Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon

2019-02-12 Thread Chris Slee via Marxism
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According to thefreedictionary.com, a benjamin is a hundred dollar bill, 
because of the picture of Benjamin Franklin on it.

I was unaware of this until I did a google search.

Chris Slee

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The Benjamins = money in rap culture. I'm guessing some of you guys are old:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ

It's also impressive how otherwise intelligent people can so easily be
dragged into an absolutely ridiculous and racist witch-hunt. Omar said that
AIPAC lobbying was all about money. There is nothing even vaguely
anti-Semitic about that unless you are already on a witch-hunt for it and
trying to associate Zionist advocacy with a Jewish conspiracy. Moreover,
even assuming there is any connection it would indicate that AIPAC embodies
an anti-Semitic caricature; hardly Omar's fault.

Goldberg is a windbag.



Amith R. Gupta


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> Sorry but I actually was persuaded by Michelle Goldberg's piece --- Yes,
> much of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing
> the manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests
> between the US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't
> need to be manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT --  the tossed off reference by
> Rep. Omar to the "Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews
> controlling everything ---  Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite
> nplays into the hands of the right wing and Goldberg was right to call her
> out on it  and SHE was right to apologize ---
>
> It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as
> everyone else to be considered equal --- in this context Muslims in the US
> have to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks
> -- (and they will anyway --- )   Its totally unfair and with time that
> unfairness will be less effective --- but thats the reality ---
>
> The important come-back about McCarthy's use of anti-semitism to attack
> Soros, et al is useful and important ---
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Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar

2019-02-12 Thread A.R. G via Marxism
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It really is a common phrase. I don't even listen to rap music.

I think you guys are giving an awful lot of leeway to an orchestrated
attack while giving very little to Omar. No reasonable reading of what we
see on Twitter involved her saying anything insensitive. Other people read
anti-Semitic tropes into it the same way they've read it into virtually any
opposition to Israel, it's lobby, etc.

It reminds me of that fiasco some years back about the Muslim kid who built
a clock and was arrested because the teacher said it might be a bomb. Once
the idea that it was "bomb-like" was planted, other people began lending
validity to the suspicion, as though the kid had done something wrong. The
same thing is happening here. Only after the onslaught did anyone go back
and read anti-Semitism into what were actually entirely benign comments.
The anti-Semitism panic is reversely dictating the meaning of her tweets
when any reasonable reading of the tweets said nothing wrong.

And she felt the need to apologize for fairly obvious reasons that had
nothing to do with her being incorrect. She was held hostage.

Amith R. Gupta


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> A. R. G. Said:
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> The Benjamins = money in rap culture. I'm guessing some of you guys are
> old:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ>
>
> It's also impressive how otherwise intelligent people can so easily be
> dragged into an absolutely ridiculous and racist witch-hunt. Omar said that
> AIPAC lobbying was all about money. There is nothing even vaguely
> anti-Semitic about that unless you are already on a witch-hunt for it and
> trying to associate Zionist advocacy with a Jewish conspiracy. Moreover,
> even assuming there is any connection it would indicate that AIPAC embodies
> an anti-Semitic caricature; hardly Omar's fault.
>
> Goldberg is a windbag.
>
> * * * * *
>
> Ken Hiebert replies:
>
> I have to admit that I was ignorant of the meaning of Benjamins in rap
> culture.  And I don’t know what percentage of the American people would
> catch that reference.  Presumably, if a majority of people understood the
> reference, Rep. Omar could have said, “Everyone knows what I’m talking
> about.”
>
> It could be argued that the reference to Benjamins would help get the
> message out to a certain percentage of the American people.  But, looking
> at this from a distance, it seems that the use of the word Benjamins got in
> the way of her message.  It was possible for some people to misunderstand
> it and for others to use it as a handle to attack her.
>
> Of course we can’t replay this experience to see what’d might have
> happened if she had used language that was more difficult to twist against
> her.
>
> In any case, it is a good thing that someone denounced AIPAC and I hope
> that next time this happens it will be said in such a way that the person
> does not feel a need to apologize.
>
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Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar

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A. R. G. Said:


The Benjamins = money in rap culture. I'm guessing some of you guys are old:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ 


It's also impressive how otherwise intelligent people can so easily be
dragged into an absolutely ridiculous and racist witch-hunt. Omar said that
AIPAC lobbying was all about money. There is nothing even vaguely
anti-Semitic about that unless you are already on a witch-hunt for it and
trying to associate Zionist advocacy with a Jewish conspiracy. Moreover,
even assuming there is any connection it would indicate that AIPAC embodies
an anti-Semitic caricature; hardly Omar's fault.

Goldberg is a windbag.

* * * * *

Ken Hiebert replies:

I have to admit that I was ignorant of the meaning of Benjamins in rap culture. 
 And I don’t know what percentage of the American people would catch that 
reference.  Presumably, if a majority of people understood the reference, Rep. 
Omar could have said, “Everyone knows what I’m talking about.”

It could be argued that the reference to Benjamins would help get the message 
out to a certain percentage of the American people.  But, looking at this from 
a distance, it seems that the use of the word Benjamins got in the way of her 
message.  It was possible for some people to misunderstand it and for others to 
use it as a handle to attack her.

Of course we can’t replay this experience to see what’d might have happened if 
she had used language that was more difficult to twist against her.

In any case, it is a good thing that someone denounced AIPAC and I hope that 
next time this happens it will be said in such a way that the person does not 
feel a need to apologize.



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Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon

2019-02-12 Thread Andrew Stewart via Marxism
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Micheal 

Knowing your family history and your background, I am going to be as polite as 
possible as opposed to my response to others, whom I have been rather different 
with about the same point.

The fact is that neither of her Tweets actually mentioned Jews. One mentioned a 
rap lyric and the other mentioned a Zionist lobby group.

If you subscribe to the notion that Zionism does not by default equal Judaism, 
something that seems to be the major argument of every anti-Zionist Jew these 
days, then why should I give credence to you making such a false tautological 
leap? Are you therefore saying that in fact Zionism, and in particular the 
AIPAC brand of Zionism, actually DOES equal Judaism? You don’t get to have it 
both ways. 

Lobbies in America curry favor and influence by way of political campaign 
donations to candidates, not with Matisyahu records and latkes imported from 
Tel Aviv. You’re an economist and a Marxist, money is the basic universal 
commodity of capitalism. Are we supposed to engage in a historical materialist 
critique of a political system while excluding THAT fundamental cornerstone of 
the political system because of an unfortunate coincidence that you infer has a 
prejudiced slant despite the fact that she was talking about AIPAC and not 
Judaism? It’s a pretty awesome leap of logic, it stinks to high heaven, and it 
also simply has no resemblance to either a) problematic statements made by 
Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, or b) the honest-to-God real deal 
antisemitic filth that is the stock and trade of Breitbart. 

I realize that you might have your own sensitivity and inclination here because 
of whatever reasons but this kind of argument is simply bad logic. Why is it 
that Noam Chomsky can say this sort of thing but a Black woman can’t?

Best regards,
Andrew Stewart 

Sorry but I actually was persuaded by Michelle Goldberg's piece --- Yes, much 
of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing the 
manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests between the 
US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't need to be 
manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT --  the tossed off reference by Rep. Omar to the 
"Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews controlling everything 
---  Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite nplays into the hands of the 
right wing and Goldberg was right to call her out on it  and SHE was right 
to apologize ---

It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as 
everyone else to be considered equal --- in this context Muslims in the US have 
to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks -- (and 
they will anyway --- )   Its totally unfair and with time that unfairness will 
be less effective --- but thats the reality ---

The important come-back about McCarthy's use of anti-semitism to attack Soros, 
et al is useful and important --- 


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Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon

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The Benjamins = money in rap culture. I'm guessing some of you guys are old:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ

It's also impressive how otherwise intelligent people can so easily be
dragged into an absolutely ridiculous and racist witch-hunt. Omar said that
AIPAC lobbying was all about money. There is nothing even vaguely
anti-Semitic about that unless you are already on a witch-hunt for it and
trying to associate Zionist advocacy with a Jewish conspiracy. Moreover,
even assuming there is any connection it would indicate that AIPAC embodies
an anti-Semitic caricature; hardly Omar's fault.

Goldberg is a windbag.



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> much of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing
> the manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests
> between the US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't
> need to be manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT --  the tossed off reference by
> Rep. Omar to the "Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews
> controlling everything ---  Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite
> nplays into the hands of the right wing and Goldberg was right to call her
> out on it  and SHE was right to apologize ---
>
> It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as
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> have to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks
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> The important come-back about McCarthy's use of anti-semitism to attack
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Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon

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Sorry but I actually was persuaded by Michelle Goldberg's piece --- Yes,
much of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing
the manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests
between the US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't
need to be manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT --  the tossed off reference by
Rep. Omar to the "Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews
controlling everything ---  Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite
nplays into the hands of the right wing and Goldberg was right to call her
out on it  and SHE was right to apologize ---

It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as
everyone else to be considered equal --- in this context Muslims in the US
have to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks
-- (and they will anyway --- )   Its totally unfair and with time that
unfairness will be less effective --- but thats the reality ---

The important come-back about McCarthy's use of anti-semitism to attack
Soros, et al is useful and important ---
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Re: [Marxism] I'll be glad when you're dead, you rascal you

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On 2/12/19 4:53 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


A message from Helga Zepp-LaRouche

With infinite sadness I report to you that Lyn passed away this morning. 
There are no words to describe the loss to humanity. He left us, but he 
lives in the simultaneity of eternity. It is now up to us to realize his 
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[Marxism] I'll be glad when you're dead, you rascal you

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A message from Helga Zepp-LaRouche

With infinite sadness I report to you that Lyn passed away this morning. 
There are no words to describe the loss to humanity. He left us, but he 
lives in the simultaneity of eternity. It is now up to us to realize his 
life‘s work. Helga

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[Marxism] Dems gunning for Trump fear 2020 split over Israel - POLITICO

2019-02-12 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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Re: [Marxism] Ilhan Omar Was Right

2019-02-12 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 2/12/19 3:26 PM, MM wrote:
“This is why Omar’s recent tweet was disappointing, blaming 
American support for Israel on lobbyists’ cash. The ultimately 
conservative, reassuring effect of concentrating on the Israel lobby 
is this: it suggests that American interests are fundamentally good, but 
that they are corrupted and distorted by some small clique. Antisemites 
take their cue from this supposition.


I dealt with an earlier controversy over the Israel Lobby here:

https://louisproyect.org/2006/03/24/the-israel-lobby/


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[Marxism] Dr Tim Anderson sacked by the University of Sydney - Honi Soit

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Re: [Marxism] Ilhan Omar Was Right

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> On Feb 12, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism 
>  wrote:
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> https://jacobinmag.com/2019/02/ilhan-omar-israel-tweet-antisemitism-bds 
> 

It’s good to see Jacobin and others defending Omar, but the UK Guardian has 
published a piece highlighting what her defenders have generally missed:

“Since her election last year, Omar has opened the door to a different, taboo 
argument. Her interventions over Venezuela and the southern border broke from 
the Democratic script and caused controversy by hinting that the aims and not 
only the means pursued by the American state frustrate the achievement of human 
freedom. The likes of James Baldwin and Malcolm X knew this all too well, and 
it has long been intuitive to many millions beyond America’s shores too. By 
endorsing the global Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement against 
Israel, Omar moved well beyond those Americans who criticize Benjamin 
Netanyahu’s excesses confident that Israel, their old ally, remains a noble 
endeavor now in need of wise and moderating counsel from Washington. She flew a 
different flag, supporting Palestinians as a people dispossessed by the facts 
of might and conquest familiar to victims of colonization everywhere.

“This is why Omar’s recent tweet was disappointing, blaming American support 
for Israel on lobbyists’ cash. The ultimately conservative, reassuring effect 
of concentrating on the Israel lobby is this: it suggests that American 
interests are fundamentally good, but that they are corrupted and distorted by 
some small clique. Antisemites take their cue from this supposition.

“The deeper, tougher truth is that America supports Israel because at some 
level America is Israel; these are two settler colonies born in violence, 
condemned by their original sins and by their later crimes to paranoias about 
the revenge of the wronged. America needs no monied lobby to see its common 
cause with Israel. Omar should be better placed than most Democrats to see 
this, given that she seems less enamored of American greatness than they are. 
The distressing thing about her tweet was its inconsistency, its failure to 
live up to the promise she has tentatively begun to sketch.” 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/12/ilhan-omar-us-israel-policy-lobbying

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[Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon

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https://washingtonbabylon.com/democrats-sic-the-hyenas-on-rep-ilhan-omar/


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Re: [Marxism] Interview: John Bellamy Foster on the ‘Green New Deal’

2019-02-12 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 2/12/19 12:56 PM, Ian Angus via Marxism wrote:


Interview: John Bellamy Foster on the ‘Green New Deal’

To bring about meaningful change, the resolution proposed by Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez must be part of an ecological revolution with a broad social
base

https://climateandcapitalism.com/2019/02/12/john-bellamy-foster-on-the-green-new-deal/


Nobody wants to see renewable energy more than me but I doubt that a 
"Green New Deal" can foment an ecological revolution. The only thing 
that can get working people to move off their asses and into the streets 
is a frontal attack on their standard of living as has happened in 
France with the Yellow Vest movement.


On top of that, any number of countries in Western Europe have 
incorporated a Green New Deal to one extent or another but the 
ecological crisis is much broader and deeper than the climate change 
component.


If you can't move toward sustainable agriculture, you can't escape the 
degradation of soil and water that industrial farming produces. Today's 
NY Times article about what is happening in California bears that out.


The Russian Revolution happened because people needed peace, bread and 
land. A few months after the Bolsheviks took power, Lenin created a 
working group to map out a conservation program similar to the one that 
Theodore Roosevelt implemented in the USA. Something like that will 
happen here. Not maybe when I am alive but surely when your 
great-grandchildren are alive.


Here's how Lenin promoted nature conservation in the early USSR:

http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/ussr_ecology.htm
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Re: [Marxism] Linux Beach: Before We Were Slaves: More on the first Africans in Virginia

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This does not appear to be the consensus with historians: 
https://twitter.com/historianess/status/1094648855113723906
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[Marxism] Interview: John Bellamy Foster on the ‘Green New Deal’

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Interview: John Bellamy Foster on the ‘Green New Deal’

To bring about meaningful change, the resolution proposed by Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez must be part of an ecological revolution with a broad social
base

https://climateandcapitalism.com/2019/02/12/john-bellamy-foster-on-the-green-new-deal/


Ian Angus
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[Marxism] The Left and the Democratic Party – New Politics

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By Dan La Botz

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[Marxism] Linux Beach: Before We Were Slaves: More on the first Africans in Virginia

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[Marxism] Tomi Ungerer, Brash Illustrator for Young and Older, Dies at 87

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Tomi Ungerer was great. I reviewed “Far Out Isn’t Far Enough: The Tomi 
Ungerer Story” in 2013. 
(https://louisproyect.org/2013/06/15/three-films-of-note-4/) The film 
can be seen on Amazon Prime.


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NY Times, Feb. 12, 2019
Tomi Ungerer, Brash Illustrator for Young and Older, Dies at 87
By Neil Genzlinger

Tomi Ungerer, an acclaimed illustrator and author who brought a scampish 
style to children’s books and whose wide-ranging career also took him 
into advertising, protest art and erotica, died on Friday in Cork, 
Ireland. He was 87.


His death was announced on his website.

Mr. Ungerer burst onto the children’s-book scene in 1957 with “The 
Mellops Go Flying,” the first of a series of books he would write and 
illustrate about a family of pigs prone to going on adventures and 
getting into predicaments. (In the first book, they build an airplane, 
which crashes when it runs out of fuel, and that’s only the beginning of 
the tale.)


The Mellops books and others, with their quirky stories and simple but 
idiosyncratic drawings, stood out in the often uninspiring world of 
children’s books. Yet Mr. Ungerer, born in Europe but living in the 
United States, was soon also turning his artistic talents to more adult 
themes, in works like “The Underground Sketchbook of Tomi Ungerer” 
(1964), which was full of humorous, suggestive drawings.


As the Vietnam War became the dominant political issue of the day, he 
made posters with an antiwar theme; one, from 1967, showed the Statue of 
Liberty being crammed down the throat of a yellow figure. And, 
especially after the publication in 1969 of his “Fornicon,” a book of 
comical but startling sexual imagery, he found himself unwelcome in 
children’s-book circles.


“Americans cannot accept that a children’s-book author should do erotic 
work or erotic satire,” he told The New York Times in 2008, when some of 
his children’s books began to be republished in the United States and 
Britain. “Even in New York it just wasn’t acceptable.”


In the last decade, though, his status as an important and innovative 
figure in graphic arts has been more widely recognized in the United 
States. In 2015 he had his first American retrospective, at the Drawing 
Center in New York.


“This selection is too small and fast-moving to do justice to Mr. 
Ungerer’s multifaceted creativity,” Roberta Smith wrote in reviewing 
that show in The Times. “With a talent as polymorphous as this, you want 
a cornucopia, not a tasting menu.”


In many facets of his career, Mr. Ungerer was influenced by the daunting 
circumstances of his youth in the World War II era. He was born 
Jean-Thomas Ungerer on Nov. 28, 1931, in Strasbourg, in the Alsace 
region of France, on the German border. His father, Théodore, who was a 
co-owner of a factory that produced astronomical clocks, died when he 
was 3, and he was raised by his mother, Alice (Essler) Ungerer.


It was a place and time of tension, the area being half German, half 
French; part Protestant (as was his household), part Catholic; and 
troubled by class divisions.


“I was brought up and educated with hate,” Mr. Ungerer said in an 
interview that appeared just last week in The Comics Journal. “Hatred of 
the neighbors, hatred of the Germans, hatred of the Catholics. It was 
nothing but hate, hate, hate.”


During the Vietnam War, Mr. Ungerer made posters, like this one from 
1967, with an antiwar theme.CreditTomi Ungerer/Diogenes Verlag AG
Within a few years came a whole different level of hate as the Nazis 
overran the region. They tried to indoctrinate the region’s youths, 
forcing them to speak German.


“It was total, systematic brainwashing every day,” Mr. Ungerer said.

Drawing was among the coping mechanisms that got him through the war 
years. But the return of French control when World War II ended in 1945 
brought its own problems: Some viewed the people in his region as Nazi 
sympathizers or collaborators. Again, Mr. Ungerer had a sense of not 
belonging, on which he would later draw in his children’s books.


“I know how it feels to be different,” he said in an interview last year 
with Print magazine, “and I must say that all the children’s books I did 
after that were all actually ostracized animals. I did one about the 
rats, about a chauve-souris — a bat — about a vulture.” One of his 
best-loved children’s books, “Crictor” (1958), had a boa constrictor as 
the main character.


Mr. Ungerer joined the French Camel Corps in 1952 but was discharged the 
next year because of illness. He then attended the Municipal School of 
Decorative Arts in Strasbourg for a year, after which he spent time 
traveling around 

[Marxism] Ilhan Omar Was Right

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[Marxism] Top Leader at Interior Dept. Pushes a Policy Favoring His Former Client

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(Reading this is almost enough to bring out my latent ecoterrorism.)

NY Times, Feb. 12, 2019
Top Leader at Interior Dept. Pushes a Policy Favoring His Former Client
By Coral Davenport

WASHINGTON — As a lobbyist and lawyer, David Bernhardt fought for years 
on behalf of a group of California farmers to weaken Endangered Species 
Act protections for a finger-size fish, the delta smelt, to gain access 
to irrigation water.


As a top official since 2017 at the Interior Department, Mr. Bernhardt 
has been finishing the job: He is working to strip away the rules the 
farmers had hired him to oppose.


Last week President Trump said he would nominate Mr. Bernhardt to lead 
the Interior Department, making him the latest in a line of officials 
now regulating industries that once paid them to work as lobbyists. 
Others include Andrew Wheeler, a former coal lobbyist who now heads the 
Environmental Protection Agency after the resignation of Scott Pruitt 
amid ethics scandals. William Wehrum, the nation’s top clean-air 
regulator, is a lawyer whose former clients included coal-burning power 
plants and oil giants.


If confirmed as the next Secretary of the Interior, Mr. Bernhardt would 
succeed Ryan Zinke, who left in January under a cloud of ethics 
investigations.


For the California farmers on whose behalf he once lobbied, Mr. 
Bernhardt’s actions to weaken environmental protections would free up 
river water, an asset of incalculable value as climate change propels 
California toward a hotter, drier future. Rerouting river water would 
also devastate the regional ecosystem of the San Francisco Bay Delta, 
scientists say, imperiling dozens of other fish up the food chain and 
affecting water birds, orcas and commercial fisheries and encouraging 
toxic algal blooms.


Mr. Bernhardt received verbal approval from an Interior Department 
ethics official before initiating the rollback of protections for the 
smelt, delivering on a campaign pledge by President Trump to release 
water for the farmers. If the plan goes through, the water could be 
diverted from the rivers to the fields as soon as December.


It is not the first time Mr. Bernhardt’s official duties have converged 
with his earlier work as a lobbyist. Before joining the Interior 
Department in 2017 as the second in command, he lobbied for oil and gas 
companies. The Interior Department controls drilling rights for millions 
of acres of federal land and coastal waters.


Mr. Bernhardt also worked as a lobbyist and lawyer for the Westlands 
Water District, which represents California farmers who have been 
fighting for decades against the delta smelt for access to the river 
water that both need to survive.


The smelt is at the heart of one of the fiercest battles in California’s 
decades of water wars. It is a fight that pits agribusiness, which needs 
irrigation to thrive, against environmentalists and commercial fishermen 
defending the ecosystem of the vast San Francisco Bay Delta, the rivers 
that drain it, and the stretch of the Pacific Ocean into which it empties.


The environmentalists have long had the Endangered Species Act on their 
side, thwarting agricultural interests like the Westlands Water 
District. Mr. Bernhardt’s efforts to weaken the Endangered Species Act 
represent a historic power shift.


Mr. Bernhardt has opened a broad, national effort to overhaul the 
Endangered Species Act. At the same time, he has taken a hands-on 
approach in the narrow policy change of removing protections for the 
delta smelt, which could deliver an economic win in the Westlands Water 
District.


In an interview, Mr. Bernhardt acknowledged that, in late 2017, four 
months after joining the Interior Department, he directed David Murillo, 
a senior water-resources official for the mid-Pacific region, to begin 
the process of weakening protections for the smelt and another fish, the 
winter-run Chinook salmon, to free up river water for agriculture.


A month later, Mr. Murillo’s office started the process of weakening the 
protections. Last week it followed up with a more detailed, 871-page 
proposal on diverting the water.


Because Mr. Bernhardt’s actions would disproportionately benefit one of 
his former clients, independent ethics specialists said that, under the 
terms of the Trump administration’s ethics pledge, which Mr. Bernhardt 
signed, he should not have been given clearance to act. Its “revolving 
door” provision requires former lobbyists to recuse themselves for two 
years from any particular matter or specific issue on which they lobbied 
in the two years before joining the administration.


“This is a clear case of 

[Marxism] Of socialists - bookforum.com / omnivore

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Multiple links.

https://www.bookforum.com/blog/20715
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[Marxism] Trumpism's Global Strategy » Organizing Upgrade

2019-02-12 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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It twists, it turns, it bounces in unexpected directions. How do we make 
sense of Trump’s foreign policy? Is there a logic behind it or just a 
series of improvised presidential whims? In the past two years, we’ve 
seen a confusing mix of policy initiatives: threats of nuclear genocide 
against North Korea followed by a 180-degree turn to a “great 
relationship” with Kim Jong-Il and claims of successful negotiations; 
bombing raids in Syria followed by a pledge that U.S. troops will 
withdraw within one month, and then a rollback of that pledge; dogged 
support for Saudi Arabia’s bombing of Yemen in the face of their 
assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi; announcement of a framework 
for a negotiated peace in Afghanistan; a ramping up of tensions with 
Iran and China, and hints of an outright invasion of Venezuela.


In a recent interview with Doug Henwood, foreign relations scholar 
Andrew Bacevich suggested that Trump wants to diminish U.S. 
entanglements in futile military conflicts and generally step away from 
the assertion of U.S. hegemony over traditional allies. Trump’s 
impulses, Bacevich says, have been stymied by advisors and officials 
committed to the bi-partisan goal of increasing the global projection of 
U.S. power. We think Bacevich is too optimistic about Trump’s individual 
agenda, and we have a somewhat different take.


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[Marxism] The World Is on the Brink of Widespread Water Wars

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[Marxism] bellingcat - In Portland, A Roving Right-Wing Gang "Demasks" Left-Wing Activists - bellingcat

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[Marxism] Are We Heading Towards a Synchronised Global Slowdown?

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By Sabri Oncu.

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[Marxism] Hunter Gray, a little postcript

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(From his son.)

First, thanks so much to all who sent condolences, tributes, and other 
kinds of support when Hunter passed on. It was overwhelming, and I don’t 
think we’ll ever be able to respond to everyone who wrote, called, and 
posted on social media. I’m sending this to Redbadbear but please 
forward to other lists and individuals if you can.


__ __

Right after Hunter died, the phone started ringing, and we fielded calls 
from old friends, colleagues, a couple of former enemies, long-lost 
family members. And the media. We talked to The Washington Post, the 
Associated Press, National Public Radio, many newspapers, television 
stations, and so on. We expected his passing would be noted, but the 
level of interest was astonishing. My brother Peter and I handled the 
interviews and felt like old hands after a few days. Yet we felt Hunter, 
a stickler for accuracy, watching, not uncritically, as we answered 
questions. I made about six pages of notes before I talked to the guy 
from the Washington Post.


__ __

About four days before he died, Hunter moved into the phase they 
describe as “actively dying.” That is, his breathing would stop for a 
long time before starting again dramatically. He slipped into 
semi-consciousness, seldom opening his eyes, and seemed to have moved 
beyond understanding us in terms of language. He did respond to touch, 
and reacted nonverbally when we talked to him, and reacted when my 
brother, not yet on the scene, talked to him through the phone.  He was 
no longer eating or drinking. When his doctor came, he predicted Hunter 
would last three days at the most based on his experience.


__ __

Maria and Josie and I were there with him nonstop during this period. 
Every hour that came we believed would be his last. It was intense. The 
breathing became frighteningly irregular. He did not seem to be in any 
pain, but was going through some kind of psychic storm, moving 
restlessly, sometimes reaching for something, sometimes raising his 
fist. To me, in this state, Hunter was sort of suspended between life 
and death. That’s the only way I can describe it.


__ __

We made sure, through each day and night, that one of us was always 
awake, almost always holding his hand or arm. We played music for him, 
his favorite labor songs, like “Which Side Are You On?” as well as some 
traditional Micmac songs that emphasized drumming. We talked to him a 
great deal. These were strange nights, but very beautiful nights. He 
reached and passed his doctor’s predicted death day, not surprising 
given his refusal to let anyone tell him how to live. Or die.


__ __

Hunter’s last act was to think of others before himself. On Monday 
morning, he seemed to be as stable as we could expect him to be. Maria 
and Josie decided to make a quick errand; they hadn’t left the house in 
days. I was in the kitchen when they left and wandered in to check on 
Hunter in the living room, where his hospital bed was. I sat by him and 
reached over to rub his arm and (with my apologies for being graphic) he 
expelled some black bile from his mouth. I grabbed our suction device, 
much like a dentist’s suction tube, to clear the back of his mouth. It 
was at that moment I realized he’d stopped breathing. He was gone. I 
called Maria and Josie, told them it didn’t look good, that they needed 
to return. I had time to clean up the bile before they returned. They’d 
been gone all of five minutes.


__ __

We believe that Hunter waited until they were gone to die. They were 
distraught enough already, and seeing that final unpleasant bodily 
function would have just been too much for them. It was something I 
could handle, and he knew it.


__ __

So that’s that.  He has left an enormous void in our family, and in the 
lives of many others, and in the universe itself.. It seems 
incomprehensible that someone so much larger than life is simply gone. 
We’re still sorting it all out.


__ __

I will say this last thing, though. Hunter was very open minded about 
the possibilities when it came to life after death, though he was not an 
adherent to any single belief in that arena. Not long before he died, we 
were on the subject of reincarnation. If there /was/ reincarnation, I 
asked him, upon his death would he want to take a nice long rest or get 
right back out there into the world and get to work.


__ __

I’m sure you know what his answer was.

__ __

Thanks,

__ __

John Salter


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