Re: PV curve using CPF
Lambda interpolates between the [P_base, Q_base] and [P_target, Q_target] vectors of your choice, so therefore the relationship between the lambda stepsize and the actual power increase on the buses depends on that. -- Jose L. Marin Gridquant España SL Grupo AIA On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:16 PM, nilesh patel nk2...@rediffmail.com wrote: Sir, If i want to increase load in continuation power flow by step of 1 MW, What should be the step size of Lamda. My system base case load is 5000 MW. As CPF accuracy depends on step-size. Thanks. From: Jose Luis Marin mari...@gridquant.com Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:53:11 To: MATPOWER discussion forum matpowe...@list.cornell.edu Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF Shruti is right, the value you obtain for lambda is valid for all the network, since voltage collapse is a global phenomenon (in other words, you';ll see a nose point at the same value of lambda regardless of which bus you choose to plot). Remember that lambda represents a fraction along the vector of injections linearly iterpolating [P_base, Q_base] to [P_target, Q_target]. The value of Lambda at the nose point is NOT the maximum loading point for that bus; rather, it is the maximum loading value along the path to the particular load/gen profile chosen as a target. Of course, one may wonder about this other problem: for a given profile [P_base, Q_base], what is the target direction [P_target, Q_target] for which one would obtain the shortest value of critical lambda? If this is what you';re thinking about, then it is in general a hard problem. I suggest these references by Ian Dobson, on the concept of shortest distance to voltage collapse: - http://www.ece.wisc.edu/~dobson/PAPERS/publications.html#loading http://www.ece.wisc.edu/~dobson/PAPERS/publications.htmlloading -- Jose L. Marin Gridquant España SL Grupo AIA On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:23 AM, nilesh patel nk2...@rediffmail.com wrote: Sir, When we run continuation power flow for particular system, we get p-v curve for selected bus. using this p-v curve, we can find Voltage stability Margin (in MW) on that bus by difference of operating point to nose point lamda. I agree lambda at nose point provides maximum loading value but that is for that bus only for which p-v curve is plotted. My question is How to find Voltage Stability Margin for whole Network using P-V curve ? I mean how to find maximum lamda for whole network using p-v curve? Thanks. From: Abhyankar, Shrirang G. abhy...@anl.gov Sent: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:31:31 To: MATPOWER discussion forum matpowe...@list.cornell.edu Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF I donⴠquite understand your question, can you please elaborate. The maximum value of loading scaling parameter ᬡmbda⠧ives a measure of how much power can be transferred for a given transfer direction. So, lambda is also a measure of the nose point for the whole network. Shri From: nilesh patel nk2...@rediffmail.com Reply-To: MATPOWER discussion forum matpowe...@list.cornell.edu Date: Friday, August 7, 2015 at 8:46 AM To: matpower-l matpowe...@list.cornell.edu, MATPOWER-L MATPOWER-L@cornell.edu Subject: PV curve using CPF Dear Sir, P-V curve solution using continuation power flow gives nose point (maximum loading point) for individual bus. My question is - How to get nose point for whole network (all buses) using PV curve ? I want to find network voltage stability margin rather than individual bus margin using CPF. Thanks. Nilesh Patel Get your own *FREE* website, *FREE* domain *FREE* mobile app with Company email. //www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=https%3A%2F%2Fsigads%2Erediff%2Ecom%2FRealMedia%2Fads%2Fclick%5Fnx%2Eads%2Fwww%2Erediffmail%2Ecom%2Fsignatureline%2Ehtm%40Middle%3FisImage=0BlockImage=0rediffng=0rogue=86405da3ed8eb9005549e1536a8c08bb6cef0c3e *Know More * Get your own *FREE* website, *FREE* domain *FREE* mobile app with Company email. *Know More * http://track.rediff.com/click?url=___http://businessemail.rediff.com?sc_cid=sign-1-10-13___cmp=hostlnk=sign-1-10-13nsrv1=host https://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline.htm@Middle? https://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline.htm@Middle? Get your own *FREE* website, *FREE* domain *FREE* mobile app with Company email. *Know More * http://track.rediff.com/click?url=___http://businessemail.rediff.com?sc_cid=sign-1-10-13___cmp=hostlnk=sign-1-10-13nsrv1=host
Re: ieee bus-reg
I will mail you today da. but i hav for IEEE 30 bus system only. *Nivedita.* On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:41 PM, keerthanaa.11 Nallasamy keerthanaa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, how to create a case format for ieee 37 node test feeder ? or otherwise if u having it already kindly send it to my mail id. -- Keerthanaa.VN
Re: PV curve using CPF
It mean my system base case_P is 100 MW and reaches to 200 MW at nose point in 10 steps in cpf. so step size in this case is 10 MW. Is it correct? Thanks. From: Jose Luis Marin lt;mari...@gridquant.comgt; Sent: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:05:07 To: MATPOWER discussion forum lt;matpowe...@list.cornell.edugt; Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF Lambda interpolates between the [P_base, Q_base]nbsp; andnbsp; [P_target, Q_target] vectors of your choice, so therefore the relationship between the lambda stepsize and the actual power increase on the buses depends on that. -- Jose L. Marin Gridquant España SL Grupo AIA On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:16 PM, nilesh patel lt;nk2...@rediffmail.comgt; wrote: Sir,If i want to increase load in continuation power flow by step of 1 MW, What should be the step size of Lamda. My system base case load is 5000 MW. As CPF accuracy depends on step-size. Thanks. From: Jose Luis Marin lt;mari...@gridquant.comgt; Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:53:11 To: MATPOWER discussion forum lt;matpowe...@list.cornell.edugt; Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF Shruti is right, the value you obtain for lambda is valid for all the network, since voltage collapse is a global phenomenon (in other words, you';;ll see a nose point at the same value of lambda regardless of which bus you choose to plot).nbsp; Remember that lambda represents a fraction along the vector of injections linearly iterpolating [P_base, Q_base]nbsp; tonbsp; [P_target, Q_target].nbsp; The value of Lambda at the nose point is NOT the maximum loading point for that bus; rather, it is the maximum loading value along the path to the particular load/gen profile chosen as a target. Of course, one may wonder about this other problem: for a given profile [P_base, Q_base], what is the target direction [P_target, Q_target] for which one would obtain the shortest value of critical lambda?nbsp; If this is what you';;re thinking about, then it is in general a hard problem.nbsp; I suggest these references by Ian Dobson, on the concept of shortest distance to voltage collapse: http://www.ece.wisc.edu/~dobson/PAPERS/publications.html#loading -- Jose L. Marin Gridquant España SL Grupo AIA On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:23 AM, nilesh patel lt;nk2...@rediffmail.comgt; wrote: Sir,When we run continuation power flow for particular system, we get p-v curve for selected bus. using this p-v curve, we can find Voltage stability Margin (in MW) on that bus by difference of operating point to nose point lamda.nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; I agree lambda at nose point provides maximum loading value but that is for that bus only for which p-v curve is plotted.nbsp; My question is How to find Voltage Stability Margin for whole Network using P-V curve ? I mean how to find maximum lamda for whole network using nbsp;p-v curve? Thanks. From: Abhyankar, Shrirang G. lt;abhy...@anl.govgt; Sent: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:31:31 To: MATPOWER discussion forum lt;matpowe...@list.cornell.edugt; Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF I donⴠquite understand your question, can you please elaborate. The maximum value of loading scaling parameter ᬡmbda⠧ives a measure of how much power can be transferred for a given transfer direction. So, lambda is also a measure of the nose point for the whole network.nbsp; Shri From: nilesh patel lt;nk2...@rediffmail.comgt; Reply-To: MATPOWER discussion forum lt;matpowe...@list.cornell.edugt; Date: Friday, August 7, 2015 at 8:46 AM To: matpower-l lt;matpowe...@list.cornell.edugt;, MATPOWER-L lt;MATPOWER-L@cornell.edugt; Subject: PV curve using CPF Dear Sir, P-V curve solution using continuation power flow gives nose point (maximum loading point) for individual bus. My question is - How to get nose point for whole network (all buses) using PV curve ?nbsp; I want to find network voltage stability margin rather than individual bus margin using CPF. Thanks. Nilesh Patel Get your own FREE website, FREE domain amp; FREE mobile app with Company email. nbsp;Know More gt;
Re: PV curve using CPF
MATPOWER’s CPF, by default, uses a pseudo arclength parameterization that takes a step in the tangent space of the PV curve. As such, the ‘MW' increments depend on the steps taken along the tangent, and in turn on the slope of the curve. If you want a fixed ‘MW’ increase then you need to use natural parameterization instead. (mpoption(‘cpf.parameterization’,’NATURAL’). Natural parameterization directly uses the scaling parameter lambda and such has direct connection with MW increments. However, note that natural parameterization suffers from divergence near the fold point! I would not use natural parameterization unless there is a really strong need. Note that the step size for CPF, for natural parameterization, is given in terms of increments of the scaling parameter lambda, where lambda = 0 represents the base case and lambda = 1 is the target case. Going from 100 MW base case (lambda = 0) to 200 MW target case (lambda = 1) in 10 continuation steps would need a stepsize of 0.1. (mpoption(‘cpf.step’, 0.1). Shri From: nilesh patel nk2...@rediffmail.commailto:nk2...@rediffmail.com Reply-To: MATPOWER discussion forum matpowe...@list.cornell.edumailto:matpowe...@list.cornell.edu Date: Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 5:45 AM To: matpowe...@list.cornell.edumailto:matpowe...@list.cornell.edu matpowe...@list.cornell.edumailto:matpowe...@list.cornell.edu Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF It mean my system base case_P is 100 MW and reaches to 200 MW at nose point in 10 steps in cpf. so step size in this case is 10 MW. Is it correct? Thanks. From: Jose Luis Marin mari...@gridquant.commailto:mari...@gridquant.com Sent: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:05:07 To: MATPOWER discussion forum matpowe...@list.cornell.edumailto:matpowe...@list.cornell.edu Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF Lambda interpolates between the [P_base, Q_base] and [P_target, Q_target] vectors of your choice, so therefore the relationship between the lambda stepsize and the actual power increase on the buses depends on that. -- Jose L. Marin Gridquant España SL Grupo AIA On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:16 PM, nilesh patel nk2...@rediffmail.commailto:nk2...@rediffmail.com wrote: Sir, If i want to increase load in continuation power flow by step of 1 MW, What should be the step size of Lamda. My system base case load is 5000 MW. As CPF accuracy depends on step-size. Thanks. From: Jose Luis Marin mari...@gridquant.commailto:mari...@gridquant.com Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:53:11 To: MATPOWER discussion forum matpowe...@list.cornell.edumailto:matpowe...@list.cornell.edu Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF Shruti is right, the value you obtain for lambda is valid for all the network, since voltage collapse is a global phenomenon (in other words, you';;ll see a nose point at the same value of lambda regardless of which bus you choose to plot). Remember that lambda represents a fraction along the vector of injections linearly iterpolating [P_base, Q_base] to [P_target, Q_target]. The value of Lambda at the nose point is NOT the maximum loading point for that bus; rather, it is the maximum loading value along the path to the particular load/gen profile chosen as a target. Of course, one may wonder about this other problem: for a given profile [P_base, Q_base], what is the target direction [P_target, Q_target] for which one would obtain the shortest value of critical lambda? If this is what you';;re thinking about, then it is in general a hard problem. I suggest these references by Ian Dobson, on the concept of shortest distance to voltage collapse: * http://www.ece.wisc.edu/~dobson/PAPERS/publications.html#loadinghttp://www.ece.wisc.edu/~dobson/PAPERS/publications.htmlloading -- Jose L. Marin Gridquant España SL Grupo AIA On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:23 AM, nilesh patel nk2...@rediffmail.commailto:nk2...@rediffmail.com wrote: Sir, When we run continuation power flow for particular system, we get p-v curve for selected bus. using this p-v curve, we can find Voltage stability Margin (in MW) on that bus by difference of operating point to nose point lamda. I agree lambda at nose point provides maximum loading value but that is for that bus only for which p-v curve is plotted. My question is How to find Voltage Stability Margin for whole Network using P-V curve ? I mean how to find maximum lamda for whole network using p-v curve? Thanks. From: Abhyankar, Shrirang G. abhy...@anl.govmailto:abhy...@anl.gov Sent: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:31:31 To: MATPOWER discussion forum matpowe...@list.cornell.edumailto:matpowe...@list.cornell.edu Subject: Re: PV curve using CPF I donⴠquite understand your question, can you please elaborate. The maximum value of loading scaling parameter ᬡmbda⠧ives a measure of how much power can be transferred for a given transfer direction. So, lambda is also a measure of the nose point for the whole network. Shri From: nilesh patel nk2...@rediffmail.commailto:nk2...@rediffmail.com
