Re: [mailop] Erroneous Hotmail spam/junk JMR email due to recipient error, where's the operator feedback loop?
Dnia 8.10.2019 o godz. 14:05:20 Brandon Long via mailop pisze: > At one point when I was complaining about the Gmail UI for that, I did a > survey, and several competing products used the exact opposite > iconography for spam/trask, > just leading to more user confusion... and us making sure to use something > very different for report spam. No idea if it helped or not for our > reports, people still use report spam as "I don't want to receive this any > more". I wonder if this couldn't be something what accidentally happened to me. Someone could "delete" all their email - including my messages - by moving it into spam folder (and I know that among the people who I corresponded with there are at least two people who recently changed email addresses and moved off of Gmail, so it is possible they deleted all email before deleting the account) and that's why Google started suddenly classifying my emails as spam. Is there any way for the sender to protect against such users' behaviour, ie. being inadvertently classified as spam? BTW. did you receive my email with the test messages I sent to Google? -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam
In article <20191008101859.ga12...@rafa.eu.org> you write: >Dnia 8.10.2019 o godz. 13:42:32 Matt Palmer via mailop pisze: >> >> The other commonality is that AWS EC2 is at least as much of a pit of spam >> and abuse as OVH is, and I'm not surprised that you don't get treated better >> by GMail when you start sending them mail from a rando EC2 address. > >As I recall and reconsider some facts, I start to be more and more >convinced that in my case it's an issue of a domain reputation, not IP >reputation. Oh, it's eu.org. Of course that's a problem. When you use free stuff. you will find it's often worth only what you paid for it. If you're not willing to pay 10€ for a real domain name, why should anyone put any effort into accepting your mail? For anyone who was going to mention the free TLDS like .tk, you don't want to go there. For one thing their mail reputation is beneath horrible. For another, the way they stay usable at all is by giving a API keys to a large group of trusted notifiers so they can instantly kill names that misbehave. If they kill a few by mistake, too bad, here's a refund of the $0.00 you paid. R's, John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam
Dnia 9.10.2019 o godz. 13:23:16 John Levine via mailop pisze: > If you're not willing to pay 10€ for a real domain name, why should anyone > put any effort into accepting your mail? Just because you should by default accept mail from everyone *unless* the sender proved to be nasty/harmful/mailicious etc.? Otherwise you are breaking the very purpose of e-mail. > Oh, it's eu.org. Of course that's a problem. When you use free > stuff. you will find it's often worth only what you paid for it. Well, Gmail is basically "free stuff" as well. Yahoo is "free stuff". In my country, Onet, WP and Interia are big free e-mail providers as well. Should nobody accept mail from them just because they are free? Ah yes, I understand. They are big, and I am small. Big one is allowed more than a small one. Back to the jungle, eh...? -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam
> Just because you should by default accept mail from everyone > *unless* the sender proved to be nasty/harmful/mailicious etc.? what if the look quite plausibly harmful? > Otherwise you are breaking the very purpose of e-mail. surely the purpose depends on the user? different people will have different expectations and ideas > Well, Gmail is basically "free stuff" as well. Yahoo is "free > stuff". In my country, Onet, WP and Interia are big free e-mail > providers as well. Should nobody accept mail from them just because > they are free? gmail is not free ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam
Just because you should by default accept mail from everyone *unless* the sender proved to be nasty/harmful/mailicious etc.? what if the look quite plausibly harmful? Right. I didn't get the message you were responding to, so I looked in the logs and see the IP is in the middle of a block at OVH that gushes spam so it went straight to the spam trap. The logs say that it's the only message of the last several hundred from that block that arguably wasn't spam, so that's a pretty low error rate. Well, Gmail is basically "free stuff" as well. Yahoo is "free stuff". In my country, Onet, WP and Interia are big free e-mail providers as well. Should nobody accept mail from them just because they are free? They manage to keep the ratio of good mail to junk acceptable. As others have pointed out, whether they're "free" is open to debate. Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
