok.gov<mailto:suf...@listserv.sde.ok.gov> > owner-nolist-190110n-f3yuf778*username**domain*-suf...@prdlsv1nu.shaw.ca<mailto:suf...@prdlsv1nu.shaw.ca> > owner-abajournal_weekly_allnon*username**domain*-n...@mail.americanbar.org<mailto:n...@mail.americanbar.org>] > owner-news_release_e*username**domain*-c...@lserv.pmo-cpm.gc.ca<mailto:c...@lserv.pmo-cpm.gc.ca> > owner-nolist-tdw-20190110-cet*username**domain*-c...@listserv.td.com<mailto:c...@listserv.td.com> > > > > > > -- > "Catch the Magic of Linux..." > > Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. > Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic > A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca Wizard IT Services - Web Hosting, Network Solutions, Internet Services<http://www.wizard.ca/> www.wizard.ca<http://www.wizard.ca> Wizard IT provides support and services for the ISP, Telco and Enterprise markets. Specializing in Linux Development, Linux Solutions, and ISP Infrastructure, Wizard Tower TechnoServices is also the parent company for LinuxMagic and City Email, and provides mail server and anti-spam products, as well as hosted and outsourced solutions and custom development. > "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. > > 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada > > This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and inten
Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
https://www.jochentopf.com/email/chars.html -- Benjamin From: mailop On Behalf Of David Carriger Sent: vendredi 11 janvier 2019 18:49 To: Al Iverson ; Michael Peddemors Cc: mailop Subject: Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats.. I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Local-part Email address<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Local-part> en.wikipedia.org An email address identifies an email box to which email messages are delivered. A wide variety of formats were used in early email systems, but only a... The RFC allows you to put a LOT in the localpart without any sort of fanfare, and you can do almost any stupid thing you want as long as you quote it. From: mailop mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> on behalf of Al Iverson mailto:aiver...@wombatmail.com>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:45 AM To: Michael Peddemors Cc: mailop Subject: Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats.. Return-path headers using VERP in this way, with asterisks in the username part like this, can be traced all the way back to LISTSERV in the 1990s. It's a long standing practice. If you block based on this, you'll block a few spammers or commercial mailers who used or use LISTSERV, or who rolled their own mailing list software in a way where they copied the VERP styling exactly, but you'll also probably block lots of academia and random non-spammy discussion lists. When I worked for Digital River approximately 150 years ago, we had an internal platform that had its own databases and UI for list management and campaign configuration, and then when you hit "send" an email template was built that was then handed off to the LISTSERV server which then did all the building of the messages. The Return-Path header for these messages was always of the format owner-nolist-x-y*username**domain*-suffix@sender. Regards, Al Iverson On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:36 PM Michael Peddemors mailto:mich...@linuxmagic.com>> wrote: > > owner-nolist-cp_enews-190110p-gqfjbpue*username**domain*-suf...@digital.annexbusinessmedia.com<mailto:owner-nolist-cp_enews-190110p-gqfjbpue*username**domain*-suf...@digital.annexbusinessmedia.com> > > (Where 'username', 'domain','suffix' are placeholders) > > I don't know of this particular mailer, but can I get some feedback to > confirm that the '*' character is not a permitted character in an email > address? (user name portion) > > Or has there been a change to RFC's that I am not aware of? > > Grepping of logs, only shows a couple cases of it.. but wanted feedback > on this, as some as you can see are important legitimate senders.. > > owner-at-l*username**domain*-suf...@listserv.sde.ok.gov<mailto:owner-at-l*username**domain*-suf...@listserv.sde.ok.gov> > owner-nolist-190110n-f3yuf778*username**domain*-suf...@prdlsv1nu.shaw.ca<mailto:owner-nolist-190110n-f3yuf778*username**domain*-suf...@prdlsv1nu.shaw.ca> > owner-abajournal_weekly_allnon*username**domain*-n...@mail.americanbar.org<mailto:owner-abajournal_weekly_allnon*username**domain*-n...@mail.americanbar.org>] > owner-news_release_e*username**domain*-c...@lserv.pmo-cpm.gc.ca<mailto:owner-news_release_e*username**domain*-c...@lserv.pmo-cpm.gc.ca> > owner-nolist-tdw-20190110-cet*username**domain*-c...@listserv.td.com<mailto:owner-nolist-tdw-20190110-cet*username**domain*-c...@listserv.td.com> > > > > > > -- > "Catch the Magic of Linux..." > > Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. > Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic > A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca Wizard IT Services - Web Hosting, Network Solutions, Internet Services<http://www.wizard.ca/> www.wizard.ca<http://www.wizard.ca> Wizard IT provides support and services for the ISP, Telco and Enterprise markets. Specializing in Linux Development, Linux Solutions, and ISP Infrastructure, Wizard Tower TechnoServices is also the parent company for LinuxMagic and City Email, and provides mail server and anti-spam products, as well as hosted and outsourced solutions and custom development. > "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. > > 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada > > This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. > Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely > those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. > > ___ > mailop mailin
Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
I'm definitely disappointed by the giant chunks of excess HTML links and previews added to your reply, for sure. But the page you linked to clearly says that the asterisk is allowed in the username portion, so nothing to be disappointed about there. Not sure if perhaps you misread it just now. Cheers, Al Iverson On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:48 PM David Carriger < david.carri...@infusionsoft.com> wrote: > I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Local-part > Email address <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Local-part> > en.wikipedia.org > An email address identifies an email box to which email messages are > delivered. A wide variety of formats were used in early email systems, but > only a... > The RFC allows you to put a LOT in the localpart without any sort of > fanfare, and you can do almost any stupid thing you want as long as you > quote it. > > > > -- > *From:* mailop on behalf of Al Iverson < > aiver...@wombatmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2019 10:45 AM > *To:* Michael Peddemors > *Cc:* mailop > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats.. > > Return-path headers using VERP in this way, with asterisks in the > username part like this, can be traced all the way back to LISTSERV in > the 1990s. It's a long standing practice. If you block based on this, > you'll block a few spammers or commercial mailers who used or use > LISTSERV, or who rolled their own mailing list software in a way where > they copied the VERP styling exactly, but you'll also probably block > lots of academia and random non-spammy discussion lists. > > When I worked for Digital River approximately 150 years ago, we had an > internal platform that had its own databases and UI for list > management and campaign configuration, and then when you hit "send" an > email template was built that was then handed off to the LISTSERV > server which then did all the building of the messages. The > Return-Path header for these messages was always of the format > owner-nolist-x-y*username**domain*-suffix@sender. > > Regards, > Al Iverson > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:36 PM Michael Peddemors > wrote: > > > > owner-nolist-cp_enews-190110p-gqfjbpue*username**domain*- > suf...@digital.annexbusinessmedia.com > > > > (Where 'username', 'domain','suffix' are placeholders) > > > > I don't know of this particular mailer, but can I get some feedback to > > confirm that the '*' character is not a permitted character in an email > > address? (user name portion) > > > > Or has there been a change to RFC's that I am not aware of? > > > > Grepping of logs, only shows a couple cases of it.. but wanted feedback > > on this, as some as you can see are important legitimate senders.. > > > > owner-at-l*username**domain*-suf...@listserv.sde.ok.gov > > owner-nolist-190110n-f3yuf778*username**domain*-suf...@prdlsv1nu.shaw.ca > > owner-abajournal_weekly_allnon*username**domain*- > n...@mail.americanbar.org] > > owner-news_release_e*username**domain*-c...@lserv.pmo-cpm.gc.ca > > owner-nolist-tdw-20190110-cet*username**domain*-c...@listserv.td.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "Catch the Magic of Linux..." > > > > Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. > > Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic > > A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca > Wizard IT Services - Web Hosting, Network Solutions, Internet Services > <http://www.wizard.ca/> > www.wizard.ca > Wizard IT provides support and services for the ISP, Telco and Enterprise > markets. Specializing in Linux Development, Linux Solutions, and ISP > Infrastructure, Wizard Tower TechnoServices is also the parent company for > LinuxMagic and City Email, and provides mail server and anti-spam products, > as well as hosted and outsourced solutions and custom development. > > > > "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. > > > > 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada > > > > This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and > intended > > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are > addressed. > > Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely > > those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the > company. > > > > ___
Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Local-part Email address<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Local-part> en.wikipedia.org An email address identifies an email box to which email messages are delivered. A wide variety of formats were used in early email systems, but only a... The RFC allows you to put a LOT in the localpart without any sort of fanfare, and you can do almost any stupid thing you want as long as you quote it. From: mailop on behalf of Al Iverson Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:45 AM To: Michael Peddemors Cc: mailop Subject: Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats.. Return-path headers using VERP in this way, with asterisks in the username part like this, can be traced all the way back to LISTSERV in the 1990s. It's a long standing practice. If you block based on this, you'll block a few spammers or commercial mailers who used or use LISTSERV, or who rolled their own mailing list software in a way where they copied the VERP styling exactly, but you'll also probably block lots of academia and random non-spammy discussion lists. When I worked for Digital River approximately 150 years ago, we had an internal platform that had its own databases and UI for list management and campaign configuration, and then when you hit "send" an email template was built that was then handed off to the LISTSERV server which then did all the building of the messages. The Return-Path header for these messages was always of the format owner-nolist-x-y*username**domain*-suffix@sender. Regards, Al Iverson On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:36 PM Michael Peddemors wrote: > > owner-nolist-cp_enews-190110p-gqfjbpue*username**domain*-suf...@digital.annexbusinessmedia.com > > (Where 'username', 'domain','suffix' are placeholders) > > I don't know of this particular mailer, but can I get some feedback to > confirm that the '*' character is not a permitted character in an email > address? (user name portion) > > Or has there been a change to RFC's that I am not aware of? > > Grepping of logs, only shows a couple cases of it.. but wanted feedback > on this, as some as you can see are important legitimate senders.. > > owner-at-l*username**domain*-suf...@listserv.sde.ok.gov > owner-nolist-190110n-f3yuf778*username**domain*-suf...@prdlsv1nu.shaw.ca > owner-abajournal_weekly_allnon*username**domain*-n...@mail.americanbar.org] > owner-news_release_e*username**domain*-c...@lserv.pmo-cpm.gc.ca > owner-nolist-tdw-20190110-cet*username**domain*-c...@listserv.td.com > > > > > > -- > "Catch the Magic of Linux..." > > Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. > Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic > A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca Wizard IT Services - Web Hosting, Network Solutions, Internet Services<http://www.wizard.ca/> www.wizard.ca Wizard IT provides support and services for the ISP, Telco and Enterprise markets. Specializing in Linux Development, Linux Solutions, and ISP Infrastructure, Wizard Tower TechnoServices is also the parent company for LinuxMagic and City Email, and provides mail server and anti-spam products, as well as hosted and outsourced solutions and custom development. > "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. > > 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada > > This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. > Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely > those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop -- al iverson // wombatmail // miami http://www.aliverson.com http://www.spamresource.com Al Iverson’s Spam Resource<http://www.spamresource.com/> www.spamresource.com EMAIL, SPAM PREVENTION & DELIVERABILITY • SINCE 2001 ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
Return-path headers using VERP in this way, with asterisks in the username part like this, can be traced all the way back to LISTSERV in the 1990s. It's a long standing practice. If you block based on this, you'll block a few spammers or commercial mailers who used or use LISTSERV, or who rolled their own mailing list software in a way where they copied the VERP styling exactly, but you'll also probably block lots of academia and random non-spammy discussion lists. When I worked for Digital River approximately 150 years ago, we had an internal platform that had its own databases and UI for list management and campaign configuration, and then when you hit "send" an email template was built that was then handed off to the LISTSERV server which then did all the building of the messages. The Return-Path header for these messages was always of the format owner-nolist-x-y*username**domain*-suffix@sender. Regards, Al Iverson On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:36 PM Michael Peddemors wrote: > > owner-nolist-cp_enews-190110p-gqfjbpue*username**domain*-suf...@digital.annexbusinessmedia.com > > (Where 'username', 'domain','suffix' are placeholders) > > I don't know of this particular mailer, but can I get some feedback to > confirm that the '*' character is not a permitted character in an email > address? (user name portion) > > Or has there been a change to RFC's that I am not aware of? > > Grepping of logs, only shows a couple cases of it.. but wanted feedback > on this, as some as you can see are important legitimate senders.. > > owner-at-l*username**domain*-suf...@listserv.sde.ok.gov > owner-nolist-190110n-f3yuf778*username**domain*-suf...@prdlsv1nu.shaw.ca > owner-abajournal_weekly_allnon*username**domain*-n...@mail.americanbar.org] > owner-news_release_e*username**domain*-c...@lserv.pmo-cpm.gc.ca > owner-nolist-tdw-20190110-cet*username**domain*-c...@listserv.td.com > > > > > > -- > "Catch the Magic of Linux..." > > Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. > Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic > A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca > "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. > > 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada > > This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. > Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely > those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop -- al iverson // wombatmail // miami http://www.aliverson.com http://www.spamresource.com ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] Mailing List Address Formats..
owner-nolist-cp_enews-190110p-gqfjbpue*username**domain*-suf...@digital.annexbusinessmedia.com (Where 'username', 'domain','suffix' are placeholders) I don't know of this particular mailer, but can I get some feedback to confirm that the '*' character is not a permitted character in an email address? (user name portion) Or has there been a change to RFC's that I am not aware of? Grepping of logs, only shows a couple cases of it.. but wanted feedback on this, as some as you can see are important legitimate senders.. owner-at-l*username**domain*-suf...@listserv.sde.ok.gov owner-nolist-190110n-f3yuf778*username**domain*-suf...@prdlsv1nu.shaw.ca owner-abajournal_weekly_allnon*username**domain*-n...@mail.americanbar.org] owner-news_release_e*username**domain*-c...@lserv.pmo-cpm.gc.ca owner-nolist-tdw-20190110-cet*username**domain*-c...@listserv.td.com -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca "LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
