Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter
Hi Telesto, Thanks for engaging and sparking discussion here. There is much that is interesting but this: On 24/10/2020 09:49, Telesto wrote: > And I assume there are some difference between CIB <-> Collabora (except > the name), but I'm surely not knowing what that should be. I mean it, I really > don't know! Between LibreOffice and Powered Editions I can get it. > But even that - LibreOffice by partners being more mature (or older) > editions - not that obvious. > Is CIB better compared to Collabora? Or visa versa? Is there no > difference, but why two versions? I'm still confused here> As a user I would > think, did I buy the right one. [Looking at it regular > user perspective; as they Editions being sold in app stores to general > public too] is a brilliant description of the fundamental problems of sub-brand differentiation. If there is a shared commodity enterprise brand: LibreOffice Enterprise powered by DidYouGetThisFar ? vs. LibreOffice Enterprise powered by EllipsizedAgesAgo we create confusion, we don't allow strong vendor brands, and we inevitably create just another FLOSS commodity: LibreOffice Enterprise for which the price tends to zero. I think any ingredient brand has to go in the other direction eg. "Foo Office powered by LibreOffice technology" So Foo can be known, and differentiate from Baa - that's my 2 cents. As for the other comments in the thread about avoiding tags that make users think something is missing if they're deploying LibreOffice en-masse outside eg. a personal use setting. Surely this is entirely the point. TDF's purpose is not per-se to build a valuable product brand. The purpose of the proposed tag is moral suasion: to encourage the vast number of people who use the software without contributing to contribute either financially or directly themselves. This is not a message aimed at people who read this list =) And of course, anyone competent can drop a file somewhere that changes the splash / about or whatever if they're annoyed as now. At least that was what I thought the idea of the marketing plan is/was. There are of course other ways of achieving similar goals. The tags I've seen sequentially suggested were: 'unsupported' -> 'home' -> 'personal' -> 'community' -> '' ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Nightly Rush Calc Threading video was: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...
Hi Drew, On 21/01/2019 17:35, Drew Jensen wrote: > Collabora and AMD are both on the TDF Advisory Board, I believe, so perhaps Hmm; I forget if AMD is still there. > Multi-core threading support in the LibreOffice calculation engine is the > result of engineering work lead by a core team at TDF Advisory Board > members Collabora Ltd., Tor Lillqvist, Luboš Luňák & Dennis Francis, and > Applied Micro Devices (AMD). > --- Collabora Productivity Limited - if we want a proper name - I'd just use 'Collabora' for the group. > I assume it would be acceptable to use the Logos from Collabora and AMD for > the graphic element of that screen? Fine by me for Collabora's Sorry for the ultra-slow reply; I really value a CC but TDF's lists do reply-to-mangling and drop that (sadly) which means I have to poll the marketing list from time to time & remember threads to look for replies. Thanks for the great work here, ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Nightly Rush Calc Threading video was: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...
Hi Drew, On 21/01/2019 00:35, Drew Jensen wrote: > How much of a performance increase will you see in your Calc worksheets? > > This depends largely on how calculation heavy your work is. > > Representative benchmark spreadsheets covering scenarios from Stock Pricing > to Water Table Monitoring > > produced performance increases ranging from 37% to 75% with this 4 core > processor based system. Sounds good to me. It's quite normal to talk performance wins in X factors over the original - so 75% is 4x - and 37% is 1.6X - which is perhaps easier for people to grok: old-time/new-time. > What I would like to do to end it is to thank the folks who actually did > the engineering work behind the work. > How would that best be? The threading work credit is: Collabora engineers: Tor Lillqvist, Luboš Luňák & Dennis Francis and of course thanks to AMD too. Thanks so much for putting this all together ! All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: It's Sunday night - lets fiddle with Calc Threading...
Hi Drew, On 14/01/2019 06:40, Drew Jensen wrote: > and I kept at it for a little while, > > So a real first draft, I put the two runs one after so the run length went > to 1:13 https://youtu.be/_jtmydRYSoU > > The sound track is not quite right, some popping with the car engine mix, > but you get the idea. Nice =) > What do you think? Looks great; we use only real-cores to calculate on[1]; so I'd mention 2 cores - rather than 4 threads. As such we got ~2x as fast with 2 cores ;-) Do you have a 4 core machine nearby - or better a 24 one ? Lovely video though; I love the raw motorbike-with-hole-in-exhaust ricer feel =) Good stuff, Michael. [1] - hyper-threading is not our friend in the case of some heavy usage and can make it slower ;-) -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-marketing] TDF marketing discussion paper ...
Hi everyone, I've now published a big chunk of rational, with pictures around this topic here: https://people.gnome.org/~michael/data/vendor-neutral-marketing.html Hopefully in an easy to reference way. As a very brief summary of the thinking it seemed that while the marketing assumptions, strategy & direction created for TDF in its first months were ideal for our situation, seven+ years on things have changed. As such, it is well worth re-thinking our approach to match our messages to the different situation of today and discussing taking action broadly in this direction - with suitable feedback & improvement of course. There is clearly more to be said here, and I wanted to have this discussion in public. There is also a balance between driving adoption with a free product (and then selling services of fixing & improve LibreOffice afterwards) vs. being more up-front about the expectation that enterprises should pay and hence indirectly invest in improving LibreOffice and putting some free corporate users off. Clearly I'd like to adjust the balance here a fair bit. It has been pointed out that making the investment that we want pay in terms of some clear marketing benefit - hinges on our quality metric (eg. count of certified developers, trainers, migrators etc.) That may lead in turn to more interest in gaming the metrics and/or stress in certification. Otherwise - I hope a number of the suggestions here seem like common sense after reading the background - and that we can act on many if not all - ultimately, the proposal is primarily to change our marketing. I would love us to collectively steer LibreOffice & TDF in a direction where we excessively credit, celebrate and encourage all of our contributors - both individual and corporate - and in doing so grow a more diverse, richer and thriving community and open source codebase. Thoughts and discussion much appreciated, particularly on suggested changes. I'd also really appreciate people who comment having taken the time to read (at least once) the whole rational, rather than just the last bits. https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/zJMTtMw8GQSNqMM Also attached - but perhaps that won't make it =) Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
Hi there, On 09/11/2018 11:58, Edoardo Maria Elidoro wrote: > I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental. > The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved both > the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really useful > and nice feature to have. > > I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental. IIRC the ESC agreed to have the option to enable it appear by default at least in the run up to 6.2 to encourage more people to play with and (hopefully) debug the functionality. Hopefully it will be in a good enough state for 6.2 final - but there is no real magic way to make developers come & get involved and fix the shortcomings short of encouraging them when they show up, and evangelizing to / mentoring them. > Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho < > mota.pr...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor >> aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are >> far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar >> that warrant more attention. Would be interested in a tracker bug for those; I'm interested in a good, ordered list of the nastiest Mac bugs to fix. Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-conference] Conference videos finally online
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 14:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: after lots of technical issues, and lots of time invested by the video producers, I am happy to finally announce the availability of the previous' LibreOffice Conference videos at Nice :-) do we have a domain name for: http://141.64.64.107/presentations/libreoffice/ Or is linking IP recommended ? it'd be great to blog / tweet / facebook etc. this now - is that what you suggest ? it's really great to have that content on-line. Thanks for all your hard-work here now - the page looks great. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Latest Hardware and OS
Hi Rainer, On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 07:48 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: we have LibO also running on Android OS and Raspberry Pi hardware. What do you think, should we have these environments explicitly in Bugzilla? Ho hum; the Raspberry Pi version is mostly Rene's work with the Debian packages; I'd stick to just having the Linux + ARM architecture for that rather than a specific one (unless you really think it helps). Android is a different matter of course; unclear what to do there - at least, that stuff is quite experimental except for the impress remote which should be toughened up enough to ship in 4.0. So whatever you think really ... Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] IX Latin-American Free Software Conference - Brazil
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 08:14 -0300, Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote: I prepared a program of activities LibreOffice, only in Portuguese. It was made in LibreOffice Draw and I am sharing the file source. Looks really nice :-) I am deeply sad that it can not be in Berlin. I hope next year the events are not happen in the same date. We'll miss you - on the other hand, this sounds like some really important work. If I can help in any way with slide-decks / feature breakdowns please let me know. Great work ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [board-discuss] Collateral Scheme
On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 00:19 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: Summary: I propose a scheme for LibreOffice supporters to get materials to use at events. I ask for collaborators and I request an OK for the Board. Sounds great. == Call for Action == * Who would be willing to collaborate with me on this? * Is there an upcoming event we can set as a goal so we have a target (lat May-early June)? * Board: Will you give this scheme your agreement please? You have my moral support :-) though I can't invest time in this as of now. Wrt. the collaboration - what concretely do you need done ? Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] Preparing announcement of the 3.4.2 release
Hi Christian, On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 13:18 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: But obviously not enough. The bug that made MS-Office flag LO-produced files as corrupt for example is one of those bugs that prevent use in Sure sure - the real hope is that (once we are clean with it - still work to do there) - we can use Microsoft's new binary document format validator to automatically regression test this. Sadly the thing is not open-source, so we can't easily use it except on Windows, but ... hey. Forget about the term. Think of it as would have been the version released in OOo times with the known bugs. :-) that is hard to judge; people's memory gets rosier and rosier with the passage of time, there were some pretty hideous bugs we shipped with I think. And now to the decision: How should the release be flagged on the download-page? * yellow exclamation mark/warning as it is now. http://www.libreoffice.org/themes/libo/images/warning.png So - not that :-) * blue info / i icon http://www.libreoffice.org/themes/libo/images/information.png Looks great to me. I suggest we also put it at the top of the page as well. * green tick/OK icon like 3.3.3 http://www.libreoffice.org/themes/libo/images/tick.png * other (please specify): __ :-) we can keep green for the ultra-stable release I guess. How does that sound ? :-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Hah, Ignore my previous slightly sharp mail wrt. testing - I had forgotten you're doing all this great marketing research work :-) On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 09:07 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: The object of this exercise is to see if we could have the release notes, on the website page, released all at the same time for as many language groups as possible. The release is planned for the end of May or early days of June. We have about 10-11 days left. Sounds great to me. As of some weeks ago, there are no features going into the product, only bug fixes - so we should be clear for a long run to get it nailed down and translated. * get images of different new features or fixes done in different language. We should have the same protocols for image captures. Could someone point me to these if they have ever been discussed or could we have someone chime in and help out? Ooh - difficult (and big) :-) The screenshots last time turned out to be quite emotive: with people anxious about consistent platform, theme, and so on - which added a real bottleneck to the screen-shotting process. * get the translation of the release website page done before the release of the new version. We need to coordinate this with the dev group. I am not sure who gives the final say on when the new release if put on the downloads website pages. Are you the person who OK's this? So - final up-loads and tweaking of the download page / javascript (etc.) are done by Thorsten, or Christian I guess, I'd ask them. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Hi Marc, On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 09:35 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Could we, all, please take a close look at the information on the Release Notes 3.4 wiki page[1] to make sure that the information is complete and correct ? Completeness is hard :-) but I poked a number of people last week to add their details there. One key thing I would like to get right in our 3.4 promotion is crediting the people (particularly volunteers) involved in each feature - hence the names there. How is the 3.4 page coming along ? clearly we had huge bus-loads of new-features in 3.3 (at least new to OO.o users), and 3.4 has a danger of looking less significant against that (I suppose) - that's a good one for marketing to deal with. On the other side, I think a developers' view / timeline of what has changed, and our progress and where we're going would be good to have for the 3.4 release as well; there are things like - improved build infrastructure (and so on) that are not so visible in Of course - finally, those are only features that -we- have worked on; Oracle contributed a lot too cf. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_3.4 Which we should no doubt mention (with suitable crediting) - though be careful of the calc feature overlap, where Kohei had to re-implement a number of pieces. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] Promoting LibO to Vietnamese students by completing easy hacks
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 07:42 +0700, Nguyen Vu Hung (KiEi) wrote: The reason we have our own version of Gsoc in Vietnam is that students' English skill is not so good. Ho hum :-) I'd feel a lot better if you guys worked with Google to translate task specifications to Vietnamese and stuck with their process. There are problems with being seen as undermining GSOC. As to promote LibO *development* in Vietnam, I would like to ask developers at LibO become a technical co-mentors, and myself will be a co-mentor who bridges the gaps between you and the student(s). This would be a great way to work with GSOC. Anyhow - of course, we are always eager to get people funded to work on LibreOffice in whatever way is possible. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: preparing the tracks for the LibreOffice Conference in Paris
Hi Charles, On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 15:40 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: As I saw no comments on suggestions for tracks and ideas for LibreOffice conference, I would like to propose 4 specific tracks (+1on ODF if needed) Interesting. - Development conferences - Technical BoF sessions So - I love these two :-) - Community Sessions - Marketing Track But - I wonder: I'd imagined this would primarily be a conference focused on members core contributors - so IMHO the CfP should make it clear that we are not primarily soliciting end-user focused talks, but talks on how to improve / structure / grow our community, and/or how to improve / co-ordinate our marketing etc. Do we have a papers committee yet to write the CfP etc. ? Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] Authorized information source about security fixes
Hi guys, On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 23:03 +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: I don't know what you count as authorized, but this is at least worth pointing people to: http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2011/01/msg00287.html Quite; and I will blog this as well (when I get on-line): Interested by the concern and uncertainty being created around the mistaken idea that there are some security fixes present in OO.o that are not in LibreOffice. This is not so. LibreOffice contains all the security fixes in 3.3.0 and perhaps more. Why more ? simply as side-effects of our code cleans, application of cppcheck etc. Many 'security bugs' are really just bugs, and we're working hard to improve our code quality. To improve code security many projects do code 'auditing', a big part of which is careful reading of the code with this in mind. In LibreOffice code review is the norm, so we aspire to a higher quality from this perspective over time. Sadly, of course there are always human errors, but as and when they are found, we aim to create fixes and get them to our users more quickly via. our rapid monthly stable releases. IMHO we need to claim the moral high ground here; LibreOffice -should- be increasingly more secure, if not now, then over time. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] official source code repository for CD distribution[was: DVD and Jewel case design]
Hi guys, On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 13:25 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: No, it is sufficient to provide a link to the code, but this link must be valid for a reasonable time. It is well worth reading the LGPLv3 in this regard; http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html Section 6. covers this - and yes; it should be adequate to point at the git repositories at: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/ though it is clearly preferable to distribute the source code on the media as well; since that ends your section 6. liability. Due to server capacities I don't know if TDF will be able to provide such continuously reachable links to every version of LibreOffice, but this should be discussed by the SC (CC'ing the SC-discuss list). Freedesktop has been around for a long time, and I expect it to continue for the forseeable future. For DVD with enough space on the disc it is easier to include the sources IMHO. Completely agreed. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
