Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
From: drew d...@baseanswers.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 16:15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 20:59 -0400, drew wrote: Howdy Pushed a new update to the file on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf Some text updates coming from the us_mktg list, primarily the removal of the secondary line for supported platforms. (mentioning BSD on interior being one) Comments, suggestions welcomed as it is never really done, really, it's just tonights copy. Thanks Drew ps - if you want todays odt file it is at http://lo-portal.us/temp/LibOPamphlet-may-17.odt Hi :) I still don't see the point of removing or avoiding mentioning that LO can be run on other platforms, particularly when those platforms don't support MSO. There are 2 lines that say The free power-packed, Open Source, personal productivity suite for: and the next line misses out saying BSD although it looks as though there is plenty of room to mention it. There would be more room if MS was missed off the front of MS Windows. Are there non-MS versions of Windows? Do MS require that MS is always put in front of Windows? (in which case a vast amount of writing about Windows is in breach.) Have i missed a day or 2 worth of emails explaining that LO suddenly doesn't work on BSD? We tend not to hear from people where things have gone smoothly and have only heard from a couple of people that have had minor issues with LO on BSD. I take that as a good sign. I am not on the devs list so perhaps people there have decided that LO doesn't work? Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Hah, Ignore my previous slightly sharp mail wrt. testing - I had forgotten you're doing all this great marketing research work :-) On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 09:07 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: The object of this exercise is to see if we could have the release notes, on the website page, released all at the same time for as many language groups as possible. The release is planned for the end of May or early days of June. We have about 10-11 days left. Sounds great to me. As of some weeks ago, there are no features going into the product, only bug fixes - so we should be clear for a long run to get it nailed down and translated. * get images of different new features or fixes done in different language. We should have the same protocols for image captures. Could someone point me to these if they have ever been discussed or could we have someone chime in and help out? Ooh - difficult (and big) :-) The screenshots last time turned out to be quite emotive: with people anxious about consistent platform, theme, and so on - which added a real bottleneck to the screen-shotting process. * get the translation of the release website page done before the release of the new version. We need to coordinate this with the dev group. I am not sure who gives the final say on when the new release if put on the downloads website pages. Are you the person who OK's this? So - final up-loads and tweaking of the download page / javascript (etc.) are done by Thorsten, or Christian I guess, I'd ask them. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
On 05/20/2011 10:22 AM, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 15:08 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: From: drewd...@baseanswers.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 16:15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 20:59 -0400, drew wrote: Howdy Pushed a new update to the file on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf Some text updates coming from the us_mktg list, primarily the removal of the secondary line for supported platforms. (mentioning BSD on interior being one) Comments, suggestions welcomed as it is never really done, really, it's just tonights copy. Hi :) I still don't see the point of removing or avoiding mentioning that LO can be run on other platforms, particularly when those platforms don't support MSO. There are 2 lines that say The free power-packed, Open Source, personal productivity suite for: and the next line misses out saying BSD although it looks as though there is plenty of room to mention it. There would be more room if MS was missed off the front of MS Windows. Are there non-MS versions of Windows? Do MS require that MS is always put in front of Windows? (in which case a vast amount of writing about Windows is in breach.) Have i missed a day or 2 worth of emails explaining that LO suddenly doesn't work on BSD? We tend not to hear from people where things have gone smoothly and have only heard from a couple of people that have had minor issues with LO on BSD. I take that as a good sign. I am not on the devs list so perhaps people there have decided that LO doesn't work? Regards from Hi Tom No one is saying it doesn't work on BSD - the discussion on the US mktg list was more to do with What platforms do you find when you visit the main LibO site and in that respect the answer is, these three (win, linux, OS X). So the idea was to keep the marketing piece in alignment with the website. Finally, there is a reason this is done on the open mailing list - so if you have some specific wording? Thanks Does LibreOffice's web site tell people how to install it on BSD? They have a help page for installing it on Linux. If we do list BSD on the pamphlet, we will need to be read for questions for installing it on BSD. I know how to do Windows and Ubuntu/Deb installs, and I gave the NA DVD to a friend [Monday] that uses a Mac. I have not heard anything yet about problems with the Mac install. I only have Windows XP and Vista, plus Ubuntu 10.04LTS for my operating systems so I have never tried to install it on MacOSX. So if there is not references to BSD install, maybe we should say Windows, Linux, MacOSX, and other platforms, with the other platforms in the small print. We could debate the wording back-and-forth to the point where we do not like such-and-such word or coma placement, but the real point is do we have the generalized or major points covered? If we state everything we could about why you should use LibreOffice, we would have a booklet instead of a pamphlet. Maybe one day that might happen, but right now we need to get it finalized for our first official publication. Hopefully Drew will have the time to place the NA DVD project's ISO files[s] online and post the URL. Then we can tweak the paperwork as needed. I think it is time that we give the marketing community the chance to download the DVD and try it themselves, instead of just testing it out online. The DVD label for the first DVD is finished. The DVD insert seems to be ready [except any minor tweaks people want]. The DVD cover sheet is ready. The pamphlet is ready, except for any work that we feel could make it better. So that seems to be everything we need to publish our DVD except the URL of the ISO file. Then people will have a chance to work with our English Windows/Linux/MacOSX DVD [including a Windows portable version]. Then we can finish the editing of the English Windows-only DVD and do its paperwork for it to be out there instead of just a test version online. Then maybe we can get more of our Spanish users/marketers to look at our Spanish language version of these DVD so we can have it worked on fast enough to have it ready sometime in the summer for its publication. Thanks to some members in South America, and other places, we have been able to start the Spanish version of our project. So do we NEED to list all the platforms that LibreOffice can be used on, for just the 3 major ones? Is there anything else that is blocking our publication of our project? Can we say we are done and get the ISO file online and have an official announcement, maybe on the announcement list, that the English version of our project it ready for people to use? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
From: C. Olofson c.olof...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 20 May, 2011 18:17:14 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure On 05/20/2011 08:06 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: On 05/20/2011 10:22 AM, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 15:08 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: From: drewd...@baseanswers.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 16:15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 20:59 -0400, drew wrote: Howdy Pushed a new update to the file on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf f Some text updates coming from the us_mktg list, primarily the removal of the secondary line for supported platforms. (mentioning BSD on interior being one) Comments, suggestions welcomed as it is never really done, really, it's just tonights copy. Hi :) I still don't see the point of removing or avoiding mentioning that LO can be run on other platforms, particularly when those platforms don't support MSO. There are 2 lines that say The free power-packed, Open Source, personal productivity suite for: and the next line misses out saying BSD although it looks as though there is plenty of room to mention it. There would be more room if MS was missed off the front of MS Windows. Are there non-MS versions of Windows? Do MS require that MS is always put in front of Windows? (in which case a vast amount of writing about Windows is in breach.) Have i missed a day or 2 worth of emails explaining that LO suddenly doesn't work on BSD? We tend not to hear from people where things have gone smoothly and have only heard from a couple of people that have had minor issues with LO on BSD. I take that as a good sign. I am not on the devs list so perhaps people there have decided that LO doesn't work? Regards from Hi Tom No one is saying it doesn't work on BSD - the discussion on the US mktg list was more to do with What platforms do you find when you visit the main LibO site and in that respect the answer is, these three (win, linux, OS X). So the idea was to keep the marketing piece in alignment with the website. Finally, there is a reason this is done on the open mailing list - so if you have some specific wording? Thanks Does LibreOffice's web site tell people how to install it on BSD? Nope. We don't: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ If we do list BSD on the pamphlet, we will need to be read for questions for installing it on BSD. At this point, we're taking our lead from the LibO website. It mentions only the three OSes. So if there is not references to BSD install, maybe we should say Windows, Linux, MacOSX, and other platforms, with the other platforms in the small print. In principle, I like that and that definitely sounds like the way to go. I believe that the Debian project is as popular as it is, in no small part, for the prominence they give to being a cross-platform product. But, I'd rather defer that until later. Reason is, in my opinion, due diligence would require us to get marketing, doc support each to address this statement. So do we NEED to list all the platforms that LibreOffice can be used on, for just the 3 major ones? I'm pretty sure we already settled on the 3. Is there anything else that is blocking our publication of our project? I'll defer to those who've been proofing more closely. Craig Hi :) Ok, i think the pamphlet has been ready for quite a long time now. It's getting better but it already was good enough. Do we need it to be perfect first time? I don't believe there is any such thing as perfection. I don't think we need instructions for all the different OSes, especially if the Dvd is the Windows-only version. Windows users often need quite a lot of hand-holding but often linux users are new to linux so they need help too as they still have bad habits and mis-information left over from their Windows days. By contrast Bsd users are likely to already have a lot of unix based experience and be fairly used to advanced ways of installing, such as compiling from source. We don't need to scare or confuse non-Bsd users by explaining those, especially in a pamphlet for the Windows-only version. It's enough just to mention the platform. Or, going the other way isn't it dangerous to mention non-Windows platforms? Is it wise to mention other platforms at all? Regards from Devil's Advocate :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
From: drew d...@baseanswers.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 20 May, 2011 15:22:42 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 15:08 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: From: drew d...@baseanswers.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 16:15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 20:59 -0400, drew wrote: Howdy Pushed a new update to the file on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf f Some text updates coming from the us_mktg list, primarily the removal of the secondary line for supported platforms. (mentioning BSD on interior being one) Comments, suggestions welcomed as it is never really done, really, it's just tonights copy. Hi :) I still don't see the point of removing or avoiding mentioning that LO can be run on other platforms, particularly when those platforms don't support MSO. There are 2 lines that say The free power-packed, Open Source, personal productivity suite for: and the next line misses out saying BSD although it looks as though there is plenty of room to mention it. There would be more room if MS was missed off the front of MS Windows. Are there non-MS versions of Windows? Do MS require that MS is always put in front of Windows? (in which case a vast amount of writing about Windows is in breach.) Have i missed a day or 2 worth of emails explaining that LO suddenly doesn't work on BSD? We tend not to hear from people where things have gone smoothly and have only heard from a couple of people that have had minor issues with LO on BSD. I take that as a good sign. I am not on the devs list so perhaps people there have decided that LO doesn't work? Regards from Hi Tom No one is saying it doesn't work on BSD - the discussion on the US mktg list was more to do with What platforms do you find when you visit the main LibO site and in that respect the answer is, these three (win, linux, OS X). So the idea was to keep the marketing piece in alignment with the website. Finally, there is a reason this is done on the open mailing list - so if you have some specific wording? Thanks Hi :) Yes, i was thinking of changing those few lines to; The free power-packed, Open Source, personal productivity suite for: Windows GNU/Linux BSD Mac OS X At the moment that last line reads MS Windows GNU/Linux Mac OS X So, my suggestion would only add 1 letter to the line and there appears to be just about enough space for that. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/05/2011 20:23, Tom Davies wrote: Do we need it to be perfect first time? I don't believe there is any such thing as perfection. Over time, the brochure will change. Or, going the other way isn't it dangerous to mention non-Windows platforms? Is it wise to mention other platforms at all? The brochure should list the OSes found on the DVD. On the DVD you can have a more extensive document that states what operating systems LibO has been compiled for, and where to obtain the compiled binaries, and source code. If there is enough space on the brochure, you can state the half dozen or so operating systems that Windows users have never heard of, that LibO has been ported to. If LibO is ported to Android, iOS (Apple), or Blackberry OS, then a different brochure for mobile platforms can be constructed. If LibO is ported to XrossMediaBar, Xbox 360 system software, or Wii system software, then a different brochure for gaming platforms can be constructed. (I can see it now: How to use the Wii nunchak to edit an Impress presentation.) jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN1uliAAoJEERA7YuLpVrV5qsIANpBLRqb0VdAxNPEE69ExHPO jo1NgN9KqWyEZU+odnih26mFwKPLfeL3/yeUo5HFbgZ3Oz/fCga0dmKbM0hLxJxS 6tRRUUSZKCBIBarhdUC7S1zd6ELgcT5li7Nnr+tWXyHQHY76V/TRipHdDINwcOGz J+I8NHrbyt4dB5rBphyuh9vFgpMVajY18dWYzEZBtNJvOI/it4eXQpzp/r8jaA4U i1x/XIg2pEAGXDa1OSyTLOUTXs0dkuSfcEFKs9OMduxfBrgJKYxSZDVfT/H88CSv Q3QV/5SOm5h6zvZoGci15ZW6n0FteJHmUrdlbtDLb0wVjFP9KpLNAuQddHhgrrU= =wSfa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
On 05/20/2011 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: snip Hi :) Ok, i think the pamphlet has been ready for quite a long time now. It's getting better but it already was good enough. Do we need it to be perfect first time? I don't believe there is any such thing as perfection. I don't think we need instructions for all the different OSes, especially if the Dvd is the Windows-only version. Windows users often need quite a lot of hand-holding but often linux users are new to linux so they need help too as they still have bad habits and mis-information left over from their Windows days. By contrast Bsd users are likely to already have a lot of unix based experience and be fairly used to advanced ways of installing, such as compiling from source. We don't need to scare or confuse non-Bsd users by explaining those, especially in a pamphlet for the Windows-only version. It's enough just to mention the platform. Or, going the other way isn't it dangerous to mention non-Windows platforms? Is it wise to mention other platforms at all? Regards from Devil's Advocate :) We started with the 3 platform DVD like the German's did with their initial woke. But as things were being discussed about what extension, templates, samples, etc., should be removed or should be added, I started the process of removing all the non-Windows references from a copy of the DVD. There were only 4[?] pages that needed editing and the rest were exactly the same as the 3 platform version. So I ended up doing the work on the Windows-only DVD. I think it may need editing of my edits, but still it was a start while the extension and template pages were being worked on by others. At events where there are Linux and Mac users, having a 3 platform DVD is proper. For those places that there are a lost of Windows users, having a Windows-only version can be helpful. For those who are going to download an ISO file, and use only Windows, having a 1.4 GB download instead of a 3.2 GB is important. So for me, at an event table, it would be nice to have side-by-side both versions. For those people that know about the other platforms, knowing that LibreOffice will work on all three major ones can be a selling point, since MSO works on Windows and maybe an after thought on making an older version work on MacOSX. Forget Linux. So if you have someone know that no matter what computers you use, you should be able to use LibreOffice on all of them. Cross platform may be very important to them. For people that do not know anything about Linux or Mac except the name, they may need to have a DVD that only has Windows references on it. They might think cross platform is a good idea, but may not know what it really is or why it is needed since they have never used a non-Windows machine except for their smart phones or e-readers. To be honest, for may users, the more you tell them about how it works or other technical issues the more confused they can become. Some will even avoid a product that may sound too technical to use or deal with. A lot of Windows users can hardly install a simple package by double-clicking on the .exe file. I know many of these users. Some do not even know how to browse through their hard drives to find a miss-filed document. Some are stumped on how to do anything other than use the Internet browser, the email client, and maybe a simple word processor. So we need to be able to have some document/pamphlet that work work for them. But, the real users of LibreOffice should be those who know a thing or two about their computers or how to use them more than just email and web browsing. So we need our main documentation to work for them. So, have the main Win/Linux/MacOSX DVD, the Windows-only DVD, and later maybe have a CD or DVD that is geared to the user that does not know how to do much of anything beyond the web. But for now we have the first two, and that is all we really need. If you need a different platform, then you most likely know much more about using it than we would. If you need a very simple hand-holding install package, you most likely either not need LibreOffice or have someone that will do the install for you and teach you how to do anything you need to do. Actually, I kind of like HP's Linux driver system. You run a .run file and ask a few Y/N questions, and then the script does all the downloading, compiling/making, and anything else that is needed to get the printers installed on your version of Linux. I would hate to do all that myself via the terminal, even with detailed instructions. It would be nice if all you had to do was run an .exe file to install any/all of you packages instead of having to use the terminal to type in commands for those packages that you cannot install by double-clicking on the .deb file. But if it was easy as Windows, it may be as faulty/crash-y as Windows can be. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
On 05/20/2011 06:21 PM, toki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/05/2011 20:23, Tom Davies wrote: Do we need it to be perfect first time? I don't believe there is any such thing as perfection. Over time, the brochure will change. Or, going the other way isn't it dangerous to mention non-Windows platforms? Is it wise to mention other platforms at all? The brochure should list the OSes found on the DVD. That is does. On the DVD you can have a more extensive document that states what operating systems LibO has been compiled for, and where to obtain the compiled binaries, and source code. We do not have the page[s] for developers and hackers, like the German DVD had when we started this NA project. Thought that it would confuse the normal user and for those who would want that info, the files on the DVD would be way out-of-date withing a week of our reediting of the DVD file contents for that section. If there is enough space on the brochure, you can state the half dozen or so operating systems that Windows users have never heard of, that LibO has been ported to. If LibO is ported to Android, iOS (Apple), or Blackberry OS, then a different brochure for mobile platforms can be constructed. Windows, Linux [.deb, .rpm], MacOSX [Intel, PPC], plus the Windows portable version. That is what is on the main DVD. Plus, except for Windows, there are only a few language files other than English. It would be too much to have all 113 languages on one DVD. We do English, Spanish, French, and a few more [mostly nitch ones]. As for Android and the other ports, I have not really heard much about those, but hope they will come with the popularity of the iPad style of systems. Now you have system that use your HDTV for web browsing and social network work. Could you next do office suite work as well? If LibO is ported to XrossMediaBar, Xbox 360 system software, or Wii system software, then a different brochure for gaming platforms can be constructed. (I can see it now: How to use the Wii nunchak to edit an Impress presentation.) jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN1uliAAoJEERA7YuLpVrV5qsIANpBLRqb0VdAxNPEE69ExHPO jo1NgN9KqWyEZU+odnih26mFwKPLfeL3/yeUo5HFbgZ3Oz/fCga0dmKbM0hLxJxS 6tRRUUSZKCBIBarhdUC7S1zd6ELgcT5li7Nnr+tWXyHQHY76V/TRipHdDINwcOGz J+I8NHrbyt4dB5rBphyuh9vFgpMVajY18dWYzEZBtNJvOI/it4eXQpzp/r8jaA4U i1x/XIg2pEAGXDa1OSyTLOUTXs0dkuSfcEFKs9OMduxfBrgJKYxSZDVfT/H88CSv Q3QV/5SOm5h6zvZoGci15ZW6n0FteJHmUrdlbtDLb0wVjFP9KpLNAuQddHhgrrU= =wSfa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
