Re: [Marxism] Iran and anti-imperialism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == And as a matter of fact ANSWER actually had solidarity protests *for the *Islamic Republic and MRZine continually publishes propaganda from that regime. Bad left politics gets a little worse than abstentionism. On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:14 PM, S. Artesian sartes...@earthlink.netwrote: abstentionism, which pretends to take no sides, is actually taking a side, the side of the Iranian government, the side of the status quo, the side of the anti-socialists who are against the fundamental needs of socialism for freedom of speech, assembly, association. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't see how that's possible since it's not his video, worked perfectly fine on my end. On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Bill O'Connor bill...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fct4LIODoM Another private one, Louis. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] IDF faked photos
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The photographic evidence is of course absurd, but they aren't fake (though I chose to run with the story on The Activist). You can tell by the dates on the image tags that the cameras just weren't configured with the correct time and date settings. The activists aren't denying that there weren't small knives, night vision, etc. on the boat. On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: http://ibnkafkasobiterdicta.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/gaza-flotilla-how-israels-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] New Labour
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I'd like to hear Brad's (and I guess, Milliband and Panitch's) version of reality... despite New Labour's best efforts Labour remains a party of the working class and not a social liberal party like the Democratic Party in the US. The core voting base of the party remains the urban working class (and their activists are rooted in the working class). The same for their finances: though after 1997 they had the financial backing of some segments of capital-- particularly finance capital--- Labour is still dependent on trade unions to stay afloat. The bourgeois workers party is riddled with contradictions and I suppose its easier to just dismiss all of them with sweeping statements and proclamations of revolutionary purity: all parties that seek to manage the capitalist state are parties of capital. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, brad babscriti...@gmail.com wrote: Richard wrote: in the *last analysis* the relationship between the Labour Party constitutes an organic connection between party and class. That this is subject to secular deterioration and may finally result in a complete severance doesn't alter the fact that in the present Labour is a party /of /the working class, based /in/ the working class. - I thought this sort of fantasy was displaced long ago by Milliband and Panitch. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on the British vote
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Well, here is the question that divides a lot of the British far-left: how do you united the Left? Do you focus on building social movements from below and expect a new formation to come out that that new terrain over time (or for activists to flood to one of the existing organizations) or is the task at the moment the a new, united organization of revolutionary socialists and politically advanced workers as a prerequisite to meaningful political action (preventing the futile duplication of efforts and the alphabet soup of sects on the radical left)? From the standpoint of an activist in the States, I'd say that this question is pretty damn relevant for us as well. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Gary MacLennan gary.maclenn...@gmail.com wrote: What will be most likely to increase our chances of victory? I don't live in the UK so what I say here is more than somewhat gratuitous. But for a start I would try once more to unite the Left, and I say that with a good deal of knowledge of what that Herculean task would entail. But if we could only find a way to rediscover the success of the 1930s Popular Front without the Stalinism, we might be in with a very real chance. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on the British vote
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances accepting the organic links that the Labour Party has to the British working class and the fact that they are the lesser evil for British workers is empirical fact. On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:38 PM, S. Artesian sartes...@earthlink.net wrote: Geez, that's disappointing. When push comes to shove, it appears comrade Seymour can do no better than run back into Labor's arms. I wish I could say unbelievable, but it's all too believable. Exactly how does even a mercilessly critical support of a Lib-Lab coalition differ from a popular front? Guess what, only in that it would be less left-wing; less popular, and more of a front. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] My pick for best movie of 2010 and I have not even seen it!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == And so the timeless battle between the ironic and the literal mind rages on... On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:10 PM, sha...@aol.com wrote: Why read something or see something before you comment on it? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] On the British election - anything?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == They are encouraging votes, along with the rest of the British left, for Labour candidates running on a no cuts, withdrawal platform. Other Labour candidates are getting challenged by TUSC / Respect... the point is to break people from Labourism, if not completely from Labour in the short-term. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Dan Russell proletarian...@gmail.comwrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Vote Labour? What about TSUC/Respect? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Christopher Hitchens -- An 'Expert' on George Orwell
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I remember asking a teacher whether Old Major was Lenin or Marx in the 8th grade in a not-that-extraordinary public school. Her reply was that he was a amagalmation of the two. I love how Hitchens thinks he's breaking some sort of new ground here Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Jeffrey Thomas Piercy mqd...@mqduck.net wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Funny, I always thought that everyone agreed that Old Major represented both Marx and Lenin. Isn't that what you guys assumed? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The Anatomy of Teabagging
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://theactivist.org/blog/the-anatomy-of-teabagging http://theactivist.org/blog/the-anatomy-of-teabaggingSome still-in-formation thoughts on the Tea Party Movement and fascism. (I wrote this in the presence of one of my friends who does some work with ANSWER here in DC, so feel free to ignore that one observation) Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Has John Rees's crew been reading the Unrepentant Marxist?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == My real bone of contention with the SWP isn't the substance of its politics, but rather how they pursue those politics Engaging in valuable work from below in social movements and in united fronts, but never really broaching idea of the unity of Marxists, as Marxists, in a Marxist party that would allow for permanent factions and freedom of discussion and debate and form the social base for a rejuvenated left. I remember during my first week of my first semester at college when I went to an anti-war rally and was bombarded with Socialist Workers, Revolution! newspapers, even a Workers' Vanguard or two, the PSL's paper, etc and I had no idea what to make of all these left-sects even though I knew my politics were vaguely socialist and I was familiar with the figure of Leon Trotsky (background I doubt most people have). What I see (from afar mind you) are a bunch of groups duplicating each others efforts, a bunch of competiting sects and no viable revolutionary left. Why couldn't SPEW, the SPW and the smaller groupings like the CPGB and Permanent Revolution be in the same party? Given freedom of discussion, I have no doubt that a principled line will win out. I guess this is the definition of a liquidationist stance, but is the alternative for groups like the SPW just hovering around the 5, 6 thousand mark until objective conditions allow for an explosion in their ranks? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Richard Seymour leninstombb...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, Kevin Murphy is a scholar who has worked hard to arrive at his understanding of Stalinism, not least with his /Revolution and Counterrevolution: Class Struggle in a Moscow Metal Factory/. I don't think him at all batty, regardless of how uncivil he might have been to you in the past. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Has John Rees's crew
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == If by the purity of our ideals you mean socialism and if by our actual impotence you mean the lack of socialism in the world, then yes, it's a problem we're all well aware of. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Vladimiro Giacche' md1...@mclink.itwrote: I'm afraid it's hard to find any socialist society in the world on this basis. In the past, in the present as well as in the future. Sometimes I'm inclined to think that the purity of our ideals is a proxy of our actual impotence... Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Has John Rees's crew been reading the Unrepentant Marxist?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Not your most original contribution, but it fits quite well with their hide behind front groups and con the working class towards socialism down the road with transitional demands approach to politics. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: From Rees's How to start a new left wing group: the rules: Avoid the words socialist, communist, Marxist, workers and Party when coining your group's name. It is the 21st century. full: http://www.counterfire.org/index.php/blogs/66-luna17-activist/4573-how-to-start-a-new-left-wing-group-the-rules Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] my review of Robert Fitch's Solidarity for Sale
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://platypus1917.org/2010/04/08/book-review-robert-fitch-solidarity-for-sale-how-corruption-destroyed-the-labor-movement-and-undermined-america’s-promise/http://platypus1917.org/2010/04/08/book-review-robert-fitch-solidarity-for-sale-how-corruption-destroyed-the-labor-movement-and-undermined-america%E2%80%99s-promise/ *ONE HAS TO ADMIRE THEIR PERSISTENCE.* *Labor Notes, *the flagship journal of the domestic labor Left, professes itself to be “the voice of union activists who want to put the movement back into the labor movement.”http://www.labornotes.org/aboutThough stylistically about as riveting as the phonebook, for more than three difficult decades *Labor Notes* has critically observed and recorded organized labor’s endemic corruption, democratic shortcomings, and gross ineptitude in organizing workers in the private sector, where today only 7.2 percent of Americans are unionized. In a typically journalistic manner, most of these problems are blamed on the perfidy of individuals: union staffers and leaders insufficiently committed to class solidarity and grassroots participation. Similarly, the striking decline in union strength is attributed to deindustrialization and the hypermobility of global capital in the neoliberal age. What is needed, according to this standard *Labor Notes* narrative, is new currents within the labor movement to bring to power more dynamic actors capable of meeting the challenges of the new century. In his new book *Solidarity for Sale*http://www.amazon.com/Solidarity-Sale-Corruption-Destroyed-Undermined/dp/189162072X longtime labor activist Robert Fitch http://www.solidarityforsale.com/ begs to differ. “Corruption,” Fitch argues, “flows from the retarded development of American unions, which still haven’t broken out of nineteenth-century models of labor organization” (ix). Modern labor’s rot began at its genesis, Fitch claims. It derives from the exclusionary craft unionism initiated by the American Federation of Labor (AFL). A century ago unskilled workers, minorities, and women were willfully neglected, while mainstream unions opposed even the most rudimentary social democratic legislation to benefit the wider working class. The famous AFL president Samuel Gompers even opposed eight-hour workday legislation on ideological grounds, differentiating the AFL from European unions that he saw as “espousing an effeminate social welfare philosophy as well as a primitive egalitarianism” (40). The AFL was concerned with wages. The mixture of this self-interested “business unionism” and the conditions in certain sectors of the economy like the textile industry, where craft unions predominated and employers were numerically small enough to be cajoled, facilitated the rise of job-control unionism. This rendered workers subservient to union officials doling out jobs, which in turn reinforced an insular culture of loyalty predicated upon fear rather than solidarity. Though defended by many progressives, Fitch sees this uniquely American development as noxious, making domestic unions highly susceptible to penetration by organized crime. Stretches of Fitch’s account read like a crime-noir novel. Questioning the founding narrative of big labor, a tale that conveniently begins with the struggle for the eight-hour day and ends with the New Deal, Fitch airs dirty laundry with the cheek of a muckraking journalist. While such tales of the corruption and mob-dealings of figures like Sam Parks, Cornelius “Con” Sheahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Shea , Jimmy Hoffa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa, and Ron Careyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Carey_%28labor_leader%29 are not entirely ignored by other members of the labor left, they are typically consigned to the realm of anecdotal gossip. In Fitch’s narrative, these are not just the failings of unsavory individuals, but of structurally compromised institutions. [] Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] interview with ISO member in haiti
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == And in their view the Cuban system is a bastardization of the word socialism and though it deserves defense from US imperialism, like any other, it isn't a worker's state. The ISO's stance against what they perceive as state capitalism is them telling the truth about Cuba from their perspective. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Eli Stephens elishasteph...@hotmail.comwrote: In short, telling the truth about Cuba is defending Cuba and the Cuban revolution and the Cuban people from imperialism. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A Fake Fight Over Fake Health Care Reform
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == A young British socialist's take on this very question: http://theactivist.org/blog/copenhagen-protesters-the-media-and-capital . There is one problematic part towards the end, but it's an interesting assessment. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: The inability of the ruling class in the USA to act on its *long term* interests is interesting. Clearly, the damage to the environment threatens the ability of the capitalist system to reproduce itself but nothing seems to get done to fix the problems. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The awful truth about Social Democracy
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Social democrats simply can't operate like they were able to during the 'golden age' of capitalism... even if they *wanted to*, even if *forced* by a militant mass movement. Objective conditions have drastically changed since the early 70s. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Dan d.koech...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Social Democrats NEVER make good on their electoral promises unless they are prompted to do so FROM BELLOW. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How US far left went off rails on health care
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Some thoughts on a way out of the current impasse (got reprinted by a few liberal pubs like Commondreams : http://theactivist.org/blog/a-cloward-piven-strategy-for-single-payer Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] on the French Regional Elections
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Re: [Marxism] Has Hezbollah shifted left?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == From* Mehdi Kia, cut and paste excuse the formatting:* There is no doubt that on the international scene Hezbollah has allied itself with progressive forces (as has the Iranian regime). But to call it anti-imperialist is to misunderstand what social forces can be truly anti-imperialist. It is undoubtedly true that Hezbollah provides social services and security for the Shia poor. But then so do the drug gangs running the flavelas of Brazil, to name but one. What I think is missing in this, and many articles relating to the Shia Islamist movement, is the central role expediency plays in Shia ideology. This is critical for a minority religion trying to survive in the midst of Sunni dominance over the centuries. Khomeini crystallised it in his addition to the constitution of the Islamic Republic when he introduced the concept of *velayate motlaqeh faqih*, which proclaimed that the supreme leader can do anything, and bring in any laws, to strengthen “the Islamic government” - even including the suspension of the fundamentals of religion, such as the daily prayer, fasting, etc. In other words what you say and who you ally with should only have one long-term aim - to consolidate the rule of Islam. It is in this light that we have to accept Khomeini’s pronouncement in Paris that in the post-revolutionary regime communists would be free to organise and that the choice of female attire would be entirely voluntary - only to retract the latter within three months and the former once the Tudeh had served their purpose in 1983. This is how we should view Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah’s ‘progressive’ pronouncements. At its base, the Hezbollah is a top-down, totalitarian movement that splits the working class of Lebanon along Shia, Sunni and Christian (not to speak of male-female) lines. Such an organisation is not in any sense anti-imperialist. Indeed in the long run it will help imperialist domination on the region - as the Islamic regime has done. This should not stop us supporting its legitimate opposition to Israeli rule in the region. But let us spread no illusions over its true historic role - which is to slow down progress, not aid it. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: In his last will and testament in 1989, Ayatollah Khomeini included a scathing attack on communism: Islam differs sharply from communism. Whereas we respect private property, communism advocates the sharing of all things -- including wives and homosexuals. [19] In Tehran, communists and other political dissidents are summarily executed, and outed homosexuals publicly hanged. In Beirut, they walk freely and Hezbollah does not hunt them down. Will Hezbollah ever criticize or break with the Islamic Republic and its founder? full: http://www.zcommunications.org/whither-hezbollah-by-assaf-kfoury Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Perry Anderson idiocy on China
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, it's the piece in question. Anderson's being described with Gramsci's couplet (well not Gramsci's, but since everyone seems to think he originated it) On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Einde O'Callaghan eind...@freenet.dewrote: Ehhhm - in case you didn't notice the piece posted by Louis is actually by the very same Gilbert Achcar. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Perry Anderson idiocy on China
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Is it? Anderson's perspective may have seemed out of place, even pessimistic, on the heels of Seattle, but I'll still defend Renewals and would argue that it has been largely vindiciated. Quoting Elliott's excellent Ends in Sight: A more balanced rejoinder to ‘Renewals’ came from the French Trotskyist Gilbert Achcar. He took issue with the ‘crude economic determinism’ on display in the passage from ‘Renewals’ quoted above, arguing that Anderson’s historical sense deserted him when, in an aberrant wagering on the worse, he looked to ‘a slump of inter-war proportions’ to redound to the benefi t of the left. On the other hand, Achcar noticed something of a paradox missed by many others: ‘In reality, Perry Anderson’s editorial expresses profound pessimism while simultaneously and unmistakably marking a new radicalization: the editor of NLR displays a particularly combative mood.’ This qualifi ed, without altogether cancelling, what was deemed to be Anderson’s ‘historical pessimism’ – the stance of someone ‘who has more and more become a practitioner of the “pessimism of the intellect” championed by Gramsci’. Champion of Gramsci though he undoubtedly is, Anderson would nevertheless dissent here, declining to subscribe to the Sardinian’s voluntaristic couplet: ‘pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will’. As we have seen, the posture he commends is one of ‘uncompromising realism’, repudiating the option of pessimism or optimism, whether of the intellect or the will, as fallacious. [...] The analytical duty to be discharged, closer in temper to Spinoza’s non ridere, non lugere neque detestari, sed intelligere (not to ridicule, not to lament or execrate, but to understand) than to Gramsci’s ‘pessimism of the intellect’, is accurate refl ection of the state of the world. But that need not preclude resistance to it. Two key questions, then: did ‘Renewals’ broadly refl ect the trends of contemporary political history at the time it was written? And has the reaction of ‘resignation’ – even with the qualifi cation: ‘for the foreseeable future’ – precluded resistance to them? Given the Deutscherite cast of Anderson’s Marxism over more than four decades, it would have been surprising to fi nd him enjoining anything other than ‘a lucid registration of historical defeat’ as the sole plausible starting point for what was left of the traditional left in 2000. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: I'm actually just re-reading Considerations on Western Marxism now. I think Perry's piece was engaging, but that line did catch me by surprise (lower case c too)... did he give up on Marxist histography sometime after 1980? Because Arguments Within English Marxism, Considerations and his extended essay on Gramsci from the 1970s are masterpieces. Of his recent stuff I don't know, but I think his Renewals essay from 2000 and his critical coverage of The Age of Extremes have their merits. I'm far more critical of the recent trajectory of Tariq Ali. The key to understanding Perry Anderson is his disillusionment with socialist revolution and a newly developed interest in bourgeois ideology that surfaced in a 2000 NLR article and which should explain his nod to the Brookings Institute guy. This is a good analysis: Issue 88 of INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM JOURNAL Published Autumn 2000 The 'historical pessimism' of Perry Anderson GILBERT ACHCAR Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Perry Anderson idiocy on China
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Instrumentalists? Engels? On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:58 PM, brad bauerly bbaue...@gmail.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == ML wrote- The problem is that Marxists see the State as a mechanism for one class to dominate the society. -- Which Marxists do this? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Unconventional Wisdom: An Interview With Doug Henwood
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Re: [Marxism] Facebook
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There's high levels of narcissism and voyeurism involved with Facebook, but as far as activism goes it's an invaluable tool for bringing out college students to protests and events on campus. Bombard 150 people with an event invitation, get 40 RSVPs and expect a 20 or show to actually show-up. It's not a bad complement to actual flyering. As far as The Activist. You should fan us. 700 people or so have done it already and it would be nice to get a 1000. It's not bad to show support for an anti-capitalist youth blog connected to a growing student organization, despite any political disagreements, right? Facebook fan pages are decent forums for readership interaction and advertising. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Weekly Worker 804 (11/02/2010) now available at www.cpgb.org.uk
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Weekly Worker 804 - Thursday February 11 2010 The latest edition of the Weekly Worker is now available online at www.cpgb.org.uk In this week's issue: LEFT UNITY SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY Tusc poses the necessity of a Marxist party, not a Labour Party mark two, writes Peter Manson LETTERS Moron Chomsky; Bonobo ideas; Befuddled; Marxist fact; Neo-Stalinism; Everything; Disservice; Disrepute; Direct justice; Anti-Semitic?; End detention; Policy demands; THIRD PROGRAMME OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF GREAT BRITAIN This is the Draft programme of the CPGB as agreed by the Provisional Central Committee. It will be put before a special conference of CPGB members before the end of 2010. Comments, suggestions, and criticisms are welcome 1. Our epoch 2. Capitalism in Britain 3. Immediate demands 4. Character of the revolution 5. Transition to communism 6. The Communist Party DRAFT RULES These are the Draft rules of the CPGB as agreed by the Provisional Central Committee OIL-SLICK DIVISIONS International Marxist Tendency has suffered a damaging split. Not a new phenomenon, notes James Turley LEFT IN DIE LINKE LOSES ITS BONAPARTE The resignation of Oskar Lafontaine is a serious blow to the German left party. Tina Becker reports LEFT PLATFORM LINES UP WITH MOUSSAVI The Reesites no longer peddle the line that Iran is a democratic country. But despite Lindsey German’s resignation from the SWP, their support for the ‘green movement’, including the butcher Moussavi, shows that the comrades still have not learned what principled international solidarity is, says Tina Becker A REMINDER The disgraceful role of Campaign Iran, outlined by Tina Becker RIGHT TO A DIGNIFIED LIFE - RIGHT TO A DIGNIFIED DEATH The comfort and self-respect of the incurably ill and the dying must be ensured, writes Eddie Ford MOTHERHOOD AND APPLE PIE Laurie McCauley reports on last Saturday’s surprisingly positive conference of leftwing student activists SOCIALIST ACTION RELEGATES SOLIDARITY Tony Greenstein gives his view of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign annual conference SYMPTOM OF DEMOCRATIC DEFICIT For recallable MPs on a worker’s wage, writes Jim Moody SUPPLEMENT OUR INCOME Robbie Rix asks for some financial support A PDF version of the paper can be downloaded at www.cpgb.org.uk/pdf/ww804.pdf Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Immanuel Kant: An Erotic Life
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://theactivist.org/blog/immanuel-kant-an-erotic-life I'll admit there's nothing really new here if you read the *Irish Times*piece, but there is an explanation of why BHL is my favorite intellectual, which I'm convinced the world has been pining for. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A hiccup from the Cruise Missile left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Can someone explain to me when these left-neoliberals became the Left? On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_left_fights_itself Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Come back Karl
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The system collapsed, because of Western bankers and economically it couldn't have continued for much longer. Thatcher and Bush both were wary of any revolutionary ruptures in Eastern Europe and the course of events didn't suit their model of how the collapse of Stalinism should have continued. The system was plagued by its contradictions and collapsed, but that *doesn't* mean it wasn't a historic defeat for the Left. Destalinization didn't occur, but an authoritarian, neoliberal capitalism took root. I don't see how the spread of capitalist global hegemony can't been seen as a defeat for the anticapitalist Left. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Dogan Gocmen dgn.g...@googlemail.comwrote: Dogan: Well, this was not my claim. I said that the defeat of first socialist attempts was also the defeat of the left in general. This includes all sections or fractions of the left. However, leftists attacking SU they did not cause the defeat but they contributed to that direction. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The words that constantly come out of Chavez's mouth are reflective of a hollow anti-imperialism and the fact that he and Morales are running left-nationalist popular fronts. I doubt a union of South American Soviets were about to pop up before Chavez and co. came around so I'm not attacking him or the PSUV, but I don't think anyone seriously thinks a new international can be built around the Bolivarian Revolution and the theoretical ruminations of Castro. This time around it's just a farce. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Shane Hopkinson s.hopkin...@cqu.edu.auwrote: I'm not overly concerned about Chavez' view of any other person - we need to be concerned about what he's doing for the working people of Venezuela and what (if anything) we can learn from it - not defending everything that comes out his mouth. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Long Live the 5th International!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I never knew of his correspondence and support for Carlos The Jackal, who has turned towards Jihadism while in prison and considers Osama Bin-Ladin an anti-imperialist revolutionary. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Zizek in the Socialist Review (SWP-UK)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fight Club (another masterpiece of the Hollywood left). Really... Fight Club a masterpiece? The left? I think Richard Seymour was right when he described it and American Beauty as pop-Heideggerian. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Maxwell Clark maxclar...@gmail.com wrote: An encouraging development. Is Zizek becoming a partisan activist? Let's hope so, utopians that we all are. --St. Max http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=11020 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Zizek on the Berlin Wall
Zizek is entertaining and defends in his own way the idea of revolution and the continued existence of History in a way that makes him attractive. His politics are muddled, but when he's in town I go to listen to him speak for the anecdotes-- if not all the ideas. I think upper-middle class grad students are the cornerstones of his fanbase. Even though what attracted to me was the fact that he was willing to defend 1789 and 1917 in a way that wasn't in vogue in the mainstream--- his analysis of the French Revolution and his adoration of Saint-Just, the ranting about the imposition of the Idea by the violence and will of a minority and his gross misrepresentations of Lenin (Louis wrote a good article on this) is a bit revolting. Closer to Bruno Bauer than Karl Marx. This article however was quite tolerable. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: Ernest Leif wrote: I'm never sure what all fuss about Zizek is. He seems to me like the Hipster's Marxist, and a thoroughly obtuse one at that. Maybe someone on this list can explain the fascination with his ideas. Jeez, I have the same question. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Gore Vidal in the Atlantic
I think I posted this a while back. It shows what a vile, revolting prick he's become (?) in his old age. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:13 AM, David Thorstad bin...@gvtel.com wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200910u/gore-vidal YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] review of two exhibits on John Brown
The reviewer is quoting text from the Richmond exhibit. It's not explicitly clear that his is endorsing those views, just showing the contrast between how the two exhibits dealt with Brown. On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Andrew Pollack acpolla...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/arts/design/28brown.html?ref=arts The review itself is reactionary -- lumping Brown in with the Oklahoma City bombers! -- but the article has some good links to exhibit samples. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] John Molyneux on party democracy
Louis, I haven't read your article so I'm not sure if you mentioned the context that Molyneux's article is being written in. Molyneux is a strong voice in the SWP attacking the (in my opinion, wrongheaded) no-platform policy BNP policy. The few months before the SWP conference (now) are apparently the only times when members can form factions. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: In the latest issue of International Socialism, a quarterly put out by the British SWP, John Molyneux has an 8600 word article “On Party Democracy” that raises some interesting questions but fails to get to the heart of the real problem in self-declared Leninist vanguards like the SWP. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] self determination for oppressors
I would be wary of such a solution though Louis. France in 1940 is a good example of how fast a terribly oppressive people can transformed into an oppressed group in a flash. Demographically it's also a different game than in Algeria and South Africa and I think it does matter--- in terms of how hard it will be to eradicate Zionism as opposed to those other apartheid states-- that Israel was created on the basis of “exclusion colonization”, relying mostly on Jewish labor, as opposed to regular “exploitation colonization. One state-solution theorists admit that their triumph would lead to a mass exodus of a large percentage of the current population of Israel. This has serious economic, as well as moral implications. I'm tempted to agree, but I see it as sort of a cop out. On paper it's obviously the ideal solution Zionism was a historical crime littered with an inherent racist ethos. But is there any doubt that this solution cannot be solved without the worldwide return of emancipatory politics as opposed to the current paradigm? On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: Marv Gandall wrote: It's not possible to conceive of a socialist revolution in Palestine/Israel which would not involve the participation of the Jewish masses, and if such were to come to pass, the question of a Jewish state, especially in terms of what it has come to represent, would be moot. It's very unlikely that Hebrew-speaking revolutionaries, having shed their blood with Arabic-speaking Palestinians against the Zionists and the Zionist idea, would be asking, if anything, for more than the new state's support for the preservation of their language and culture. But the conflict is not about language and culture. It is about power, land, wealth, etc. And, furthermore, what is so amazing about the Zionist project is its inability to think outside the box. South Africa abandoned apartheid but did nothing to attack the power, land, and wealth of the white minority. A more clever Zionist leadership would abandon the racial basis of the state and put the ineffable Abbas in charge of the government. Nothing would change, however. But since the presence of religious zealots in the veins of Israeli society prevents this, the inevitable outcome will be like Algeria no matter how long it takes. The demographics favor this. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Shlomo Sand reinvents the Jewish people
The project to found Israel as a settler state was and still is “a crime”, said comrade Conrad. But that crime has resulted in the coming into being of an Israeli Jewish, or Hebrew, nation and a working class solution must recognise this reality. While comrade Conrad could envisage the necessity of expelling recent Israeli settlers from the West Bank as part of an agreed democratic settlement, it was out of the question to talk about uprooting the Israeli Jewish people as a whole. The Israeli Jewish nation, like any other, has the right to self-determination, so long as it is not exercised at the expense of the oppression of other peoples. The founding of the state of Israel resulted not only in the creation of an Israeli nation, but a Palestinian nation too. So now there are two mutually hostile nations contesting the same territory. Of course, if the two nations were prepared to join together in a democratic, secular state, that would be an excellent thing, but such a merger could only be achieved on a voluntary basis and the overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews reject it out of hand. What is more, the Israeli state is “armed to the teeth and allied to the US”, the most powerful imperialist country on earth. So how would it be possible to attain a single state in current circumstances? Comrade Conrad concluded by saying that we need to approach the whole question from a different angle - taking the perspective of the Arab revolution as our starting point. The working class “must win leadership of the Arab nation” to achieve a democratic solution for the entire Middle East. A voluntary merger of the Arab peoples under working class hegemony, having defeated Zionism, would certainly grant the Israeli Jewish nation the right to self-determination, including the right to form their own state. http://cpgb.org.uk/worker/789/mapping.php On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Andrew Pollack acpolla...@gmail.comwrote: And the notion that Palestinians SHOULDN'T return and that the current colonizers won't accept being a minority, flies in the face of a variety of historical examples, from Algeria to South Africa and so on. The main lesson of those examples being, of course, that the majority will find a way by whatever means it can to assert its rights. Andy Pollack YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Statement against Government of India ’s planned military offensive in adivasi-popula ted regions
At the end of the day, Louis, Americans feeling the pain at the pump don't complain much about cable news cliches. Not to get emotionally charged or anything. Pull back the curtain. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: At the end of the day ARRGGGH It is bad enough that every single talking head on cable news shows uses this phrase (or throwing somebody under the bus) without us using it. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Anti-Roma racism fuels growth of neofascist party in Hungary
Far too often is it forgotten that more than a quarter million Roma died out of a population of 1 million during the Holocaust. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-hungary-right11-2009oct11,0,1698369.story In Hungary, far right is making gains The radically nationalist Jobbik party won 15% of the vote in elections for EU delegates. The popularity of party leader Gabor Vona, who has started a militia, hinges on hostility toward Gypsies. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Weekly Worker 788 (08/10/2009)
Weekly Worker 788 - Thursday October 8 2009 The latest edition of the Weekly Worker is now available on the CPGB website at www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/788 In this week's issue: VICTORY TO THE POSTAL WORKERS! An overwhelming vote for action is expected. Jim Moody gives the background LETTERS Military angle; Bottom up; Class act; Smash ’em; Sex and power; Rix fix; Disaster LISBON TREATY GETS THROUGH Ireland’s vote highlights the need for a clear, positive working class agenda, writes Anne Mc Shane NEW VISION FOR EUROPE WANTED James Turley argues that the bourgeoisie is incapable of uniting Europe on any secure basis WORK LONGER FOR LESS The Tory conference gave us a flavour of what a Cameron government will bring, writes Eddie Ford ROUGH RIDE FOR SERWOTKA? Dave Vincent thinks Serwotka’s campaign is utterly economistic DEMOCRACY OR OLIGARCHY? Paul Cockshott critiques Mike Macnair’s Revolutionary strategy and argues for a rethink on the question of a democratic republic SEARING INDICTMENT OF US CAPITALISM SPOILT BY NOSTALGIA FOR ROOSEVELT’S NEW DEAL Jim Creegan reviews Michael Moore’s (director) Capitalism: a love story 2009 (no UK release date yet) ENDING OF CPB TRUCE Dave Lynch expects full ‘vote Labour’ mode THINK AGAIN Robbie Rix wants to see some plastic A PDF version of the paper can be downloaded at www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/788/788web.pdf YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] John Holloway speaking in London this month.
I freed janitor's closet in the hallway outside my dormroom as an autonomous space. I also broke dress code at work **twice** last week. Consider the dictatorship of capital over comrades. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] [The Activist] N.W.A.’s Se cond Album, Track Two
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Re: [Marxism] VIDEO: G20 protester snatched by men in military fatiques
I call bullshit, but I reserve the right to be wrong. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Pat Costello pt_coste...@yahoo.com wrote: like something out of a Matt Damon movie. they throw him in an unmarked car and roar off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8CNa_viKg0feature=player_embedded YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Weekly Worker 786 – Thursday Septemb er 24 2009
*Weekly Worker 786 – Thursday September 24 2009* The latest edition of the Weekly Worker is now available on the CPGB website at www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/786 In this week’s issue: SEX AND THE HUMAN REVOLUTION Chris Knight of the Radical Anthropology Group looks at the transition from ape to human and quantity into quality, plus the importance of language, counter-dominance and sex in the human story. LETTERS Disappointing; Draconian; Age of consent; Youth U-turn; Written out; What tactic?; Doomed LEEDS WORKERS ON THE FRONT LINE If the City Council gets away with impoverishing this group of workers, it will be encouraged to take the hatchet to others, writes Jim Moody ESTABLISHMENT UNITY James Turley calls for a powerful workers’ movement needs to offer a real political lead in challenging the power of the capitalists OPPOSING THE CUTS CONSENSUS Peter Manson spoke to Labour left MP John McDonnell about next week’s Labour Party conference, the general election and beyond LOOKING TO LISBON TO END THE CRISIS Use the referendum as a platform to call for working class unity in Europe, demands Anne Mc Shane MASS PROTESTS RE-IGNITE Workers in Iran need our support and solidarity ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE STUNTS AND THE REAL LESSONS OF THE 1930S Calls for state, local government, and BBC censorship and bans will inevitably backfire against the workers’ movement, argues Ben Lewis EXPENSIVE BUNCH OF NOTHING Imperialism - with the US being the absolute hegemon - threatens to annihilate civilisation, writes Eddie Ford SPELLCHECK Robbie Rix asks for support for a space where leftwingers can have their say A PDF version of the paper can be downloaded at www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/786/786web.pdf YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] A few anecdotes about class society
There is this ridiculous car alarm keeping me up, so I figured I would spend the last 30 minutes showing some of my friends and the other assorted 60-70 people a day that read my blog that class society does exist. I think only like 2-3 leftists read my blog, so this is my audience. I'm not sure how much the already conscious would get from this, but as always I welcome informed comments criticisms. http://savingcache.com/?p=154 This may be my last post for a while, because I'm pretty sure I'm going to take a baseball bat to that car, which may or may not have serious legal implications. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/783/oskarlafontaine.php Oskar Lafontaine: ‘We want to govern’ The results for the German left party Die Linke in the August 30 regional elections are impressive, particularly the 21.3% achieved in the federal state of Saarland. But is this the beginning of the end for the “party of opposition”? Tina Becker takes a closer look Germany’s so-called ‘super Sunday’ on August 30 was not so super for everybody. The big parties were big losers. Because the parliamentary elections for the national *Bundestag* are less than a month away (September 27), the elections results in three of the 16 German federal states (Thuringia, Saxony and Saarland) have been interpreted as a ‘dry run’. The conservative Christian Democratic Union of chancellor Angela Merkel did worse than predicted - which means the bad results for the Social Democrats (SPD) did not stand out quite as much as expected. The fact that the SPD share of the vote in the east German federal state of Thuringia, for example, increased from a measly 9.8% to a scarcely less measly 10.4% is hardly worth celebrating - especially as the lowest ever turnout means that, in reality, the number of voters remained roughly the same. The only ones for whom Sunday really was ‘super’ are the smaller parties. The Greens, the Liberal Democrats (FDP) and Die Linke increased their share of the vote almost everywhere and are likely to play the kingmaker in the regional government coalitions that will now be formed. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left
What about the Antikapitalistische Linke and the other opposition groups. I may be wrong, but I heard they form a fairly sizeable minority within the party. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left
There is a militant minority in Die Linke that wants to build an oppositional movement and not be mere left-social democrats. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left
Not only was the content of Richard's post dripping with sarcasm he even put asterisks for extra emphasis. On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com wrote: The point is the absurdity of the notion that the German working class has repudiated bourgeois politics ML YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Weekly Worker 785 (17/09/09) now available at cpgb.org.uk
Weekly Worker 785 - Thursday September 17 2009 The latest edition of the Weekly Worker is now available on the CPGB website at www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/785 In this week's issue: THE FOUR WAGERS OF LENIN IN 1917 The Bolshevik decision to make revolution was based on four key predictions, or ‘wagers’, says Lars T Lih: international revolution, soviet democracy, peasant followership and progress towards socialism. LETTERS Consent confusion; No place; Prejudice; No surprise; Safety valve; Contradiction; Hit first; Prison letter; Free Mahir; Support Sheida SPOT THE DIFFERENCE Some people cannot distinguish a revolutionary alliance from class collaboration. Peter Manson looks at the South African Communist Party’s contradictions REVOLUTION - SEXUAL AND DIGITAL Eddie Ford sees an advance in Downing Street’s belated apology FARCICAL AND REACTIONARY Even by the standards of ‘paedo panic’ hysteria, writes James Turley, plans to vet 11 million adults who come into regular contact with children are absurd LABOUR AND MINI-LABOUR The Trade Union Congress saw a bit of prime ministerial honesty, a lot of hot air, but nothing in the way of concrete measures to protect workers from the effects of the ongoing economic crisis. Phil Ritchie reports SALMOND BANKS ON TORIES The Scottish National Party has called for a referendum on independence, writes Sarah McDonald. How should the left respond? APPRECIATION Robbie Rix urges you to use the now-working button to show it A PDF version of the paper is available at www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/785/785web.pdf YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Good books on 'transition from fordism to postfordism' debate?
*·* *Moishe Postone, History and Helplessness: Mass Mobilization and Contemporary Forms of Anticapitalism*http://platypus1917.home.comcast.net/%7Eplatypus1917/postonemoishe_historyhelplessness.pdf * (2006) * http://platypus1917.home.comcast.net/~platypus1917/postonemoishe_historyhelplessness.pdf On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Joonas Laine jjo...@nic.fi wrote: can anyone recommend good books on the debate about transition from fordist to postfordist capitalism that put it in some perspective (also globally), preferably with statistical information to make the points, instead of merely philosophising about changed perceptions people have towards their work etc..? YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] India: An Update from Lalgarh
Anyone who has been to West Bengal or anywhere in the Red Corridor would know that there is little support for the Maoists among the Indian working class. I can't testify to the level of support that they have with peasants and among groups suffering from the fractious and uneven growth that taken place in India in the past few decades, but they cannot win in India. They don't have vision that will win over or help Indian workers. And Comrade Roy is right to criticize their tactics. There is a lot wrong with the CPI-M. There has historically always been a lot wrong with the CPI-M since the 1920s when MN Roy and the talented core of their cadre were expelled by Stalin's Cominterm. I just wouldn't view these Maoists through rose-colored lenses, especially from afar. (I do support the CPN-M in Nepal). Politicus E. wrote: Ragesh Roy wrote: my remark was a criticism of Maoist violence in Bengal, and their opportunistic alliance with Mamta Banerjee against the CPI(M).. I support the CPI(M).. over the last five days, about 15 people including CPI(M) cadre have been murdered by these petty criminals who dream of bringing revolution to India through cold-blooded murder.. Comrade Roy, thank you for this clarification. However, if we are to engage in a debate that consists of an exchange sound-bite e-mails, then my response is simply to urge you to re-consider your support for the CPI(M). You must surely recognize that the Trinamool is dialectically a rightward negation of the politics of CPI(M), born in the womb of Nandigram and Singur. Have we forgotten those massacres? Thus, the CPI(M) is itself the party responsible for the emergence of Trinamool in the first instance. By the way, what you refer to as the ultra-left is in point of fact a heterogenous political formation, contrary to the CPI(M) line. epoliticus YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Query regarding suspicious activity on my blog
On my way out sorry for the brevity, but it might be simply a bot. Send me an email with the IP and I'll give it a lookup for you. Politicus E. wrote: Dear comrades: I have a question that hopefully those comrades who are more internet savvy than I might answer. I recently posted a blog entry entitled Indian's Favourite Fascist, Again. That blog entry has been exceptionally popular in the sense that it has got almost 200 reads, by far the most I have got of any piece to date. But I noticed something peculiar about the pattern of hits. There is an IP address that hits the blog exactly every 30 mins, at the top of each hour, and at 30 mins. past the hour. I cannot determine the originating IP address, except that it is from within the U.S. perhaps. I also know that this has been going on for about 24 hours. This strikes me as rather strange and I have no hypothesis that can account for my observation. Does something have ideas about what might be the source, and why this is happening? Thanks. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] marxist biographies
Isaac Deutscher, Maurice Isserman On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: Cliff Conner is a Trotskyist who has specialized in writing biographies: 1. Jean Paul Marat: Scientist and Revolutionary 2. Colonel Despard: The Life And Times Of An Anglo-irish Rebel 3. Arthur O'Connor: The Most Important Irish Revolutionary You May Never Have Heard of YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Lars Lih on Lenin, Kautsky, and 1914
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/784/leninkautsky.php also recommended is his first article from last week: http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/783/index.php YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Worker in a Worker's State by Miklos Haraszti
Anyone read it? Thoughts? YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] American CP leader still solidly behind Obama
It's not like the Democrats have benefited much from their advocacy. They have some convoluted theory that justifies their support for this President, which has included the claim that Obama is perhaps the most pro-labor President in U.S. history, in some manifestos that Webb has penned. Jim Farmelant wrote: On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:33:41 -0400 Bill O'Connor bill...@gmail.com writes: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com writes: http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/8960/ I believe it was Cde. Smith who called the CPUSA the Democratic Pet Sematary. Revolutionaries to there to be be buried and re-animated as DNC phone bankers. My question is what does the CPUSA get back in return for its solid, decades-long support for the DP? Jim F. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel
Many Marxist thinkers don't deal with dialectics, namely Gramsci with his philosophy of Praxis and Althusser's writings on contradictions in *For Marx *. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel
I don't see how I could misrepresent since I didn't read, much less reply to your post. But since I befuddled you isn't /materialisme aleatoire/ a fundamental rejection of dialectical materialism? Wasn't a common theme of Althusser's works the attempt to rid Marxism of the idealism that crept in from Hegelian dialectics. http://radicalebooks.blogspot.com/2009/06/for-marx-by-louis-althusser.html Now that I read it (for the first time) I don't see what anyone could find objectionable. Calm down and reply to the right person before you post. I'm fairly certain that I haven't ever misrepresented you since I can't recall any an particular incident where I bothered to engage with what you thought. // Mark Lause wrote: No, you misrepresent what I said (again). The original statement was that Marx stands alone and that people shouldn't have to read Hegel to understand Marx. My argument is that people may well get a great deal out of reading Hegel...or Gramsci...or Althusser. Your have once more befuddled me with your assertion that Marxist writers don't deal with the dialectical method (particularly the very nature of praxis...) ML mail.com YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] What to do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_a_New_Workers'_Party where that project was at in 2004/2005 Mark Lause wrote: What is the embryo of a campaign? Is there a Bullshit Brain Trust somewhere making up these new terms? Because, if there is, I think I'd like to work there. I can come up with some really funny and meaningless words myself.. ML YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Good critique of Walter Benn Michaels's NLR article
This is probably a very valid point. There should no question that the immigrant rights movements and organizing among other marginalized groups should be a primary focus for Marxists right now. I despise when people dismiss the White working class as hopelessly reactionary, but there is no doubt in my mind that the embryo of a mass movement would have to start in more fertile territory. As far as provocation goes if part of his essay challenged leftists who have been seeing Obama, Hillary and Condi as mostly beneficiaries of the upheavals of the New Left and the post-political left, instead of neoliberalism ethos. I think this is fundamentally correct. I was unaware of his stance on diversity in universities. It sounds arcane and reactionary. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: Basically he is an intellectual provocateur like Stanley Fish, who enjoys stirring things up. I should mention that Living Marxism, the magazine put out by the Spiked Online people, had the *same* analysis as him and enjoyed the static it generated on the left. Why people should take characters like WBM and Frank Furedi seriously is beyond me since they don't take their own selves very seriously. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] What to do? [Early morn Labor Day thoughts]
I honestly don't think that our energies should be put toward electoral efforts by third parties. But there is no doubt that in the long-term a party of the working class is an absolutely necessity. Now I'm largely paraphrasing Larhs Lih and Mike Macnair, but such a party would need to be both a vanguard and a mass party. Kautsky (somewhat infamously) stated the need of the vanguard of the working class and intellectuals to bring the good news of socialism to workers, a mass party at the same time, because the party of the working class should be democratic, open and must clearly articulate its real platform (no modern Trotskyist hide-behind-a-front-group nonsense). The early SPD, which Lenin adapted to Russian circumstances (extreme state repression, illegality) modeled and the Bolsheviks around, pioneered rallies, petitions, all things we take for granted this adapted to the 21st century is an excellent model. In addition to simple trade unions, workers' clubs, community organizations, where all created on an openly working class, socialist basis. The Black Panther Party's efforts (free breakfasts, community centers, etc) is a more contemporary example of something similar to this. Basically it would take a mass workers' movement, combined with the merger of the socialist goal with a large chunk of that movement to build a principled *party of opposition* (one that does not aspire to ever manage the capitalist state or enter into coalition with capitalist forces). I don't think there is much hope in Green Party or Labor Party venture. This isn't even to mention that due to restrictive electoral laws the 3rd party venture is nearly impossible in the United States. For now building the embryo of a broad Marxist organization would be a good start. Maybe it's the naivety of youth, but I don't see why such an organization couldn't openly run candidates in Democratic primaries on an openly Marxist, oppositional platform for the sake of not a fantasy to transform or push the Democrats left, but to reach out to progressive forces that are unfortunately held up in the Democratic camp? (Whether we like it or not they are there.) *recommended:* http://radicalebooks.blogspot.com/2009/07/revolutionary-strategy-by-mike-mcnair.html http://theactivist.org/blog/the-current-relevance-of-an-old-debate http://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1909/power/index.htm I'm about to start up the BBQ, and I have no time to proof read this. (and I haven't put my contacts in yet.) Apologizes, Bhaskar On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Hunter Gray hunterbadb...@hunterbear.orgwrote: But, given the obvious dashing of hopes via the Obama administration and its spectacular downward spiral in conjunction with mounting crises on virtually every front, this general model, with a social justice constituency much, much broader than Labor alone, might now serve as a meaningful approach. If it can develop and maintain some genuinely visionary radical positions and, somehow, overcome the oft lack of inter-union solidarity, endemic Leftist bickering, the problem of some liberal timidity, ego trips -- and other obstacles including co-opting efforts by the Democratic establishment, it just might emerge as a potent, highly constructive force. 'Way down the pike, who knows what could develop from it in a realistic third-party sense? YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] What to do? [Early morn Labor Day thoughts]
The same could be said of the Greens, except that primary campaign would be irrelevant. But what is the Democratic Party? Certainly it's largely neoliberal, bourgeois to say the least-- perhaps the world's second most enthusiastic major capitalist party. But is there not open primaries? Can a party without dues and with open primaries even be called a party? Such an electoral campaign would be important logical step at some point. An open, democratic, Marxist organization is obviously the more important and immediate task. Not that creating a viable party of opposition is *likely* to work, but I don't see how it's *possible* through the tactics that have been dominate on the American left. Louis Proyect: Anybody who runs as a Democrat is unlikely to have openly Marxist views. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Boston Globe on radical films
DOG DAY AFTERNOON (1975) 1 Fist Not a radical movie? That’s the point. When Al Pacino’s bank robber gets the crowds on his side by shouting “Attica! Attica!’’ he’s proving both how everything was political by the mid-1970s and how genuine radicalism had become co-opted by radical chic. In its backhanded way, that one scene marks the death of the ’60s. --- The writer of this article might've metioned that the Attica chant actually happened in real life during this episode. It wasn't something invented by some dried-up psuedo radical screenwriter. Reds is one of my favorite films. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] U.S. Suspends $30 Million To Honduras
Actually I'm sorry I linked to yesterday's article. Here is today's news http://www.cepr.net/index.php/press-releases/press-releases/imf-may-withold-aid-honduras/ On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara bhaskar.sunk...@gmail.comwrote: Reports right now make it seem likely that the IMF is going to withhold those funds in the wake of Clinton's announcement. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/03/imf-honduras-aid-zelaya On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Intense Red intns...@golgotha.net wrote: And on the third hand, Democracy Now! reports this morning that the IMF is giving Honduras $150 million, which more than makes up for the loss of the $30 million from the US. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] nostalgia for a gentler politics
My article contains references to hookers, an ad hominem against a Baltimore Sun writer and various other degrees of awesomeness that made it unsuitable for publication anywhere else. http://theactivist.org/blog/nostalgia-for-a-gentler-politics ~ Bhaskar YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sour -- but grounded -- thoughts on the Kennedys
ML wrote: That complete idiot, Chris Matthews was saying the other day that the Kennedy brothers made the civil rights movement. Of course, lots of these elitist pundits, idolators of officeholders, etc. think that, but only a prize-winning first class goof to say something so absolutely stupid and ahistorical on the air. --- Yes thank you, that bothered me to NO end. If you caught the start of Hardball he also called Machiavelli the greatest English writer of all time. I kid you not. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] to read?
Because the bourgeosie has granted the masses Google. http://www.google.com/search?client=operarls=enq=David+Harvey+capitalsourceid=operaie=utf-8oe=utf-8 http://davidharvey.org/ On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Jeffrey Thomas Piercy mqd...@mqduck.netwrote: Ralph Johansen wrote: David Harvey, who conducts a most helpful 13-class video course online on Capital volume 1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Words (Cuban economy)
When has autarkic state capitalism ever been a formula to *solve*underdevelopment? On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, sobuadha...@hushmail.com wrote: Tom Cod wrote: Hey, how much heavy industry is there in Cuba. Don't they still rely on their traditional natural resource: sugar? The answer is yes, to Cuba's detriment. Cuba's top exports are: Sugar and honey 53% Nickel 23% Fish 6.8% Tobacco 5.6% and they import oil, food, machinery, chemicals. Fidel once remarked that although Cuba faced a severe challenge with the fall of the Soviet bloc, at least they didn't have to buy all the crap Bulgarian machinery they were obligated to formerly. I am not sure where they buy their machine tools and trucks from now but these figures would seem to indicate the classic formula for third world economic under development. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Words (Cuban economy)
If Cuba pursued an industrial development plan it would have ended up looking more like Albania than Japan. Socialism in one country is impossible, I don't see anything wrong with Cuba's general economic policy. (and actually I'm a fan of the term bureaucratic collectivist) On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:09 PM, nada dwalters...@gmail.com wrote: Industrialization to some degree is important or you remain poor, a few steps away from barbarism. If you combine a socialist mode of production with a world wide divisions of labor, the *need* to Industrialize on One Island goes away. Ideally... ideally this is what COMECON was supposed to represent...a non-capitalist zone of development with a international, yet equal division of labor. This is still a kind of model to follow. If something is wrong with it, do speak up. For that matter, if there is a different model for socialism, that avoids the huge social and environmental dislocations caused by industrialization, please speak up on this too, please. Sterile denunciations of the development of the productive forces is hardly...productive, especially on a *Marxist* list. DW YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] District 9
The Bourne Supremacy drove me insane with it, but it didn't too bother me during District 9. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: gregoryabut...@aol.com wrote: Apparently, I saw a different District 9 than Prarie Miller and Armond White did! After seeing Simon Abrams's reference (http://extendedcut.blogspot.com/2009/08/255-district-9-2009.html)to the faux-doc style shaky cam in this film, I decided to pass on it. Furthermore, the directors responsible for foisting this horrible technique on the world should all be taken out and horsewhipped. It is the most annoying thing in movies next to product placements. It seems to be much more egregious in action movies but who knows. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] District 9
As an allegory to apartheid the film for me was a complete failure.But compared to other mainstream films, it was a rather entertaining sci-fi movie. Les-- that was an unusual point to walk out on a film. I didn't see the overt Nazi comparison, but even if I did I still don't quite understand why you found that to be especially objectionable given its context--- it was an act of violence by the films military-private-contractors antagonists. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] HItchens and Robert Service on Trotsky
Hitchens (before he became a jackass) once wrote a marvelous article on Trotsky.. I'll have to find the link. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] video of open class warfare in S.Korea
No commentary, not much sound either. Thanks for the link. (I don't have any audio on the library computer I'm using, so excuse my ignorance as to the value of the commentary contained in the above link.) The very best, Max Clark YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Red Army and rape
And I suppose if hundreds of thousands of Afghan women were to be raped by US soldiers you would mention 9/11? German civilians who were victimized should be acknowledged as victims, that was probably the reason why Louis posted those excerpts. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] After 60 yrs of Independence, untouchability alive and kicking in India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/After-60-yrs-of-Independence-untouchability-alive-and-kicking-in-India/articleshow/4850136.cms YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Venezuela: Class struggle heats up o ver battle for workers’ control
While we are on the topic I would like to highly recommend this article: http://thecommune.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/the-revolution-delayed-10-years-of-hugo-chavezs-rule/ It's by some anarchist comrades, but that doesn't mean their points can be lightly dismissed (they're Venezuelan). ~ Bhaskar YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
