Re: [Marxism] Syria on the brain [was: The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup can't fix that]

[Dennis Brasky via Marxism]

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I'm PROUD to have an "obsession" with the miserable failure of that part of
the Left that assigns responsibility for the mass murder in Syria to
outside plots and "destabilizers" while denying the legitimacy of the
revolutionary attempt of the Syrian people to rid themselves of the
monstrous Assad regime!

I am indeed "obsessed" with the crimes of today's Left in that regard which
I place alongside the defense of Stalinism's crimes of the 1930s as an
obscene betrayal of what we are supposed to stand for and fearful of the
price we'll have to pay in the eyes of radicalizing young people throughout
the Arab world!

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Joaquin Bustelo 
wrote:

> What is this bizarro Syria obsession some people on this list have?
>
>
> On 1/28/2017 9:24 PM, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:
>
>>
>> So, the US "destabilized" Syria? The Syrian people had no legitimate
>> grievances against the Assad Dynasty such as neoliberal privatization,
>> cutting back on social spending, corruption - and a brutal dictatorship?
>> This is typical of Left Orientalist thinking - the Syrian people have no
>> agency - they are mere pawns - "proxies" - of outside powers. It's sad to
>> see this on the Marxism list.
>>
>> "The problem is that the United States does not realize that when it goes
>>> into a country like Iraq or destabilizes Syria, it is creating or
>>> qualitatively escalating internal conflicts within those countries..."
>>>
>>> http://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-us-hasnt-won-wa
>>> r-in-70-years-and.html
>>>
>>>
>
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[Marxism] Syria on the brain [was: The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup can't fix that]

[Joaquin Bustelo via Marxism]

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What is this bizarro Syria obsession some people on this list have?

I wrote a blog post about U.S. interventions abroad generally. It barely 
mentioned Syria in passing in one place or two.


The part that Dennis Brasky quotes says that when the U.S. sticks its 
nose in, it has an impact in the internal politics of the country and 
region, creating or aggravating conflicts that typically lead to more 
war and the failure of the United States to achieve its objectives.


The idea is that because the United States is blind to all that and 
takes a narrow, military approach, it is doomed to more failures like 
the ones from the last 70 years.


Dennis Brasky somehow succeeds in convincing himself that because I used 
the word "destabilizes," it means I deny anything else significant 
politically was going on in the country, and that U.S. destabilization 
was the only thing going on, whereas my point was precisely and exactly 
the opposite.


Read the paragraph that I wrote: "The problem is that the United States 
does not realize that when it goes into a country like Iraq or 
destabilizes Syria, it is creating or qualitatively escalating internal 
conflicts within those countries and in the region that soon manifest as 
civil wars (Libya) or as a combination of a civil war and a war against 
foreign occupation (Vietnam, Iraq)."


Brasky is so Syria obsessed that, because some people say U.S. 
destabilization is the only thing that happened or the important or 
decisive thing, then because I, too, use the word "destabilizes" I must 
hold that same position. Even though the word appears in a blog post 
that says absolutely nothing of the sort.


I'll write more about my real position on Syria and matters I view as 
related in another post.


On 1/28/2017 9:24 PM, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

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 So, the US "destabilized" Syria? The Syrian people had no legitimate
grievances against the Assad Dynasty such as neoliberal privatization,
cutting back on social spending, corruption - and a brutal dictatorship?
This is typical of Left Orientalist thinking - the Syrian people have no
agency - they are mere pawns - "proxies" - of outside powers. It's sad to
see this on the Marxism list.


"The problem is that the United States does not realize that when it goes
into a country like Iraq or destabilizes Syria, it is creating or
qualitatively escalating internal conflicts within those countries..."

http://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-us-hasnt-won-wa
r-in-70-years-and.html




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