Re: [Marxism] Global Research discusses tragic airliner crash

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No, I'm saying if their "false claim" argument about Iran turns out to be
true, which it is, then their parallel "false claim" about MH17 is also
true. Sorry I was being a bit too facetious and it didn't come across
clearly in a brief message. I am as convinced that Russia was responsible
for MH17 as I am that Iran was responsible for 752. Haven't they actually
tracked the missile back to a specific Russian anti-aircraft unit?

Cheers,
John

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> On 1/13/20 8:10 PM, John Edmundson via Marxism wrote:
> > One bit I would agree with them on, in the light of Iran's admission is
> > this parallel:
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> > "Falsely claiming an Iranian missile may have brought down Ukraine
> Airlines
> > Flight 752 is similar to wrongfully accusing Russia for downing Malaysian
> > Airlines MH17 on July 17, 2014 in eastern Ukraine airspace."
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> > John
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> What are you saying? That it wasn't a Russian missile that brought down
> MH17?
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Re: [Marxism] Global Research discusses tragic airliner crash

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On 1/13/20 8:10 PM, John Edmundson via Marxism wrote:

One bit I would agree with them on, in the light of Iran's admission is
this parallel:

"Falsely claiming an Iranian missile may have brought down Ukraine Airlines
Flight 752 is similar to wrongfully accusing Russia for downing Malaysian
Airlines MH17 on July 17, 2014 in eastern Ukraine airspace."

Cheers,
John


What are you saying? That it wasn't a Russian missile that brought down 
MH17?

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Re: [Marxism] Global Research discusses tragic airliner crash

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One bit I would agree with them on, in the light of Iran's admission is
this parallel:

"Falsely claiming an Iranian missile may have brought down Ukraine Airlines
Flight 752 is similar to wrongfully accusing Russia for downing Malaysian
Airlines MH17 on July 17, 2014 in eastern Ukraine airspace."

Cheers,
John

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> From the egg on our faces department at Global Research, the article
> (still there) is now preceded by this:
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> "The latest information suggests that the Ukraine plane was brought down
> by a missile, following statements emanating from the Iranian government."
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> “Fake Intelligence”? Washington Blames Iran for Ukraine Airliner Crash.
> Was the Plane Brought down by a Missile?
> Stephen Lendman
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> https://www.globalresearch.ca/blaming-iran-ukraine-airliner-crash/5700207
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Re: [Marxism] Global Research discusses tragic airliner crash

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From the egg on our faces department at Global Research, the article (still 
there) is now preceded by this:

"Update

"The latest information suggests that the Ukraine plane was brought down by a 
missile, following statements emanating from the Iranian government."

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As of this morning, this article still appears on the Global Research website.
I have omitted some of the article.
ken h

“Fake Intelligence”? Washington Blames Iran for Ukraine Airliner Crash. Was the 
Plane Brought down by a Missile?
Stephen Lendman

https://www.globalresearch.ca/blaming-iran-ukraine-airliner-crash/5700207 
<https://www.globalresearch.ca/blaming-iran-ukraine-airliner-crash/5700207>



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[Marxism] Global Research discusses tragic airliner crash

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As of this morning, this article still appears on the Global Research website.
I have omitted some of the article.
ken h

“Fake Intelligence”? Washington Blames Iran for Ukraine Airliner Crash. Was the 
Plane Brought down by a Missile?
Stephen Lendman

https://www.globalresearch.ca/blaming-iran-ukraine-airliner-crash/5700207 


A Reuters report was similar, saying the Ukraine aircraft “was likely brought 
down by an Iranian missile,” citing Canadian PM Justin Trudeau and 
“intelligence from Canadian and other (unnamed) sources.”

Iranian officials debunked false claims about a missile or rocket downing the 
Ukraine airliner.

Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization head Ali Abedzadeh said the following:

“From a scientific viewpoint, it is impossible that a missile hit the Ukrainian 
plane,” adding:

“The plane caught fire three minutes into the flight, according to what the 
witnesses have reported and the data collected from the parts of the airplane.”

“The pilot tried to return the airplane at the altitude of 8,000 feet, but due 
to the fire, the airplane crashed and exploded.”

“We can say that the airplane, considering the kind of the crash and the 
pilot’s efforts to return it to Imam Khomeini airport, didn’t explode in the 
air. So, the allegation that it was hit by missiles is totally ruled out.”

“(B)ecause the airplane was Ukrainian, Ukraine is obliged to cooperate with us, 
and has started cooperation. Their team of experts has arrived in Tehran, and 
we have coordinated the issue with them on different aspects.”

“Iranian experts and the Ukrainian ones have had a meeting so that we could 
determine the cause of the incident in cooperation with the Ukrainian side.”

An official investigation into the cause of the crash is underway.

On Thursday, Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Abbas Mousavi dismissed false 
accusations about an IRGC missile downing the Ukraine airliner.

“The Islamic Republic of Iran has begun investigation into the cause of this 
plane crash in accordance with the international standards and the ICAO’s 
(International Civil Aviation Organization’s) criteria, and has invited 
Ukraine, as the owner of the plane, and the Boeing company, as the plane 
manufacturer, to take part in the investigation,” he explained, adding:

“The Islamic Republic of Iran welcomes the presence of experts from the 
countries whose nationals have been killed in the tragic incident, and requests 
the Canadian prime minister and any other government with information about 
this issue to give the information to the committee investigating the incident 
in Iran.”

Ukraine Airlines Flight 752 crashed hours after Iranian missiles struck two US 
bases in Iraq.

They were launched in retaliation for the Trump regime’s assassination of IRGC 
Quds Force commander General Qassem Soleimani — an act of war by the US against 
Iran.

Both incidents were unrelated, no credible evidence suggesting otherwise.

On Thursday, IRGC spokesman Abolfazl Shekarchi debunked false accusations, 
saying:

Western sources “are spreading propaganda that the Ukrainian flight was 
targeted. This is ridiculous,” adding:

“Most of the passengers on this flight were our valued young Iranian men and 
women.

“Whatever we do, we do it for the protection and defense of our country and our 
people.”

If the airliner was struck by a missile, it likely would have broken apart in 
flight which no evidence suggests happened.

Separately, Ukrainian authorities ruled out terrorism, suggesting likely engine 
failure, what an analysis of the crash site and black boxes aboard the doomed 
aircraft will likely determine.

Falsely claiming an Iranian missile may have brought down Ukraine Airlines 
Flight 752 is similar to wrongfully accusing Russia for downing Malaysian 
Airlines MH17 on July 17, 2014 in eastern Ukraine airspace.

The latter Big Lie persists despite no credible evidence proving it, plenty of 
evidence debunking it.

Investigations of commercial airline crashes take considerable time to complete.

It’ll likely be months before it’s officially known why Ukraine Airlines Flight 
752 went down.

There were no credible reports of satellite images showing one or more missiles 
in Iranian airspace before the Ukraine airliner crashed.

When the cause is determined and publicly announced, it’ll no doubt cite a 
technical malfunction, not an Iranian missile responsible for what happened.

A Final Comment

On Friday, Press TV quoted Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization head Ali 
Abedzadeh, saying the following:

“From a scientific viewpoint, it is i