[MCN-L] IP SIG: Art Bulletin use of In the Public Domain in its captions
But is it crediting? Or is it a political statement? How does one credit
a legal status? After all, under copyright law, there is no need to declare
something public domain. Nothing in a lack of declaration or credit
reduces or harms a work's public domain status. It would be interesting to
see the Art Bulletin's captioning policy now stated near the beginning of
each Art Bulletin
issue.
At first glance, it seems a bit over the top. On the other hand, maybe we
need a bit of over-the-top these days to counterbalance over-the-top
copyright claims, the chilling effect, and shrinking fair use protections.
Amalyah Keshet
Head of Image Resources Copyright Management
The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
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in its captions
Crediting the public domain (see below) -- what a
great and bold idea. Kudos to the College Art
Association. Now will museums follow suit?
Diane
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Eileen--
This is a conscious effort on the part of CAA,
spearheaded by Eve Sinaiko, Director of
Publications. Their captioning policy is now
stated near the beginning of each Art Bulletin
issue. I don't think that this has yet become
common practice for scholarly publications at
large, so CAA is attempting to set a good
example.
Ben Kessler
Fry, P. Eileen fryp at INDIANA.EDU wrote:
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Colleagues,
I may have missed discussion of this, but is it
now common practice for scholarly journals to
credit illustrations with captions that say In
the Public Domain for the work, and then
copyright for the photographer? Art Bulletin
seems to be doing this, but I'm not sure how
widespread it is.
Eileen Fry
Indiana University
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[MCN-L] IP SIG: Art Bulletin use of In the Public Domain in its captions
Amalyah,
Okay, crediting was probably the wrong word to use. My point is
that noting Public Domain in the caption makes it clear to all that
the original work is in the public domain (and thus freely available
for copying), although the particular image of that public domain
work, is, of course copyrighted by the photographer.
Too many reproductions have captions that imply that the
museum/photographer/gallery owns copyright to the work itself. Why
not note public domain in the caption, to clarify things? I don't
see it as a political statement at all.
You're right in stating that there is no legal requirement to declare
something public domain. Under US law, there is also no legal
requirement to declare something as copyrighted - yet what museum or
photographer would approve a caption that did not include their
copyright notice? They justifiably want to let people know their
rights. Why not let the public also know what they have a right to?
I see a public domain statement as a move towards greater clarity and
less subterfuge in our increasingly intellectual property-centric
world. Clarifying who owns (or does not own) rights is a responsible
thing to do. I have noticed an increasing trend among museums to use
copyright statements that now qualify where the copyright lies, for
example, Greek amphora, 25 A.D., Image copyright 2006 The XYZ
Museum (italics mine). I think this is also a positive effort
towards greater clarity.
Diane
Copyright story of the day: The New York Times article Is a Scent
Like a Song?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/fashion/thursdaystyles/13skin.html?_r=1oref=slogin
about French parfumiers seeking copyright status for the scents
they create from their super-scentsitive noses.
But is it crediting? Or is it a political statement? How does one credit
a legal status? After all, under copyright law, there is no need to declare
something public domain. Nothing in a lack of declaration or credit
reduces or harms a work's public domain status. It would be interesting to
see the Art Bulletin's captioning policy now stated near the beginning of
each Art Bulletin
issue.
At first glance, it seems a bit over the top. On the other hand, maybe we
need a bit of over-the-top these days to counterbalance over-the-top
copyright claims, the chilling effect, and shrinking fair use protections.
Amalyah Keshet
Head of Image Resources Copyright Management
The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
- Original Message -
From: Diane M. Zorich dzorich at mindspring.com
To: mcn-l at toronto.mediatrope.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG: Fwd: Re: Art Bulletin use of In the Public Domain
in its captions
Crediting the public domain (see below) -- what a
great and bold idea. Kudos to the College Art
Association. Now will museums follow suit?
Diane
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:34:13 -0700
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Eileen--
This is a conscious effort on the part of CAA,
spearheaded by Eve Sinaiko, Director of
Publications. Their captioning policy is now
stated near the beginning of each Art Bulletin
issue. I don't think that this has yet become
common practice for scholarly publications at
large, so CAA is attempting to set a good
example.
Ben Kessler
Fry, P. Eileen fryp at INDIANA.EDU wrote:
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
Colleagues,
I may have missed discussion of this, but is it
now common practice for scholarly journals to
credit illustrations with captions that say In
the Public Domain for the work, and then
copyright for the photographer? Art Bulletin
seems to be doing this, but I'm not sure how
widespread it is.
Eileen Fry
Indiana University
--
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113 Gallup Road
Princeton, NJ 08542 USA
Voice: 609-252-1606
Fax: 609-252-1607
Email: dzorich at mindspring.com
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[MCN-L] IP SIG: Art Bulletin use of In the Public Domain in its captions
I second Diane's point that this kind of statement is clarifying
rather that political.
There are so many examples of copyright over-reaching, blanket
copyrights or confusion about what exactly is claimed under the
copyright notice that this is a decidedly welcome move, I think, in
the direction of clarity.
Have people seen Susan Bielstein's Permissions - A Survival Guide,
in which for the illustrations not only full copyright status of work
and image are given, but details of the fee paid - how much, to whom,
for what.
David
On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Diane M. Zorich wrote:
Amalyah,
Okay, crediting was probably the wrong word to use. My point is
that noting Public Domain in the caption makes it clear to all that
the original work is in the public domain (and thus freely available
for copying), although the particular image of that public domain
work, is, of course copyrighted by the photographer.
Too many reproductions have captions that imply that the
museum/photographer/gallery owns copyright to the work itself. Why
not note public domain in the caption, to clarify things? I don't
see it as a political statement at all.
You're right in stating that there is no legal requirement to declare
something public domain. Under US law, there is also no legal
requirement to declare something as copyrighted - yet what museum or
photographer would approve a caption that did not include their
copyright notice? They justifiably want to let people know their
rights. Why not let the public also know what they have a right to?
I see a public domain statement as a move towards greater clarity and
less subterfuge in our increasingly intellectual property-centric
world. Clarifying who owns (or does not own) rights is a responsible
thing to do. I have noticed an increasing trend among museums to use
copyright statements that now qualify where the copyright lies, for
example, Greek amphora, 25 A.D., Image copyright 2006 The XYZ
Museum (italics mine). I think this is also a positive effort
towards greater clarity.
Diane
Copyright story of the day: The New York Times article Is a Scent
Like a Song?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/fashion/thursdaystyles/
13skin.html?_r=1oref=slogin
about French parfumiers seeking copyright status for the scents
they create from their super-scentsitive noses.
But is it crediting? Or is it a political statement? How does
one credit
a legal status? After all, under copyright law, there is no need
to declare
something public domain. Nothing in a lack of declaration or
credit
reduces or harms a work's public domain status. It would be
interesting to
see the Art Bulletin's captioning policy now stated near the
beginning of
each Art Bulletin
issue.
At first glance, it seems a bit over the top. On the other hand,
maybe we
need a bit of over-the-top these days to counterbalance over-the-top
copyright claims, the chilling effect, and shrinking fair use
protections.
Amalyah Keshet
Head of Image Resources Copyright Management
The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
- Original Message -
From: Diane M. Zorich dzorich at mindspring.com
To: mcn-l at toronto.mediatrope.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG: Fwd: Re: Art Bulletin use of In the
Public Domain
in its captions
Crediting the public domain (see below) -- what a
great and bold idea. Kudos to the College Art
Association. Now will museums follow suit?
Diane
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:34:13 -0700
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This is a conscious effort on the part of CAA,
spearheaded by Eve Sinaiko, Director of
Publications. Their captioning policy is now
stated near the beginning of each Art Bulletin
issue. I don't think that this has yet become
common practice for scholarly publications at
large, so CAA is attempting to set a good
example.
Ben Kessler
Fry, P. Eileen fryp at INDIANA.EDU wrote:
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
Colleagues,
I may have missed discussion of this, but is it
now common practice for scholarly journals to
credit illustrations with captions that say In
the
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