Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Modern Left, Right and the Russia Connection
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Ross was also involved some years ago in a very stinky operation where he called Michael Schmidt a fascist and did a very big production alongside AK Books that had awful journalistic ethics and atrocious understanding of South African history. I have a very distinct suspicion of his reliability on these matters and think he needs to better understand what he is talking about. Message: 8 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 17:55:57 -0700 From: Steve Heeren <tzs...@shaw.ca> To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Modern Left, Right and the Russia Connection Message-ID: <6e74956d-c11c-4d39-7cde-df171b0b8...@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I don't trust Alexander Reid Ross. He banned me and a fellow Palestinian activist after we started asking whether "antifa" was anti-Zionist or not, as we thought it ought to be. Even some Israeli citizens publicly call Israel "fascist". We began to wonder where he was coming from ideologically and he lapsed into a long tirade about the meanings of Zion. Thinking he may be a closet Zionist we kept probing but all of a sudden he banned us from his FB page. As of 4:15 PM PST today I remain "banned". You may notice that a lot of his critique is of The Left. I conjecture that, because it is FROM THE LEFT that the most legitimate criticism of Israel comes (Israel as a settler colonialist state), it is not so easy to discredit by labeling it as anti-semitic which is how many Zionists try to handle criticism. Correct me if I'm wrong. Does he have other virtues which override his possibly closet Zionist leanings? -- -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Modern Left, Right and the Russia Connection
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I don't trust Alexander Reid Ross. He banned me and a fellow Palestinian activist after we started asking whether "antifa" was anti-Zionist or not, as we thought it ought to be. Even some Israeli citizens publicly call Israel "fascist". We began to wonder where he was coming from ideologically and he lapsed into a long tirade about the meanings of Zion. Thinking he may be a closet Zionist we kept probing but all of a sudden he banned us from his FB page. As of 4:15 PM PST today I remain "banned". You may notice that a lot of his critique is of The Left. I conjecture that, because it is FROM THE LEFT that the most legitimate criticism of Israel comes (Israel as a settler colonialist state), it is not so easy to discredit by labeling it as anti-semitic which is how many Zionists try to handle criticism. Correct me if I'm wrong. Does he have other virtues which override his possibly closet Zionist leanings? -- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Modern Left, Right And The Russia Connection
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/7/17 4:45 PM, Jeff via Marxism wrote On 2017-07-07 20:02, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: Very important shift by Eric Draitser. Indeed! I could hardly believe this was the same person. With a bit more honesty it could have been written as a self-criticism, but I guess that would be asking too much. Now I'm just wondering: How long is it going to take the editors at Mint Press to read what slipped into their publication, and realize it was talking about THEM? - Jeff http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-modern-left-right-and-the-russia-connection/229534/ I should mention that the other person interviewed Alexander Reid Ross is an anarchist I have exchanged messages with in the past. He is very, very good on these questions and it is striking that he and Draitser would be part of the same session. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Modern Left, Right And The Russia Connection
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2017-07-07 20:02, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: Very important shift by Eric Draitser. Indeed! I could hardly believe this was the same person. With a bit more honesty it could have been written as a self-criticism, but I guess that would be asking too much. Now I'm just wondering: How long is it going to take the editors at Mint Press to read what slipped into their publication, and realize it was talking about THEM? - Jeff http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-modern-left-right-and-the-russia-connection/229534/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: The Modern Left, Right And The Russia Connection
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Very important shift by Eric Draitser. http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-modern-left-right-and-the-russia-connection/229534/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
