Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I quoted Loubna Mrie's article because it gave a good account of the process of Turkey coopting rebel groups. I disagree with some other points in the article. - I disagree with Mrie's interpretation of what happened in Rojava in July 2012. In fact there was a largely peaceful uprising in Kurdish areas. People surrounded military posts and called on the soldiers to surrender, which in most cases they did. (See Revolution in Rojava, by Michael Knapp, Anja Flach and Ercan Ayboga, Pluto Press, 2016, p. 54-56) The Assad regime, with its hands full elsewhere, accepted this as a fait accompli for the time being, though making it clear it wanted to eventually regain control of the Kurdish areas. - Regarding events in Aleppo city in 2016, the conflict between the SDF and Turkish-backed rebels in Aleppo had a long history. See for example the Amnesty International report entitled "Syria: Armed opposition groups committing war crimes in Aleppo city": https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/05/syria-armed-opposition-groups-committing-war-crimes-in-aleppo-city/ Chris Slee From: Marxism <marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu> on behalf of Louis Proyect via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:41 PM To: Chris Slee Subject: Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/23/18 8:12 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: > An article by Loubna Mrie explains the cooption process (without using that > term) as follows: You have the AUDACITY to quite Mrie's article, one that states: The Democratic Union Party (PYD) which currently controls several Kurdish areas never supported the revolution. In July 2012, it reached an agreement with the regime to consolidate control over its territories in return for rejecting the opposition. It later physically fought FSA units. Revolutionary Kurdish forces such as those in East Aleppo also turned on the FSA. By the end of 2016, Kurdish militias were actively helping the Damascus regime reconquer East Aleppo. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/23/18 8:12 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: An article by Loubna Mrie explains the cooption process (without using that term) as follows: You have the AUDACITY to quite Mrie's article, one that states: The Democratic Union Party (PYD) which currently controls several Kurdish areas never supported the revolution. In July 2012, it reached an agreement with the regime to consolidate control over its territories in return for rejecting the opposition. It later physically fought FSA units. Revolutionary Kurdish forces such as those in East Aleppo also turned on the FSA. By the end of 2016, Kurdish militias were actively helping the Damascus regime reconquer East Aleppo. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/23/18 8:12 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: "One of the Syrian opposition's greatest mistakes was to buckle to Turkish pressure and exclude the Kurdish opposition from the Syrian National Council (SNC). This, in turn, led to the political under-representation of Kurds, even though there was a robust Kurdish political opposition that was eager to join the SNC. The Irish Times June 11, 2012 Monday Syrian opposition elects Kurd to top role BYLINE: MICHAEL JANSEN SYRIAN FORCES yesterday shelled rebel strongholds across the country as the expatriate opposition Syrian National Council, meeting in Istanbul, elected as its leader Abdelbasset Sieda, who promised to unite all external and internal factions under the council umbrella. Declaring the regime is on its last legs , Mr Sieda, a Kurd who has lived for many years in Sweden, said multiplying massacres and shellings show that [the government] is struggling . He pledged to reform and restructure the council, which has been sharply criticised by the international community and by Syrians in the country for factionalism and ineffectiveness. Mr Sieda took over from Burhan Ghalioun, an academic teaching in Paris who headed the body since its establishment last September. By appointing a Kurd, the council hopes to reassure members of Syria's minority communities they will not suffer if the secular regime is ousted. The Kurds have been divided over the council's activities, and those who had joined the council withdrew. Many Syrians are wary of the council, on which the Muslim Brotherhood has strong representation. Fighting against government troops supported by helicopter gunships took place at a rebel base near Haffa in the mountains, opposition activists reported. The Britain-based opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 58 soldiers had been killed and 200 wounded since the operation began on Tuesday. The official news agency Sana reported terrorist groups in Haffa had attacked civilians, set fire to the public hospital and forced families to flee their homes. At least 35 people were said to have been killed during army barrages on rebel-held areas in the city of Homs and the nearby towns of Qusair, Talbiseh and Rastan, from which the renegade Free Syrian Army has mounted attacks on army patrols and checkpoints, the opposition said. British foreign secretary William Hague warned the situation resembled that in Bosnia in the 1990s, when the former Yugoslavia was embroiled in a sectarian civil war. He urged Moscow to use the leverage it has with Damascus to end the violence, and said the only option was to adopt the peace plan put forward by UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan. To promote implementation of his plan, Mr Annan has called for the creation of a contact group representing all countries involved in the Syrian crisis, but the US, Britain and France have rejected the inclusion of Iran, Syria s main regional ally. On Saturday, Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov reiterated his country s rejection of external intervention but indicated Moscow would not block the exit of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad if the Syrians agree [on his] departure. His remarks coincided with news of shelling of the city of Deraa that reportedly killed 17. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/23/18 8:12 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: "One of the Syrian opposition's greatest mistakes was to buckle to Turkish pressure and exclude the Kurdish opposition from the Syrian National Council (SNC). This, in turn, led to the political under-representation of Kurds, even though there was a robust Kurdish political opposition that was eager to join the SNC. Exclude the Kurdish opposition? The opposition to what? The Kurds never had the slightest interest in joining the revolution against Assad. In a way, they were the "good" ISIS, taking advantage of chaos to create their own Caliphate based on the teachings of Murray Bookchin rather than Salafist texts. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Michael Karadjis condemns the participation of some Syrian rebels in Turkey's invasion of Afrin. He gives various reasons why they are doing it - for example: "For some, it may be revenge for what the YPG did two years ago..." But he misses the main reason: the cooption of some rebel groups by the Turkish state. An article by Loubna Mrie explains the cooption process (without using that term) as follows: "We cannot understand the root causes of such divisions without looking closely at the proxy powers and their funding of Sunni Arab rebel forces. Turkey, which has long backed the FSA, is the chief country through which support has been channelled. Unfortunately, Turkey's suppression of its own Kurds has coloured the way it views Syrian Kurds, and thus has aggravated ethnic divisions in Syria. "Because the Syrian opposition desperately needs Turkey's support, it has been compelled to embrace Ankara's stance - which is sometimes at odds with the greater good of the Syrian people. "One of the Syrian opposition's greatest mistakes was to buckle to Turkish pressure and exclude the Kurdish opposition from the Syrian National Council (SNC). This, in turn, led to the political under-representation of Kurds, even though there was a robust Kurdish political opposition that was eager to join the SNC. "It is very important to note here that Turkey was not only supporting the armed opposition, but was also the only country that offered a safe space for the Syrian political opposition to meet. This dynamic forced the Syrian opposition to give up on a Kurdish role in the political opposition, or rather, to turn a blind eye to the Kurdish struggle because they did not want to risk their relationship with Turkey. "In effect, Turkey played a major role in widening Arab-Kurd divisions." https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2017/8/22/the-demise-of-arab-kurdish-solidarity-in-syria/ (The New Arab, 22 August 2017) The cooption of many rebel groups by Turkey meant that most Kurds viewed the rebel movement with suspicion. The revolutionary movement in Rojava, led by the PYD, remained separate from both the Assad regime and the Turkish-backed rebels. The PYD's initial policy was to avoid armed conflict if possible, but to fight back if attacked. Mrie notes that Kurdish areas were attacked by several groups: "The Islamic State group, Ahrar al-Sham, some FSA groups, the Nusra Front and HTS/al-Qaeda etc all also played an important role in this division. They all attacked liberated Kurdish areas as part of a cynical strategy to gain control of oil fields. "Whenever these groups took control of a Kurdish area, they tried to impose their rules and ideology on Kurdish society. They started asking women to cover their head, targeted Christians, and even burned churches in cities like Ras al-Ayn." This history of attacks by Turkish-backed groups helps explain why the Syrian Democratic Forces went on the offensive against such groups in early 2016. Probably also the escalation of Erdogan's war against Turkey's own Kurdish population, and against democratic rights in Turkey, heightened the fear of Turkey - and of Turkish-backed groups - amongst Syrian Kurds and other supporters of the Rojava revolution. Another factor was growing Arab support for the SDF. The SDF grew out of an alliance between the mainly Kurdish YPG/YPJ and the mainly Arab Jaysh al-Thuwar, many of whose members were survivors of attacks by Jabhat al-Nusra against other rebel groups such as the Syrian Revolutionaries Front. The growing Arab participation in the SDF provided additional motivation for the SDF to advance into predominantly Arab areas. For many Arab SDF fighters, it would have been an opportunity to liberate their home towns from the oppressive rule of groups such as Nusra. The 2016 SDF offensive coincided with the Russian-backed Assad regime offensive. If, as Michael claims, there was collaboration between the SDF and the Russian air force, that was a response to the situation created by Turkey's policy. The SDF saw Turkey as the biggest threat, and Russia as a potential ally in countering this threat (even if it was an unreliable ally and a potential enemy). Chris Slee From: Marxismon behalf of mkaradjis . via Marxism Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2018 1:29:58 AM To: Chris Slee Subject: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal POSTING RULES & NOTES
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * And to clarify further on that, that is also the reason I resisted putting Afrin in the title. I condemn the Turkish attack on Afrin and the collaboration of some rebel brigades in it. However my point was that there is a lot more going on in northern Syria, right in the vicinity of Afrin, right now, at levels FAR more catastrophic than what is happening to Afrin (so far, at least). I will leave it to you and others to explain why it is ONLY when the Kurds and/ YPG comes under attack that voices are raised, this does not only concern GLW, and not only the entire Rojavasphere, but also people like Chomsky who releases a declaratoon "don't let Afrin become another Kobane", yes some if my article was a direct reference to such extraordinarily blatant selective solidarity, especially as most of those people (with some noble exceptions) have never said a word about the ongoing massacres between Kobane 2014 and Afrin 2018. I will leave to you to explain how GLW managed to not utter a single word for the entire 2016 about the year-long massacre of Aleppo; every time the situation got even more horrific than usual, GLW would usefully oblige by publishing ... yet another article about utopia in Rojava, blissfully undisturbed by what was going on all around them. I won't bother asking what you thought of the role of the YPG in Assad"s final capture of Aleppo when they cut the strategic Castello Rd. Now Nick is not happy that, despite my CONDEMNATION of the rebels for taking part in Turkey's attack in Afrin, I nevertheless criticise the YPG, yet somehow Nick manages to forget that 2 years ago, when it was the YPG doing the conquering of Arab towns in northern Aleppo from the rebels in coordination with the bloody Russian airforce, you and others never condemned these crimes, you supported them! As I said, the lessons about solidarity are frankly hilarious. On 23/01/2018 11:26 AM, "mkaradjis ."wrote: > Nick I'll pass for now on "the most progressive force in the Middle East > "etc, just to note that you're so Rojava-centric that you assume the > massive ethnic cleansing is about the YPG's uprooting of some Arab > comminities a few years ago. Read the article Nick. It was referring to the > expulsion of 200,000 people from their homes in Idlib by Assad/Russia RIGHT > NOW, a fsr more massive catastrophe than what is befalking Afrin, yet one > that GLW couldn't give a toss about, so spare me your lessons about > solidarity comrade. > > On 23/01/2018 10:18 AM, "Louis Proyect via Marxism" < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> POSTING RULES & NOTES >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> * >> >> On 1/22/18 2:38 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: >> >>> And apparently by you. The most progressive force in the Middle East is >>> under existential threat and the solidarity you got is “whatever, they >>> had >>> it coming”. That’s peace and out from me. >>> >> >> Maybe it was a mistake for Green Left to publish an article that accused >> the FSA of being led by warlords and bandits at a time when Assad was >> trying to annihilate it. That does not encourage the kind of solidarity you >> are expecting now. >> >> 13 years ago I wrote an article about the Kurds that alluded to some >> deeply engrained weaknesses of a movement whose overall goal is laudable: >> >> The most striking example of Kurdish fecklessness, however, occurred in >> the 1960s and '70s when they aligned themselves with Zionism, the Shah of >> Iran, and US imperialism against Arab nationalism in general and Iraq >> particularly. >> >> Jonathan C. Randal, a veteran Washington Post reporter strongly committed >> to the Kurdish struggle, quotes a Mossad veteran: "Put a Kurd atop a >> mountain with a rifle, pita bread, and onions and he'll stop a whole column >> of troops for you." (6) The support that Kurdish fighters received from >> Israel paled in comparison from that originating from Tehran. Using bases >> in Iran, Barzani's fighters launched bloody attacks on northern Iraqi >> cities. >> >> But ultimately it was the United States that played the Kurdish card. >> During the course of Pike Committee investigations into covert spying, it >> was revealed that the Kurds received funding and logistical support from >> the CIA between 1972 and 1975. Notwithstanding Barzani's foolish illusions >> in the United States, a 1974 CIA memo
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Nick I'll pass for now on "the most progressive force in the Middle East "etc, just to note that you're so Rojava-centric that you assume the massive ethnic cleansing is about the YPG's uprooting of some Arab comminities a few years ago. Read the article Nick. It was referring to the expulsion of 200,000 people from their homes in Idlib by Assad/Russia RIGHT NOW, a fsr more massive catastrophe than what is befalking Afrin, yet one that GLW couldn't give a toss about, so spare me your lessons about solidarity comrade. On 23/01/2018 10:18 AM, "Louis Proyect via Marxism" < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 1/22/18 2:38 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: > >> And apparently by you. The most progressive force in the Middle East is >> under existential threat and the solidarity you got is “whatever, they had >> it coming”. That’s peace and out from me. >> > > Maybe it was a mistake for Green Left to publish an article that accused > the FSA of being led by warlords and bandits at a time when Assad was > trying to annihilate it. That does not encourage the kind of solidarity you > are expecting now. > > 13 years ago I wrote an article about the Kurds that alluded to some > deeply engrained weaknesses of a movement whose overall goal is laudable: > > The most striking example of Kurdish fecklessness, however, occurred in > the 1960s and '70s when they aligned themselves with Zionism, the Shah of > Iran, and US imperialism against Arab nationalism in general and Iraq > particularly. > > Jonathan C. Randal, a veteran Washington Post reporter strongly committed > to the Kurdish struggle, quotes a Mossad veteran: "Put a Kurd atop a > mountain with a rifle, pita bread, and onions and he'll stop a whole column > of troops for you." (6) The support that Kurdish fighters received from > Israel paled in comparison from that originating from Tehran. Using bases > in Iran, Barzani's fighters launched bloody attacks on northern Iraqi > cities. > > But ultimately it was the United States that played the Kurdish card. > During the course of Pike Committee investigations into covert spying, it > was revealed that the Kurds received funding and logistical support from > the CIA between 1972 and 1975. Notwithstanding Barzani's foolish illusions > in the United States, a 1974 CIA memo revealed his benefactor's true > intentions: "Iran, like ourselves, has seen benefit in a stalemate > situation, in which Iraq is intrinsically weakened by the Kurds' refusal to > relinquish semi-autonomy. Neither Iran nor ourselves wish to see the matter > resolved one way or the other." (7) > > Unfortunately, the Kurds failed to anticipate the Shah's openness to > diplomatic maneuvers that would leave them out in the cold. In 1976 the > Shah and Saddam Hussein cut a deal in Algiers that would throw the Kurds to > the wolves. The March 15, 1975 Economist reported: > > Within 24 hours of the Algiers ceremonies, Iraqi tanks and > infantry launched an offensive from the west that soon had the Kurds in > retreat from the strategic mountain barriers beyond Rawandiz that they have > held since the early autumn in the face of successive Iraqi attacks. By the > time the ceasefire came into effect on Thursday the Iraqis commanded the > Kurds' main supply route, and Choman itself, the official Kurdish > headquarters, was exposed to direct artillery fire by the fall of Mount > Zuzak. Iraqi troops had also made substantial gains in thrusts into > Kurdistan from the south and the north. The explanation of their sudden > success is that, on the morning when the Iraqis began their offensive, the > Iranians pulled out their heavy artillery and anti-tank weapons. They also > closed the border to all fresh supplies of ammunition to the Kurds, who > were running badly short by midweek. > > full: http://www.swans.com/library/art10/iraq/proyect.html > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt > ions/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/22/18 2:38 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: And apparently by you. The most progressive force in the Middle East is under existential threat and the solidarity you got is “whatever, they had it coming”. That’s peace and out from me. Maybe it was a mistake for Green Left to publish an article that accused the FSA of being led by warlords and bandits at a time when Assad was trying to annihilate it. That does not encourage the kind of solidarity you are expecting now. 13 years ago I wrote an article about the Kurds that alluded to some deeply engrained weaknesses of a movement whose overall goal is laudable: The most striking example of Kurdish fecklessness, however, occurred in the 1960s and '70s when they aligned themselves with Zionism, the Shah of Iran, and US imperialism against Arab nationalism in general and Iraq particularly. Jonathan C. Randal, a veteran Washington Post reporter strongly committed to the Kurdish struggle, quotes a Mossad veteran: "Put a Kurd atop a mountain with a rifle, pita bread, and onions and he'll stop a whole column of troops for you." (6) The support that Kurdish fighters received from Israel paled in comparison from that originating from Tehran. Using bases in Iran, Barzani's fighters launched bloody attacks on northern Iraqi cities. But ultimately it was the United States that played the Kurdish card. During the course of Pike Committee investigations into covert spying, it was revealed that the Kurds received funding and logistical support from the CIA between 1972 and 1975. Notwithstanding Barzani's foolish illusions in the United States, a 1974 CIA memo revealed his benefactor's true intentions: "Iran, like ourselves, has seen benefit in a stalemate situation, in which Iraq is intrinsically weakened by the Kurds' refusal to relinquish semi-autonomy. Neither Iran nor ourselves wish to see the matter resolved one way or the other." (7) Unfortunately, the Kurds failed to anticipate the Shah's openness to diplomatic maneuvers that would leave them out in the cold. In 1976 the Shah and Saddam Hussein cut a deal in Algiers that would throw the Kurds to the wolves. The March 15, 1975 Economist reported: Within 24 hours of the Algiers ceremonies, Iraqi tanks and infantry launched an offensive from the west that soon had the Kurds in retreat from the strategic mountain barriers beyond Rawandiz that they have held since the early autumn in the face of successive Iraqi attacks. By the time the ceasefire came into effect on Thursday the Iraqis commanded the Kurds' main supply route, and Choman itself, the official Kurdish headquarters, was exposed to direct artillery fire by the fall of Mount Zuzak. Iraqi troops had also made substantial gains in thrusts into Kurdistan from the south and the north. The explanation of their sudden success is that, on the morning when the Iraqis began their offensive, the Iranians pulled out their heavy artillery and anti-tank weapons. They also closed the border to all fresh supplies of ammunition to the Kurds, who were running badly short by midweek. full: http://www.swans.com/library/art10/iraq/proyect.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "The most progressive force in the Middle East" has acted under US command in the last years. No one can deny this. The SDF/YPG is proud of this. And the Pentagon also stressed it many times! While I am typing these lines, US General Votel is visiting Raqqa and confirms his support for the SDF/YPG. (https://twitter.com/DefenseBaron/status/955523447479853061) Of course, for Washington the SDF/YPG are only useful idiots whom they will sell sooner or later for a deal with a more potent ally. But it is difficult to understand how any progressive person can praise these merchants of US imperialism! Am 22.01.2018 um 20:38 schrieb Nick Fredman via Marxism: The most progressive force in the Middle East -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Northern Syria: Massive ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, foreign intervention and betrayal
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Yes Mike, the “ethnic cleansing” charge that’s been rejected by the UN, SOHR, and an SNC-sponsored investigation, and not used in the relatively fair criticisms of Human Rights Watch or even the more over the top and unfounded Amnesty reports. But fine to blithely use by the laughable conspiracy theorist Roy Gutman. http://links.org.au/fake-news-rojava-revolution And apparently by you. The most progressive force in the Middle East is under existential threat and the solidarity you got is “whatever, they had it coming”. That’s peace and out from me. On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 at 1:30 am, mkaradjis . via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Regarding Turkey’s attack on Kurdish Afrin, controlled by the > Democratic Union Party (PYD) and its militia the Peoples Protection > Units (YPG): two years ago I wrote this article condemning the YPG’s > brutal conquest of the Arab-majority Tal Rifaat-Menagh region of > northern Aleppo province from the democratic rebels (Free Syrian Army > [FSA] and allies), in direct collaboration with the mass murdering > Russian imperialist airforce, which had just recently begun its > Nazi-style Blitzkrieg against Free Syria and thousands upon thousands > of Syrian civilians. > > In that article, I noted in passing how bad what the YPG was doing was > by posing it in reverse: > > “If Turkey were invading and bombing Kurdish Efrin and Syrian rebels > were acting as ground troops and expelling the YPG from Kurdish areas, > it should be vigorously condemned, yet this is not happening; the > exact opposite of that is happening.” > > Full: > https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/northern-syria-massive-ethnic-cleansing-humanitarian-catastrophe-foreign-intervention-and-betrayal/ > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com