Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched

[Lefty]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:

> I picked "Boost your business with Free Software" which unfortunately removes 
> GNOME from the slogan but has the advantage to keep a fairly accurate summary 
> of what the session is about and makes you happy too.

Yeah, it's certainly unfortunate that the mention of GNOME needed to be removed 
from promotional materials for the GNOME Asia Summit in order to "provide 
minimal support for the free software movement", but it makes Richard happy.

And that's what's _important.

You folks thrill me.


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Re: Pre-release marketing and community management [Was: getting www.gnome3.org]

[Lefty]

On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Dave Neary  wrote:
> 
> > Olav did something similar
> > for Lefty on the foundation-list.  That is a good example of managing
> > the mailing list.
> 
> I think it's a really bad example, actually. How much disruption was
> caused by people on foundation-list before any action was taken? Far too
> much I would say.
> 
> Well you really can't over moderate foundation list.  Those people are well 
> part of the foundation and our audience to some extent.  They are on there 
> because they've made some contribution in some way.
> 
> Stormy has warned Lefty before over private mail.  A public beating was 
> warranted.

For heaven's sake, _please_ leave me out of your "how can we keep the little 
people from being so gosh-darned disruptive?"-fest.

If you'd like to discuss an essentially chronic passive-aggressive situation 
where messages espousing the "free software movement"-approved terminology from 
Mr. Stallman (messages which everyone privately admits are disruptive, but 
suggests should simply be universally ignored, because, "well, that's just 
_Richard_") are somehow just fine, but messages suggesting that people actually 
take the time to critically examine that position must be banned, I'm certainly 
game. If that's not what you're after, than perhaps you'd best try another tack 
to support your position.

Feel free to moderate me here, as well, for insufficient zeal—thereby 
essentially demonstrating my point for me—but if you feel impelled to do so, at 
least do me the courtesy of leaving me out of your ill-considered examples in 
the future. Thanks for your ongoing consideration.


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Re: Software Freedom Day

[Lefty]

Was there a public naming of "traitors" and "enemies" this year? I was 
hoping someone videotaped it this time around...

On Sep 23, 2010, at 4:43 PM, John Sullivan wrote:

> "Bradley M. Kuhn"  writes:
> 
  On 08/30/2010 09:57 PM, Paul Cutler wrote:
 
GNOME did a press release for Software Freedom Day
(http://softwarefreedomday.org/) last year.   This year it's
Sept. 18th
- do we have any plans to celebrate SFD?
 
Anyone want to volunteer to organize the press release and
participation?
>> 
>> Stormy wrote:
>> 
 We could also put a banner up on gnome.org  and
 Planet GNOME just on Sept 18th.
 
 If anyone has time/inclination we could do a GNOME Software Freedom
 Day banner, if not Software Freedom Day has several we could choose
 from: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork
>> 
>> Brian Cameron wrote at 23:33 (EDT) on Friday:
>> 
>>> It might be nice to touch base with the FSF and see if there might be
>>> an interest in putting together a joint banner.  With GNOME 3 around
>>> the corner, it might be a good time to highlight the upcoming desktop
>>> and highlight it as a cool new component of the GNU ecosystem.
>> 
>> John Sullivan  (cc'd) is probably the right person at FSF
>> to coordinate with on stuff like this.  If not, he can surely direct you
>> to the right person at FSF.
> 
> My apologies for not reacting quickly enough on this; we ended up having
> our hands full trying to get our own action together for SFD.
> 
> However, it would be great to coordinate on something for next year.
> 
> Also, as a general point, if you ever think there are important GNOME
> announcements that we could be promoting, let us know at
> campai...@fsf.org, or me directly. We try to keep an eye out ourselves
> as well, but we would love to include anything like that in our Free
> Software Supporter monthly newsletter (about 32,000 subscribers right
> now). Other channels like blogs posts on fsf.org could be appropriate
> too.
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
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Re: What keywords would you use for GNOME?

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

I have no idea why I¹m doing this, actually‹pure grandmotherly kindness or
something, perhaps‹but the place to start for this sort of thing is Google¹s
own Keyword tool for AdWords.

https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

Full disclosure: I sent this from my Macintosh, using Entourage, on OS X.
Evolution is _still_ buggy and slow. Deal with it. Too bad no one around
apparently knows much about SEO. Have fun, I'm off to FOSDEM day after
tomorrow!


On 2/1/10 9:23 AM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> Nelson,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:34 AM,  <07...@ipam.pt> wrote:
>> 
>>  I would suggest that we should prioritize the development of tools to allow
>> us
>> to build a database with the most information we can retrieve from GNOME
>> Users,
>> and just like in normal corporate marketing build and segment the ranks of
>> our
>> users by Operative System, age, gender, nationality, etc etc. The more we
>> know
>> about people who use GNOME for several purposes (home, education,
>> development,
>> etc) the more accurate we can deploy new tools, new services, etc, and
>> eventually position us with a clear thought on how users see us and what they
>> expect. Having such a background would actually allow us to answer questions
>> like this ones in a much more accurate way.
>> 
> 
> I agree that information would be great to have and I'm open to any ways to
> collect it.
> 
> In the meantime, we have $330/day of free advertising to use so we are going
> to have to make some guesses.
> 
> I'm open to any keyword/ad combinations people would like to try. We can check
> on them once a week for a while.
> 
> FYI, to one of the points in Claus' email. We had to have two ads per adgroup
> in order to get approved. So it's about more than testing ads, it's actually
> one of the requirements.
> 
> Stormy 
> 
> 


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Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

I posted a mention in my blog, which _does_ get syndicated to Planet
GNOME...


On 1/15/10 12:46 PM, "Shane Fagan"  wrote:

> http://shanefagan.com/2010/01/15/debunking-the-gnome-3-myths/


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Re: Accepting donations from mobile phones

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

On 1/15/10 11:15 AM, "Bharat Kapoor" <3.kap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> IN summary we are looking at:
> $700 in setup fee & $420/month + ).11/transaction (200 transactions free)
>  
If I¹m understanding this correctly, we¹d likely end up owing them money.
Are we taking in over $420 a month in donations...?

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Re: Foundation Spokespeople (was FW: "Private Foundation-List"Petition for referendum)

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

Not to take away from the scintillating discussion of the relative merits of
various email options available, as a final post (and I'll probably continue
to monitor the list, but don't intend to participate any further or support
any future GNOME marketing efforts), I'm curious about something.

I've been on the marketing-list for a pretty good while, and I notice that
this seems to be the very first occasion on which either Mr. Terjan or Mr.
Peters have felt impelled to share their views with the rest of us.

How long have you two been on here? Do you have any marketing experience?
Have you participated in the Marketing BoFs at GUADEC or the Marketing
hackfest?

I'm just curious that two folks who've never evidently had a single word to
say before, and no obvious involvement in GNOME marketing efforts that I'm
aware of, should suddenly feel motivated to put their two cents in on this
matter.

Maybe you should introduce yourselves, boys?


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Re: Foundation Spokespeople (was FW: "Private Foundation-List"Petition for referendum)

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

Actually, maybe you should simply remove me from this list, Paul, and I'll
leave you nice folks to your own devices, and turn my efforts to other, more
productive things. I'm done catering to other people's litmus tests, thanks,
and if my assistance here isn't welcome, then I withdraw it, with apologies.
I won't be troubling you any further.

(I do, in fact, use a Linux desktop, running Mint. I am not using one at the
moment, that's entirely true. I do not use Evolution when I use my Linux
box, as it's proven in my experience to be buggy and unreliable, and makes
it pretty much impossible for me to get work done. Thanks for your time and
attention.)


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Re: Foundation Spokespeople (was FW: "Private Foundation-List" Petition for referendum)

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

On 12/16/09 5:56 AM, "Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier"  wrote:
> 
> I think there's a page on the GNOME site with a list of PR contacts here:
> 
> http://www.gnome.org/press/
> 
> It does need to be updated, I passed some info on to Stormy and I
> think she's passed that on to the right parties.

Yeah, that's a pretty limited list of national contacts. For general
inquiries, though, we should make sure we have sufficient coverage. We also
need to think about how active we want to be in chasing down and correcting
misinformation, etc...

(On the subject of active-ness, has anyone given any thought to things like
attempting to chase down industry analyst-types at places like ABI, IDC,
etc., in order to present GNOME and where it stands in the industry? When I
talk about LiMo to analysts, which I do with some reasonable regularity, I
bring up GNOME and explain how it relates...)

> We should also verify that the people on the page are still current
> with GNOME & ready to answer typical questions.

Indeed.

>> I could _possibly_ put together a quick media training session, on the order
>> of 90 minutes or so, but--for better or worse--it's the kind of thing that
>> needs to be done face-to-face: I can't do it either on the phone or via
>> email. Maybe at GUADEC this summer?
> 
> Also volunteering for this. I have a bit of experience in this area as
> well. :-)

Cool. We should get on the program. =D

>> Relatedly, we need a list of media contacts, and a plan for cultivating more
>> of them.
> 
> Yep. Since we seem to be putting in a CRM system already, it would be
> good to start putting people in there, I think.

Yeah, good idea.
 
> Press lists do tend to go out of date quickly. I'm willing to help
> curate this a bit.

I can help with this as well...


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Foundation Spokespeople (was FW: "Private Foundation-List" Petition for referendum)

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

On the vaguely related note of "stuff we discussed at GUADEC but haven't
done much about", the point was raised on the foundation-list by Miguel that
we don't have a line-up of representatives to respond to press stories such
as the recent coverage of the set-to on that list over Planet GNOME.

This is distinct, by the way, from the "Speakers' List" on the site. What
I'm thinking of is a list of potential approved Foundation "official
spokespeople" who can talk to the media (and have been, ideally, media
trained, or at least have some experience at it) on behalf of GNOME.

Stormy clearly has to be on the list; Dave Neary has volunteered (not
media-trained); I'm willing as well (and I have had media training...)

I could _possibly_ put together a quick media training session, on the order
of 90 minutes or so, but--for better or worse--it's the kind of thing that
needs to be done face-to-face: I can't do it either on the phone or via
email. Maybe at GUADEC this summer?

Relatedly, we need a list of media contacts, and a plan for cultivating more
of them.

-- Forwarded Message
> From: David Schlesinger 
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:19:52 -0800
> To: Miguel de Icaza , Behdad Esfahbod 
> Cc: foundation-list 
> Conversation: "Private Foundation-List" Petition for referendum
> Subject: Re: "Private Foundation-List" Petition for referendum
> 
> On 12/15/09 1:25 PM, "Miguel de Icaza"  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps what we do need is for the board to have a stronger
>> connection to mass media and be ready to articulate public responses
>> properly framing discussions and correcting any incorrect reporting.
> 
> Actually, this is something I'd suggested in the Marketing BoF at the last
> GUADEC: GNOME needs people who (ideally) have been media trained, have
> appropriate contacts, and are willing and able to talk to press
> representatives when needed. I volunteered to be one, I don't know whether
> that are others, but we haven't followed up on it so far...

-- End of Forwarded Message


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Re: GNOME Merchandise Process

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

Excellent suggestions. I know this subject came up in the Marketing BoF at
GUADEC, but I can't recall where we left things... Paul...?

I'm willing to help out with this one, and I think we _should_ try to treat
such requests positively (if they're reasonable) and _quickly_. This could
be a source of some income for the Foundation if it's handled reasonably, as
well as a good potential marketing tool...


On 12/16/09 4:44 AM, "Brian Cameron"  wrote:

> 
> Marketing team:
> 
> In the past month, the GNOME Foundation has received two requests from
> people interested in marketing GNOME branded merchandise.  So, I am
> interested to hear the GNOME Marketing community's perspective about
> the appropriate way to respond to such requests.  Is the GNOME
> community even considering such requests?  If so, should people with an
> interest make their request on the marketing-list for consideration, or
> what process should be followed?
> 
> Looking at the available resources on this topic, it does not seem that
> we have any sort of policy for how to respond to such requests:
> 
>http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Merchandising
>http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MerchandisingAgreement
>http://live.gnome.org/Trademark
> 
> In fact, the above Wiki pages seem very out of date and do not reflect
> much information about current merchandising work we do, such as with
> Hackerthreads.  On the Trademark Wiki, I can see that there are some
> draft, but not "official" trademark agreement template documents.
> Perhaps this is a good starting point?
> 
> In general, the GNOME board of directors frequently gets various
> requests about whether it is appropriate to use the GNOME logo in
> various situations.  If the above website could be further fleshed out
> to explain how to handle other common use cases, then this would be
> really helpful.  For example:
> 
> - For personal use (a t-shirt an individual is making for themselves)
> - For an event (logos on event merchandise)
> 
> If such a FAQ could be put together, then the GNOME Foundation would
> be able to easily point people to the process if they want to use
> the logo for various purposes, including selling GNOME-branded
> merchandise.  Our current guidelines do not provide much information
> to make it easy for people to understand
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Brian


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Re: Enquiry About Your Site

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

On 11/3/09 5:26 AM, "Andre Klapper"  wrote:
>
> That looks a lot like spam.

+1


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Re: Marketing Hackfest

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

Unfortunately, I have a prior commitment to be in Seoul, Korea that week. =/


On 10/12/09 7:45 AM, "Paul Cutler"  wrote:

> Good morning Marketing team!
> 
> We are finalizing plans for a Marketing hackfest in Chicago, IL USA on
> November 10th and 11th (Tues and Wed).
> 
> Google has been gracious to host us (and provide lunch!) and Novell has
> donated money to help fund the hackfest.
> 
> If you're interested in attending please let us know as soon as possible.
> 
> We don't have a formal agenda (yet) but are hoping to work on conference and
> presentation materials such as the Event box email thread from over the
> weekend, the website, GNOME 3.0 marketing campaign, the GNOME website, case
> studies and more.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 

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Re: FOSDEM & GNOME Booth & fugure events

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

It was, as I recall, next to invisible.

The venue for FOSDEM is, in its way, sort of terrible, especially for
booths. The university is really much too small for the event; as a result,
the hallways (where the booths are generally set up) is constantly
jam-packed. Actually getting to a booth of interest could be challenging. I
had a long chat with Shane and Adriaan, and I was obliged to sit in the
FSF-E booth for it...


On 9/28/09 1:11 PM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> Was anyone at FOSDEM? Can you comment on the GNOME booth?
> 
> I heard it wasn't great. I noticed the Event Box wasn't used,
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEventsBox.
> 
> I was wondering how it really went and if it didn't go as well as it could
> have, what we can do to improve in the future. One thing I think we could do
> is decide which events we'd like to see GNOME at and make sure that there are
> enough people there to man a booth and make sure they know about the event
> box.
> 
> Stormy
> 
> 
> 

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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

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On 9/22/09 7:01 AM, "Murray Cumming"  wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 17:07 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
>> A few people have recently complained to the board that the GNOME
>> community sometimes does not always follow these recommendations.
> 
> And they always will complain and they will always be a significant
> minority. And most of the rest of us will just continue to be annoyed by
> it until they stop. The board has better things to do.

What _he_ said.



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Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

"Access your freedom! Use GNOME!"


On 9/18/09 8:12 PM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> Get Freedom with GNOME?
> 
> Stormy
> 
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Pockey Lam  wrote:
>> Dear Stormy,
>> 
>> I vote for Freedom with GNOME too,
>> 
>> but a minor suggestion, can we add a "call for action" in the slogan?
>> like
>> 
>> Step into Freedom with GNOME?
>> 
>> step into maybe a bit long, but any "1"  word means the same? :)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Pockey
>> 
>> On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 10:24 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
>>> I vote for Freedom with GNOME.
>>> 
>>> My second choice would be something with a subtitle. Discover GNOME:
>>> Your Free Desktop. I'm not sure I'd use the word accessible in the
>>> title. At least in English it's not an easy word to say.
>>> 
>>> And obviously I'd like to defer to people that know the local language
>>> and culture ...
>>> 
>>> Stormy
>>> 
>>> P.S. Brian, I think we could add the word software to your title, and
>>> don't forget usability! "Discover Accessing Freedom With Easy-to-Use
>>> GNOME - Your Free Software Desktop"
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Brian Cameron 
>>> wrote:
 
 Emily:
 
 How about "Discover Accessing Freedom With GNOME - Your Desktop"
 
 Just joking.
 
 Brian
 
 
> 1. Discover GNOME 3.0
> 2. Discover GNOME
> 3. Discover GNOME - Your Accessible Desktop
> 4. Discover GNOME - The Accessible Desktop
> 5. Discover GNOME - Access Your Desktop
> 6. Access Your Desktop - Discover GNOME
> 7. Discover your desktop with GNOME
> 8. Access your desktop with GNOME
> 9. GNOME your desktop
> 10.Freedom with GNOME
>     more ...
> 
> Thanks,
> Emily
> 
> 
 
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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

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On 9/18/09 3:40 PM, "Andre Klapper"  wrote:

> Am Freitag, den 18.09.2009, 17:07 -0500 schrieb Brian Cameron:
>> The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term
>> "GNU/Linux" instead of the term "Linux", and also discourages referring
>> to free software and licenses as "open source".
> 
>> Thoughts?
> 
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy
> 
> My very personal opinion: There's a reality out there, and there's the
> fundamentalists of the FSF. I prefer reality.

I'm not in favor of complicating terminology, especially when it makes life
more involved and in need of explanation. I don't want to be talking to a
reporter and find myself being asked: "I've heard of _Linux_... What's
_GNU/Linux_?"

I don't feel obligated to support this FSF's reasoning (with which I happen
to disagree) in this matter. Let's not (again) make the sort of mistake of
"marketing to ourselves" that I talked about at GCDS: this brouhaha over
names, which is really about who's getting credit, means less than nothing
to the world at large, the folks to whom we _should_ be marketing.

If the FSF can somehow persuade people at large to start calling it
"GNU/Linux" after having failed to do so for going on two decades, fine, but
I don't see that we need to stake that position out for our own. Similarly,
I'd be very unhappy if we were to make the term "open source" unwelcome.

I'm more than happy to keep good relations with the FSF, all other things
being equal, but if becoming a subscriber to terminology wars--something
which, again, means nothing to our "target audience"--then I wonder whether
"all other things are equal"...


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Re: marketing hackfest?

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

It¹s looking like I¹m going to be in Tokyo around that time, unfortunately.


On 9/17/09 9:16 AM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> There might be an opportunity to have a marketing hackfest around the Boston
> Summit time frame. If so, who would be interested in coming? Would you be able
> to make it to the Boston Summit?
> 
> I think it would be an excellent opportunity to kick off a lot of the projects
> we've been talking about from a press kit, to information for people going to
> events, to a CRM system, to the case studies, ...
> 
> (I personally can not make it to the Boston Summit but I could come out the
> day/week after.)
> 
> Stormy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: GUADEC coverage

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

I could probably demand that, but it’s going to have explanation of GUADEC
and KDE, “Why Community Is Important”, etc.


On 7/24/09 11:28 AM, "Paul Cutler"  wrote:

> Lefty,
> 
> Any chance it's the blog post is under a CC license, and would you be
> interested in adding it to GNOME Journal?? (GJ is currently under a CC BY-SA
> 2.0 license).
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Lefty (石鏡 )  wrote:
>> I'm writing up an article, for non-FLOSS savvy audiences, for the LiMo
>> Foundation blog right now.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/24/09 10:53 AM, "Behnam Esfahbod "ZWNJ""  wrote:
>> 
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I got asked by a couple of people. ?Is anyone on the marketing team
>>> working on
>>> > doing any post-event coverage of GUADEC/GCDS?
>>> >
>>> > behdad
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Re: GUADEC coverage

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

I'm writing up an article, for non-FLOSS savvy audiences, for the LiMo
Foundation blog right now.


On 7/24/09 10:53 AM, "Behnam Esfahbod "ZWNJ""  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I got asked by a couple of people.  Is anyone on the marketing team working on
> doing any post-event coverage of GUADEC/GCDS?
> 
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Re: Friends of GNOME subscription enhancements

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

Sorry, my bad. I’m catching up with email after fighting off a
post-Gran-Canaria bug. Inverse in-box problem, if you know what I mean.

I sincerely apologize, and will endeavor not to repeat this irresponsible
behavior in the future... =D


On 7/21/09 3:45 PM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> That kind of misses the point of the experiment that Andre pointed to where
> "you should" made a big difference.
> 
> http://dustincurtis.com/you_should_follow_me_on_twitter.html
> 
> Stormy
> 
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Lefty (石鏡 )  wrote:
>> One minor tweak, perhaps.
>> 
>> I’m not so happy with the “You should”, myself, on two counts:
>> 
>> “Donate! Become a Friend of GNOME and help provide a free desktop for all
>> users!” 
>> 
>> gets rid of two unnecessary words, and “should” for me has a connotation of
>> obligation, and invites me to think “Well, I know I should, but...” They know
>> they’re “you”; don’t tell ‘em what they should do―they don’t do what they
>> should do all day long, and so do I―tell ‘em what to do.
>> 
>> (Also, I like a stress―italicized?--on the word “all”. There’s an important
>> subtext in there, in terms of localization, of accessibility, etc. Maybe
>> we’ll even get that gender-neutral-ish equal-opportunity-ish thing working
>> sometime. Shoot me now.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/21/09 3:20 PM, "Paul Cutler" > <http://pcut...@gnome.org> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Correct grammar should be:
>>> 
>>> "Donate!? You should become a Friend of GNOME and help provide a free
>>> desktop for all users."
>>> 
>>> Sometimes it's the little things.? :)
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson >> <http://nisses.m...@home.se> > wrote:
>>>>  ?
>>>> On 07/21/2009 11:31 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Andre Klapper >>>> <http://ak...@gmx.net> > wrote:
>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Am Dienstag, den 21.07.2009, 14:47 -0600 schrieb Stormy Peters:
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> > "Donate to help support the GNOME Foundation's goal to provide a free
>>>>>>> > desktop for all users - become a Friend of GNOME"
>>>>>>> > or
>>>>>>> > "Donate - help support the GNOME Foundation's goal to provide a free
>>>>>>> > desktop for all users - become a Friend of GNOME"
>>>>>>> > or it could go in the title:
>>>>>>> > "Donate - Become a Friend of GNOME!"
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Pardon that I don't remember who blogged/twittered/ed about
>>>>>> ?http://dustincurtis.com/you_should_follow_me_on_twitter.html in the last
>>>>>> days so I can't give credits.
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Proposal:
>>>>>> "Donate! - You should become a Friend of GNOME and help providing a free
>>>>>> desktop for all users."
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's try it!
>>>>> ?
>>>>> ?
>>>> Heh, sounds brave and crazy. Done!
>>>> - Andreas
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Re: Friends of GNOME subscription enhancements

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

One minor tweak, perhaps.

I¹m not so happy with the ³You should², myself, on two counts:

³Donate! Become a Friend of GNOME and help provide a free desktop for all
users!² 

gets rid of two unnecessary words, and ³should² for me has a connotation of
obligation, and invites me to think ³Well, I know I should, but...² They
know they¹re ³you²; don¹t tell Œem what they should do‹they don¹t do what
they should do all day long, and so do I‹tell Œem what to do.

(Also, I like a stress‹italicized?--on the word ³all². There¹s an important
subtext in there, in terms of localization, of accessibility, etc. Maybe
we¹ll even get that gender-neutral-ish equal-opportunity-ish thing working
sometime. Shoot me now.)




On 7/21/09 3:20 PM, "Paul Cutler"  wrote:

> Correct grammar should be:
> 
> "Donate!  You should become a Friend of GNOME and help provide a free
> desktop for all users."
> 
> Sometimes it's the little things.  :)
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Andreas Nilsson  wrote:
>>   
>> On 07/21/2009 11:31 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Andre Klapper  wrote:
>>>  
 Am Dienstag, den 21.07.2009, 14:47 -0600 schrieb Stormy Peters:
  
> > "Donate to help support the GNOME Foundation's goal to provide a free
> > desktop for all users - become a Friend of GNOME"
> > or
> > "Donate - help support the GNOME Foundation's goal to provide a free
> > desktop for all users - become a Friend of GNOME"
> > or it could go in the title:
> > "Donate - Become a Friend of GNOME!"
  
  
 Pardon that I don't remember who blogged/twittered/ed about
  http://dustincurtis.com/you_should_follow_me_on_twitter.html in the last
 days so I can't give credits.
  
 Proposal:
 "Donate! - You should become a Friend of GNOME and help providing a free
 desktop for all users."
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Let's try it!
>>>  
>>>  
>> Heh, sounds brave and crazy. Done!
>> - Andreas
>> 
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Re: Friend of GNOME Amazon store

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

I like. +1


On 7/15/09 2:55 PM, "Behnam Esfahbod "ZWNJ""  wrote:

> On 07/06/2009 06:45 PM, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote:
> 
>> Another idea could be to open Friend of GNOME amazon store. I've made
>> one as an example on http://gnome.haitsma.org/friends/amazon/
>> If we motivate people to use that store to buy their books, dvds,
>> computers etc. the foundation can also raise significant money.
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> behdad
> 
>> What do you think of this?
>> 
>> Jaap
>> 
>> 
>> [1] 
>> https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/agreement?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_t=
>> 501&ref_=amb_link_84018271_6&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=&pf_rd_s=assoc-rig
>> ht-1&pf_rd_r=&pf_rd_i=assoc_join_menu
>> [2] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2009-July/msg2.html
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Re: GNOME Marketing kick-off brainstorming event at Collaboration Summit?

[David "Lefty" Schlesinger]

I am indeed planning on being at the Collab Summit, and yes, I¹d be
interested in participating


On 1/27/09 1:10 PM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> Will you (or could you be) at the Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit?
> 
> I'd like to have a brainstorming/kickoff event for GNOME Marketing team. I'd
> like to talk about:
> * Who are target audiences are.
> * How we define GNOME to those audiences. (I think "What is GNOME?" is a
> marketing question we desperately need to solve.)
> * 
> * What we'd like those audiences to do. (Use GNOME, spread the word?, build it
> into their products, give us money, ???)
> * 
> * What we'd like to stand for.
> * How we plan to get the message out.
> * Strategies to reach those audiences/markets in 2009.
> * Anything else we should talk about?
> 
> Are you interested in participating? Can you participate at the Linux
> Foundation Collaboration Summit,
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit?
> 
> I look forward to hearing from you, whether or not you can attend.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Stormy
> 
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Re: Google Adsense versus Adwords

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

+1 from me, given that it's a grant... $329 a day is actually quite
generous...


On 5/24/09 9:37 AM, "Behnam Esfahbod "ZWNJ""  wrote:

> +1 from me too.  I did this once before.  Not rocket science :).
> 
> behdad
> 
> On 05/24/2009 09:10 AM, Stormy Peters wrote:
>> When I asked Google about an adsense account (which enables you to put
>> Google ads on your website and get compensated for them) they mentioned
>> the AdWords grant program to me. AdWords lets you advertise your site
>> via google ads on other people's sites, including Google Search.
>> 
>> The AdWords grant program offers free AdWords accounts to nonprofits:
>> (You get a daily budget of $329.)
>> http://www.google.com/grants/
>> 
>> However, you can't have an AdSense account too.
>> 
>> Since we are conflicted about ads, and much more likely to reach
>> agreement on specific company ads than general google ads, I recommend
>> we apply for a Google AdWords grant.
>> 
>> If we get it, is there anyone with experience in AdWords, SEO or
>> advertising that would like to help run it? (The application itself
>> requires just a few things like target audience and sample campaign
>> slogans that we'd need to think about.)
>> 
>> Thoughts? All for applying for a free AdWords account?
>> 
>> Stormy
>> 
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Dave Neary > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Stormy Peters wrote:
>>> I agree that if it's even a percentage of that, it might be worth it.
>>> 
>>> What would people think of trying it out for a couple of months? We
>>> could start with Google ads to see how well ads work and once we
>> have an
>>> idea of how much to expect, we could solicit ads directly from
>> companies.
>> 
>> One important thing to bear in mind (and I'm digging into second-hand
>> memory banks here) is whether this would affect our relationship with
>> the various companies who donate bandwidth & hosting services. I don't
>> think OSU OSL has any issue with this, but IIRC, hosting in Red Hat's
>> colo had a "no ads" condition attached.
>> 
>> Worth investigating, at least - if we end up with $150K advertising
>> revenues a year and an extra $300K hosting costs to pay, it would be a
>> bad deal.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>> 
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Re: Viadeo/LinkedIn/Facebook/Plaxo fundraising

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

Seems to work.


On 2/25/09 7:43 AM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> It took me a bit of digging to find the link to create a Birthday Wish to
> support a cause:
> 
> http://apps.facebook.com/causes/birthdays/new?m=70fd4329
> 
> (You will also need to join the Support GNOME cause to select GNOME,
> http://apps.facebook.com/causes/196978?m=8437b555.)
> 
> Who wants to try it first?
> 
> Stormy
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Stormy Peters wrote:
>>> > Sounds like a great idea.
>>> >
>>> > Was the custom page a Facebook page?
>> 
>> Yeah - related to the cause.
>> http://apps.facebook.com/causes/birthdays/51583?m=058e3e67
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>> 
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Re: Integrating testimonials in GNOME's web pages

[Lefty]

I might be able to get something together over the weekend: I'm tied up
with Linuxworld this week...


Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just came across the db4o page (they won an award recently) and saw
> their "About" page: http://www.db4o.com/about/
> 
> All down the left they have links to testimonials with impressive
> looking quotes - 4 stories, but each is compelling, and has an
> impressive company name behind it.
> 
> We probably have the raw material for something like this right now,
> with GNOME Mobile members (see for example
> http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/gmae-quotesheet.html), distributions
> (see http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/gnome10years.html), and of
> course with http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/GnomeTestimonials,
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeReviews and
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/GnomeDeployments
> 
> Strange, for me these are the compelling stories of GNOME marketing, but
> every time I look it seems like they're harder to navigate to and
> further away from the front page. It's like we're trying to hide all of
> the good things people are saying about us.
> 
> Does anyone have time to perhaps distil all this material down to 2 or 3
> really compelling stories & quotes, plus a supporting page, with tight
> prose & maybe some photos? If someone comes up with the roght HTML &
> layout, I'll make sure it gets into svn.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave.
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Intro

[Lefty]

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Hi, I've just joined the gnome-web and marketing lists. For folks who
haven't met me, I'm David Schlesinger (generally known as "Lefty"),
director of Open Source Technologies for ACCESS Co., Ltd.

In discussions at GUADEC last week, the need to refresh and regularly
update the GNOME Mobile pages came up, and I've volunteered to help out
with that. I'm going to need SVN update access to the gnomeweb-wml
project at some point in order to do this, but my initial request was
rejected... =(

Anyway, I figure we'll get that sorted out...

I've also put myself onto the "Press" list. In my position at ACCESS, I
regularly act as a corporate spokesperson, briefing media and analysts,
I've had media training, and regularly appear on panels and such...
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