Re: [MediaWiki-l] Translating a wiki

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Hutchison 
That's ok if they are on different continents. That is actually a plus because 
work is getting done 24 hours a day. What they need is a support group chat for 
each other. They would all be able to read English if they are translating 
right? Teach a few simple wiki markup such as links and what to do with 
categories. Then they help others who in turn help others. We have over 40 in a 
chat who help each other and have fun at the same time. And they were all 
scared of the wiki but couldn't believe how easy it was once they started. They 
are actually waiting on me for more translations to do because I can't keep up 
with them. I know there is only 1 translating this language or that language. 
We have that too. One person is doing Swahili while another one is working on 
Japanese.   Also, you mark pages for translation. You control whether to 
include templates or exclude variables in template calls. They are really just 
translating the page title and text. Images, tell them to add -fr.png or 
-es.png to the end then upload the changed files.   Tom 

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Unfortunately that won't work for our workflow.  My translators are on  
different continents from me and aren't well versed in mediawiki stuff.   
Since we use the collection extension to print our manuals I was  
planning to provide Word documents for them to use, both in English and  
in the target language, and then update the wiki based on markups.



On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Tom mailto:t...@hutch4.us>> wrote:

Use the translate extension!

Since you admit human proofreaders will have to go through and
verify translations, why not perform both tasks at the same time.
The translate extension allows for connection to a translation
service and can auto fill the translation for you. At the same time
a translator can make adjustments so you're not creating lots of
pages with inaccurate translations.

Tom
Sent from my iPhone

 > On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:37 PM, John Bibby
 wrote:
 >
 > I too have a similar problem, and would like to know the best way of
 > dealing with it - in particular if file-names also need to be
translated.
 >
 > JOHN BIBBY
 >
 >
 >> On 3 June 2014 17:33, Yan Seiner  wrote:
 >>
 >> I am tasked with translating our wiki into a couple of
languages. We have
 >> several thousand pages, and just creating all of the sub-pages is a
 >> monumental task.
 >>
 >> I've looked at the various translate extensions, and they seem to be
 >> either on the fly, or assisted manual.
 >>
 >> Is anyone aware of a translation extension or script that would
spider
 >> through the wiki, using Google or MS to translate each page, and
create the
 >> appropriate language sub-pages?
 >>
 >> I know that human proofreaders would have to go through each
page after
 >> that and fix/correct/rewrite the automatic translations, but at
least all
 >> of the subpages, with the appropriate images, templates, etc.
would be in
 >> place, making the job much, much simpler.
 >>
 >> --Yan
 >>
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Re: [MediaWiki-l] Translating a wiki

2014-06-03 Thread Yan Seiner 
Unfortunately that won't work for our workflow.  My translators are on 
different continents from me and aren't well versed in mediawiki stuff.  
Since we use the collection extension to print our manuals I was 
planning to provide Word documents for them to use, both in English and 
in the target language, and then update the wiki based on markups.




On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Tom > wrote:


   Use the translate extension!

   Since you admit human proofreaders will have to go through and
   verify translations, why not perform both tasks at the same time.
   The translate extension allows for connection to a translation
   service and can auto fill the translation for you. At the same time
   a translator can make adjustments so you're not creating lots of
   pages with inaccurate translations.

   Tom
   Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:37 PM, John Bibby
wrote:
>
> I too have a similar problem, and would like to know the best way of
> dealing with it - in particular if file-names also need to be
   translated.
>
> JOHN BIBBY
>
>
>> On 3 June 2014 17:33, Yan Seiner  wrote:
>>
>> I am tasked with translating our wiki into a couple of
   languages. We have
>> several thousand pages, and just creating all of the sub-pages is a
>> monumental task.
>>
>> I've looked at the various translate extensions, and they seem to be
>> either on the fly, or assisted manual.
>>
>> Is anyone aware of a translation extension or script that would
   spider
>> through the wiki, using Google or MS to translate each page, and
   create the
>> appropriate language sub-pages?
>>
>> I know that human proofreaders would have to go through each
   page after
>> that and fix/correct/rewrite the automatic translations, but at
   least all
>> of the subpages, with the appropriate images, templates, etc.
   would be in
>> place, making the job much, much simpler.
>>
>> --Yan
>>
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Re: [MediaWiki-l] Translating a wiki

2014-06-03 Thread Tom 
Use the translate extension!

Since you admit human proofreaders will have to go through and verify 
translations, why not perform both tasks at the same time. The translate 
extension allows for connection to a translation service and can auto fill the 
translation for you. At the same time a translator can make adjustments so 
you're not creating lots of pages with inaccurate translations. 

Tom
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:37 PM, John Bibby  wrote:
> 
> I too have a similar problem, and would like to know the best way of
> dealing with it - in particular if file-names also need to be translated.
> 
> JOHN BIBBY
> 
> 
>> On 3 June 2014 17:33, Yan Seiner  wrote:
>> 
>> I am tasked with translating our wiki into a couple of languages. We have
>> several thousand pages, and just creating all of the sub-pages is a
>> monumental task.
>> 
>> I've looked at the various translate extensions, and they seem to be
>> either on the fly, or assisted manual.
>> 
>> Is anyone aware of a translation extension or script that would spider
>> through the wiki, using Google or MS to translate each page, and create the
>> appropriate language sub-pages?
>> 
>> I know that human proofreaders would have to go through each page after
>> that and fix/correct/rewrite the automatic translations, but at least all
>> of the subpages, with the appropriate images, templates, etc. would be in
>> place, making the job much, much simpler.
>> 
>> --Yan
>> 
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Re: [MediaWiki-l] Translating a wiki

2014-06-03 Thread John Bibby 
I too have a similar problem, and would like to know the best way of
dealing with it - in particular if file-names also need to be translated.

JOHN BIBBY


On 3 June 2014 17:33, Yan Seiner  wrote:

> I am tasked with translating our wiki into a couple of languages. We have
> several thousand pages, and just creating all of the sub-pages is a
> monumental task.
>
> I've looked at the various translate extensions, and they seem to be
> either on the fly, or assisted manual.
>
> Is anyone aware of a translation extension or script that would spider
> through the wiki, using Google or MS to translate each page, and create the
> appropriate language sub-pages?
>
> I know that human proofreaders would have to go through each page after
> that and fix/correct/rewrite the automatic translations, but at least all
> of the subpages, with the appropriate images, templates, etc. would be in
> place, making the job much, much simpler.
>
> --Yan
>
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