Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Jaco in the bin | s0metim3s
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sorry, the sentence I wrote "This call for rationalism has a long history, but if you aren't White, you are not likely to see through it very well." SHOULD have read "This call for rationalism has a long history, but if you are White, you are not likely to see through it very well." Apologies for the miscommunication, but thoroughly unapologetic for the admonition. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Jaco in the bin | s0metim3s
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * There is much to object within the Jacobin article, but I believe this penultimate statement really indicates their equivocal--and, therefore, panderingly liberal racist--position, as it were, "If a class-based, antiracist bloc can be built at all, it can only be done gradually, trusting in people’s inherent capacity to develop a different understanding of the world. It’s a narrow path, and it won’t always be pleasant. But left politics have never been the sanitized efforts of pure conscience and saintly devotion that we are all tempted to believe in at times. Creating a different kind of movement will take time and, more importantly, patience. Racist or xenophobic sentiments exist, not as essential personality traits but as attitudes that can change through experience. Those need to be addressed, but they can be opposed effectively only on a basis of solidarity and mutual trust." Of course, on the "face" of it, the quote above seems really devoid of context so that my stating it alone would appear "cherry-picking" and, after all, some of you of the more melanin-deprived (yes, that's you, White people) may find the quote truly reasonable hearkening to the need for "patiently explaining" we might get schooled from a Bolshevik or two. Of course it seems so because Jacobin's writers are much more sophisticated in their descent to worrying about rightist "populism". Their writing is much more disingenuous than that because it seems clear, at least to me, that they may actually believe that their patience-for-the-masses argument is, you know, a thing. For example, they actually begin their slippery slope into liberal racism much earlier in the article with, first, "lecturing" us all with a righteous appeal for "coalition building" with the admonition, "It is in this climate that the fight over Wagenknecht’s comments has evolved from a conflict over policy into an existential choice that will make or break the German left. Party members should reject the racism and xenophobia that undergirds AfD’s appeal (and that some see creeping into Wagenknecht’s rhetoric). But they also need to recognize that strong political coalitions and social movements are built by working with voters, many of whom hold less than perfectly antiracist views — not lecturing them." Thus, the argument starts with their concern for "working with voters" whom are "less than perfect" in their anti-racism (you do know that because the article discusses such issues as open vs. "controlled" borders that the less than perfect anti-racism is the fear of refugees and the nativist arguments against them, right?). Next, there is the problem of "left essentialism" where the exuberance of youth among emerging new activist such as those around Die Linke becomes a brake on the development of these "coalitions" with the more backward fearful layers of White German workers, among others with their "less than perfect" jingoistic "anti-racism" (otherwise known as bourgeois liberalism) "Perhaps due to the academic, middle-class milieu from which many Die Linke radicals emerge, its younger activists in particular tend to accept a false dichotomy of either ignoring people’s concerns or engaging with them at the price of adopting a “right-wing” language and accept an inherently racist framework." So, by the end, Schmitz doesn't really have to say we need "controlled borders" or, even, that the Wagenknacht's are justified. No, "the reader" is left to one's own devices to draw conclusions, but those conclusions clearly seem to be for "all us" to be reasonable. After all, who on the "left" doesn't want to see "mass coalitions" and win over the "less than perfect" (almost) anti-racists who may, right now, want to close borders or "control", or, more to the point, vote for a rightwing populist? This call for rationalism has a long history, but if you aren't White, you are not likely to see through it very well. M.L. King once bemoaned the need to be salvaged from the machinations of White liberals. The reason why we can't bring together "mass coalitions" is because young people are too willing to create "false dichotomies". We shouldn't be so brazen as to declare for "border controls" but we can "see" that people like Wagenknacht (or, you know, Obama, Clinton, the AFL-CIO) are simply trying "work with voters" with "less than perfect" (anti-)racism. Given all that "reason", why am I not surprised that our hapless liberal "Marxists" here want to engage in a "scientific" debate on the true motives of Jacobin, or one of its writers (presumably peer-reviewed and published for the paper's
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Jaco in the bin | s0metim3s
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Jaco in the bin | s0metim3s
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Yeah, it's definitely a misrepresentation of Jacobin's editorial line. Gindin was profoundly and dangerously wrong when he said we should drop the open borders position, but "liberalized but not open" is different from "heighten border controls." And it's just disingenuous to present Jacobin as endorsing Wagenknecht's position given that just last month, they ran something by a member of Die Linke that rejected Wagenknecht's position as pandering to AFD, the political establishment, and xenophobic racism: httpsj/die-linke-germany-sahra-wagenknecht-refugees-afd/ Let's criticize Jacobin when they're wrong (and any accommodation to xenophobia is obviously wrong), but that doesn't mean distorting the facts in what comes off as a bad-faith dismissal, to be frank. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On Feb 17, 2017, 5:59 PM, Tristan Sloughter via Marxism wrote: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This is full of stretches: "The editors of Jacobin had already announced their intention to press for more voluble support for border controls, in various contexts and articles." This sentences links to the article by Sam Gindin where he says, "To simply assert the righteousness of fully open borders in the present context of economic insecurity cannot help but elicit a backlash and will ultimately do little for refugees and future immigrants". I completely disagree with Gindin's argument that we shouldn't continue to stand firmly behind open borders, but his article is not the editors of Jacobin announcing anything at all. The same goes for the Die Linke article, proper link: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/02/die-linke-germany-sahra-wagenknecht-immigration-xenophobia-afd/ Thinking these views reflect the opinion of the editors of Jacobin is wrong. This doesn't mean there shouldn't be push back when they publish articles we disagree with, they can always do better. Their articles on Syria are a clear case of publishing absolute shit for a period and then turning it around. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/sophia.burns%40protonmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Jaco in the bin | s0metim3s
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This is full of stretches: "The editors of Jacobin had already announced their intention to press for more voluble support for border controls, in various contexts and articles." This sentences links to the article by Sam Gindin where he says, "To simply assert the righteousness of fully open borders in the present context of economic insecurity cannot help but elicit a backlash and will ultimately do little for refugees and future immigrants". I completely disagree with Gindin's argument that we shouldn't continue to stand firmly behind open borders, but his article is not the editors of Jacobin announcing anything at all. The same goes for the Die Linke article, proper link: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/02/die-linke-germany-sahra-wagenknecht-immigration-xenophobia-afd/ Thinking these views reflect the opinion of the editors of Jacobin is wrong. This doesn't mean there shouldn't be push back when they publish articles we disagree with, they can always do better. Their articles on Syria are a clear case of publishing absolute shit for a period and then turning it around. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Jaco in the bin | s0metim3s
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * (I have not read the Jacobin article so I am reserving judgement on this.) The current edition of Jacobin includes the most recent iteration of a push within social democratic circles and organizations to support strong border controls in the wake of the US Presidential election. It’s not only or quite that however. Since the US is not really lacking in border controls, and since cheering on what already exists renders Jacobin irrelevant at the level of existing state policy, it’s impossible to read this is something other than a call for social democratic parties to align with the far Right over a support for borders and against current re-alignments between antifa and anti-racists, since Trump’s election and in preparation for the next election cycle. It is a telling filial choice. But they have been nothing if not consistent in their adherence to the most normative, oikonomic cast of ‘the political,’ on issues of racism as much as gender and sexuality. Plainly Jacobin have decided to enhance Breitbart‘s business model with better fonts. full: https://s0metim3s.com/2017/02/16/jaco-bin/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
