Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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HI tony. 

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>>Tony
>
>On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Lüko Willms
>
>wrote:
>
> >
> > Look up Karl Liebknecht on this topic,
> > >
> 
> >https://www.marxists.org/archive/liebknecht-k/works/1915/05/main-enemy-home.htm
> >
> > > The main enemy of every people is in their own country!
> >
>
>Clay writes in reply:
>
> >Does that apply to the people of Libya and Syria too, or were they
>expected
> >to put up with fascist dictatorships in the interest of "The
>Resistance?"
>
> >I don't think anybody is arguing that US imperialism isn't our
>main enemy.
> >We're just internationalist who believe we should support the
>Libyan and
> >Syrian people in their struggles against their main enemies.
>
> >That's what I mean by,
>
> >In Solidarity,
>
> >Cla 
>
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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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>HI tony. 
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> We in imperialquagm...@yahoogroups.com are the largest English language 
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> anti-imperial fronts.
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>in control nearly everywhere else. We are half Arab out of 420 currently.
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[Marxism] Nauru: the horrific war on refugee women

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Nauru: the horrific war on refugee women

With news coming through that Australia's Immigration Minister Peter 
Dutton today said that 'the federal government would not be 
"blackmailed" into allowing pregnant asylum seekers at Nauru's detention 
centre into Australia for medical treatment', I revisited Ian Rintoul's 
article on the war on refugee women on Nauru. Writing a week ago in the 
magazine of the revolutionary socialist organisation Solidarity, Ian 
says, among other things:


'The shocking ABC 7.30 story highlighted just two rapes of Somali women. 
There are many more. Women freed to live in the community are now the 
victims of a reign of terror supported by the policies of the Australian 
and Nauruan governments. There were serious illusions that new Prime 
Minister Malcolm Turnbull would at least modify offshore processing—but 
the gloss is quickly wearing off... Nauru is not even a gilded cage—it 
is a house of horrors. Both Manus and Nauru must be closed.'


To read the whole article click here. 
http://enpassant.com.au/2015/10/15/nauru-the-horrific-war-on-refugee-women/


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[Marxism] Fwd: Interview: Gilbert Achcar on the Russian military operation in Syria | LeftEast

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http://www.criticatac.ro/lefteast/interview-gilbert-achcar-on-russian-military-operation-in-syria/
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The left can oppose Russian intervention in Syria without capitulating to our own rulers | REDFLAG

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On 10/15/15 1:20 AM, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:

   The Krim peninsula has been ruled by Moscow since the 18th century, except 
for the short span of 23 years after the dismemberment of the Soviet Union and 
the separation of Ukraine.


So was Ukraine until 1991.
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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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Given the massive US and proxy interventions, anything from the original 
'spontaneous' uprising in March 2011 has been drowned, literally, in TOW 
missiles and foreign mercenaries with unlimited cash..what Syrians are involved 
are members of Assad's government that thought he'd quickly go the way of 
Khadafy, and quickly signed up with what they thought would soon be the winning 
side. 

Whether there was ever an unarmed demonstration that allegedly Assad's forces 
fired on, or whether the US and Britain fomented and infiltrated and provided 
weapons right from the beginning, is an open question given what we can glean 
from abroad.

But whether or not there ever was such an unarmed, 'spontaneous' civilian 
opposition, , hey, it's LONG gone at this point.  The FSA, according to 
Franklin Lamb, who has spent a lot of time in Syria and speaks the language, is 
mostly viewed now by Syrians  as agents of Turkey.


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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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On 10/15/15 8:25 AM, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:


But whether or not there ever was such an unarmed, 'spontaneous'
civilian opposition, , hey, it's LONG gone at this point.  The FSA,
according to Franklin Lamb, who has spent a lot of time in Syria and
speaks the language, is mostly viewed now by Syrians  as agents of
Turkey.


If you plan on participating on Marxmail except to fish for people to 
add to your mailing list, it would be a good idea to invoke authorities 
with a bit more credibility. Lamb is a long-term partisan of Hizbollah, 
which he would be happy to admit.


In terms of the enemy being at home, does that mean we should join some 
rally organized by UNAC in Washington demanding "No Tow Missiles", where 
we can see a bunch of people carrying big pictures of Bashar al-Assad as 
is customary in such ranks?



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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Lüko Willms 
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> Look up Karl Liebknecht on this topic,
> >
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/liebknecht-k/works/1915/05/main-enemy-home.htm
>
> >  The main enemy of every people is in their own country!
>

Does that apply to the people of Libya and Syria too, or were they expected
to put up with fascist dictatorships in the interest of "The Resistance?"

I don't think anybody is arguing that US imperialism isn't our main enemy.
We're just internationalist who believe we should support the Libyan and
Syrian people in their struggles against their main enemies.

That's what I mean by,

In Solidarity,

Clay
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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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Luko is correct. To the extent that Syria is a proxy war between Russia 
and US we have to want and argue for the defeat of the US. I say that as 
a national of one US ally living in the borders of another US ally.


However the situation in Syria is decidedly messy. I'm not so sure 
Russia and the US are as opposed on this issue as it appeared a couple 
of weeks ago - it disappeared from the front pages very quickly. Look, 
Iran just made a peace deal with the US and now its reportedly massing 
1000s of troops for an assault on Aleppo with air support from Russia. I 
dont believe that the US didnt know this was the plan.


Undoubtedly the kernel of the Syrian Arab Spring is in there somewhere, 
but I dont know how you separate it out from all the other imperial 
interference going on.


Tony

   On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Lüko Willms
   
   wrote:

>
> Look up Karl Liebknecht on this topic,
> >

>https://www.marxists.org/archive/liebknecht-k/works/1915/05/main-enemy-home.htm
>
> > The main enemy of every people is in their own country!
>

Clay writes in reply:

>Does that apply to the people of Libya and Syria too, or were they
   expected
>to put up with fascist dictatorships in the interest of "The
   Resistance?"

>I don't think anybody is arguing that US imperialism isn't our
   main enemy.
>We're just internationalist who believe we should support the
   Libyan and
>Syrian people in their struggles against their main enemies.

>That's what I mean by,

>In Solidarity,

>Cla 



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[Marxism] Turkey: general strike brings life to a halt; HDP raises gov't involvement in bombing

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There was massive participation in the general strike declared by four main
trade unions on October 12-13 in protest at the October 10 massacre in
Ankara.

The strike bought the life to a halt.

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/60320

The following statement was released by *Selahattin Demirtaş* and *Figen
Yüksekdağ*, co-chairs of the Peoples Democratic Party (HDP), on October 12
in response to the October 10 bombing of a peace rally in Ankara organised
by the HDP, trade unions and civil society organisations. Police blocked
ambulances and attacked survivors.

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/60319




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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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Lüko Willms wrote

Since it has become a sport on this mailing list to pinpoint people and powers 
which "join the axis of resistance", i.e. do not submit themselves to the 
imperialist politics of the world dictatorship exercised from Washington, it 
has to be recalled that the revolutionary workers movement has always held high 
the simple truth, that our enemy is at home, is "our" own government and its 
policies. 


Thanks, Luko, you nailed it. Until we figure out our own problems, who are we 
to pontificate (and ad nauseam yet) about others.


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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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Once again, if comrades are not reading syriafreedomforever.wordpress.com
they have no business venturing opinions on the state of the non-Assad,
non-Daesh, non-JAN grassroots in Syria.
Peaceful demonstrations against all reactionaries - including most recently
against Russian aggression - are STILL happening, and never stopped, no
matter how small in scale.
And these are the people who will be massacred should the anticipated
Russia/Iran/Hezbollah/regime attack on Aleppo occur.
THEY NEED OUR SOLIDARITY, the first step in which is acknowledging their
existence and telling the world about them.
As a first step, everyone on this list who is on Facebook or twitter should
post links to Kafranbel banners from this month.

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> Since it has become a sport on this mailing list to pinpoint people and
> powers which "join the axis of resistance", i.e. do not submit themselves
> to the imperialist politics of the world dictatorship exercised from
> Washington, it has to be recalled that the revolutionary workers movement
> has always held hight the simple truth, that our enemy is at home, is "our"
> own government and its policies.
>
> Look up Karl Liebknecht on this topic,
> >
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/liebknecht-k/works/1915/05/main-enemy-home.htm
>
> >  The main enemy of every people is in their own country!
> >
> > The main enemy of the German people is in Germany: German
> > imperialism, the German war party, German secret diplomacy. This
> > enemy at home must be fought by the German people in a political
> > struggle, cooperating with the proletariat of other countries whose
> > struggle is against their own imperialists.
> >
> > We think as one with the German people – we have nothing in common
> > with the German Tirpitzes and Falkenhayns, with the German
> > government of political oppression and social enslavement. Nothing
> > for them, everything for the German people. Everything for the
> > international proletariat, for the sake of the German proletariat and
> downtrodden humanity.
> >
> > The enemies of the working class are counting on the forgetfulness
> > of the masses – provide that that be a grave miscalculation. They
> > are betting on the forbearance of the masses – but we raise the vehement
> cry:
> >
> > How long should the gamblers of imperialism abuse the patience of
> > the people? Enough and more than enough slaughter! Down with the war
> instigators here and abroad!
>
>
> and consider also Lenin's 1916 short article on "German and non-German
> chauvinism",
> > https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/may/31.htm
> of which I allow myself to quote some paragraphs
>
> >  One of the characteristics of German chauvinism is that
> > “socialists” -- socialists in quotation marks -- talk about the
> > independence of nations, except those which are oppressed by their
> > own nation. It does not make much difference whether so directly, or
> > whether they defend, justify and shield those who say it.
> >
> > The German chauvinists (who include Parvus, the publisher of a
> > little magazine, called Die Glocke, among whose contributors are
> > Lensch, Haenisch, Grunwald all the rest of the crew of “socialist”
> > lackeys of German imperialist bourgeoisie) speak at great length and
> > very eagerly, for example, about the independence for the peoples
> > oppressed by Britain. It is not only the social-chauvinists of
> > Germany, i.e., socialists in words, chauvinists in deeds, but the
> > whole bourgeoisie press of Germany that is trumpeting with all its
> > might about the shameful, brutal and reactionary, etc., fashion in
> > which Britain rules her colonies. The German papers write about the
> > liberation movement in India with great gusto, malicious glee, delight
> and rapture.
> >
> > It is easy to see why the German Bourgeoisie is full of malicious
> > joy: it hope to improve its military position by fanning the
> > discontent in the anti-British movement India. These hopes are
> > silly, of course, because it is simply impossible seriously to
> > entertaining the influencing the life of a multi-million people, and
> > a very peculiar people at that, from outside, from afar in a foreign
> > language, particular when the influence is not systematic, but
> 

Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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Undoubtedly, those of us in the US who call ourselves Marxists and
revolutionaries see the US ruling class as the main enemy – but our
internationalism should preclude us from seeing them as the only enemy.
Many who disagree with this found themselves on the side of Stalinism when
the people of East Germany, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia rebelled in
the 1950s and ‘60s. The notion of only criticizing the US rulers seems to
be a perverse variation on “socialism in one country” – “anti-imperialism
in one country.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/putins-model-of-success/2015/10/11/4cb3a592-6dcd-11e5-aa5b-f78a98956699_story.html



For those who defend Syria's Assad, the revolt of masses of Syrian people
against privatization/enrichment of Assad's family members and cronies as
well as neoliberal austerity, elimination of state subsidies of dietary
staples, and his ever-present secret police is not a factor of any
importance. All that matters is what outside geopolitical players' goals
are.



This point of view delegitimizes revolution itself. One can extend it
backwards to "prove" that the American rebels of 1776 - many of whom were
anything but progressives, such as slave owners - were just serving the
interests of Britain's main imperial rival - the French. Similarly, the
Russian Revolution of October 1917 was not a mass uprising against an
imperialist slaughter, poverty, and oppression, but a plot by German
imperialism and their agents - the Bolsheviks - to pull Russia out of the
war and thus enable Germany to escape fighting a two-front war. The
right-wingers insisted decades ago that the Vietnamese were not really
interested in national reunification and land reform, but were the
proxies/stooges of the "international communist conspiracy." This is a
police mentality view of revolution.



Mark Richey writes - “Given the massive US and proxy interventions,
anything from the original 'spontaneous' uprising in March 2011 has been
drowned, literally, in TOW missiles and foreign mercenaries with unlimited
cash..what Syrians are involved are members of Assad's government that
thought he'd quickly go the way of Khadafy, and quickly signed up with what
they thought would soon be the winning side.” Notice the word spontaneous
in quotes, implying that what is seen as a popular revolt that Marxists
would welcome was nothing more than Syrian dupes following US orders, and
slandering Syrian military people who refused to shoot down their own
people as nothing more than slimy opportunists going along with the
prevailing political winds.



As soon as the (at first peaceful) protests against Assad started, he
violently attacked them, and a section of his military - refusing to shoot
their own people - deserted. He amnestied over 1000 extremist jihadists and
his military concentrated on fighting the rebels who were either secular or
allied with them. These are the same people that Russia is bombing today,
hoping to eliminate them as a factor and then present the world with
"either Assad or ISIS". The situation is more complex than this false
black/white picture.



The US position for the past several years has been Assadism without Assad.
That is why they have consistently refused weaponry to the rebels to shoot
down Assad's jets as they drop cluster bombs. That is why the rebels can't
take out helicopters dropping barrel bombs. US inaction on this score,
their refusal to back up words with deeds, is what counts, not neocon
rhetoric. Assad supported the illegal 2003 US destruction of Iraq and he
willingly served as a torturer for victims of CIA kidnappings. But as long
as the superficial formula of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” prevails
among the left, none of that seems to matter. As an internationalist, I
oppose those whose slogan has been, “Assad or we burn the country!”

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> Once again, if comrades are not reading syriafreedomforever.wordpress.com
> they have no business venturing opinions on the state of the non-Assad,
> non-Daesh, non-JAN grassroots in Syria.
> Peaceful demonstrations against all reactionaries - including most recently
> against Russian aggression - are STILL happening, and never stopped, no
> matter how small in scale.
> And these are the 

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Just to state my position, I think its clear that Syrians were inspired 
by the Arab Spring and took to the streets for progressive reasons. Its 
equally clear that the State reacted repressively and that in the end 
protestors were justified in taking up arms. However over the 
intervening years the waters have become less clear. It doesnt help 
Russia's case that they have taken up the methods and media campaign of 
the US - circa 2003. If Russia and the US manage to smash up each 
other's proxy armies, perhaps there would be a small space for 
progressive forces to re-emerge. However I think things are too far gone 
for that now


On 10/15/15 8:25 AM, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:

>But whether or not there ever was such an unarmed, 'spontaneous'
>civilian opposition, , hey, it's LONG gone at this point. The FSA,
>according to Franklin Lamb, who has spent a lot of time in Syria and
>speaks the language, is mostly viewed now by Syrians as agents of
>Turkey.

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[Marxism] Fwd: Kissinger 1923-1968: The Idealist by Niall Ferguson review – a case of wobbly logic | Books | The Guardian

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Greg Grandin takes down Nial Ferguson

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/oct/15/kissinger-1923-to-1968-the-idealist-niall-ferguson-review-biography
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[Marxism] Fwd: Bernie Sanders’ Vague Statement on “War and Peace” is Wanting

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[Marxism] Israel and Russia engage in joint air force training, sign 5-year military agreement

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The Axis of Resistance goes from strength to strength.

Syria: Russia and Israel engage in air safety exercises
Training underway, information exchange on flight activities
http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/generalnews/2015/10/15/syria-russia-and-israel-engage-in-air-safety-exercises_692eb5d0-484e-4e97-9736-4428d1954576.html
15 October, 15:49
(ANSAmed) - MOSCOW, OCTOBER 15 - The Russian defense ministry said 
Thursday that joint training of Russian and Israeli air force pilots had 
begun in order to ensure air safety in Syria. The ministry noted that a 
line of contact had been established between the Russian air base of 
Hmeimin near Latakia and the Israeli forces. The first training phase 
ended on Wednesday, organized as part of ''cooperation between Russian 
and Israeli air forces to prevent dangerous incidents in the skies of 
the Syrian Republic,'' spokesman Konashenko said. ''Information exchange 
has also been organized on flight activities between the Russian control 
center on the Hmeimin base and Israeli air forces commanders.'' On 
Thursday a second training phase is being held, said the ministry 
spokesman. (ANSAmed).



Russia and Israel sign military agreement
Published time: 6 Sep, 2010 09:01Edited time: 7 Sep, 2010 15:46
https://www.rt.com/news/israel-barak-military-serdyukov/
A new five year plan has been hammered out and signed during a meeting 
of the Russian and Israeli defense ministers in Moscow.
The agreement boosts military ties between the two nations to help them 
fight common threats, such as terrorism and the proliferation of weapons 
of mass destruction.
The agreement inked today by Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov 
and his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak sketches out the further military 
co-operation between the two countries for the next five years.
Specifically one of the highlights of the document is that Russia will 
buy 12 UAVs from Israel. The Russian minister said that 50 technicians 
are already being taught to operate them.
There was also a talk to build a joint facility where those drones will 
be built, because Russia expressed desire to participate in 
manufacturing of the UAVs.
The document also sketches out details of further military cooperation: 
an exchange of experience and information in spheres of mutual 
interests, which includes issues of international security. It also 
dwells on development of military education, medicine, physical training 
and other issues.
“Our views on many modern challenges are close or coincide,” 
acknowledged Russia’s Defense Minister. “First of all, it has to do with 
terrorism and non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.”
In turn, Ehud Barak pointed out that Israel follows closely the 
situation with terrorism in Russia’s North Caucasus, because both Russia 
and Israel are under the threat of radical Islamic terrorism.
Aryeh Levin, former Israeli ambassador to Russia from 1988 to 1992, 
thinks the important thing is not only a technical aspect of fighting 
terrorism, but also cooperation between Russian and Israeli intelligence 
services.
“The intelligence cooperation in fighting terrorism is now worldwide. 
And between such two countries that have common interests, this might be 
very important,” he told RT.

Watch the full interview with Aryeh Levin


http://nationalinterest.org/feature/yes-putin-does-have-strategy-syria-14084

Lastly, Russia has excellent ties with the most powerful state in the 
Middle East, namely Israel. Moscow and Jerusalem have become 
increasingly close. When he was foreign minister, Avigdor Liberman was a 
“frequent flyer” to Moscow and continues to maintain a direct line to 
Putin. As with Egypt, trade between the two countries continues to 
increase, including trade in armaments. Indeed, Jerusalem is so 
sensitive to Moscow’s desires that it cut off military sales to Georgia 
during the 2008 Russo-Georgian conflict and has not renewed them ever 
since. Indeed, there seemed to be some truth to allegations that Israel 
had supplied data-link codes to Russia to disable Georgian drones prior 
to the 2008 war. Israel has also hesitated to sell drones or other arms 
to Ukraine, specifically as a result of Putin’s personal request to 
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.


All of these developments explain why Putin is in a much stronger 
position regarding Russia’s intervention in Syria than might otherwise 
have been the case. Iran and its Lebanese puppet Hezbollah are providing 
boots on the ground in support of Assad; Russian forces are reputedly 
joining them, in addition to Moscow’s air strikes against anti-Assad 
rebel forces. Iraq has joined 

[Marxism] The ideological construction of 'dissident' Irish republicans

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I'm currently getting up on The Irish Revolution blog an MA by Larry Hughes
from 2013 on this subject.

The intro and the opening chapter are up:
https://theirishrevolution.wordpress.com/2015/10/15/critiquing-the-construction-of-dissident-republicans-pt-1-intro-and-the-eternal-flame/

Please circulate the url to anyone who might be interested.

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[Marxism] GIovanni Arrighi: Capitalism and the Modern World-System: Rethinking the Nondebates of the 1970's

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[Marxism] Plantation Slavery and the Capitalist Mode of Production

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[Marxism] Isis Inc: Syria's mafia style gas deals with jihadis

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Isis Inc: Syria's mafia style gas deals with jihadis
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/92f4e036-6b69-11e5-aca9-d87542bf8673.html#axzz3oe39RZiQ

Erika Solomon in Beirut and Ahmed Mhidi, an independent journalist based 
on the Turkish border
The need for energy drives Assad regime into a deadly game where 
state-run company staff are pawns


After four years of war, Ahmed thought he had finally been given a break 
when he landed a job at Syria’s national gas company. Then he was 
assigned his new supervisors: the militant group, Isis.
For $80 a month, the 25-year-old petroleum engineering graduate from 
Deir Ezzor spent a nightmarish year working at the Tuweinan gas plant — 
one of several that have in effect become joint ventures between 
President Bashar al-Assad’s government and the world’s most notorious 
jihadi group.
The plant is not far from a military base where Isis months earlier had 
killed dozens of soldiers and displayed their heads on spikes. “It was 
frightening, but I didn’t have a choice,” says Ahmed in a phone 
interview. Like all employees interviewed, he asked to change his name 
for his family’s safety. “For people like me, you basically have no 
other work opportunities in Syria.”
Isis and the Assad regime remain battleground enemies, but on Syria’s 
gasfields the need for electricity has forced them into a Faustian 
bargain.
Gas supplies 90 per cent of Syria’s power grid, on which Isis and the 
Assad regime depend. Isis controls at least eight power plants in Syria, 
including three hydroelectric facilities and the country’s largest gas 
plant. The regime has companies that know how to run them.
Syrian activists and western officials have long accused the regime of 
making secret oil deals with Isis, which controls nearly all of Syria’s 
petroleum-producing east. But an FT investigation shows co-operation is 
strongest over the gas that generates Syria’s electricity. Interviews 
with over a dozen Syrian energy employees have revealed agreements that 
are less about cash than about services — something they may find more 
valuable than money.
The business deals do not translate into a truce. The two sides 
continually attack one another’s employees and infrastructure. The 
regime points to these clashes as proof that such understandings do not 
exist. In a written statement, Syria’s Ministry of Oil and Natural 
Resources said: “There is no co-ordination with the terrorist groups 
regarding this matter.” But it acknowledged some of its employees work 
under Isis “for the sake of preserving the security and safety of these 
facilities”.
But others describe the fighting as part of a struggle for better terms, 
where neither seeks to destroy the other. “Think of it as tactical 
manoeuvres to improve leverage,” said the owner of one Syrian energy 
company, who met the FT but asked not to be named. “This is 1920s 
Chicago mafia-style negotiation. You kill and fight to influence the 
deal, but the deal doesn’t end.”

Deadly game
The pawns in this deadly game are employees of state-run energy 
companies and the private groups they contract.
Instead of worrying over valves and pipelines, Ahmed spent much of his 
time at Tuweinan parsing a high-stakes mind game with his militant 
overseers. They beat workers regularly, and even killed one in front of 
his colleagues.
“The worst part is knowing that once you’re there, you belong to no 
one,” he said. “To both the regime and to Isis, you become 
untrustworthy.”
Like Ahmed, most workers sent to Isis territory are from Syria’s Sunni 
Muslim majority, who drove the revolt that spawned Syria’s brutal civil 
war against the Assad family and elites from their minority Alawite sect 
that have dominated the state. Many members of Syria’s minorities have 
supported Mr Assad — especially since Isis overtook the rebellion and 
branded non-Sunnis infidels.
Marwan, another Sunni engineering graduate who worked for the Syrian Gas 
Company before fleeing the country this summer, says only minorities and 
Sunnis with good political connections can secure jobs in 
government-controlled areas. Less fortunate employees find little 
sympathy from the state company if they try to avoid a posting in an 
Isis-controlled plant.
“If you try and complain, they say, ‘Forget about it. Trust me, it’s 
better in the Isis areas, people are happier there’,” Marwan, a 
bespectacled 25-year-old, told the FT.
Workers say that in agreements between Isis and the regime, the Syrian 
state and private gas companies pay and feed their employees and supply 
equipment to the facilities. The two sides divide the electricity 
produced from the methane heavy “dry gas”, while 

[Marxism] Fwd: The Capitalocene | Public Seminar

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This civilization is already over, and everyone knows it. We’re in a 
sort of terminal spiral of thanaticism. The paths to another form of 
life seem blocked, so it seems there’s nothing for it but to double down 
and bet all the chips on the house that kills us. But there might be 
something to be said for an attentiveness to how all this came to pass. 
When the wheels stop spinning we may want to know how and why we lost it 
all.


Jason W. Moore’s Capitalism in the Web of Life: Ecology and the 
Accumulation of Capital (Verso 2015) is an important book, in that it 
brings together the immense resources of world systems theory, critical 
geography and a certain strain of ‘green’ Marxism. Even though it 
refuses such terms, it does signal work in thinking through what the 
Marxist strand of historical sociology needs to be in the Anthropocene.


full: http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/10/the-capitalocene/
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[Marxism] NZ imperialism and Samoa

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Samoa: what New Zealand did:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/samoa-what-new-zealand-did/

Depriving Samoans of immigration and citizenship rights:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/depriving-samoans-of-immigration-and-citizenship-rights/


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[Marxism] Karl Marx on the importance of the military in spurring the development of wage labor

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(1) War developed earlier than peace; the way in which certain economic 
relations such as wage labour, machinery etc. develop earlier, owing to 
war and in the armies etc., than in the interior of bourgeois society. 
The relation of productive force and relations of exchange also 
especially vivid in the army.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/ch01.htm
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[Marxism] SOLIDARITY WITH THE PALESTINIAN UPRISING, 18 Oct 5PM, NYC

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*From NYC Students for Justice in Palestine & NY4Palestine*

https://www.facebook.com/events/1509792672665088/1509867779324244/

*Sunday, 18 October 2015, 5PM Times Square*

In the past few weeks over 30 Palestinians have been killed and more than
300 wounded in acts of IDF/settler agression in the West Bank, East
Jerusalem and Gaza.

*BRING A PALESTINIAN FLAG AND A KEFFIYEH WITH YOU*. We will make Times
Square a SEA of Palestinian flags to show the zionists how many stand with
our cause.

In response to the justified uprising of the Palestinian people, Zionist
activists have chosen to organize a 'Jewish Lives Matter' rally in Times
Square this Sunday, October 18th at 5:00pm. They will be wearing blue and
white to represent Israel, as well as IDF t-shirts. Besides the fact that
they are appropriating the black liberation movement by hijacking the
slogan Black Lives Matter, they are holding a moment of silence for
murdered israelis without regard for the disproportionate violence and
death experienced by the Palestinians every day.

They are glorifying the terrorist organization of the IDF, who are
responsible for the torture and murder of Palestinian civilians. In the
past week, over 20 Palestinian youth have been murdered by settlers, many
of which have graphic video evidence being taunted by and mutilated by
israeli settlers during and after death. Where is their moment of silence?
This Sunday, we stand against outrageous number Palestinian children and
civilians that have been murdered by those belonging to the same Zionist
group as those gathering in Times Square on this day.

We stand against 'Israels right to defend' itself against innocent children
and civilians who clearly pose no threat.

We stand in solidarity with the movement for Palestinian liberation from
60+ years of Zionist occupation, violence, and settler-colonialism.

We stand in retaliation to the appropriation of the black liberation
movement.

We stand against Zionist repression, and racist Zionist ideology that
weighs israeli deaths as warranting more outrage than that of Palestinians,
when Palestinian deaths are greater in number and weaker in justification.

Bring keffiyehs, flags, signs and join us on this day. Join us loudly in
proclaiming that Resistance is not Terrorism, Occupation and Colonialism
are Terrorism!

*Endorsed by:*
NYC Students for Justice in Palestine
NY4Palestine
American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) NY & NJ
Al-Awda NY: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition
Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network
International Action Center
Existence is Resistance
Labor for Palestine
NYC Solidarity with Palestine
Muslim American Society - MAS NY
Jews for Palestinian Right of Return
- Amith
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The left can oppose Russian intervention in Syria without capitulating to our own rulers | REDFLAG

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Catalonia has been ruled by Spain and Scotland by England far longer that that. 
 Outside of lawyers for Imperial predators, who really gives a shit about 
Imperial land titles?

T


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>on Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2015 at 05:54, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:
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>SM>> Tartus in Syria is the only remaining Russian naval base outside Russia
>
>> Sure, now that they've annex Crimea.
>
>  The Krim peninsula has been ruled by Moscow since the 18th century, except 
> for the short span of 23 years after the dismemberment of the Soviet Union 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The left can oppose Russian intervention in Syria without capitulating to our own rulers | REDFLAG

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One of the arguments often made about why China has a right to rule 
Tibet and the imperial egotism about it is justified is that, after all, 
Tibet was ruled by China for centuries. I'd always point out to them 
that Vietnam was ruled by China for 1000 years - much longer than Tibet. 
Draw your own conclusions.


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Catalonia has been ruled by Spain and Scotland by England far longer 
that that.  Outside of lawyers for Imperial predators, who really gives 
a shit about Imperial land titles?


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From: Lüko Willms via Marxism 

 The Krim peninsula has been ruled by Moscow since the 18th century, 
except for the short span of 23 years after the dismemberment of the 
Soviet Union and the separation of Ukraine.




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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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*I want to apologize for posting this comment about Mr. Richey. It was
meant only to go to Louis. While it is true that this rumor exists, I
should admit I do not know him personally and have no idea if it's true or
not and I regret posting it to the entire list on accident.

- Amith

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> Anti-Defamation League during the 1993 ADL espionage scandal or something
> like that. They think he's a spy.
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>>> civilian opposition, , hey, it's LONG gone at this point.  The FSA,
>>> according to Franklin Lamb, who has spent a lot of time in Syria and
>>> speaks the language, is mostly viewed now by Syrians  as agents of
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>>>
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>> would be happy to admit.
>>
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>> rally organized by UNAC in Washington demanding "No Tow Missiles", where we
>> can see a bunch of people carrying big pictures of Bashar al-Assad as is
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Worth noting, many of the Palestine solidarity activists I know in the Bay
Area are convinced that Mark Richey worked closely with people at the
Anti-Defamation League during the 1993 ADL espionage scandal or something
like that. They think he's a spy.

- Amith

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>> But whether or not there ever was such an unarmed, 'spontaneous'
>> civilian opposition, , hey, it's LONG gone at this point.  The FSA,
>> according to Franklin Lamb, who has spent a lot of time in Syria and
>> speaks the language, is mostly viewed now by Syrians  as agents of
>> Turkey.
>>
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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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> >> according to Franklin Lamb, who has spent a lot of time in Syria and
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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

[A.R. G via Marxism]

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On a separate note, I want to address some of the sentiments being posted
by the others.

As this is an internet list-serv, let's consider that many of us are, in
fact, from different countries, and if this is to be a truly
internationalist list, it may include people from more in the future,
albeit slightly restricted by language.

We might also consider that the same national chauvinism that Luko
emphasizes might get many to support their own regimes, the same level of
chauvinism is implicated in actively ignoring the subjugation of other
peoples or of developing an excessively crude or exaggerated picture of our
own regimes -- and having a distorted picture of Libya and Syria is part of
this. The reality is that the US government has a long history of
supporting many of the same regimes it has toppled and a more realistic
picture of US imperialism would account for this. Prior to Qaddafi's
overthrow, the Obama administration had dramatically increased the level of
military support it had provided to Mr. Qaddafi, and prior to that the Bush
Administration had also further normalized relations with Libya pursuant to
his willingness to "assist" in the "war on terrorism". The US began
supporting the opposition and the European campaign of intervention in the
breach of the Arab Spring, which was not initiated by them.

Likewise, the US has been striking deals with the Baathists in Syria for
decades. The US allowed Syria to set the terms of the 1990 Taif Accords in
Lebanon in exchange for its acquiescence during the First Gulf War. The US
has also worked very closely with Syria against suspected Al Qaeda agents
(AKA random people in the wrong place at the wrong time) both before and
after 9/11. Google "Maher Arar".

Like with Qaddafi and Hussein, that does not mean there is never a
circumstance in which the US would push for regime overthrow -- the same
neocons who pushed for the Iraq invasion wanted exactly that. But there was
overwhelming opposition in other sectors of the US government that
correctly pointed out that doing so would be suicidal. At this point it
appears quite clear what the US position is regarding Mr. Assad: reluctant
support.

So even an exaggerated-but-understandable focus on US imperialism would
mean opposing the Assad regime, or at the very least opposing US strikes on
his opposition.

A truly internationalist position, however, would involve asking what the
progressive elements in Syria want and seeing what we can do to support
them from our respective countries. I honestly see very few people even
attempting.

- Amith

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Clay Claiborne  wrote:

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>> Worth noting, many of the Palestine solidarity activists I know in the Bay
>> Area are convinced that Mark Richey worked closely with people at the
>> Anti-Defamation League during the 1993 ADL espionage scandal or something
>> like that. They think he's a spy.
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>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism <
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>> > On 10/15/15 8:25 AM, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
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>> >> But whether or not there ever was such an unarmed, 'spontaneous'
>> >> civilian opposition, , hey, it's LONG gone at this point.  The FSA,
>> >> according to Franklin Lamb, who has spent a lot of time in Syria and
>> >> speaks the language, is mostly viewed now by Syrians  as agents of
>> >> Turkey.
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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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At 12:08 15-10-15 -0700, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:
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>Mark Richey goes by many names and is not to be trusted.

Actually it's the list moderator's job to access who is to be trusted and
take action accordingly. When someone has such suspicions they should be
communicated in confidence to someone in responsibility (in the case of
this list, the moderator) who can quietly investigate. The one thing NOT to
do is to go public with what is only an allegation, for a number of very
good reasons not the least of which is that it alerts an actual infiltrator
that they are under suspicion. Or defames an innocent person. And in either
case generates a climate of distrust which is exactly why the enemy plants
"snitch jackets" as one disruptive tactic. Please always consider carefully
what you decide to circulate publicly. 

- Jeff


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