Re: FOSDEM 2013 - GNOME Stand

[Christophe Fergeau]

Hi,


2012/11/30 Karen Sandler 

> Whoops, as per my earlier email, I already submitted the stand request.
> Christophe, Fred, let's coordinate about running it! :)


Ah, that's great news, I realized a few days ago that noone had requested a
stand, good to know that it has actually been done! Thanks,

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Re: FOSDEM 2013 - GNOME Stand

[Karen Sandler]

On Fri, November 30, 2012 2:46 pm, Dave Neary wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> On 11/24/2012 02:47 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote:
>> Could anyone register GNOME for a stand? It's seems to be quite simple:
>> 
>>
>> We could also try to have some prominent GNOME talks placed:
>>  Does anybody have an
>> idea for a great speaker?
>>
>> It'd be cool, if you could use the wiki page over here this year:
>> 
>>
>> Will anyone organise a GNOME Beer Event?
>
> This comes up every year, and every year someone mentions that GNOME-fr
> has taken care of reserving a GNOME stand for the past X years.
> Christophe, Fred, do either of you know if we already have a stand
> request in?
>
> Perhaps it might be an idea to hand off organisation of the stand to the
> foundation - but as the local group has taken care of it up to now,
> perhaps it's OK just to co-ordinate with them about what we want to do?
>

Whoops, as per my earlier email, I already submitted the stand request.
Christophe, Fred, let's coordinate about running it! :)

That's separate from the beer event though...
karen

> Cheers,
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Re: FOSDEM 2013 - GNOME Stand

[Dave Neary]

Hi,


On 11/24/2012 02:47 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote:

Could anyone register GNOME for a stand? It's seems to be quite simple:


We could also try to have some prominent GNOME talks placed:
 Does anybody have an
idea for a great speaker?

It'd be cool, if you could use the wiki page over here this year:


Will anyone organise a GNOME Beer Event?


This comes up every year, and every year someone mentions that GNOME-fr 
has taken care of reserving a GNOME stand for the past X years. 
Christophe, Fred, do either of you know if we already have a stand 
request in?


Perhaps it might be an idea to hand off organisation of the stand to the 
foundation - but as the local group has taken care of it up to now, 
perhaps it's OK just to co-ordinate with them about what we want to do?


Cheers,
Dave.


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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Karen Sandler]

On Fri, November 30, 2012 8:26 am, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:

 - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
 (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
 Privacy and Security.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
>>> view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
>>> but it will need more research before we can make a decision.
>>
>>
>> I assume everyone has heard about this by now?
>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/
>>
>> Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of
>> repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to
>> avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal
>> activity.
>>
>> I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of
>> personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge
>> opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are
>> thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group
>> effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law
>> enforcement,
>> with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.
>>
>> The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography.
>> We
>> cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell another
>> story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from predators on
>> the
>> internet with projects like ghostery and collusion:
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html
>>
>> Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla
>> and
>> EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet
>> Liberty?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>
> I'm with you 100% Dave! I would love to see us partner with Tor, EFF,
> Mozilla, etc on such a project to speak out and show how we are
> working to protect our and everyone elses' freedoms online. We could
> make the FoG Campaign about "Freedom & Privacy Online" which is what
> we are really talking about.

I'll reach out to EFF today - Tor works closely with them - to see if they
have anything in the works we can partner on!

karen

>
> The biggest 'disadvantage' to Tor as I understand it comes from the
> hit you take in overall network performance, which can be
> considerable, and is highly variable depending on the speeds you get
> through the nodes Tor chooses. If you get unlucky and hit a node run
> by somebody with a crappy connection like me, it can be considerable
> :) But sometimes the privacy it provides trumps the hit in speed you
> take - and for many people who are 'just surfing around' its not a big
> deal.
>
> HTH!
>
>
> Emily
>
>
>>
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Re: FOSDEM 2013 - GNOME Stand

[Karen Sandler]

On Fri, November 30, 2012 9:57 am, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> Tobi,
>
> I am hoping to attend FOSDEM again this year - I'm part of the
> committe for the Community Development and Marketing devroom, and am
> checking prices for flights & hotels now... have you heard back from
> anyone else about the stand? I'd be happy to help out with the stand
> again :) Who else is planning to attend?

Emily, great news that you're attending!

I submitted the request for the stand, so we should be good in that
regard. I'm co-hosting the legal room again and have submitted a couple of
proposals too, so I'm hoping to be there, baby permitting!

karen

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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[meg ford]

Hi,

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Emily Gonyer  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:
> >>>
> >>> - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
> >>> (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
> >>> Privacy and Security.
> >>
> >>
> >> I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
> >> view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
> >> but it will need more research before we can make a decision.
> >
> >
> > I assume everyone has heard about this by now?
> >
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/
> >
> > Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of
> > repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to
> > avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal
> activity.
> >
> > I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of
> > personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge
> > opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are
> > thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group
> > effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law
> enforcement,
> > with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.
> >
> > The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography.
> We
> > cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell another
> > story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from predators on
> the
> > internet with projects like ghostery and collusion:
> > http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html
> >
>

I think you need to be pretty careful about how you word these kinds of
statements. If you are trying to take on the task of countering a case that
includes such serious charges you really need to also partner with
organizations that have substantial credibility and are known for defending
people who are being wrongfully charged (the ACLU comes to mind, although
they are seen in some circles as being partisan). Otherwise you run the
risk of looking like an organization that defends freedom at all costs. I
don't think the EFF is well known enough to stand that test, at least in
the United States.

> Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla
> and
> > EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet
> > Liberty?
>

Meg Ford

> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave.
>
> I'm with you 100% Dave! I would love to see us partner with Tor, EFF,
> Mozilla, etc on such a project to speak out and show how we are
> working to protect our and everyone elses' freedoms online. We could
> make the FoG Campaign about "Freedom & Privacy Online" which is what
> we are really talking about.
>
> The biggest 'disadvantage' to Tor as I understand it comes from the
> hit you take in overall network performance, which can be
> considerable, and is highly variable depending on the speeds you get
> through the nodes Tor chooses. If you get unlucky and hit a node run
> by somebody with a crappy connection like me, it can be considerable
> :) But sometimes the privacy it provides trumps the hit in speed you
> take - and for many people who are 'just surfing around' its not a big
> deal.
>
> HTH!
>
>
> Emily
>
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave Neary, Lyon, France
> > Email: dne...@gnome.org
> > Jabber: nea...@gmail.com
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>
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Re: FOSDEM 2013 - GNOME Stand

[Emily Gonyer]

Tobi,

I am hoping to attend FOSDEM again this year - I'm part of the
committe for the Community Development and Marketing devroom, and am
checking prices for flights & hotels now... have you heard back from
anyone else about the stand? I'd be happy to help out with the stand
again :) Who else is planning to attend?

Emily

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Tobias Mueller  wrote:
> Hey folks :-)
>
> Could anyone register GNOME for a stand? It's seems to be quite simple:
> 
>
> We could also try to have some prominent GNOME talks placed:
>  Does anybody have an
> idea for a great speaker?
>
> It'd be cool, if you could use the wiki page over here this year:
> 
>
> Will anyone organise a GNOME Beer Event?
>
> Cheers,
>   Tobi
>
>
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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Emily Gonyer]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:
>>>
>>> - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
>>> (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
>>> Privacy and Security.
>>
>>
>> I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
>> view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
>> but it will need more research before we can make a decision.
>
>
> I assume everyone has heard about this by now?
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/
>
> Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of
> repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to
> avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal activity.
>
> I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of
> personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge
> opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are
> thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group
> effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law enforcement,
> with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.
>
> The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography. We
> cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell another
> story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from predators on the
> internet with projects like ghostery and collusion:
> http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html
>
> Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla and
> EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet
> Liberty?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.

I'm with you 100% Dave! I would love to see us partner with Tor, EFF,
Mozilla, etc on such a project to speak out and show how we are
working to protect our and everyone elses' freedoms online. We could
make the FoG Campaign about "Freedom & Privacy Online" which is what
we are really talking about.

The biggest 'disadvantage' to Tor as I understand it comes from the
hit you take in overall network performance, which can be
considerable, and is highly variable depending on the speeds you get
through the nodes Tor chooses. If you get unlucky and hit a node run
by somebody with a crappy connection like me, it can be considerable
:) But sometimes the privacy it provides trumps the hit in speed you
take - and for many people who are 'just surfing around' its not a big
deal.

HTH!


Emily


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Re: Revisiting rewards for the FoG campaigns

[Tobias Mueller]

Bonjour! :-)

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:42:36PM +, Juanjo Marín wrote:
> For example,  we could add more rewards options and even those rewards can be 
> related to topic of the campaign. 
> 
Yeah, do you have any concrete suggestion?
I'm happy to integrate more options on the site or give out credential to do 
that.
Before that, we would have to talk about our workflows to handle other reward 
options though.

Cheers,
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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Dave Neary]

Hi,


On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:

- Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
(https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
Privacy and Security.


I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
but it will need more research before we can make a decision.


I assume everyone has heard about this by now? 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/


Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of 
repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to 
avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal activity.


I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of 
personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge 
opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are 
thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group 
effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law 
enforcement, with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.


The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography. 
We cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell 
another story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from 
predators on the internet with projects like ghostery and collusion: 
http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html


Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla 
and EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet 
Liberty?


Cheers,
Dave.


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Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes

[Allan Day]

Thanks for the minutes, Emily.

Emily Gonyer  wrote:
> Emily: Privacy/Security
> Pros: Buzz creation, something different and important to virtually everyone
> Cons: how to implement privacy and security in gnome design
...

I would much prefer that we focus on privacy and not security. Privacy
as a concept is something that people can relate to, and would be a
stronger campaign on its own, in my opinion.

> - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
> (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to
> Privacy and Security.

I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
but it will need more research before we can make a decision.

Allan

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689339
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