Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Are You A Socialist? | Personality Quiz
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[Marxism] Fwd: Are You A Socialist? | Personality Quiz
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[Marxism] Fwd: Protests escalating by Miners in West Ukraine | Ukraine solidarity campaign солідарність України кампанія
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Re: [Marxism] Greece: leaving the euro?
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In my visit to Greece a while ago, I had the opportunity to meet with some
Greek economists, including one who has a high position in the Government.
They told me that the exit from the Euro came from Papandreau to frighten
voters about the prospect of a Syriza victory. That was not their
intention.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism
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Opinion: Time for Greece to plan its exodus from the euro
Athens has no leverage in debt negotiations without a 'Plan B'
by Darrell Delamaide, Political Capital column
MarketWatch [Dow Jones subsidiary]
March 6, 2015
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Greece must now plan on a way to exit the
euro if it is to have any chance of staying.
This is not a conundrum; it is the way negotiation works.
The new government of Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras was forced to
backtrack last month on its election pledges to get its foreign debt
reduced and reverse austerity because it had no plausible alternative
to European Union intransigence on extending the bailout.
{The strategy of hoping to achieve radical change within the
institutional framework of the common currency has come to an end.
Costas Lapavitsas}
The only viable alternative would be to exit the euro, default on the
debt and suffer the consequences, and Athens was not ready to do that.
This Plan B cannot be a bluff and at this point it is better than
even odds it will be the plan Greece will have to follow.
Tsipras and his finance minister, Yannis Varoufakis, have so far
argued in their Plan A that Greece can stay in the euro, but pinned
that belief on Germany and other EU members being reasonable.
Germany -- as well as the European Commission, the European Central
Bank, and the International Monetary Fund -- made it amply clear in the
initial round of negotiations that they have no intention of being
reasonable in the way Tsipras and Varoufakis believe they should.
It was always a fairly delusional assumption that German leaders would
suddenly see the light and embrace an enlightened Keynesian solution
to the economic and social crisis in Greece. Berlin and Brussels
remain pitiless and more convinced than ever of the rightness of their
destructive neoliberal policies.
The only way Greece can regain its sovereignty -- which is essentially
what Tsipras's Syriza party pledged to voters in its rise to power --
is to reclaim its sovereign rights, and especially control of its
currency and banking system.
The consequences of defaulting on the country's debt would be
dramatic, but relatively short-lived compared to the guaranteed
long-term misery of the EU austerity program.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/time-for-greece-to-plan-its-exodus-from-the-euro-2015-03-06
Greece: the Rocky Road Ahead
by Cillian Doyle
Counterpunch
March 6, 2014
. . .
So when Syriza and its creditors sit down around the table they will
need to show that this time they are determined to end the condition
of debt slavery within the Eurozone or without. They will only be able
to win the kind of debt restructuring that Varoufakis has spoken of if
they have a viable Grexit strategy which the European establishment
believes they are prepared to use. Even mainstream figures like Paul
Krugman have posed the pertinent question 'What freedom of movement
does a Greek government have if it is not prepared to leave the
Eurozone?
There are huge risks involved in this, something that the Syriza
leadership will be well aware of. But if they cannot convince or
coerce their creditors into some kind of debt forgiveness then they
may figure that the risk of Grexit is worth the reward if the
alternative is decades of debt and deflation.
So whilst Syriza may never have had a mandate for Grexit, their
attention must now turn towards winning one.
. . .
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/06/greece-the-rocky-road-ahead
Ending austerity in Greece: time for plan B?
by Jerome Roos
ROAR magazine
February 26, 2015
. . .
The most important challenge, in this respect, will not necessarily be
economic in nature but rather social, political and psychological.
Before Greece can ever be liberated from its state of debt servitude
and its plight of permanent austerity, its government will first need
to be in a
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Leninism? | rs21
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I think Charlie Post's treatment of Leninism is pretty good on the whole, but it does contain a couple factual errors: 1)Charlie seems to think that the Comintern did not advocate a party of a new type until after Lenin's death, or during his fatal illness in 1923. Actually, the hyper-centralized, disciplined party that came to be known as Leninist dates from the 21 conditions of admission to the Comintern, adopted in 1920. The reason for insisting on quasi-military discipline was to ready Communist parties for what was thought to be the immediate task of taking power. 2) Charlie writes that Lenin's concept of the revolutionary democratic dictatorship of the proletariat and peasantry was never formally renounced by Lenin or the Bolsheviks. Not so, as the following quotation from Lenin's *Letters on Tactics *(April, 1917) attests: The person who *now* speaks only of a “revolutionary democratic dictatorship of the proletariat and the peasantry” is behind the times, consequently, he has in effect *gone over* to the petty bourgeoisie against the proletarian class struggle; that person should be consigned to the archive of “Bolshevik” pre-revolutionary antiques (it may be called the archive of “old Bolsheviks”) Jim Creegan. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Charles Post, very wrong on capitalism and slavery but quite good on Leninism. http://rs21.org.uk/2015/03/08/leninism-2/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ options/marxism/sectarian61%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] El Salvador: Left wins national elections
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The ruling FMLN also announced it won a legislative majority in the National Assembly and the Central American Parliament. The FMLN said, with the mayoralities it won, it would now govern areas covering more than 65% of the population, compared to 45% in the past. https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/58469 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Bolivia's fast growing economy fuelled by social spending
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[Marxism] ACTIVIST NEWSLETTER
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[Marxism] Five detained in Moscow over Nemtsov murder, a sixth suspect blows himself up
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[Marxism] Impending Labor Strike at NYU (forward spread, esp in the New York area)
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * *Some items related to what may be an imminent labor strike of graduate student worker union, GSOC-UAW 2110 at New York University:* Union responds to mass-mailed mischaracterizations from NYU Administration to student body: http://www.makingabetternyu.org/gsocuaw/2015/03/06/gsoc-responds-to-nyu-public-mischaracterizations/ Sign forward this petition: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/New_York_University_Board_of_Trustees_Prioritize_the_needs_of_students_and_employees/?cogeLfb *Original e-mail from GSOC Bargaining Committee* Dear all, * https://www.facebook.com/nyuawdu/photos/a.777110242328413.1073741830.774068465965924/871390896233680/?type=1theater* **GSOC WEEKEND UPDATE* https://www.facebook.com/nyuawdu/photos/a.777110242328413.1073741830.774068465965924/871390896233680/?type=1theater* We are diligently preparing for our March 10 strike deadline. Organizing is in full force. http://www.makingabetternyu.org/gsocuaw/wp-content/uploads/2015strike_statementbyleaders.pdf The fabric is bought, the stencils are made https://www.facebook.com/nyuawdu/photos/a.777110242328413.1073741830.774068465965924/870987546274015/?type=1theater, but NYU can still do the right thing and provide its workers with fair annual increases , healthcare, family benefits, and a shorter-term contract length. #NYUitsonyou https://twitter.com/search?q=nyuitsonyousrc=typd If NYU fails to deliver (as if #NYUsobroke https://twitter.com/search?q=nyusobrokesrc=typd), our bargaining committee is prepared to call for a March 10-13 strike, that is a full graduate work stoppage. In addition to not performing our work duties, we will see you all and our allies at the picket line on Tuesday, at 11am, at Bobst Library https://www.facebook.com/events/456276244527992/, Wed at 11am for a teach-in, and at Poly from 2-5pm, Thurs 10:30am at Bobst, and Friday TBD. We as, NYU graduate workers and GSOC members have an outpouring of support from our faculty, https://docs.google.com/forms/d/111l4WVKfq2Citst9EhmWD6ADB9siYgFp3AOYsUydJcU/viewform undergraduate http://students4gsocstrike.tumblr.com/ students https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfBe-N5bVZVZPrj7ALXT2dlUR9hfDZTNu1HF5PTh2So/edit, and labor unions https://www.facebook.com/gsocuaw2110/photos/a.183970115012068.45402.125848607490886/787639744645099/?type=1theater such as the Teamsters who will not cross our picket lines. Tomorrow is an important night, and we encourage our supporters and allies to join us [Monday, 3/9] 8pm for a dessert potluck and work-in https://www.facebook.com/events/1568879103361022/ during the mediation session. Otherwise please rest up, and if it comes to it, see you at the picket line on Tuesday morning at 11am at Bobst. Deepest gratitude to all of you for your hard work and support. Solidarity, Natasha, Shelly, Ella, David, Ayesha GSOC-UAW Bargaining Committee http://www.makingabetternyu.org/gsocuaw/our-people/ NYU Academic Workers for a Democratic Union http://www.nyuawdu.com/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] International Women's Days and female doctors being raped at work in Australia
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[Marxism] Fwd: Leninism? | rs21
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Re: [Marxism] Greek Prospects
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Mar 8, 2015, at 8:46 AM, James Creegan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: I do, however, see the possibilities for a major radicalization. ... Such a radicalization would probably involve a Grexit and despotic inroads on capitalist property, which would in turn require a mass initiative and the dual power institutions necessary to sustain it. How long such an unstable situation could persist is unknowable in advance. Iran? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Greek Prospects
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Since Louis Proyect seems incapable of providing any clear statement of his own perspectives on the Greek situation, I will reply to the only person who has done us the favor of stating his views , namely, Marv Gandall, who wrote on March 7: Marv Gandall wrote on 7 March While I'm a great deal more respectful of James Creegan than Is Louis Proyect, I'm in agreement with Louis' focus on the relationship of forces - for me, the central issue in any political conflict - and it seems to me the onus is on Jim to provide some answers. What evidence is there that the Greek and European working class is now prepared to break with electoral politics and establish structures of dual power, as in Russia in 1917? What is their current state of combativity and consciousness? Is there any indicatiion of mutinous sentiments in the armed forces and other repressive state agencies? Jim wants Syriza or forces to its left to prepare the masses for an insurrection, utilizing transitional demands, but is there any doubt that the Greek military and bourgeoisie, backed by NATO, would quickly move to crush any incipient movement in this direction before it could gain any traction? The likelier outcome would be Hungary and Germany 1919 rather than Russia 1917 in circumstances which are far less favorable than those which faced Bela Kun and Karl Liebknecht. Unless circumstances change radically, the most that can be expected, alas, is some loosening of the austerity straight jacket squeezing the working class in Greece and other European debt colonies by a ruling class which has concluded that modest concessions are necessary in the interest of political stability and economic recovery. *** The first thing that strikes me about Marv's thinking is its fatalistic objectivism, which takes present mass consciousness as an immutable given, leaving no role for leftwing agency. To my thinking, if the awareness of the people is inadequate to the existing situation--which in Greece I think it definitely is at the moment--then it is the role of leftists to look for ways to bring subjective awareness up to the level of objective necessity. In my view, the possibilities for overcoming the gap between consciousness and reality are greater in Greece today than they have been in any Western country for a long time due to three circumstances: 1) the people have already taken the momentous step of upending a normal pro-status quo political duopoly; 2) a leftwing party is now in control of the government, giving it an unprecedented ability to shape public opinion (a bully pulpit, in the current cliche); 3) the hopes with which perhaps most people voted for Syriza--that it would roll back austerity and stay in the Eurozone at the same time by means of negotiation with the institutions--have now been clearly exposed by the first round of talks as a dead end. People will be casting about for a new course of action. My main fear is that the Syriza leadership will fail to utilize these opportunities because it is paralyzed by thinking akin to Marv Gandall's. Ever since the neoliberal onslaught and the fall of the USSR, broad sections of the left have abandoned any hope of revolutionary change in favor of restoring the liberal Keyensian policies that prevailed during the glorious thirty postwar years. The route to such a restoration seems to be convincing more enlightened policy makers that neoliberalism is bad for capitalism, and that they should adopt policies aimed at stimulating consumer demand. The more radical neo-Keynesians usually add that such persuasion must be supplemented by popular pressure. Marv seems to partake of this 'post-soviet realism'. Having written off any prospect of challenging capitalism, he seems to be pinning his hopes on a realization by more enlightened bourgeois circles that neoliberal policies are not pulling the Europe out of the economic doldrums. He sees as encouraging signs the adoption of some 'quantitative easing' (i.e. printing money) by the ECB, and suggestions from Hollande and Renzi that Merkel Co. might want to go a little easier on their austerity demands. In some other epoch, under much different circumstances--goes the thinking of Marv and many others--we might be revolutionary Marxists. For the here and now, however, there is no alternative (sound familiar?) but to follow the Krugman/Stieglitz/(Jamie) Galbraith line. I consider this line of reasoning even more quixotic than the thinking of those (like me) who aim for a revival of revolutionary consciousness. I won't say that a return of the welfare state is absolutely impossible. Past proclamations concerning
Re: [Marxism] Greek Prospects
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * An effort of the sort Creegan proposes may be found here: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/04.htm The material reality now is no parallel; however this is one example of previous work by leftists to bring subjective awareness up to the level of objective necessity. T -Original Message- From: James Creegan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Mar 8, 2015 11:46 AM To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net Subject: [Marxism] Greek Prospects The first thing that strikes me about Marv's thinking is its fatalistic objectivism, which takes present mass consciousness as an immutable given, leaving no role for leftwing agency. To my thinking, if the awareness of the people is inadequate to the existing situation--which in Greece I think it definitely is at the moment--then it is the role of leftists to look for ways to bring subjective awareness up to the level of objective necessity. Jim Creegan -- http://www.avast.com/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/thomasfbarton%40earthlink.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greek Prospects
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * You need to provide empirical data - polls, demonstrations, strikes - as evidence of a major radicalization, including a qualitative increase of support by Greeks for a Euroexit as a Plan B option, let alone workplace occupations and dual power. Marxists understand this to be necessary, but it must translate into mass consciousness and mass action, otherwise it's merely idealism. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:46 AM, James Creegan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: . I do not, as Marv, says, think an insurrection is an immediate possibility in Greece (apart from the fact that an insurrection against a leftwing government doesn't exactly make sense). I do, however, see the possibilities for a major radicalization. The alternative is continued poverty and debt peonage. Such a radicalization would probably involve a Grexit and despotic inroads on capitalist property, which would in turn require a mass initiative and the dual power institutions necessary to sustain it. How long such an unstable situation could persist is unknowable in advance. The important thing now is to orient the leadership of the left toward the necessity of pursuing such a course, even if it means a split with those elements of the Syriza leadership that are committed (as I believe Tsipras and Varoufakis probably are) to remaining within the bounds of what is acceptable to the bourgeoisie. Will such an initiative go down to defeat? Perhaps. But it seems to me that revolutionaries are more in the business of pursuing possibilities than calculating probabilities. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
