[Marxism] Dozens Arrested in Ecuador Police Revolt
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Two things are notable here beyond the obvious. 1. Correa denies USA involvement in the coup. I'm curious if this is a straight up political pronouncement, or if in fact it is the truth, in spite of the news that an SOA grad was at the head of the group of rebellious police. I also wonder how Golinger would respond to this report. 2. Correa acknowledges his intelligence services were deficient. http://ecuador-rising.blogspot.com/2010/10/dozens-arrested-in-ecuador-police.html Thursday, October 07, 2010 Dozens Arrested in Ecuador Police Revolt QUITO – Ecuadorian police have detained almost 50 people for their alleged role in last week’s violent uprising by disgruntled cops, the first large-scale arrests in the wake of what President Rafael Correa labeled an attempted coup. Interior Minister Gustavo Jalkh told Efe that most of the detainees are police who are being held in 24-hour preventive detention. Also detained was a close ally of former President Lucio Gutierrez, Fidel Araujo, who can be seen in television footage of the start of the mutiny at Quito Regiment Number One. “It’s a savage persecution. All due-process rights have been trampled upon,” the attorney for the detainees, Patricio Armijos, told reporters. The government is trying to identify what it considers the focal point of the insurrection, a group of police “with no limits or scruples, with clear political ties, that doesn’t hesitate to kill, kidnap or torture,” the leftist president said Wednesday in a session with foreign correspondents at the presidential palace. “We won’t allow these types of far-right paramilitary groups to be created in Ecuador,” he added. Indeed, a main concern of the government is that a mass purge of the police will drive rogue officers to form illegal armed groups, a senior government official, who requested his name be withheld, told Efe. Correa has denounced the existence of the so-called Police Armed Group, or GAP, which he said sent messages and posters to officers in the days prior to the revolt to stir up discontent. The government did not detect this “disinformation campaign” prior to the uprising, the president acknowledged. “The intelligence services failed,” said Correa, who added that he went in person to Regiment Number One because he believed the officers who had occupied those installations on the capital’s north side were merely staging a protest. “We didn’t gauge the magnitude of the problem,” said Correa, who was roughed up while trying to reason with the rebellious police before being effectively held hostage at a nearby hospital for more than 12 hours until loyal police and troops rescued him amid a hail of gunfire from the mutinous cops. He said Ecuador’s intelligence services had previously depended financially on the U.S. embassy and that his administration is acting autonomously in reconstructing those agencies. He also linked Washington to a subversive core of police that he said is upset over investigations into human rights abuses and angered about the cutting off of some units’ ties with the U.S. embassy, adding that “those people received a lot of funds unofficially.” However, Correa made it clear that the revolt “had nothing to do with the government of (Barack) Obama,” who, a U.S. official told Efe, telephoned the Ecuadorian leader Wednesday to express support. Obama “reiterated the United States’ support for President Correa and the Ecuadorian democratic institutions,” the official said on condition of anonymity. A state of emergency remained in effect Wednesday in Ecuador and soldiers were in charge of protecting the National Assembly and other institutions. The police unit assigned to the legislature has been relieved of its duties because of suspicion it collaborated with the mutinous police. The ostensible cause of last week’s rebellion was the National Assembly’s failure to override Correa’s veto of a measure exempting police and the military from an overhaul of public-employee pay. While the plan, which became law Monday, eliminates various annual bonuses automatically paid to police, soldiers and other civil servants once they achieve specified levels of seniority, the government points out that cops have seen their base pay doubled since Correa took office in 2007. One soldier and a civilian supporter of the president were killed by gunfire from the police rebels during the operation to rescue Correa from the hospital. Nationwide, eight people died and 274 others were wounded in incidents related to the mutiny. Correa has publicly blamed the Sociedad Patriotica party, founded by former President Gutierrez, for the rebellion, though the erstwhile head of state – living in exile in Brazil – denies any involvement. EFE Posted by Ecuador Rebelde
[Marxism] America on a debt diet
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[Marxism] V.S. Naipul: what a jerk
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article7167342.ece V. S. Naipaul, a misanthrope abroad Rage, derision, dead cats and money-protecting herbs, as the man without loyalities sneers his way through Africa by William Boyd V. S. Naipaul THE MASQUE OF AFRICA Glimpses of African belief 325pp. Picador. £20. 978 0 330 47205 0 In her great poem “Questions of Travel”, Elizabeth Bishop outlines the quandary that all long-distance travellers put to themselves at some stage of their journey: “Should we have stayed at home and thought of here? . . . Is it right to be watching strangers in a play / in this strangest of theatres?” It’s a good question for an elderly novelist pondering a trip to Africa to revisit some of the places that inspired his earlier work. It’s one that Evelyn Waugh might have asked himself in 1959 as he set off for East Africa; one he might have reiterated as he wrote up his journey in what became A Tourist in Africa (1960) – a book that even the most fervent Waugh admirers consider his laziest and worst. Similarly, Vidiadhar Surajprasad Naipaul, born in Trinidad in 1932, knight of the realm, laureate of the Nobel Prize for Literature, might also have questioned himself in 2008 as he prepared to leave for Uganda and other African countries, West and South, unifying his peregrinations under the vague subtitle “Glimpses of African belief”. In fact, the comparisons with Waugh don’t need to end there: it’s an interesting thought-experiment to look at the two writers’ careers and to consider V. S. Naipaul as a kind of Caribbean Waugh. Both were precocious schoolboys who won scholarships to Oxford. Waugh was a distinctively small man – so is Naipaul: both around five foot, six inches. Both took bad degrees and in the doldrums of their post-Oxford lives half-heartedly attempted suicide (Waugh by drowning, Naipaul by gassing). Their early novels were brilliantly original comic satires before the later work assumed more gravitas and the humour diminished. And in their personas, also, both men reinvented themselves in early middle age and took to wearing masks, masks that eventually “ate into the face”. In these masks they delighted in expressing outrageous, unfashionable, ultra-right-wing opinions and the more the metropolitan intelligentsia howled and railed at them the more gleeful they were. Both men, late in their lives, went to Africa to write a travel book. One of the obvious differences between them, however, is that Waugh saw his travel writing as hack-work – it paid well and it got him out of England in the winter. In Naipaul’s case it could be argued that “V. S. Naipaul” was in fact made by his serious reportage, more than his novels. Distance in time and ever-changing history may have blurred the effect of the books that appeared in the 1960s, 70s and 80s such as An Area of Darkness, The Overcrowded Barracoon, India: A wounded civilisation, Among the Believers and The Return of Eva Perón, among others, but the caustic, unsparing prescience of these essays and their cool, immaculate style made Naipaul’s international name – however controversial they were. Naipaul, considered as novelist alone – as the author of such novels as The Mystic Masseur, The Mimic Men, A House for Mr Biswas, and Guerrillas – might today have a wholly different reputation and might be regarded as the most interesting precursor of what has been called Commonwealth Literature, the godfather of that explosion of talent in the 1980s and onwards of writers from the former British Empire such as Salman Rushdie, Ben Okri, Rohinton Mistry, Caryl Phillips, Romesh Gunesekera, Monica Ali, Tash Aw and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, to name a few. But the reportage was different. Naipaul remade the genre – each new Naipaul journey was a form of literary-political event. We waited for his dispatches from the Third World with an excited apprehension that was unique for a non-fiction writer. What can of worms would be opened here? What startling jeremiads would thunder forth? However, there is a new problem for avid readers of Naipaul – an inescapable one. Since the publication of Patrick French’s astonishing and extraordinary authorized biography of Naipaul, The World Is What it Is (2008), all of Naipaul’s work must now be read through the filter of the revelations that French detailed. Such knowledge about the private person is unparalleled in the case of an eminent living writer; Naipaul’s very being is exposed in French’s biography with total, embarrassing candour. We know too much about V. S. Naipaul, now, we have too much information: Naipaul’s work – past, present and future – is irrevocably transformed by the
[Marxism] No Groove, Just One Nation Under a Grip By Jared A. Ball
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == No Groove, Just One Nation Under a Grip By Jared A. Ball Black Agenda Report, October 6, 2010 http://blackagendareport.com/?q=content/one-nation-under-grip-not-groove A rally for jobs, justice and education that occurs only two years after the election of a president and party who apparently cannot deliver either and which blames not the party in power for those two years but only the fringe elements of the out-of-power right wing, is a rally that even with a George Clinton performance is One Nation under no groove only a grip. And this grip of the Democrats is no soft hold. It is a death grip. It is a strangle hold designed to squeeze the life out of progressive elements within their own party and throughout the rest of the country—indeed the world. In what is being heralded as a largely successful mobilization of a young, energetic, diverse movement led by unionized labor and civil rights organizations was really a carefully manicured slap in the face of those traditions of struggle. Rather than the traditions of each, which include bold, strong irreverent organized acts of disobedience today’s versions are safely cajoled spokespersons of the liberal element of the ruling elite. For those who have been coming to Washington, DC for decades to attend these kinds of rallies there was absolutely nothing new. First and foremost is that it was yet another march in DC that had nothing to do with the immediate concerns of most of the residents of DC. Secondly, there were the same tributes to organized religion, pledges of allegiance to the United States and a choir-styled national anthem meant to convey a fraudulent grassroots image and inclusion of the Black working class. But mostly it was the same in that it held out no real challenge to power, no threat of a push against liberalism or conservative Democratery. There were the regular co-opted calls of “power to the people,” quotes referencing A. Phillip Randolph’s that enemies of healthcare, education and jobs are “enemies of the Negro,” comparisons made between the Tea Party and the old Dixiecrats and even an extended reading by several young people of Dr. King’s, “I Have A Dream” speech. But there was only scant reference of King’s own disillusion with his dream or the fact that the Dixiecrats of old are the Democrats of today and that these are still the “enemies of the Negro.” But worst of all was the consistent and clear message that the problems we face today are the result of “40 senators” and a rabid right-wing of the country whose persistent responses of “no” have held back our innocent, even heroic, current president. The calls for jobs, peace, healthcare and education were simply hollow given that the president all of these people elected has done nothing to advance any of these issues in ways that did not more so advance the interests of the very entities who benefit by the currently horrible conditions of each. The proud traditions of labor and human rights struggles in this country and around the world are disrespected by a leadership that simply says to vote for the Democrat who will beautify our oppression rather than end it. The argument coming loud and clear from the podium Saturday was simply that if you don’t again vote for the Democrats and Obama then there was no point in having voted for them in the first place. There was no point then and there is no point now. A banker’s party is a banker’s party no matter the color or gender of the candidate. There was one white man I heard this weekend who seems to have not completely lost his mind. David Swanson of the Progressive Democrats of America actually called for us to devalue the role of elections and the presidency itself by massive, even disruptive civil disobedience and grassroots organization. He is absolutely correct. Calls that we vote specifically because of the lives given toward achieving that right usually miss the point of what those fighting for the vote actually wanted that exercise to deliver. Marches that only belatedly call for the elected to deliver that which their benefactors have assured they cannot are simply foolishness. New directions with newly-developed methods of popular and public challenges are needed. For in the end Dick Gregory was right. By consistently voting for the lesser of evil and by never seeking the truth about the assassinations of people we march in honor of we follow the path that leads us to Nazis. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] (Fwd) Eva Golingerinfo on NDI
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == (Upon enquiry to Eva, she sent me a URL with two references to influence by NDI. I'm guessing that Conaie defenders will say that these are somewhat obscure links, but here they are... and I'm merely passing along this info, since I'm not qualified to assess whether there's lasting influence and manipulation, or not.) The master trainers have provided training for political parties in the following countries: Ecuador -Pachakutik,E thical and Democratic Network (Red Etica y Democracia-RED) Ecuador RED congresswoman Martha Rolds reported that NDI's Triangle of Party Best Practices helped her understand member concerns and provided members an opportunity to identify specific interests for their activism and support ofthe movement. Original Message Subject:Re: Hola Eva Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:32:30 -0430 From: Eva Golinger evagolin...@gmail.com To: pb...@mail.ngo.za Thanks Patrick. This document is very clear that Pachakutik and RED (both the political arms at the time of CONAIE) were receiving training and funding from NDI/NED in Ecuador at least since 2005-2006. http://centrodealerta.org/documentos_desclasificados/usaidned_funding_political_.pdf I would appreciate your passing it on to that list. I do not make any claims that cannot be substantiated by irrefutable documentation. Thank you. Eva On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Patrick Bond pb...@mail.ngo.za mailto:pb...@mail.ngo.za wrote: Hi Eva, I'm not sure if you have anyone to forward the various listserve mentions of your work, but if not, here's one that might be worth doing further analysis of? Abrazos, Patrick Original Message Subject:Re: [Marxism] Golinger's charges are true Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:37:39 -0400 From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com mailto:l...@panix.com Reply-To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu mailto:marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu To: pb...@mail.ngo.za mailto:pb...@mail.ngo.za == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 10/7/2010 11:19 AM, Greg McDonald wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Louis Proyectl...@panix.com mailto:l...@panix.com wrote: http://www.ned.org/publications/annual-reports/2006-annual-report/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/description-of-2006--4 not seeing anything in this 2006 report to indicate CONAIE or Pachakutik received anything. You're right. Heck's article is a classic six degrees of separation piece. People in the groups that received NED funding were also involved with CONAIE. This got translated by Golinger into Organizations in Ecuador such as Participación Ciudadana and Pro-justicia [Citizen Participation and Pro-Justice], as well as members and sectors of CODEMPE, Pachakutik, CONAIE, the Corporación Empresarial Indígena del Ecuador [Indigenous Enterprise Corporation of Ecuador] and Fundación Qellkaj [Qellkaj Foundation] have had USAID and NED funds at their disposal. Unless she has information that was not based on Heck's google exercise, I am inclined to write this off as a smear. Send list submissions to:Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu mailto:Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at:http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/pbond%40mail.ngo.za Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] From Naomi Klein's office (urgent)--error in Marxmail post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dear Mr. Proyect, My name is Rajiv Sicora, and I work as a research assistant for the journalist Naomi Klein (www.naomiklein.org). Today, one of your users, Greg McDonald, re-posted a Narco News piece on Marxmail (http://www.marxmail.org/msg82905.html) that originally contained a very serious error about Naomi's views. The error has since been acknowledged and corrected on Narco News (http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/4149/statement-ecuadors-most-important-social-movements), but it remains uncorrected in your user's post. We would greatly appreciate it if you could post the corrected version of the Narco News article in the appropriate thread. I have copied it below for your convenience. Thanks very much, Rajiv Sicora Klein Lewis Productions http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/4149/statement-ecuadors-most-important-social-movements Note by Al Giordano: During Thursday's coverage of events in Ecuador, we accepted on face value that it was an attempted coup d'etat and saw the same international forces behind the 2009 Honduras coup involved in these events. Now that the immediate dangers have subsided is the moment to reflect more deeply as to what occurred and why. We also defended Ecuador's most important coalition of social movements, the Federation of Indigenous Nationalities of Ecuador (CONAIE, in its Spanish initials) from a vicious smear and innuendo campaign against it by North Americans like Eva Golinger, Jean-Guy Allard, and on her Twitter feed, Naomi Klein (see correction down below) who recklessly accused the indigenous women and men of the CONAIE of being agents of imperialism and recipients of funds from US AID and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). ... Update and Correction: A reader, Dawn Paley, writes us: Hi Al, In your post yesterday on Narco News, you wrote that on her Twitter feed, Naomi Klein recklessly accused the indigenous women and men of the CONAIE of being agents of imperialism and recipients of funds from US AID and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). I've carefully reviewed Naomi's twitter feed from that day and following days, and she did no such thing. On the contrary, she repeatedly challenged Golinger's position. I hope that you'll correct this error as soon as possible. thanks, Dawn Paley We have reviewed Klein's Twitter feed and conclude that Dawn is correct. The confusion stemmed from Twitter posts from Golinger to Klein. We regret the error and extend our apology to our readers and to Naomi Klein. Thank you, Dawn, for bringing the error to our attention. We are actually relieved that the truth is better than our error in this case. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Randhir Singh on the current political situation in India
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[Marxism] re statement by CONAIE
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Whatever the merits of their grievances, the statement by CONAIE looks like it offers a green light to another coup--- this one with the support of the military: The Alleged Coup d'Etat, Democracy, and the Indigenous Organizations By Marlon Santi President, CONAIE We energetically announce that there never was any attempted coup d'etat, much less a kidnapping... We do not recognize this dictatorial democracy .. We demand the constitutional suspension of the National Congress ... -- - Michael A. Lebowitz Professor Emeritus Economics Department Simon Fraser University University Drive Burnaby, B.C., Canada V5A 1S6 Home: Phone 604-689-9510 Cell: 778-230-6137 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] From Naomi Klein's office (urgent)--error in Marxmail post
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Re: [Marxism] (Fwd) Eva Golingerinfo on NDI
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Greg McDonald gregm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Patrick Bond pb...@mail.ngo.za wrote: (Upon enquiry to Eva, she sent me a URL with two references to influence by NDI. I'm guessing that Conaie defenders will say that these are somewhat obscure links, but here they are... and I'm merely passing along this info, since I'm not qualified to assess whether there's lasting influence and manipulation, or not.) The master trainers have provided training for political parties in the following countries: Ecuador -Pachakutik,E thical and Democratic Network (Red Etica y Democracia-RED) Ecuador RED congresswoman Martha Rolds reported that NDI's Triangle of Party Best Practices helped her understand member concerns and provided members an opportunity to identify specific interests for their activism and support ofthe movement. Original Message Subject: Re: Hola Eva Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:32:30 -0430 From: Eva Golinger evagolin...@gmail.com To: pb...@mail.ngo.za Thanks Patrick. This document is very clear that Pachakutik and RED (both the political arms at the time of CONAIE) were receiving training and funding from NDI/NED in Ecuador at least since 2005-2006. http://centrodealerta.org/documentos_desclasificados/usaidned_funding_political_.pdf Golinger should be ashamed of herself if this is all she can pull out of her ass. This is one woman who attended an NDI training in 2006, with a group called RED, which I've never even heard of. And someone attended from Pachakutik. Wow. That nails it. BIG fucking conspiracy. Here's what Giordano has to say: Greg - You have given us the link to a document that Golinger claims documents her statements. I have just read that document and it does no such thing. (Typical of that source to toss out a lng document and claim it makes her case, counting on folks not to bother reading it.) All it shows is that in 2005 or 2006 (when either Lucio Gutierrez or Alfredo Palacio were president) the NDI spent a total of $1700 in Ecuador to send two trainers (at a cost of $850 apiece) to Quito to conduct a training session for members of a political party, and shows absolutely no funds given to anyone in Ecuador. The CONAIE, of course, is not a political party. I invite you to write to me at narcon...@gmail.com if you think that document proves the outrageous claims of Golinger, and show me what I'm supposedly missing. The Pentagon Papers, it ain't. Nor is it WikiLeaks. It's a Joe McCarthy stunt, waving a piece of paper around yelling I have a list. But, jebus, I wish people would use their heads more. How is it that having attended a training session - even if it is the same people (which the document does not at all prove or even suggest and I wince at repeating the falsehood even to counter it, because that's how rumor-mongering and defamation works) - somehow determine what positions those folks are going to take in 2010 regarding a different president? The whole basis is absurd and you ought to consider it an insult to your own intelligence that she thought you would buy that snake oil. Patrick, is that really all she has? Greg Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] re statement by CONAIE
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:46 PM, michael a. lebowitz mlebo...@sfu.ca wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Whatever the merits of their grievances, the statement by CONAIE looks like it offers a green light to another coup--- this one with the support of the military: The Alleged Coup d'Etat, Democracy, and the Indigenous Organizations By Marlon Santi President, CONAIE We energetically announce that there never was any attempted coup d'etat, much less a kidnapping... We do not recognize this dictatorial democracy .. We demand the constitutional suspension of the National Congress ... -- - Michael A. Lebowitz Professor Emeritus Economics Department Simon Fraser University University Drive Burnaby, B.C., Canada V5A 1S6 Home: Phone 604-689-9510 Cell: 778-230-6137 You infer that the suspension of the legislative body could be unconstitutional. In fact, it is something the Ecuadorean Constitution specifically allows and has been openly under consideration and even called for by President Correa himself. On that matter, the CONAIE and Correa seem to be in agreement. in fact, Correa was publicly considering such a suspension, but as per usual, he backed down. Thus the CONAIE call for a constitutional suspension. The fact is, Correa has refused time and again to implement procedures and policies agreed upon in the constituent assembly, Michael. He keeps pandering to the right wing of his own party, rather than responding positively to the demands of the popular movement. Greg Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] (Fwd) Eva Golingerinfo on NDI
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == So... she says: This document is very clear that Pachakutik and RED (both the political arms at the time of CONAIE) were receiving training and funding from NDI/NED in Ecuador at least since 2005-2006. And the document: 1. Does not show any receipt of funding of any kind. 2. Uses the phrase at the time which means she knows that the party and the CONAIE had a falling out, but this still, to her, proves something, she isn't exactly clear on what. 3. Uses the phrase at least since to imply subsequent funding or training, as if it is an ongoing thing, something that she offers no evidence of at all. That's all she ever does. She pays Jeremy Bigwood (presumably with $ from the Venezuelan government) to do FOIA requests, he gives her documents like this, and anyone's name she finds in them then is on her blacklist. Not just them, but their political arms, cousins, brothers, people from the same town, or who once were in the same organization, everybody is GUILTY. Of what? She never says. But it is strongly implied that they are bought and paid for by US imperialism. She always bios herself as an attorney. No wonder she doesn't practice law. She'd never win a single court judgment with specious guilt-by-association arguments like these. Al Giordano Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] CONAIE and PACHAKUTIK did not oppose the attempted coup in Ecuador
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == We have already seen CONAIE statement where they indirectly support the attempted coup. Here is a press release from another group made during the attempted coup which is more explicit. If there was an attempted military coup against Obama would we come out with statements attacking Obama for all the things he has done, or would we come out in the streets to oppose the coup? I guess Greg McDonald and these two indigenous groups would find it appropriate to be attacking Obama not the coup plotters. Whether Eva Golinger has more evidence of their being in the pay of NED, we will wait and see. But certainly they are acting like they are on the US government's payroll. We at least know they aligned themselves with imperialism during the coup attempt - the only question is whether they got paid for that or did it for free. PACHAKUTIK ASKS PRESIDENT CORREA TO RESIGN AND CALLS FOR THE FORMING OF A SINGLE NATIONAL FRONT Press Release 141 In the face of the serious political turmoil and internal crisis generated by the dictatorial attitude of President Rafael Correa, who has violated the rights of public servants as well as society, the head of the Pachakutik Movement, Cléver Jiménez, called on the indigenous movement, social movements and democratic political organizations to form a single national front to demand the exit of President Correa, under the guidelines established by Article 130, Number 2 of the Constitution, which says: “The National Assembly will dismiss the President of the Republic in the following cases: 2) For serious political crisis and domestic turmoil.” Jiménez backed the struggle of the country’s public servants, including the police troops who have mobilized against the regime’s authoritarian policies which are an attempt to eliminate acquired labor rights. The situation of the police and members of the Armed Forces should be understood as a just action by public servants, whose rights have been made vulnerable. This afternoon, Pachakutik is calling on all organizations within the indigenous movement, workers, democratic men and women to build unity and prepare new actions to reject Correa’s authoritarianism, in defense of the rights and guarantees of all Ecuadorans. Press Secretary PACHAKUTIK BLOQUE” Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Economics, Ethics and the Good Life
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I just gave this lecture regarding the decoding of economics. The subject matter was different from any other I have given. I describe how the subject mutated with the changing needs of the ruling classes. The audience included the public at large, students of economics, philosophy, and other subject. The first couple sentences were directed at the way that I was introduced. http://www.archive.org/details/EconomicsEthicsAndTheGoodLife_690 -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 530 898 5321 fax 530 898 5901 http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] CONAIE and PACHAKUTIK did not oppose the attempted coup in Ecuador
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 10/7/10 8:27 PM, Greg McDonald wrote: But speaking of Obama, Correa, and USAID, is anyone interested in researching how much and what type of material aid the US government provides to the Correa administration? Maybe it is best to avoid thinking in these terms lest you end up dealing with Ecuador the way that Yoshie deals with Iran. There is a real problem with trying to figure out the politics of a nation based on which side the USA is funding. Keep in mind that Fidel Castro in touch with the CIA at one point as NPR reported: I had most contact with what was the civil resistance movement, Chapman says. They formed a group to support the revolutionaries, and I had very good contact with them. And I occasionally had contact with the underground itself, the 26th of July Movement. It was great because there was action taking place at all times. Some writers have alleged that Chapman covertly aided Castro and his followers, even that he personally directed $50,000 in CIA funds to the rebel group. Chapman vigorously denies such allegations, saying he was suspicious of Castro and dutifully reported that the Cuban had Communist connections. But Chapman says the CIA officer who immediately preceded him in Santiago, Bill Patterson, was indeed sympathetic to the revolutionary movement, and says he doesn't rule out the possibility that Patterson may have given Castro's movement some material support. full: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98921086 I should add that the Oscar Heck article that got this business started was accurate, but compromised by the fact that it cited NED and USAID support for indigenous groups in 2006. This is before Correa took office. My guess is that the NED and USAID doled some funds, but not a lot, in order to exercise some control over major players in Ecuadoran politics. Goldman-Sachs does the same thing when it dishes out money to the Republicans and Democrats alike. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] CONAIE and PACHAKUTIK did not oppose the attempted coup in Ecuador
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I agree with all of Louis' points about how to approach these questions. Evidence of any l;inks at any time in any form between CONAIE and NED or US AID don't, in and of themselves, prove that they are therefore doing imperialism's work. Ho Chi Minh worked directly for the Americans during World War II. Applying the reductionist argument some apply to various groups and movements, he would be forever tainted as a US stooge. The key is politics - what political relationship the different forces have to imperialism. I don't see any convincing argument that CONAIE are agents of imperialism. But nor can I see a convincing argument that their position on the coup was justified. I think they are wrong, but you don't need to be paid agents of imperialism to be wrong. Stuart Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Kwame Somburu reflects on Palestine solidarity and American Trotskyism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Ordinarily I don't waste comrades' time with anything having to do with the American SWP, a pretty much moribund organization, but this really fascinating. For comrades' information, here are Kwame/Paul's comments in the Socialist Voice discussion [on the SWP's crappy position on the Middle East]: Kwame Somburu on 08 Aug 2010 at 6:18 pm # My birth name was Paul Boutelle, and in 1979 I changed it to Kwame Somburu. I joined the SWP in 1965, and was its candidate for public office 8 times – including Vice-President in 1968. In July 1970, 100 Black Americans placed a full page ad in the New York Times, that called upon Black Americans to support the state of Israel, because it is the only democracy in the Middle East. It also wanted the U.S. Gov't. to give Israel all the weapons it needs to defend itself. I took extreme umbrage at that reactionary stance, and immediately began to organize Black opposition to it that created the Committee of Black Americans for Truth About the Middle East (COBATAME), and I was its Chairman. In August, 1970, I was one of five African Americans that were guests of the General Union of Palestine Students for a tour of their living areas and commando camps in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria. I was not able to get any type of support or encouragement from any of the leadership of the SWP, for the trip. I recall vainly asking Farrell Dobbs, for film, or to get the party to donate money for varied information gathering expenses. Absolutely no official support came forth, and no Black comrade was even interested in going on the trip. I was a New York City cab driver at the time, and had no income if I did not work. So, when I went on that month long trip, it was a financial hardship. During the summer and early fall, I began to publicize for placing a counter ad in the Times. It appeared on November 1st, 1970. The following is from: Black Viewpoints on the Middle East conflict. While many Black Americans have supported the Jewish cause, there have been those who have opposed it. In 1970 the Committee of Black Americans for the Truth About the Support of the Zionist Government of Israel placed an appeal in the New York Times which proclaimed the solidarity of Black Americans with Palestinian brothers and sisters who like us are struggling for self-determination and an end to racist oppression.12 Israel was compared with Rhodesia and South Africa as privileged white settler states that came into existence by displacing indigenous peoples. The signatories sought to make clear that they were not anti-Jewish, but instead, anti-Zionist. The ad had 57 signatures including mine as chairman, and also six Black SWP members, including Clifton DeBerry, the SWP candidate for President in 1964. Within a few weeks after the ad appeared, I was able to get hundreds of poster size copies made. and sent many of them to SWP/YSA chapters nationwide, and had some stored at the National Headquarters at 410 West St. I am willing to state that none of those posters were used, and the ones in storage were thrown away without my knowledge during the fall of 1970. One of the photos that I took in the Middle East was used for the cover of Intercontinental Press (I believe in December). A few of the Black members, and Gus Horowitz, were apologetic for lack of interest and support. I am totally willing to stand by every word in this commentary: in written or oral form. Yours for Revolutionary Truth, Kwame Montsho Ajamu Somburu Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Kwame Somburu reflects on Palestine solidarity and American Trotskyism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Paul Boutelle / Kwame Somburu had the respect of every dissident I ever knew in the SWP. There were pervasive rumors that he had developed serious differences around this time with the leadership, and this story may explain some of it. I know that he never participated in the ritual internal denunciation of whoever the current minority in the SWP might have been. This alone made him an exceptional party leader...and it also meant that he was unlikely to remain a leader of the SWP for long. I'm very gratified to know that he's still at it. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Reactionary wins Nobel Prize in literature
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=350264CategoryId=14094 Vargas Llosa Booed at Opening of Museum Honoring Pinochet Victims SANTIAGO – The heckling of writer Mario Vargas Llosa and the abrupt appearance of the sister of a Mapuche Indian killed by Chilean police marred the opening of the Museo de la Memoria, intended to honor victims of the late Augusto Pinochet’s 1973-1990 dictatorship. Presiding over Monday’s ceremony was Chilean head of state Michelle Bachelet, who was imprisoned and tortured during the military regime. She was accompanied by the other three presidents who have ruled Chile since the return of democracy – Patricio Aylwin, Eduardo Frei and Ricardo Lagos – along with numerous ministers and lawmakers. Also present was Peruvian-born novelist Vargas Llosa, who has been in Santiago since last week as a guest of right-wing presidential candidate Sebastian Piñera, who has won the endorsement of the acclaimed writer. Piñera will challenge Eduardo Frei next Sunday in a runoff. “Get out, get out!” those seated near Vargas Llosa began to shout as he talked to reporters before the event began. “In an electoral campaign the atmosphere always gets a little tense, but I have the impression that this is a small group and that most people are showing all the sophistication they should in such cases,” Vargas Llosa said when asked about the heckling. Soon afterwards Bachelet arrived and toured the museum accompanied by the three ex-presidents and afterwards gave an address, which was interrupted by the unexpected shouting of two young women. One of them, identifying herself as the sister of Mapuche college student Matias Catrileo who was gunned down by police in January 2008, climbed a lamp post along with another young woman and began to plead for justice and respect for the rights of Chile’s indigenous people. “In Chile human rights are being violated,” the woman said, while throwing papers in the air that read, in reference to the Mapuche conflict, “In democracy torture continues and our people are still in jail!” After interrupting her speech and remaining silent for a few seconds, Bachelet replied that “I understand your pain, but in a democracy justice is done and justice will be done. That we can assure you.” “Justice that we did not have in those years (the Pinochet era), prison for the guilty that never existed, the complicity of the government that today does not exist,” she said to the applause of the audience and the cries of the two young women, who refused to come down from the top of the lamp post. “Please, I beg your respect for the pain of all these families that like you plead for justice,” Bachelet said as police forced the young women to come down and removed them from the premises. The 650,000-strong Mapuche nation, Chile’s largest indigenous group, is demanding constitutional recognition of its identity, rights and culture, as well as ownership of the tribe’s traditional territory. Their struggle to reclaim ancestral lands from farmers and timber companies led last year to the deaths of two Indian activists in confrontations with police, while a number of Mapuche militants are facing charges for attacks on cargo trucks. The United Nations and organizations such as Amnesty International have voiced concerns about Chile’s treatment of the Mapuches. EFE Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] CONAIE and PACHAKUTIK did not oppose the attempted coupin Ecuador
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Would we come out under the banner of Return Obama to Office Defend Obama's Right to the Presidency? Or would we come out under our own banner, with opposition to the coup and opposition to the conditions that created the coup, the conditions that Obama himself has strengthened with the attacks on immigrants in and out of the workplace, with his support of the Bush doctrines on state secrecy and the immunity of the executive from judicial review in the treatment of prisoners, the brief given to the military and the security agencies to continue intelligence gathering against domestic groups, his consent to the FBI raids against the antiwar organizations in Minnesota? You tell me. - Original Message - From: stansfield smith stansfieldsm...@yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bono Endorses Scrapping the Minimum Wage
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == so that's why I saw him on TV with Pat Robertson about a year ago on some ostensible charitable fund raiser? I chalked that up to naivete at that point, but I guess I was the one who was naive. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Paul Flewers trusscott.foundat...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Bono must rate as one of history's most sanctimonious hypocrites, can any list member think of anyone worse in these stakes? I'm surprised that he hasn't declared himself a saint and threatened anyone criticising him with eternal damnation. Paul F Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/tomcod3%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] There was movement at the station...
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There have been interesting shifts in Indigenous politics here in Oz. They centre on the programs and policies and personality of Noel Pearson, the director on the Cape York Institute - a neo-liberal think tank on Indigenous Affairs. Pearson carved out for himself a considerable space with his argument that passive welfare was to blame for Indigenous disadvantage and to talk of anything else was to make excuses. [I note here *en passant* that in neo-0liberal thought only welfare is passive and not rent or profits]. Predictably enough Pearson's views on welfare made him the most popular of Indigenous Leaders among White Australians. His greatest achievement however was probably the right wing Howard Government's military led intervention into the Indigenous communities of the Northern Territory in 2007. This intervention and the ham-fisted racist way it was implemented has been criticised by almost all Indigenous leaders - with the exception of Noel Pearson and Professor Marcia Langton the former Trotskyist. However with the exception of Michael Mansell, the Indigenous taboo about not criticising another Indigenous leader in public still held. So the White Left slowly oh so slowly worked out Pearson's role as the conduit for the imposition of the neo-liberal agenda in Indigenous Affairs, and anxiously waited for an Indigenous leader to on the offensive against him. However Indigenous Australians remained politely silent. That now appears to have changed totally. Chris Graham, a White Activist penned an article accusing Pearson of articulating what the white man wanted to hear. Graham also labeled Pearson as 'the most loathed person in Indigenous Affairs' http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/29750.html This attack has now been followed by public criticism from the Indigenous militant Murandoo Yanner of Pearson's stance on the Wild rivers in North Queensland. Briefly Pearson has been calling for mining companies to have the right to mine the pristine rivers. Pearson's call has been taken up by Murdoch's *Australian* and the parties of the right http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/12/2790883.htm. Also supporting mining of the rivers is leading industrialist Peter Holmes a Court http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/peter-holmes-a-court-and-sons-on-wild-river-trip/story-e6frg6oo-1225786087045. However traditional owners have now come out and said that Pearson does not speak for them. Whether this will be enough to save the rivers or not remains to be seen. regards Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bono Endorses Scrapping the Minimum Wage
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Bono must rate as one of history's most sanctimonious hypocrites, can any list member think of anyone worse in these stakes? I'm surprised that he hasn't declared himself a saint and threatened anyone criticising him with eternal damnation. Paul F Tony Blair would have to be right up there would he not and him with his bible always to hand. the current occupant of the White House wouldn't be far behind either. comradely Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] CONAIE and PACHAKUTIK did not oppose the attempted coupin Ecuador
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I generally agree with both Sartesian and Greg on Ecuador. But here I disagree him. IF there was a succesful coup against Correa we not only would oppose the coup we would be in the forefront of demanding his return to office. The democratic will of the majority of Ecuadoreans who voted for him based on *their* interests must be defended unconditionally. Honduras is a prime example of this...the masses themselves defined the ONE demand the Imperialists wouldn't compromise or negotiate: the return of Zelaya. There seems to be a general lack of understanding by Sartesian on the issue of democracy and democratic demands. Revolutionaries do not define what these demands are. We can refine them, nuance them, support them, but the people march and mobilize, indeed, they FIGHT for the demands THEY raise, not parties who barely exist or don't exist at all (Marxmail as a 'party', for example). As Marxists we may understand all the limit of capitalist democracy, but that is how all these revolutions *start*. How they end up is likely up to the conscious revolutionaries to put forward an analysis and program to organize the masses to complete *their* democratic revolution, that is, to its *only* successful conclusion. Sartesian *seems* to dismiss this. It is mistake, in my comradely opinion. We don't stand aside from those democratic impulses, we champion, lead and are the best fighters for them. Period. David Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] on education again
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Reading through the Harvard University Report on closing the gap in 15 exemplary schools, I have been repeatedly struck by the lack of money that is allocated to the schools. And there's me thinking that the problems with American education had been caused by unions and lazy teachers. After all that is what Geoffrey Canada told me (and the world). comradely Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] on education again
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Education is a funny business. (Aren't they all?) We've known what works ever since we started establishing schools on a regular basis. Find out what students want to study and connect that to what you want them to learn. That is, you need more teachers, more attention to each individual learner, and more time on task. Yet, the geniuses who dabble in education reform never fail to ignore this. Every year, they invent some great new problem-solving innovation that's going to improve teachingfrom writing across the curriculum to the internet. However, the system is such that misidentify what are good and poor ideas...and to misapply the former in such a way as to make them not work And always in such a way as to reduce the numbers of teachers in secure jobs. Maybe it's not so funny after all ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The boy who took on the Israeli military - and won
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I love the photo of Majed Rabah and his mum Afaf. This is the real meaning of the Zionist occupation terror for the Palestinians and dehumanisation for the Israeli forces. It's great that a victory was won in this instance but as Afaf says many other equal or worse war crimes have been committed by the Israeli armed forces. http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-boy-who-took-on-the-israeli-military--and-won-20101007-169u6.html -- Shared using Google Toolbar Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] CONAIE and PACHAKUTIK did not oppose the attempted coupin Ecuador
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == artesian writes: Would we come out under the banner of Return Obama to Office Defend Obama's Right to the Presidency? Or would we come out under our own banner, with opposition to the coup and opposition to the conditions that created the coup, the conditions that Obama himself has strengthened with the attacks on immigrants in and out of the workplace, with his support of the Bush doctrines on state secrecy and the immunity of the executive from judicial review in the treatment of prisoners, the brief given to the military and the security agencies to continue intelligence gathering against domestic groups, his consent to the FBI raids against the antiwar organizations in Minnesota? You tell me. Stan: Are you trying to make me look stupid or yourself? I suppose if the Tea Party and the military tried to stage a coup, you'd stay at home and make snotty comments about how screwed up the world is? If you do, maybe you could use you time a little better and acquaint yourself with a little episode starring Lenin, Kornilov and Kerensky. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] CONAIE denies NED Charge
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 10/7/2010 7:09 AM, stansfield smith wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Greg McDonald's articles he posted contained this statement by Marlon Santi, President of CONAIE, about the coup in Ecuador. in it the head of CONAIE denies there was a coup in Ecuador. We energetically announce that there never was any attempted coup d’etat, much less a kidnapping, but an event that responded to the uncertain political management of the government that causes popular discontent through permanent aggression, discrimination and violations of human rights consecrated in the Constitution. But that is not what CONAIE said in the early hours of the coup, when it released a press statement condemning it and expressing disappointment that Pachakutik had supported it. Later, it published a statement condeming Correa's policies, but also condemning what it categorically refers to as a coup by the right. http://www.conaie.org/component/content/article/21-noticas-portal/249-llamamos-a-la-unidad-de-las-organizaciones-sociales-por-una-democracia-plurinacional-de-los-pueblos It is only days later that Santi publishes his letter, which now states the unity of Conaie and Pachakutik, and is not signed by the leaders of ECUARUNARI, CONFENIAE, nor CONACNIE, only by Santi. -- - Juan Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] School of the Americas Graduate Involved in Coup Attempt in Ecuador
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.soaw.org/presente/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=328Itemid=74 A School of the Americas graduate has been charged for last Thursday's unsuccessful coup attempt in Ecuador. Colonel Manuel E. Rivadeneira Tello, a graduate of the SOA's combat arms training course, is one of three police officials being investigated for negligence, rebellion and attempted assassination of the president. Rivadeneira was the commander of the barracks where President Correa was attacked by protesting police. The injured Correa was taken to a police hospital were he held hostage by police who threatened to kill him if he escaped. After 12 hours, 500 elite forces stormed the hospital and organized a fiery rescue. By the end of the day 4 people lay dead and over 200 wounded. This is the second coup attempt led by SOA graduates in a little over a year. [...] Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] CONAIE denies NED Charge
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == But that is not what CONAIE said in the early hours of the coup, when it released a press statement condemning it and expressing disappointment that Pachakutik had supported it. Later, it published a statement condeming Correa's policies, but also condemning what it categorically refers to as a coup by the right. http://www.conaie.org/component/content/article/21-noticas-portal/249-llamamos-a-la-unidad-de-las-organizaciones-sociales-por-una-democracia-plurinacional-de-los-pueblos It is only days later that Santi publishes his letter, which now states the unity of Conaie and Pachakutik, and is not signed by the leaders of ECUARUNARI, CONFENIAE, nor CONACNIE, only by Santi. -- - Juan Stan: Yes, you are right. As I read these statements over again, I saw I had overstated the case, and that what you write is a more correct description. CONAIE as a whole opposed the coup attempt when it happened, but its president on October 6 backtracked considerably, actually, over the fence to the other side. If Correa and these groups do not move to correct their serious errors, the CIA and its fronts will have ample space to take advantage of it. Then we will all suffer the consequences. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] golinger's charges are true
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == When I was politically active and always paranoid, I learned to say two things: 1) it's AS IF there's an agent sowing confusion and division amongst us And Whether I have grounds for paranoia or not, when I feel it it's a sign a) to take the work more seriously, and redouble my effort. and b) to not say or do anything I wouldn't want my grandchildren or the FBI to know Oh, and a third, someone else taught(attributed to Lenin, but I couldn't cite): Keep your enemies close Sent from my iPhone Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] golinger's charges are true
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Oh, and a third, someone else taught(attributed to Lenin, but I couldn't cite): Keep your enemies close *Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer*. Sun-tzu. Chinese general military strategist (~400 BC). Also featured in Godfather Part Two *Michael Corleone http://www.imdb.com/name/nm199/*: There are many things my father taught me here in this room. He taught me: keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. comradely gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] White America Has Lost Its Mind
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:14 AM, CeJ jann...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting how more and more the 'brown' military the US sends to control and kill Iraqis and Afghans looks more and more like the very people they are controlling and killing. This is especially true if you look at who are actually the dog soldiers doing things like military convoys and foot patrols in non-glory military specialities (lower enlisted MP, ammunition clerk, a 'specialist' on an armored vehicle'). It's even more true, apparently, of the 'dog sailors' the Navy gave up to the Army in order to fill all these shitty jobs. CJ ^^ CB: Recall the Brown and Black Contras in Afghanistan , Nicaragua, Angola who really looked like the people they were killing. Or what about Black-on-Black crime in the Hood. Rightwingers love to talk about Black-on-Black crime to try to avoid the issue of racism, as if Black bad people means there isn't raging white racism. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Free digital issue of The Nation
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