Re: [Marxism] blog post: The Obtuseness of the Left Establishment

2010-12-16 Thread Mark Lause
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I don't see that this follows.

I saw Michael Moore's name get a thousand people to a rally on about an
hour's notice.

On the other hand, Mark Lause has much better politics, but his name is only
big enough to get maybe five people...if you count dogs and cats...and if
free cookies are offered...

Rattling the left-liberal tree to see if we can shake loose some of these
people is never amiss...just so long as we don't let anything important ride
on it

ML

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Re: [Marxism] blog post: The Obtuseness of the Left Establishment

2010-12-16 Thread Mark Lause
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I think we're actually agreed on this.  I don't think the people who put
this together suggested it as a strategy of any sort.  It seems to me to
have been proposed as much the same sort of thing as trying to get people to
endorse a mass action on any level.

There's never any harm in trying to open channels that have been hitherto
closed.

There might be a slight difference in terms of the logic of how we see a
mass radicalization resuming in the U.S. at this point.  My sense is that
the previously radicalized folks (those of us here discussing the subject)
will have our greatest influence on the quality of the radicalization when
it emerges, but won't be manufacturing many radicals through our speeches,
writings, campaigns, etcor initially providing much of a pole of
attraction for the radicalizing.  I think that we're just not that numerous
or visible to the wider world.

Rather, people initially go into motion behind all sorts of progressive
leaders and organizations.  My thinking is that the more independent they
are or seem to be--the further left the seeds take root--the better things
will turn out.

ML

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