Re: [MCN-L] Photography Question Follow-Up

[Jeffrey Evans]

Good luck Sarah.  If there were any responses that were overly informative, 
maybe with studio  set up pics, could you share?  It would help.  

Jeff Evans
609.865.2562
Photographer, Manager of Visual Resources 
Princeton University Art Museum
http://artmuseum.princeton.edu


> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Sarah Gillis  wrote:
> 
> Dear Group,
> 
> When I had put out the query regarding photographing Greek vases, I was not 
> prepared for the overwhelming responses I received.  I'm glad I'm not alone 
> in facing these object struggles.  Our staff photography and I would like to 
> thank everyone for their contribution and suggestions in how to best approach 
> these objects.
> 
> There is a true sense of community in this group and we are so grateful!
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Sarah L. Gillis | Assistant Registrar, Image Management
> 
> WORCESTER ART MUSEUM / www.worcesterart.org
> fifty-five salisbury street / worcester, massachusetts 01609
> direct 508.793.4427 / general 508.799.4406
> 
> 
> HASSAN HAJJAJ:  MY 
> ROCK STARS
> November 7, 2015 - March 6, 2016
> *
> Our image reproduction application is now available online!
> Image Reproduction 
> Request
> 
> Want to own your own custom reproduction of a Worcester Art Museum 
> masterpiece? Visit our partner Rudinec & Assoc. today!
> RequestAPrint
> Introducing: Zazzle! Our online museum shop where you can purchase custom 
> merchandise containing images from our permanent collection!  Check it out 
> today!
> Worcester Art Museum - Zazzle Shop
> 
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Re: [MCN-L] Photography Question

[Jeffrey Evans]

hi Sarah, many solutions for this of course.  What sort of photography is this 
(meaning quality)?  Publication, or just better study/record images?  

Jeff

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Princeton University Art Museum
609-865-2562
jfev...@princeton.edu

> On Feb 2, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Sarah Gillis  wrote:
> 
> This query is for all of the photographers on the list-serv!
> 
> We are in the process of capturing new photography of some Greek vases which 
> recently underwent conservation treatment.  No matter how much we try and 
> filter it out, the reflection is very evident on these objects.  I wondered 
> if anyone has experience with this type of material in photography and had 
> any advice to capture a smooth surface, without the reflecting distractions?
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Sarah L. Gillis | Assistant Registrar, Image Management
> 
> WORCESTER ART MUSEUM / www.worcesterart.org
> fifty-five salisbury street / worcester, massachusetts 01609
> direct 508.793.4427 / general 508.799.4406
> 
> HASSAN HAJJAJ:  MY 
> ROCK STARS
> November 7, 2015 - March 6, 2016
> *
> Our image reproduction application is now available online!
> Image Reproduction 
> Request
> 
> Want to own your own custom reproduction of a Worcester Art Museum 
> masterpiece? Visit our partner Rudinec & Assoc. today!
> RequestAPrint
> Introducing: Zazzle! Our online museum shop where you can purchase custom 
> merchandise containing images from our permanent collection!  Check it out 
> today!
> Worcester Art Museum - Zazzle Shop
> 
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Re: [MCN-L] Photography Question

[Jeffrey Evans]

Yeesh, it can be tough, your tackling one of tougher problems.  I think you'll 
get some good responses from MCN folks, and maybe someone nearby can pay a 
visit.   For publication quality, I really think you'll need some experienced 
professional help to, at the very least, consult with you on lighting and color 
management.  

Also, reflections can be creatively controlled with a combination of Photoshop 
use and basic lighting techniques.  Do you have a good Photoshop tech there?  


Jeff


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Princeton University Art Museum
609-865-2562
jfev...@princeton.edu

> On Feb 2, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Sarah Gillis <sarahgil...@worcesterart.org> wrote:
> 
> Publication quality.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Tablet
> 
> 
> ---- Original message 
> From: Jeffrey Evans <jfev...@princeton.edu>
> Date: 2/2/2016 8:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l@mcn.edu>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Photography Question
> 
> hi Sarah, many solutions for this of course.  What sort of photography is 
> this (meaning quality)?  Publication, or just better study/record images?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Jeff Evans
> Photographer, Manager of Visual Resources
> Princeton University Art Museum
> 609-865-2562
> jfev...@princeton.edu
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Sarah Gillis <sarahgil...@worcesterart.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This query is for all of the photographers on the list-serv!
>> 
>> We are in the process of capturing new photography of some Greek vases which 
>> recently underwent conservation treatment.  No matter how much we try and 
>> filter it out, the reflection is very evident on these objects.  I wondered 
>> if anyone has experience with this type of material in photography and had 
>> any advice to capture a smooth surface, without the reflecting distractions?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Sarah L. Gillis | Assistant Registrar, Image Management
>> 
>> WORCESTER ART MUSEUM / 
>> www.worcesterart.org<http://www.worcesterart.org/<http://www.worcesterart.org<http://www.worcesterart.org/>>
>> fifty-five salisbury street / worcester, massachusetts 01609
>> direct 508.793.4427 / general 508.799.4406
>> 
>> HASSAN HAJJAJ: <http://www.worcesterart.org/exhibitions/hassan-hajjaj/> MY 
>> ROCK STARS<http://www.worcesterart.org/exhibitions/hassan-hajjaj/>
>> November 7, 2015 - March 6, 2016
>> *
>> Our image reproduction application is now available online!
>> Image Reproduction 
>> Request<http://www.worcesterart.org/Collection/collection_information.html>
>> 
>> Want to own your own custom reproduction of a Worcester Art Museum 
>> masterpiece? Visit our partner Rudinec & Assoc. today!
>> RequestAPrint<http://www.requestaprint.net/worcester/index.php>
>> Introducing: Zazzle! Our online museum shop where you can purchase custom 
>> merchandise containing images from our permanent collection!  Check it out 
>> today!
>> Worcester Art Museum - Zazzle Shop<http://www.zazzle.com/worcesterartmuseum>
>> 
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Re: [MCN-L] MCN ITSig: TMS for Mac users - Windows VM or Terminal server?

[Jeffrey Evans]

At Princeton we remote in with Microsoft remote aps.  Works well enough for our 
Mac users who tend to be lighter users of TMS.  

Jeff Evans
609.865.2562
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Princeton University Art Museum
http://artmuseum.princeton.edu


> On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Alex Garcia  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m curious to know what your recommendation is for Mac users who need to 
> work in TMS.  Is it preferable to use a Windows VM or to setup Terminal 
> server and have the Mac users use that instead?  If you could explain why you 
> recommend what you do that would be really helpful.
> 
> Thank you,
> --
> Alex Garcia
> System Administrator
> Kimbell Art Museum
>  Camp Bowie Blvd
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Re: [MCN-L] fees for image use

[Jeffrey Evans]

If it's an image we already had at the ready, then no additional charges are 
applied.  If we need to reshoot to meet the specific needs of the client, we 
charge new photography fees. We arrived at our fee amount by considering art 
handler time and adding in 1% of our camera purchase cost.  Which we try to 
recoup in some way.  So in-house photography charge was $150-500 depending.  

Jeffrey Evans
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Mgr. of Visual Resources
Princeton Univ. Art Museum
(609) 865-2562

 On Mar 10, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Matt Wheeler mwhee...@pmm-maine.org wrote:
 
 Hello colleagues--
 
 We've had a request from a local merchant to use images from our historic
 photo collections as permanent interior decoration. The images will be very
 prominent, printed at around 40x60. We're uncertain what to charge them.
 Has anyone licensed images in this way, and how did you assign a value to
 them? Thanks for any insight.
 
 
 __
 
 Matt Wheeler,
 Photography Archives,
 Penobscot Marine Museum
 Archives (207) 548-2529 ext. 211
 5 Church Street, PO Box 498
 Searsport, Maine 04974
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[MCN-L] Server Recovery Help!

[Jeffrey Evans]

This is from the old days of server maintenance.  And I do mean old, like 2002: 

First, don't trust the raid device, the drives may still be good. 

If you had an existing spare drive, 
one that was never installed, you could remove all the drives (LABELING THE BAD 
ONE), put only that new one in and boot up.  That can trick the raid drivers 
into working again.  But it might not work with just one drive.  If it does, 
cool! Initialize the drive and pull it out.  Reinstall the others, boot up and 
see and see what you have.  

If still bad, then install the extra for the bad one and see what you have.  

Lastly you could buy a shell, install each drive and copy off the data.  You'd 
at least get something...  Try cnet.com for some easy data recovery tools. 

Good luck, go to Del Mar...

Jeffrey Evans
Photographer
Mgr. of Visual Resources
Princeton Univ. Art Museum
(609) 865-2562

 On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Cairie Riney cairie.bird at gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 Our photo server crashed! Sadly, we didn't have a backup for the last two
 months of work. We have learned our lesson.
 
 Our tech company wants to charge us more than we can afford. We are a very
 small non-profit and will just have to walk away from that data if we can't
 find an alternative. We are looking for other companies or options to
 retrieve our data. We had photographs and metadata that cannot be reentered
 because some of the original albums were disposed of after digitization.
 
 Here's the lowdown on the server:
 
 We had one bad drive in a Buffalo RAID 5 server. We replaced the drive in
 drive bay 2 and waited for the device to rebuild the RAID onto the new
 drive.  In a RAID 5 configuration the data can be recovered unless you lose
 more than 1 drive.  After a few days of trying to rebuild, the device
 errored and said that the drive in bay 4 was also bad.  We replaced the bad
 drive and hoped that the device could still rebuild.  While it was trying
 to do that, the tech team attempted to recover data from the bad drive.
 The recovery took a few days to scan the device for files and returned
 nothing.  The Buffalo device attempted to rebuild but was not able to
 rebuild from 2 failed drives.  Since an evaluation from the tech pros was
 free that was the route we took. Then they said it would cost more than we
 could handle.
 
 Any suggestions? Non-profit discounts, etc?
 
 Thank you so much for reading all that and any and all of your advice.
 
 Best,
 Cairie Riney
 Assistant Archivist
 Lambda Archives of San Diego
 lambdaarchives.org
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[MCN-L] MCN's Northeast Special Interest Group Meeting September 20, 2013

[Jeffrey Evans]

RSVP, one please...

Jeff Evans
Photographer, Manager of Visual Resources
Princeton University Art Museum
609-865-2562
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On Aug 6, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Janet M. Strohl-Morgan jstrohl at Princeton.EDU 
wrote:

 Hi Everyone,
 
 Please join MCN's Northeast Special Interest Group meeting!
 
 When: Friday, September 20, 2013 from 9 am to 5 pm
 Where: Princeton University
 Program: please see attached
 RSVP: to jstrohl at princeton.edumailto:jstrohl at princeton.edu by 
 September 9, 2013
 
 Directions to the Princeton University campus can be found 
 herehttp://www.princeton.edu/main/visiting/travel/.
 Lodging choices can be found 
 herehttp://www.princeton.edu/main/visiting/region/lodging/ with special 
 rates at participating hotels.
 The Nassau Innhttp://www.campustravel.com/university/princeton/nassau.htm, 
 Palmer Househttp://www.princeton.edu/palmerhouse/index.html and The Peacock 
 Innhttp://www.campustravel.com/university/princeton/peacockinn.htm are 
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 All are welcome!
 
 Please let me know if you have any questions.
 
 Thank you!
 
 Sincerely,
 
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 Princeton University Art Museum
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[MCN-L] Calibrating Scanners

[Jeffrey Evans]

Does xrite's Colormunki do scanners? I'm not sure... 

What level of calibrating are you looking for? We've been using a 750 for years 
with Epson software and mac's ImageCapture.  Seems to work well right out of 
the gate.  

Jeffrey Evans
(267) 693-3070


On May 22, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Cairie Riney cairie.bird at gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!
 Wondering what software and tools everyone uses to calibrate scanners?
 Are there any reliable free tools out there? I'm using an Epson V750
 and Silverfast Ai software. A friend recommended Spyder3 Studio SR but
 that's out of our price range. Any suggestions for inexpensive
 calibration and color management tools?
 Thanks!
 -Cairie Riney
 Julian Pioneer Museum
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[MCN-L] Outfitting A New Studio

[Jeffrey Evans]

Following the recommendations of other MCN folks, we deployed a Phase one 
645/P40+ last year from Digital Transitions in NY.  So far so good, really good 
actually.

Jeff Evans
Photographer, Digital Image Specialist
Princeton University Art Museum
(609) 258-8579 main
(267) 693-3070 cel

On Mar 29, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Diane Nighswander diane at imaging4art.com 
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 Good Morning Don -
 If you have not received any feedback regarding your inquiry, or are still
 looking for help, we would be more than happy to provide you a few
 recommendations and suggestions off-line.
 Best,
 Diane Nighswander
 IMAGING4ART
 
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Don Ross dross at sfmoma.org wrote:
 
 Hi-can you please post this?  (below)
 Many thanks
 -Don Ross
 
 _
 We're polling our colleagues
 
 ...The Best Medium-Format Equipment outfitting a new studio today?
 or If you had to do it all over again, what would you choose?
 
 We're about join the medium-format digital ranks... We have the EOS, a
 BetterLight, but need the middle ground, too.
 
 
 1.   Would you now choose Hasselblad, Mamiya Leaf (or another system)
 for medium-format digital?
 
 
 2.   For the the best compatible lights with said system above, would
 you choose strobes such as Broncolor, or continuous lights such as
 NorthLights (or others?)
 
 I understand that using continuous lighting systems, or strobes, are a
 matter of a photographer's experience  personal taste...
 
 But, given that Hasselblad and Broncolor have recently joined to form
 Hassel-Bron (at least for their distribution) I've heard the Broncolor
 strobes are more consistent with color between multi-shots.  Is this true,
 or are there different viewpoints? Are the continuous lights just as
 reliable between passes i.e does color temp fluctuate, or have Hasselblad
 and Broncolor really worked it out?
 
 Side question: Is it still too early in the photo art-repro world to
 consider LEDs being a viable and affordable continuous lighting system?
 I've heard they're currently popular in the movie industry, but what's the
 word in studio art-reproduction, or in-gallery views?
 
 Any and all input appreciated--- Many thanks!
 
 Don
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[MCN-L] Suggestions on Flatbed Scanners

[Jeffrey Evans]

Epson Perfection V700 Photo Scanner 

Lately, Ive been using ImageCapture on the Mac to run it!  



Jeffrey Evans
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Princeton University Art Museum
jfevans at princeton.edu
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On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Kelly Carpenter kcarpenter at albrightknox.org 
wrote:

 Good morning, 
 
 
 
 My name is Kelly Carpenter and I am the Digital Media Manager at the
 Albright-Knox Art Gallery. My department is currently looking into
 purchasing a flatbed scanner for digitizing black and white photographs.
 I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the best brand? 
 
 
 
 All the best, 
 
 Kelly
 
 
 
 Kelly Carpenter
 
 Digital Media Manager
 
 1285 Elmwood Avenue
 
 Buffalo, NY 14222-1096
 
 716.270.8235
 
 kcarpenter at albrightknox.org
 
 
 
 
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[MCN-L] TMS on a Mac

[Jeffrey Evans]

Hi Stan, 
At Princeton we use both methods, but I think I am the only one using a Fusion 
+ WindowXP config.  Works really well for me, but my TMS task list short:  
Review collection data, add an image, sometimes copy and paste label copy.  All 
works well with Fusion on a MacBook Pro running Snow Leopard.  Cathryn Goodwin 
might comment on the Remote desktop solution that other mac users at Princeton 
are using.  

JEFF

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Princeton University Art Museum
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On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Stanley Smith wrote:

 
 At the Getty we have a pretty big contingent of Mac users (imaging folks, 
 designers, Publications), and they all need to access our collection 
 management system, TMS.  Currently they do this by using a shared PC that 
 lives in a jump seat within their departments, but is away from their desks-- 
 making things as simple as cut-and-paste impossible.  Our IT department has 
 so far been reluctant to allow virtualization of Windows on our Macs (using 
 either VMware or Parallels).  I'd be interested to find out if other museums 
 are able to access Windows programs on their Macs, and if so have there been 
 any problems related to this configuration (security, update, of performance 
 issues).  Thanks in advance for your feedback! 
 
 Stanley Smith
 Head of Collection Information and Access
 J. Paul Getty Museum
 1200 Getty Center Drive,  Suite 1000
 Los Angeles, CA 90049-1687
 (310) 440-7286
 
 
 
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[MCN-L] digital asset management tools/software

[Jeffrey Evans]

Please ad my name to the group list - if you form one.  
Thanks.

Jeffrey Evans
Photographer, Digital Imaging Specialist
Princeton University Art Museum
jfevans at princeton.edu
609.258.8579
princetonartmuseum.org

On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Edwards, Chris wrote:

 Yes, I would like to be a part of this as well.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf 
 Of Kwan, Billy
 Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:17 AM
 To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
 Subject: Re: [MCN-L] digital asset management tools/software
 
 For those who will be interested to participate in the group or discussions 
 about the issues of digital asset management, you can send me your names. I 
 can work with Diana/the MCN Board to see if a separate group should be 
 formed, or we can work with the current Digital Media SIG to further our 
 discussions. If you are interested to share your experiences, maybe we can 
 form a panel discussion at the coming MCN conference.
 
 Best,
 Billy
 
 
 --
 Chris Edwards
 Digital Studio Production Manager
 Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library 
 Yale University
 Tel: 203.436.4690 
 chris.edwards at yale.edu
 
 
 
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[MCN-L] File Naming

[Jeffrey Evans]

No - just stay away from commas, periods, / slashes, %, , and if you can keep 
it below 18 characters you are in good shape. 



Jeffrey Evans
Photographer, Digital Imaging Specialist
Princeton University Art Museum
jfevans at princeton.edu
609.258.8579
princetonartmuseum.org

On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Silvia Ros wrote:

 Dear all,
 Is there any sort of problem with including a hyphen in the name of a file?
 
 
 Silvia Ros
 Photographer / Visual Resources Manager
 
 The Wolfsonian
 FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY
 
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[MCN-L] scanner recommendations?

[Jeffrey Evans]

By the way - thats a 35mm slide scanner - forgot to note that.



Jeffrey Evans
jfevans at princeton.edu
609.258.8579

On Jun 25, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Jeffrey Evans wrote:

 We just bought a Pacific Image PS3650 from BH for $700.  It works really 
 well.  A little slow though (USB), but produces files that can printed at 1/2 
 page I bet.  
 
 JEFF
 
 
 Jeffrey Evans
 Photographer, Digital Imaging Specialist
 Princeton University Art Museum
 jfevans at princeton.edu
 609.258.8579
 princetonartmuseum.org
 
 On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Tucker, Sara wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Does anyone have a wide-format (at least 11x17) scanner that you like and 
 could recommend? We need something that can do slides  transparencies too, 
 and hope to keep it under $2000, but would love to be able to scan something 
 at a quality high enough we could give it to printers.
 
 Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
 
 Sara
 
 
 
 Sara Tucker
 IT Director
 Dia Art Foundation
 535 West 22nd St
 New York, NY 10011
 stucker at diaart.orgmailto:stucker at diaart.org
 212.293.5576
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[MCN-L] Strobe lights

[Jeffrey Evans]

We use monolights here for copy stand work.  Nice, because you can just quickly 
adjust light.  They are usually not as powerful as pack powered lights, but 
that's OK for copy stand work.  Just be sure to replace both bulbs if you lose 
one.  Also with the self contained heads, there's just less gear hanging around 
your hooves, which is nice.  


Jeffrey Evans
Photographer, Digital Imaging Specialist
Princeton University Art Museum
jfevans at princeton.edu
609.258.8579
princetonartmuseum.org

On Mar 25, 2010, at 11:04 AM, David Almeida wrote:

 Dear colleagues,
 
 I would like to get your opinion on strobe lights.
 
 We are getting a digital camera to use on a copy stand to digitize library 
 materials (rare books, ephemera, posters, etc...) and we are thinking to use 
 strobe lights with that equipment.
 There are two different  types of strobe lights we are looking at. The 
 monolight and the generator+ head system. Which one do you use in your 
 studio and do you know if in terms of quality and consistency they're equal?
 Thank you in advance for your time.
 
 David
 
 
 David Almeidamailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu
 Digital Library Technicianmailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu
 
 The Wolfsonianhttp://www.wolfsonian.org/
 FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITYhttp://www.fiu.edu/
 
 1001 Washington Avenue
 Miami Beach, Florida  33139
 t  305-535-2634
 f  305-53-52639
 davida at thewolf.fiu.edumailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu
 www.wolfsonian.orghttp://www.wolfsonian.org/
 
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 Support Us
 Make a Gifthttp://www.wolfsonian.org/donate.asp
 
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[MCN-L] image sizes

[Jeffrey Evans]

This has been an interesting thread to read.  Here at Princeton we enjoy the 
cover of an Office of General Counsel.  We have had more than a few meetings 
dealing with what we can and cannot put online. The question is not IF you're 
going to get burned, but WHEN.  One of our attorneys has been neck deep in 
cases just such as this, and the results are very specific as to what is usable 
pixel-size-wise.  Its a scary litigious world out there and if you're dealing 
with living artists or other intellectual property that will generate some 
revenue; make sure you're OK before posting something.

JEFF EVANS
Princeton Univ Art Museum.

-Original Message-
From: mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu on behalf of Eric Johnson
Sent: Tue 5/5/2009 11:55 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] image sizes
 
Matt raises an interesting point: has anybody ever had any problems with
people lifting high-quality images of your collection without seeking
permission and making money with them (posters, t-shirts, etc.)?

The only thing I can think of off-hand is more in the vein of taking
print-quality images and using them in books without permission.  But
then again, I'm not familiar with any example of that actually
happening; it's just a worry passed down from higher-ups.

But I'm curious about any specific examples of such unauthorized
reproduction that anybody might have.

--E.

Eric D. M. Johnson
Web Services Librarian
Jefferson Library, Monticello
P.O. Box 316
Charlottesville, VA 22902
Phone: (434) 984-7540 | Fax: (434) 984-7546
http://www.monticello.org/library/
ejohnson at monticello.org



-Original Message-
From: Morgan, Matt [mailto:matt.mor...@metmuseum.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:44 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] image sizes

I get it, definitely. There are lots of things we should be doing, but
don't, purely for least-cost path analysis. But it's raining like crazy
here so it's a good day to sit in my office and rant about one of my
bugbears a little bit.

We (the museum community) have hardly ever (never?) seen a significant,
commercial, inappropriate, reuse of museum object images. It just isn't
done--there is no business model in stealing images. Getting images of
more than 1000px (from Flickr, for example) of our objects is a trivial
matter, so it cannot be that increasing image sizes on our own websites
will make this problem materialize.

I am utterly, totally sympathetic to the political problems we all face.
I just think it's time to get over this image-size thing and start
letting people enjoy our images instead of squinting at them or blowing
them up until they're fuzzy.

Thanks,
Matt


On 5/5/09 11:10 AM, Real, Will RealW at CarnegieMuseums.Org wrote:

Matt, you are probably right, but 500 was what other people here (e.g.
Publications staff) were comfortable with. A postcard-sized inkjet print
we made from a 600 pixel image was surprisingly good, good enough to
scare people. I hope someday we can move beyond this stalemate and
provide more useful images to the public, with or without tools such as
Zoomify.

Will

-Original Message-
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Morgan, Matt
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:48 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] image sizes

I'm aware of the discussion, but what's the limit before you hit
commercially viable? Surely more than 500px.

On 5/5/09 10:39 AM, Real, Will RealW at CarnegieMuseums.Org wrote:

Hi Matt,

The reason is simple: the museum does not want people to be able to use
the large images to produce commercially viable prints. There was a
thread on this list awhile back about that issue, and it seems our
museum is not alone in taking this approach. We seem to think that there
is some money to be made off the images and if anyone is going to make
it, it should be us.

With Zoomify or jpeg2000 we can offer up the full size image without
loading it all at once. If someone really wants to they will still be
able to download all of the high-res tiles and reassemble them, but it
would be a lot more difficult.

Another reason is that some images are published on the web with
permission from the copyright owners. The permission form specifies the
online image size. We'd have to maintain at least two different maximum
file sizes online depending on copyright. Not impossible of course, just
kind of a pain!

Will

-Original Message-
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Morgan, Matt
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:57 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] image sizes

Will, why wait for zoom before providing the large images? I think there
are a lot of good arguments for very big images online now:

1) modern browsers handle resizing well
2) scrolling (when an image is too big for the window) is at least as
easy for users as zooming, and shows them as much of the 

[MCN-L] image sizes

[Jeffrey Evans]

No. Those cases dealt with online media not involving us.  We were given 
entertaining examples, but nothing that I feel comfortable repeating.  Right 
now, our limits are 256pix high. (A glorified thumbnail really.)

JEFF


-Original Message-
From: mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu on behalf of Morgan, Matt
Sent: Tue 5/5/2009 12:26 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] image sizes
 
Can you share some examples of getting burned?


On 5/5/09 12:16 PM, Jeffrey Evans jfevans at Princeton.EDU wrote:

This has been an interesting thread to read.  Here at Princeton we enjoy the 
cover of an Office of General Counsel.  We have had more than a few meetings 
dealing with what we can and cannot put online. The question is not IF you're 
going to get burned, but WHEN.  One of our attorneys has been neck deep in 
cases just such as this, and the results are very specific as to what is usable 
pixel-size-wise.  Its a scary litigious world out there and if you're dealing 
with living artists or other intellectual property that will generate some 
revenue; make sure you're OK before posting something.

JEFF EVANS
Princeton Univ Art Museum.

-Original Message-
From: mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu on behalf of Eric Johnson
Sent: Tue 5/5/2009 11:55 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] image sizes

Matt raises an interesting point: has anybody ever had any problems with
people lifting high-quality images of your collection without seeking
permission and making money with them (posters, t-shirts, etc.)?

The only thing I can think of off-hand is more in the vein of taking
print-quality images and using them in books without permission.  But
then again, I'm not familiar with any example of that actually
happening; it's just a worry passed down from higher-ups.

But I'm curious about any specific examples of such unauthorized
reproduction that anybody might have.

--E.

Eric D. M. Johnson
Web Services Librarian
Jefferson Library, Monticello
P.O. Box 316
Charlottesville, VA 22902
Phone: (434) 984-7540 | Fax: (434) 984-7546
http://www.monticello.org/library/
ejohnson at monticello.org



-Original Message-
From: Morgan, Matt [mailto:matt.mor...@metmuseum.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:44 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] image sizes

I get it, definitely. There are lots of things we should be doing, but
don't, purely for least-cost path analysis. But it's raining like crazy
here so it's a good day to sit in my office and rant about one of my
bugbears a little bit.

We (the museum community) have hardly ever (never?) seen a significant,
commercial, inappropriate, reuse of museum object images. It just isn't
done--there is no business model in stealing images. Getting images of
more than 1000px (from Flickr, for example) of our objects is a trivial
matter, so it cannot be that increasing image sizes on our own websites
will make this problem materialize.

I am utterly, totally sympathetic to the political problems we all face.
I just think it's time to get over this image-size thing and start
letting people enjoy our images instead of squinting at them or blowing
them up until they're fuzzy.

Thanks,
Matt


On 5/5/09 11:10 AM, Real, Will RealW at CarnegieMuseums.Org wrote:

Matt, you are probably right, but 500 was what other people here (e.g.
Publications staff) were comfortable with. A postcard-sized inkjet print
we made from a 600 pixel image was surprisingly good, good enough to
scare people. I hope someday we can move beyond this stalemate and
provide more useful images to the public, with or without tools such as
Zoomify.

Will

-Original Message-
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Morgan, Matt
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:48 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] image sizes

I'm aware of the discussion, but what's the limit before you hit
commercially viable? Surely more than 500px.

On 5/5/09 10:39 AM, Real, Will RealW at CarnegieMuseums.Org wrote:

Hi Matt,

The reason is simple: the museum does not want people to be able to use
the large images to produce commercially viable prints. There was a
thread on this list awhile back about that issue, and it seems our
museum is not alone in taking this approach. We seem to think that there
is some money to be made off the images and if anyone is going to make
it, it should be us.

With Zoomify or jpeg2000 we can offer up the full size image without
loading it all at once. If someone really wants to they will still be
able to download all of the high-res tiles and reassemble them, but it
would be a lot more difficult.

Another reason is that some images are published on the web with
permission from the copyright owners. The permission form specifies the
online image size. We'd have to maintain at least two different maximum
file sizes online depending on copyright. Not impossible of course, just
kind of a pain

[MCN-L] DVD's (5 year lifetime true?)

[Jeffrey Evans]

Susan,   Yes, media can fail anytime so it is always a good idea to have two
copies (preferably on two types of media.)  Lifespan beyond 10 years is
pointless anyway because you will most likely want to take advantage of
bigger and speedier and cheaper storage devices.  Don't sweat it, keep
moving.

JEFF
 
Jeffrey Evans
Digital Imaging Specialist
Princeton University  Art Museum
(609) 258-8579




On 2/12/07 10:18 AM, Ari Davidow aridavidow at gmail.com wrote:

 There is _no_ assured lifetime for optical media (DVD, CD). There are claims
 that archival quality media last for 100 years. There is also experiential
 evidence that this is not so. Optical media may fail catastrophically at any
 time (although the odds are that a given platter will last for many years).
 If you use optical media for archival purposes, you need to be created
 multiple copies, and also need a fairly rigorous program to test each copy
 regularly (at least once a year) to look for degradation.
 
 Faced with this headache, we have opted for live RAID storage, with
 additional off-site live storage--we are currently looking at Amazon's S3,
 as well as at a newer service, carbonite.com. Ultimately, we hope to work
 with a few geographically-distributed partners to back up each other's work,
 but don't yet feel that we have the experience or knowledge to be confident
 that we're ready to do that.
 
 ari
 
 On 2/12/07, Susan Fishman-Armstrong sfishman at westga.edu wrote:
 
 A couple of conservation questions:
 
 Our laboratory director came to me last week.  He is starting to digitize
 his old maps on DVDs.
 
 He ran across some information that said that the lifetime of DVDs is only
 5
 years.  Is that true?
 If so, what is the estimated lifespan of the gold plated DVDs?
 Finally, is the lifespan of DVDs shorter than CDs?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Susan
 
 +
 Susan Fishman-Armstrong
 Laboratory Coordinator
 Antonio J. Waring, Jr. Archaeological Laboratory
 University of West Georgia
 Carrollton, GA 30118
 
 678-839-6303 (office)
 678-839-6306 (fax)
 www.westga.edu/~ajwlab/
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
 Amalyah Keshet
 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:05 AM
 To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
 Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG: Copyright at the Whitney: the
 Oldenburg-PicassoExhibit
 
 Interesting post at :
 http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/
 
 Copyright at the Whitney: the Oldenburg-Picasso Exhibit It goes without
 saying that I can't go anywhere without seeing copyright issues lurking in
 the background. The last room of the Whitney's Picasso and American Art,
 however, forced them to the foreground...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Amalyah Keshet
 Head of Image Resources  Copyright Management
 The Israel Museum, Jerusalem  akeshet at imj.org.il
 Chair, MCN IP SIG   www.mcn.edu
 Blog  www.musematic.net
 
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[MCN-L] compressing TIFFs for museum collection images

[Jeffrey Evans]

No - don't compress. Write DVDs if you have to.  Or buy more space.
Another issue will be reading a compressed Tiff - you may hit some potholes
software-wise. Also as your systems and software packages upgrade, its one
more headache to worry about.

JEFF
 
Jeffrey Evans
Digital Imaging Specialist
Princeton University  Art Museum
(609) 258-8579






On 1/31/07 4:08 PM, Friscia, Jeanne jfriscia at SFMOMA.org wrote:

 We at SFMOMA are on the heels of ingesting our permanent collection high
 resolution TIF files into our DAMS system and faced with the issue of
 whether or not to use compressed tiffs. While we know that they
 represent a lossless standard, we wonder if anyone has thoughts on
 issues that may arise concerning corruption, preservation, etc. In other
 words, is this really a good idea and are there cons to the pros of
 saving storage space?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jeanne Friscia
 
  
 
 Jeanne Friscia
 
 Visual Resources Specialist
 
 Collections Information Access Department
 
 SFMOMA
 
 (415) 357-4103
 
  
 
 
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