Re: [MapHist] "big [terrestrial] globe made of glass/crystal", or Portuguese scholarship...
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + MapHist is not a venue for such messages. "as1510183" has lost the privilege to send messages to the list without moderating. All future messages by him/her have to be authorised by me before distribution to MapHist subscribers. (Some people call this censoring, ... yes, it is. Not all messages are appropriate for the list). Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] "big [terrestrial] globe made of glass/crystal", or Portuguese scholarship...
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + I had no idea that MapHist was an appropriate venue for personal mockery of the most juvenile sort. Ricardo Padron Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:05 AM, as1510183 wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > This scholar Angelo Cattaneo is wonderful, and he is famous in Maphist for > his intelligent questions (since the first ones that he made, the first time > that he had an intervention, many years ago...). > > The Portuguese (with their lots of public money...) invented him... gave him > his PhD... and paid him (for so many years now...) to have him shown as a > substitute of the Portuguese historian of Cartography, the author of the > "Addenda" to "Portvgaliae Monvmenta Cartographica" against whom they are > doing what they are doing, in his own country, for so many years now...), but > until today -- for so many years now...! -- this excellent scholar, this true > expert of Portuguese things, this Italian Mr. Angelo Cattaneo, is not yet > able to understand the meaning of the most obvious things in Portuguese > language... > > Now he does not understand (and he asks Maphist for...) the meaning of the > Portuguese expression "mapamundo em vidro grande" referring to the map that > the Jesuits were sending in 1554 to the Japanese daimyo of Bungo (Oita)... He > thinks that it was a map MADE OF glass... > > Very funny... Portuguese (Italian) scholarship... > > > At 2011/11/24, 11:22, Angelo Cattaneo wrote: > >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the >> whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> While looking at a Portuguese1554 inventory listing objects to be dispatched >> to Japan from Goa, I found a reference to a "mapamundo em vidro grande" . >> >> It is not simple to translate this reference. It could be "a big >> [terrestrial] globe made of glass [crystal]". >> Of course, it is possible to provide other interpretations. >> >> I do not know of any other reference to these kind of objects, apart from >> the famous crystal [celestial] sphere made by Mercator for Charles V (the >> terrestrial one was made of wood). >> >> Does anybody know any such reference? Is there any such "big [terrestrial] >> globe made of glass / crystal" or "big [terrestrial] map made of glass / >> crystal" extant in either public or private collections? >> >> Thanks and my best, >> Angelo Cattaneo >> ___ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.nl >> >> Maphist mailing list >> Maphist@geo.uu.nl >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > ___ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > Maphist@geo.uu.nl > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] "big [terrestrial] globe made of glass/crystal", or Portuguese scholarship...
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear Mr. (Mrs.?) "as1510183", it is a matter of politeness to sign message and it is matter of competence to give sound reply to questions posed by Maphists. You may clearly explain to the whole list If and where Dr. Angelo Cattaneo failed. We all are here to learn more and to use the other's competence to improve our understanding on maps. I am very eager to read a serious reply of yours on the question posed by Dr. Cattaneo, even with a lough but . . . please, express your point of view in such a way as to allow easy and accurate interpretation to all of us. vladimiro Il giorno 24/nov/2011, alle ore 15.38, as1510183 ha scritto: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > This scholar Angelo Cattaneo is wonderful, and he is famous in Maphist for > his intelligent questions (since the first ones that he made, the first time > that he had an intervention, many years ago...). > > The Portuguese (with their lots of public money...) invented him... gave him > his PhD... and paid him (for so many years now...) to have him shown as a > substitute of the Portuguese historian of Cartography, Alfredo Pinheiro > Marques (against whom the censorship continues... silenced and persecuted in > his own country, for so many years now...), but until today -- for so many > years now...! -- this excellent scholar, this true expert of Portuguese > things, this Italian Mr. Angelo Cattaneo, is not yet able to understand the > meaning of the most obvious things in Portuguese language... > > Now he does not understand (and he asks Maphist for...) the meaning of the > Portuguese expression "mapamundo em vidro grande" referring to the map that > the Jesuits were sending in 1554 to the Japanese daimyo of Bungo (Oita)... He > thinks that it was a map MADE OF glass... > > Very funny... Portuguese (Italian) scholarship... > > > At 2011/11/24, 11:22, Angelo Cattaneo wrote: > >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the >> whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> While looking at a Portuguese1554 inventory listing objects to be dispatched >> to Japan from Goa, I found a reference to a "mapamundo em vidro grande" . >> >> It is not simple to translate this reference. It could be "a big >> [terrestrial] globe made of glass [crystal]". >> Of course, it is possible to provide other interpretations. >> >> I do not know of any other reference to these kind of objects, apart from >> the famous crystal [celestial] sphere made by Mercator for Charles V (the >> terrestrial one was made of wood). >> >> Does anybody know any such reference? Is there any such "big [terrestrial] >> globe made of glass / crystal" or "big [terrestrial] map made of glass / >> crystal" extant in either public or private collections? >> >> Thanks and my best, >> Angelo Cattaneo >> ___ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.nl >> >> Maphist mailing list >> Maphist@geo.uu.nl >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > ___ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > Maphist@geo.uu.nl > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] "big [terrestrial] globe made of glass/crystal", or Portuguese scholarship...
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear list members, I really would like NOT to read again a message like this one. As I do know both the author, Mr. Pinheiro Marques, who forgot to add his signature to the message, and Dr. Cattaneo, and the message is erroneous, it is better to clarify that: a) Dr. Cattaneo got his PhD in the European Institute in Florence, Italy, and a book based on the thesis was just published by Brepols (col. Terrarum Orbis). b) it is my surprise to understand that we, in Portugal, have such a thing as "the Portuguese historian of Cartography"... I thought we have several ones, for instance the contributors for the III (and IV) volume(s) of Harley-Woodard's History of Cartography. Francisco C. Domingues Ass. Professor, Dep. of History, Univ. of Lisbon Professor of post-graduation courses on History of Cartography and Nautical Science, among other subjects On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:38 PM, as1510183 wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > This scholar Angelo Cattaneo is wonderful, and he is famous in Maphist for > his intelligent questions (since the first ones that he made, the first time > that he had an intervention, many years ago...). > > The Portuguese (with their lots of public money...) invented him... gave him > his PhD... and paid him (for so many years now...) to have him shown as a > substitute of the Portuguese historian of Cartography, Alfredo Pinheiro > Marques (against whom the censorship continues... silenced and persecuted in > his own country, for so many years now...), but until today -- for so many > years now...! -- this excellent scholar, this true expert of Portuguese > things, this Italian Mr. Angelo Cattaneo, is not yet able to understand the > meaning of the most obvious things in Portuguese language... > > Now he does not understand (and he asks Maphist for...) the meaning of the > Portuguese expression "mapamundo em vidro grande" referring to the map that > the Jesuits were sending in 1554 to the Japanese daimyo of Bungo (Oita)... He > thinks that it was a map MADE OF glass... > > Very funny... Portuguese (Italian) scholarship... > > > At 2011/11/24, 11:22, Angelo Cattaneo wrote: > >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the >> whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> While looking at a Portuguese1554 inventory listing objects to be dispatched >> to Japan from Goa, I found a reference to a "mapamundo em vidro grande" . >> >> It is not simple to translate this reference. It could be "a big >> [terrestrial] globe made of glass [crystal]". >> Of course, it is possible to provide other interpretations. >> >> I do not know of any other reference to these kind of objects, apart from >> the famous crystal [celestial] sphere made by Mercator for Charles V (the >> terrestrial one was made of wood). >> >> Does anybody know any such reference? Is there any such "big [terrestrial] >> globe made of glass / crystal" or "big [terrestrial] map made of glass / >> crystal" extant in either public or private collections? >> >> Thanks and my best, >> Angelo Cattaneo >> ___ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.nl >> >> Maphist mailing list >> Maphist@geo.uu.nl >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > ___ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > Maphist@geo.uu.nl > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility
Re: [MapHist] "big [terrestrial] globe made of glass/crystal", or Portuguese scholarship...
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + This scholar Angelo Cattaneo is wonderful, and he is famous in Maphist for his intelligent questions (since the first ones that he made, the first time that he had an intervention, many years ago...). The Portuguese (with their lots of public money...) invented him... gave him his PhD... and paid him (for so many years now...) to have him shown as a substitute of the Portuguese historian of Cartography, Alfredo Pinheiro Marques (against whom the censorship continues... silenced and persecuted in his own country, for so many years now...), but until today -- for so many years now...! -- this excellent scholar, this true expert of Portuguese things, this Italian Mr. Angelo Cattaneo, is not yet able to understand the meaning of the most obvious things in Portuguese language... Now he does not understand (and he asks Maphist for...) the meaning of the Portuguese expression "mapamundo em vidro grande" referring to the map that the Jesuits were sending in 1554 to the Japanese daimyo of Bungo (Oita)... He thinks that it was a map MADE OF glass... Very funny... Portuguese (Italian) scholarship... At 2011/11/24, 11:22, Angelo Cattaneo wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > Dear Colleagues, > > While looking at a Portuguese1554 inventory listing objects to be dispatched > to Japan from Goa, I found a reference to a "mapamundo em vidro grande" . > > It is not simple to translate this reference. It could be "a big > [terrestrial] globe made of glass [crystal]". > Of course, it is possible to provide other interpretations. > > I do not know of any other reference to these kind of objects, apart from the > famous crystal [celestial] sphere made by Mercator for Charles V (the > terrestrial one was made of wood). > > Does anybody know any such reference? Is there any such "big [terrestrial] > globe made of glass / crystal" or "big [terrestrial] map made of glass / > crystal" extant in either public or private collections? > > Thanks and my best, > Angelo Cattaneo > ___ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > Maphist@geo.uu.nl > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] "big [terrestrial] globe made of glass/crystal", or Portuguese scholarship...
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + This scholar Angelo Cattaneo is wonderful, and he is famous in Maphist for his intelligent questions (since the first ones that he made, the first time that he had an intervention, many years ago...). The Portuguese (with their lots of public money...) invented him... gave him his PhD... and paid him (for so many years now...) to have him shown as a substitute of the Portuguese historian of Cartography, the author of the "Addenda" to "Portvgaliae Monvmenta Cartographica" against whom they are doing what they are doing, in his own country, for so many years now...), but until today -- for so many years now...! -- this excellent scholar, this true expert of Portuguese things, this Italian Mr. Angelo Cattaneo, is not yet able to understand the meaning of the most obvious things in Portuguese language... Now he does not understand (and he asks Maphist for...) the meaning of the Portuguese expression "mapamundo em vidro grande" referring to the map that the Jesuits were sending in 1554 to the Japanese daimyo of Bungo (Oita)... He thinks that it was a map MADE OF glass... Very funny... Portuguese (Italian) scholarship... At 2011/11/24, 11:22, Angelo Cattaneo wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > Dear Colleagues, > > While looking at a Portuguese1554 inventory listing objects to be dispatched > to Japan from Goa, I found a reference to a "mapamundo em vidro grande" . > > It is not simple to translate this reference. It could be "a big > [terrestrial] globe made of glass [crystal]". > Of course, it is possible to provide other interpretations. > > I do not know of any other reference to these kind of objects, apart from the > famous crystal [celestial] sphere made by Mercator for Charles V (the > terrestrial one was made of wood). > > Does anybody know any such reference? Is there any such "big [terrestrial] > globe made of glass / crystal" or "big [terrestrial] map made of glass / > crystal" extant in either public or private collections? > > Thanks and my best, > Angelo Cattaneo > ___ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > Maphist@geo.uu.nl > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
