[MapHist] Query: Arno Peters controversy
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear list, I am going to prepare a research project on the Peters projection controversy. Probably many of you know the story: In 1973 German historian Arno Peters (1916-2002) went to public with his world map projection, that have led for three decades to an intensive controversy on map qualities and on social impact to cartographic self-conception. Though vehement rejection by the cartographic scene his map became something like a “track record”. You find it on the cover of Willy Brandt’s North-South commission report in 1980, in Germany it caused a public debate on maps in TV news (in the End-1970s), the map has been propagated by Christian development organizations like Christian Aid and Oxfam (in Germany it is still distributed by the Evangelical Mission Agency), it has been published by the National Council of Churches (US), and it was distributed by UN organisations UNICEF and UNCTAD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall-Peters_projection) Now I am looking for academic, political, and public statements on the projection, on Peters, and on the Peters controversy. Beside German cartography I am familiar with the Anglo-American academic discussion (e.g. A. Robinson, M. Monmonier, J. Crampton, P. Vujakovic, J.P. Snyder). Due to the Anglo-American/West-European focus of databases like JSTOR it is quite hard to get into discussions of the Spanish speaking world or the former colonized countries in Africa and Asia. Especially for a historian is it yet complicated to identify the major cartographic/geographic journals in these regions. In particular I am interested in any reference to the Peters map * made by political organizations, initiatives and so on, * made/published in Central and Latin American journals, * made in journals or by organizations of the former colonized countries in Africa and Asia, * potential discussion in Eastern Europe. However, any advice is very welcome. If you are interested in a newly published paper on Peters (History Compass, July 2010, DOI: 10./j.1478-0542.2010.00693.x) contact me. You can email me directly. Later I will give an overview to the list. Best regards, Stefan Müller University of Duisburg-Essen (Germany) Department of History stefan.mueller@uni-due.de ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Query:Gall-Peters projection
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + It would be nice if James Gall got some of the credit (following from Wikipedia): The Gall–Peters projection, named after _James Gall_ (/wiki/James_Gall) and _Arno Peters_ (/wiki/Arno_Peters) , is one specialization of a configurable equal-area _map projection_ (/wiki/Map_projection) known as the equal-area cylindric or _cylindrical equal-area_ (/wiki/Cylindrical_equal-area_projection) projection. The Gall–Peters achieved considerable notoriety in the late 20th century as the centerpiece of a controversy surrounding the political implications of map design. Maps based on the projection continue to see use in some circles and are readily available, though few major map publishers produce them. This email has been sent to you by: Kit Batten Auerhahnweg 7 70499 Stuttgart Germany kitthe...@aol.com 0049-711-865524 If you are not the intended recipient of this email, I apologise for my error and for any inconvenience caused. Could you please delete it and any attachment from your computer. A short message to the above email address with a subject line only with text - Incorrect Email Address - would be much appreciated. ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] Dr. A. Petermann's Mitteilungen... maps
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + A thorough digital archives of the Petermann's maps would be a fabulous resource. I think at present there are only scattered sub-sets here and there. In addition to Jan Smits' carto-bibliography, see also: Demhardt, Dr. Imre J., 2006. Der Erde ein Gesicht geben. Petermanns Geographische Mitteilungen und die Entstehung der modernen Geographie in Deutschland (Giving Earth a Face. Petermann's Geographical Journal and the Emergence of Modern Geography in Germany).Gotha: Universität Erfurt. -- _ _ (o) (o) oOOO(_)OOOo--- John Cloud Geographer/Writer/Editor NOAA Central Library 1315 East-West Highway SSMC-3, 2nd Floor, E/OC4 Silver Spring, MD 20910 301-713-2607, ext. 126 john.cl...@noaa.gov aussi: Chez Cloud Urbanique 1915 Kalorama Rd. NW Apt. 603 Washington, DC 20009 202-277-4931 ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
RE: [MapHist] Query: Arno Peters controversy
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear Stefan Have a look at my father's reaction (from University of Leuven, Belgium) to the Peters projection: - Depuydt, Frans (1982), The equivalent quintuple projection: Paper presented at the 11th International Cartographic Conference, Warsaw, 4 p. - Depuydt, Frans (1983), The equivalent quintuple projection: International Yearbook of Cartography, v. 23, p. 63-74. [Equal-area map of world in five contiguous sections adapted from Bonne and Sinusoidal projections.] Best regards Joost Joost Depuydt | consulent wetenschappelijk werk Stad Antwerpen | FelixArchief Oudeleeuwenrui 29 | 2000 Antwerpen tel + 32 3 338 94 59 | fax +32 3 338 94 10 stadsarch...@stad.antwerpen.be mailto:stadasarch...@stad.antwerpen.be | joost.depu...@stad.antwerpen.be www.antwerpen.be https://webmail.antwerpen.be/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.antwerpen.be/ | www.felixarchief.be https://webmail.antwerpen.be/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.felixarchief.be/ www.facebook.com/felixarchief https://webmail.antwerpen.be/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.facebook.com/felixarchief www.geschiedenisvanantwerpen.be https://webmail.antwerpen.be/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.geschiedenisvanantwerpen.be/ 't Stad is van iedereen. ***Disclaimer*** Dit e-mailbestand, met inbegrip van zijn eventuele bijlagen, is een officieel document van de Stad Antwerpen. Het kan vertrouwelijke of persoonlijke informatie bevatten. Als u deze boodschap per vergissing hebt ontvangen, verzoeken wij u om de afzender daarvan onmiddellijk per e-mail of telefoon op de hoogte te stellen en ze vervolgens van uw computer te verwijderen zonder de inhoud ervan eerst te lezen, te vermenigvuldigen, te verspreiden of op andere wijze openbaar te maken aan derden. De Stad Antwerpen kan op geen enkele manier aansprakelijk worden gesteld voor mogelijke fouten of onnauwkeurigheden in dit bericht, noch voor verlies, ongemak of directe dan wel indirecte schade geleden ten gevolge van het gebruik van in deze e-mail voorkomende incorrecte informatie Van: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl namens Stefan Müller Verzonden: vr 22/10/2010 9:18 Aan: Discussion group for map history Onderwerp: [MapHist] Query: Arno Peters controversy This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear list, I am going to prepare a research project on the Peters projection controversy. Probably many of you know the story: In 1973 German historian Arno Peters (1916-2002) went to public with his world map projection, that have led for three decades to an intensive controversy on map qualities and on social impact to cartographic self-conception. Though vehement rejection by the cartographic scene his map became something like a track record. You find it on the cover of Willy Brandt's North-South commission report in 1980, in Germany it caused a public debate on maps in TV news (in the End-1970s), the map has been propagated by Christian development organizations like Christian Aid and Oxfam (in Germany it is still distributed by the Evangelical Mission Agency), it has been published by the National Council of Churches (US), and it was distributed by UN organisations UNICEF and UNCTAD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall-Peters_projection) Now I am looking for academic, political, and public statements on the projection, on Peters, and on the Peters controversy. Beside German cartography I am familiar with the Anglo-American academic discussion (e.g. A. Robinson, M. Monmonier, J. Crampton, P. Vujakovic, J.P. Snyder). Due to the Anglo-American/West-European focus of databases like JSTOR it is quite hard to get into discussions of the Spanish speaking world or the former colonized countries in Africa and Asia. Especially for a historian is it yet complicated to identify the major cartographic/geographic journals in these regions. In particular I am interested in any reference to the Peters map * made by political organizations, initiatives and so on, * made/published in Central and Latin American journals, * made in journals or by organizations of the former colonized countries in Africa and Asia, * potential discussion in Eastern Europe. However, any advice is very welcome. If you are interested in a newly published paper on Peters (History Compass, July 2010, DOI: 10./j.1478-0542.2010.00693.x) contact me. You can email me directly. Later I will give an overview to the list. Best regards, Stefan Müller University of Duisburg-Essen (Germany) Department of History stefan.mueller@uni-due.de ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the
[MapHist] John Melish's Map of Indiana
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Hello, I am looking for information regarding the erroneous placement of Lake Michigan in some of John Melish's early maps showing Indiana. Indiana was the first of his short lived individual maps of the states, done in 1817. This 1817 map shows Lake Michigan in the middle of the northern boundary of the state. He improved the map in 1819 and places Lake Michigan in the correct north-western corner of the state. Both of these maps show that the surveys were furnished by Burr Bradley, perhaps the error was his? I cannot find any literature about this correction and what led to him misplacing the lake in his earlier map. Does anyone know of an article that discusses this? If not I am also curious to hear your theories. The 1817 Map of Indiana was not the first or only time he had made this mistake. I also have an 1813 Melish map of the U.S., found in the front of his 1815 Traveller's Directory, which shows Lake Michigan dipping into Indiana right down the middle of the state. Thank you in advance Monique *** Monique Howell Librarian - Indiana Collection Indiana State Library mohow...@library.in.gov ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Dr. A. Petermann's Mitteilungen... maps
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + A study in German was published in the PGM in 1978 : Stams, Werner: Die Kartographie in den ersten 30 Jahrgängen von ‘Petermanns Geographischen Mitteilungen’. In: Petermanns Geographische Mitteilungen, Vol. 122 (1978), pages 185-202, 271-284. It mentioned another index, older, by R. Bliss Classified index to the maps in Petermann's Geographische Mittheilungen, 1855-1881, Bulletin of Harvard University, no. 22-27, 1882-1884. A list comprising 1340 titles followed by a reference list of (a) personal names and (b) expeditions and surveys. Many lists (JB Harley would have ironized about that), but no scans. G. John Cloud john.cl...@noaa.gov a écrit : This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + A thorough digital archives of the Petermann's maps would be a fabulous resource. I think at present there are only scattered sub-sets here and there. In addition to Jan Smits' carto-bibliography, see also: Demhardt, Dr. Imre J., 2006. Der Erde ein Gesicht geben. Petermanns Geographische Mitteilungen und die Entstehung der modernen Geographie in Deutschland (Giving Earth a Face. Petermann's Geographical Journal and the Emergence of Modern Geography in Germany).Gotha: Universität Erfurt. -- _ _ (o) (o) oOOO(_)OOOo--- John Cloud Geographer/Writer/Editor NOAA Central Library 1315 East-West Highway SSMC-3, 2nd Floor, E/OC4 Silver Spring, MD 20910 301-713-2607, ext. 126 john.cl...@noaa.gov aussi: Chez Cloud Urbanique 1915 Kalorama Rd. NW Apt. 603 Washington, DC 20009 202-277-4931 ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist -- Ce message a ete verifie par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a ete trouve. -- Gilles Palsky Professeur, universite de Paris 1 Institut de Geographie 191 rue Saint-Jacques 75005 Paris -- Ce message a ete verifie par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a ete trouve. ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Query: Arno Peters controversy
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear all, I took some while before replying to the message of Stefan, as it is important to get quiet and count up to ten thousand before enter into the debate of the so called Arno Peters Projection. Any learned person (learned in the field of geographical projection, I mean, here and onward!) is irritated and offended by the success of that projection, for at least two reason. First, it is not an invention of Mr. Arno Peters but it is only a variant of a rectangular (or cylindrical) equivalent (or equal area) projection. Any of us may invent one projection of that kind just modifying the dimension of the degree of longitude. We may decide that equator has its proper length (unless the scale) and than the distance between the parallels is computed in order to have the rectangles formed by parallels and meridians equivalent (in dimension, I mean, unless the scale) to the spherical surface limited by the same meridians and parallels. Peters decide to choose, as I well remember, 45° of latitude. Secondly, there are an infinity of equivalent (equal area) projections. The sinusoidal is one of them, but it is almost useless to name all of them. Thus we really didn't need to wait for Arno Peter's to discover an equal area projection! The fight against the Mercators projection is an invention by Peters. No learned person may imagine that Greenland if wider in extension than Africa, as any learned person knows the distortion any projection produces in the image of the earth, and any learned person knows that we use a peculiar projection in function of our, or requested, needs: projection useful for sailing purposes (Mercator or ay conformal projection), for air navigation (gnomonic or any other which transforms great circle in straight lines), for cadastral purposes (modified Cassini, or Bonne or any equal area projections) and so on at the infinity! Peters used the great scientific ignorance in the field of cartographical projections and used the complex of the colonial powers and white people (generally speaking) for what they did in exploiting the actual third world, to impose a projection that would give, at last according to him, the due importance and dimension at the third world areas, ranging between the tropics. His claim of England as big as Madagascar or Greenland wider than Africa, are absolutely stupid arguments, valid only within a not learned community. The problem of Peters' projection is grounded much more in the social psychology (it is a Psychoanalytic problem) than in the field of science. How is it possible that a charlatan (from Oxford Dictionary: a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill) reached so great reputation only due to general human ignorance? That's the true question, no more! And I live in a country where ignorance has led us to the actual Prime Minister and I (and a great deal of italians) know exactly on my/our skin what ignorance may mean and where may lead! We need a psychologist not a scientist to study the matter posed by Stefan. I do hope to have express clearly my point of view. vladimiro Il giorno 22/ott/2010, alle ore 09.18, Stefan Müller ha scritto: This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear list, I am going to prepare a research project on the Peters projection controversy. Probably many of you know the story: In 1973 German historian Arno Peters (1916-2002) went to public with his world map projection, that have led for three decades to an intensive controversy on map qualities and on social impact to cartographic self-conception. Though vehement rejection by the cartographic scene his map became something like a “track record”. You find it on the cover of Willy Brandt’s North-South commission report in 1980, in Germany it caused a public debate on maps in TV news (in the End-1970s), the map has been propagated by Christian development organizations like Christian Aid and Oxfam (in Germany it is still distributed by the Evangelical Mission Agency), it has been published by the National Council of Churches (US), and it was distributed by UN organisations UNICEF and UNCTAD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall-Peters_projection) Now I am looking for academic, political, and public statements on the projection, on Peters, and on the Peters controversy. Beside German cartography I am familiar with the Anglo-American academic discussion (e.g. A. Robinson, M. Monmonier, J. Crampton, P. Vujakovic, J.P. Snyder). Due to the Anglo-American/West-European focus of databases like JSTOR it is quite hard to get into discussions of the Spanish speaking world or the former colonized
[MapHist] RE: John Melish's Map of Indiana
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Ms. Howell: As you indicated in your question, several of Melish's Map of the United States of America... show Lake Michigan in the center portion of Indiana. For those who do not have ready access one of Melish's US maps see the following: 1) Map of the United States of America : with the contiguous British and Spanish possessions / compiled from the latest best authorities by John Melish ; engraved by J. Vallance H.S. Tanner. Philadelphia : J. Melish, c1816. http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g3700.ct000820 2) Map of the United States of America : with the contiguous British and Spanish possessions / compiled from the latest best authorities by John Melish. Philadelphia : J. Melish, [1816] http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g3700.ct000675 In 1972 the Library of Congress published Ala Carte: Selected Papers on Maps and Atlases which contained an article by Walter Ristow entitled John Melish and His Map of the United States which identifies the various states/editions of Melish's US map published between 1816 and 1823. The article is largely based on the work of Col. Lawrence Martin and includes a table identifying place name, physical feature, and state /territory border changes on the unique map - including land grants in Indiana that may have affected the border. While the article does not exclusively address the placement of Lake Michigan it does document the vast amount of changes to Melish's Map of the United States.. and I will be happy to send you a copy for your files. Ed Redmond Geography Map Reference Specialist Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540 - 4650 e...@loc.gov 202-707-8548 -Original Message- From: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Howell, Monique Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:42 PM To: maphist@geo.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] John Melish's Map of Indiana This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] John Melish's Map of Indiana
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + This isn't a direct answer, and I'm not sure where Melish got his information, but that erroneous configuration for Lake Michigan also appeared in Arrowsmith's 1819 map of the United States: http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~200355~3000292:A-Map-Of-The-United-States-of-North?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No. The notes speculate that Bradley's postal map of the U.S. might have been a source: http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~224~20038:Map-of-the-United-States,-Exhibitin. That particular 1816 issue of the map also shows the erroneous position of Lake Michigan, as does the 1812 version: http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~224~20038:Map-of-the-United-States,-Exhibitin. I would assume Melish had access to some similar sources. The 1804 version of Bradley's map also shows similar features (see article by Caldwell and Buehler in the spring 2010 issue, no. 77, of _The Portolan_. Joel Kovarsky On 10/22/2010 2:41 PM, Howell, Monique wrote: This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Hello, I am looking for information regarding the erroneous placement of Lake Michigan in some of John Melish's early maps showing Indiana. Indiana was the first of his short lived individual maps of the states, done in 1817. This 1817 map shows Lake Michigan in the middle of the northern boundary of the state. He improved the map in 1819 and places Lake Michigan in the correct north-western corner of the state. Both of these maps show that the surveys were furnished by Burr Bradley, perhaps the error was his? I cannot find any literature about this correction and what led to him misplacing the lake in his earlier map. Does anyone know of an article that discusses this? If not I am also curious to hear your theories. The 1817 Map of Indiana was not the first or only time he had made this mistake. I also have an 1813 Melish map of the U.S., found in the front of his 1815 /Traveller's Directory, / which shows Lake Michigan dipping into Indiana right down the middle of the state. Thank you in advance Monique *** Monique Howell Librarian - Indiana Collection Indiana State Library mohow...@library.in.gov ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3212 - Release Date: 10/22/10 02:34:00 -- Joel Kovarsky The Prime Meridian 1839 Clay Dr., Crozet, VA 22932 USA Phone: 434-823-5696 Email: t...@theprimemeridian.com Website: http://www.theprimemeridian.com ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
