Re: [Marxism] 'Radio Freedom' in Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * From everything I have read from him, the credibility of Roger Annis and his pretense to be engaging in actual analysis has been destroyed. For instance: At 18:42 14-06-15 -0700, Roger Annis via Marxism wrote: Russia's annexation of Crimea by Russia last year. The Crimean people voted overwhelmingly for secession from Ukraine and federation with Russia in March 2014 This is but one example of the writer starting with a conclusion for which a justification must be fabricated. When an election (for instance) is staged by a power in which the result of the election and subsequent events have already been planned, then the credibility of such an exercise is nil. This was as true for the re-election of Bashar al-Assad as was it for the succession vote in Crimea. In particular, we have since learned that the Russian government had already determined the fate of Crimea over a week before the fall of Yanukovych and before the brilliant idea of ratifying those actions with a popular election in the Crimea had been hatched. Recall this incriminating document: http://www.interpretermag.com/it-is-seen-as-correct-to-initiate-the-annexation-of-the-eastern-regions-of-ukraine-to-russia/ - Jeff The imperialist countries are continuing their penetration and domination of eastern Europe, destroying Ukraine in the process. They are driving towards war with Russia, including the danger they would unleash nuclear weapons. They are spending a trillion dollars to modernize their nuclear arsenal. And Marxism list contributors reply, But what about Putin? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] 'Radio Freedom' in Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This exposé of Radio Freedom (Radio Liberty), aired on Petersburg Channel Five just yesterday, should be grist for your mill then, Roger: http://www.5-tv.ru/glavnoe/broadcasts/508717/129/ Maybe you can translate it and publish it on New Cold War. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 'Radio Freedom' in Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Montag, 15. Juni 2015 at 03:42, Roger Annis via Marxism wrote: The imperialist countries are continuing their penetration and domination of eastern Europe, destroying Ukraine in the process. They are driving towards war with Russia, including the danger they would unleash nuclear weapons. They are spending a trillion dollars to modernize their nuclear arsenal. And Marxism list contributors reply, But what about Putin? The US government decided recently to move heavy military hardware like tanks to the Russian border. I also want to remind the readers of this list of that recent US military's mishap with a shipment of Antrax samples, thus revealing that the US military still keeps live and dagerous biological weapons. And let me remind also that the US government always explicitely includes by all means at our disposal in their war threats against e.g. Iran and other targets of the US aggression. Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 'Radio Freedom' in Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * That reminds me. I have been looking closely at this WWIII rhetoric found in WSWS.org and all the other familiar places. You can find an interesting pattern. Every time some sorry former colony from the Stalinist epoch gets out of hand, you can find the same sky-is-falling propaganda. - I am sympathetic to your argument above, but nevertheless I wouldn't be so dismissive of the dangers. The Russian government is clearly concerned about the growing NATO presence at its border and may act in unpredictable ways if it feels like its ability to ensure strategic security is under threat. In that regard, events in Ukraine and Moldova are of particular concern to them - especially if the US /EU are providing hardware and/or training to Ukrainian forces to defeat Russian proxies in the buffer zone they are trying to establish in Donetsk/Lugansk. WSWS probably mentioned this (I can't read that sectarian drivel myself), but Russian nuclear doctrine prescribes the use of limited nuclear strikes in such instances: A 2011 study by the respected RAND Corporation came to much the same conclusion, stating that Russian doctrine explicitly recognizes the possibility of using nuclear weapons in response to conventional aggression. Not only does Moscow see nuclear use as a potential escalatory option in a regional war, but it also envisions using nuclear weapons to de-escalate a conflict. This isn’t just Russian saber-rattling. The U.S. and its NATO partners too envision the possibility of nuclear use in a European war. The Obama Administration had the opportunity to back away from such thinking in a 2010 Nuclear Posture Review, and instead decided it would retain forward-deployed nuclear weapons in Europe under a doctrine known as extended deterrence. Eastern European nations that joined NATO after the Soviet collapse have been especially supportive of having U.S. nuclear weapons nearby. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2014/04/24/four-ways-the-ukraine-crisis-could-escalate-to-use-of-nuclear-weapons/) Moreover, according to a modestly sized but empirically rich body of work by a number of Marxian scholars (e.g. Kondratieff, Joshua Goldstein, W.R. Thompson L.G. Zuk, and Chris Chase-Dunn), there's a war cycle that accompanies the major downturns in the capitalist world-economy. In fact, some of those studies have identified a pattern whereby the mega wars often break out during the upswing (which arguably is where we're at now). Personally, I don't see the kind of conditions that we saw preceding the last two world wars, but there's no guarantee that these interstate conflagrations will always unfold the same way each time. Certainly in Europe, though, it looks like the stage is being set for another head-on collision between radical left and fascist right...although given the new dynamics in Europe it may manifest itself as a conflict between left and right between states rather than within. Just some off the cuff thoughts... _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 'Radio Freedom' in Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/14/15 9:42 PM, Roger Annis via Marxism wrote: They are driving towards war with Russia, including the danger they would unleash nuclear weapons. They are spending a trillion dollars to modernize their nuclear arsenal. And Marxism list contributors reply, But what about Putin? That reminds me. I have been looking closely at this WWIII rhetoric found in WSWS.org and all the other familiar places. You can find an interesting pattern. Every time some sorry former colony from the Stalinist epoch gets out of hand, you can find the same sky-is-falling propaganda. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-caucasus-washington-risks-nuclear-war-by-miscalculation/9790 The Caucasus —Washington Risks nuclear war by miscalculation By F. William Engdahl Global Research, August 11, 2008 11 August 2008 The dramatic military attack by the military of the Republic of Georgia on South Ossetia in the last days has brought the world one major step closer to the ultimate horror of the Cold War era—a thermonuclear war between Russia and the United States—by miscalculation. What is playing out in the Caucasus is being reported in US media in an alarmingly misleading light, making Moscow appear the lone aggressor. The question is whether George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are encouraging the unstable Georgian President, Mikhail Saakashvili in order to force the next US President to back the NATO military agenda of the Bush Doctrine. This time Washington may have badly misjudged the possibilities, as it did in Iraq, but this time with possible nuclear consequences. (clip) _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] 'Radio Freedom' in Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A contributor to this list referred to Radio Svoboda as U.S. funded. That's an understatement! Radio Svoboda (Freedom) is the 60 year old service of the rabidly anti-communist Radio Free Europe of the U.S. imperialists. RFE dates back into the early years of the Cold War. Of course Radio Svoboda would idolize the anti-Putin activist Vlad Kolesnikov, including his condemnations of Russia's annexation of Crimea by Russia last year. The Crimean people voted overwhelmingly for secession from Ukraine and federation with Russia in March 2014, and that expression has been affirmed in major polls conducted since then in Dec. 2014, Jan. 2015 and later. But the annexation thesis makes perfect sense for those who advocate it. Since when does imperialist democracy or those who believe in it give any credence to the actual wishes of a given population? Another anti-Putin activist, Igor Dmitriyev of the liberal 'Left Socialist Action' in Russia, has recently expressed his guarded support for Ukraine's new raft of anti-communist laws, which also rewrite history in favour of the Nazi-era collaborationists during and after WW2. His views are published without comment on the 'Ukraine Solidarity Campaign' of the Euromaidan movement in the UK: http://ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org/2015/06/11/on-the-condemnation-of-communist-and-national-socialist-nazi-regimes-in-ukraine/ Radio Svoboda's paymasters are, of course, experts at lauding and handling anti-Putin activists. Look at how masterfully they manipulated the anti-Morsi masses in Egypt in 2013 and the anti-Yanukovych crowds in Kyiv. Now they have their sights set on Russia, as expressed very eloquently in an op-ed and in an editorial in the Washington Post a few days ago: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-after-putin/2015/06/11/90d6c1ea-0d25-11e5-adec-e82f8395c032_story.html?wpisrc=nl_opinionswpmm=1 http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/on-democracys-front-lines-in-ukraine/2015/06/10/585640d4-0f8c-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html The imperialist countries are continuing their penetration and domination of eastern Europe, destroying Ukraine in the process. They are driving towards war with Russia, including the danger they would unleash nuclear weapons. They are spending a trillion dollars to modernize their nuclear arsenal. And Marxism list contributors reply, But what about Putin? RA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
