Re: [MBZ] v-belts
What's the car? I have an extra alternator belt lying around for a 115. On 10/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because I'm anxious to get it on the road again. All I'm missing is those 2 belts. -- Original message -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been to the local autopart stores around town for replacement v-belts for the generator and PS. Everybody has a different size and none of them fit. Anybody know what the correct size is? 72 250 M130 w114. WHY don't you call and order the correct belt from Rusty? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Sad Death
hey hey hey, easy on the Masons...I am in the process of becoming one! =) On 10/22/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabriel S. wrote: 10 commandments in your home...OK! In our govorment NO! In private business? Whats the purpose? In some parts of the country, people will pay extra to feel like they're patronizing a Christian business. The whole supporting your own thing. I used to live in a town where becoming a Mason was pretty much a requirement if you wanted to run a business downtown. Same sort of deal. People are more favorably disposed towards you if you're members of the same cult. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
[MBZ] 300CD Evaporator Drain Hoses?
The 85 300CD is fogging up inside again. The evaporator drain hoses may be clogged. Would someone be so kind as to remind me where they are routed and where they exit? Thanks, Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 236kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 194kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] newbie questions
On my trip across the nation last year, I stopped for fuel at a few truck stops. Other than having to use the smaller hose (driver side tank) to fit the nozzle, I just pulled to the pump, walked to the counter, told them I was filling up on the second pump, and away I went. Best additive is Italian Tune Up and Biodiesel. If you have injector issues, use Diesel Purge once a year. On Saturday, October 22, 2005, at 01:46 PM, Lee Levitt wrote: Here's two newbie questions: 1). On the highway, at a rest stop, do you pull in with the 18 wheelers to fill up? is there any specific etiquette about getting in line with a guy filling 100-200 gallon tanks? Do you pay at the pump, like with the gas islands out front? Do you usually take a latex glove to keep the diesel smell off your hands? What else should I know? 2). I know nothing about diesel additives, except that they're important. What should I know? Thanks! Lee '93 300 2.5L td (soon) -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] v-belts
order and you will have them by lunch Tuesday On Sunday, October 23, 2005, at 01:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because I'm anxious to get it on the road again. All I'm missing is those 2 belts. -- Original message -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been to the local autopart stores around town for replacement v-belts for the generator and PS. Everybody has a different size and none of them fit. Anybody know what the correct size is? 72 250 M130 w114. WHY don't you call and order the correct belt from Rusty? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] Scout smokers
Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels.. Sure they were. Decades ago, I recall seeing Scout diesels from time to time. And they could be identified (if you were deaf or had no olfactory glands) by Diesel emblems. Matter of fact, a friend had a momentary lapse of judgement and considered buying one to pull his car trailer. Instead, he bought a big ugly Dodge diesel stick shift pickup which didn't last long. It was swapped for one of the first diesel Suburbans. RLE/wet Seattle
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price wackiness
Theres a big difference between driving a beat up old truck and giving that same truck a paint job, 7 lift, 40 tires and running straight pipes... -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:50:34 -0700 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price wackiness To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt Raymond wrote: I'm sick and tired of hearing about how this effects the poor. I see more and more idiots that sling burgers at McDonalds driving big pickups with big mudder tires. When I was a kid, we had very little money. We mostly rode around in pickup trucks and Suburbans. Know why? When you live in the rural Midwest and don't have a lot of money, you drive what's available for cheap on the used market and is inexpensive to maintain. Pickup trucks and Suburbans are ubiquitous (because farmers buy them), they take a lot of abuse, and they're cheap and easy to fix. (I recall one Suburban my parents bought for $1000, drove for two years, and sold for $500, having put in almost no money in repairs. That's cheap transportation.) The corner mechanic, the cheap but honest one who's been in business for 40 years, won't want to touch a Honda or Toyota. Real poor people don't have cars and live in a small apartment in the city near where they work so they can WALK. Sorry, the apartments in the city have all been taken by rich people, these days. And they don't want to lease to anyone with kids, anyhow. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Oct 24 13:28:08 2005 Received: from 24.svnf1.xdsl.nauticom.net ([209.195.153.153] helo=odie.pinebluff.net) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52) id 1EU2My-0005S0-C9 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:28:08 + Received: from odie.pinebluff.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odie.pinebluff.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9ODS1NZ012050 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:28:01 -0400 Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by odie.pinebluff.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j9ODS1KO012048; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:28:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: odie.pinebluff.net: apache set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Received: from 12.27.179.239 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kslater); by www.pinebluff.dyndns.org with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:28:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on odie.pinebluff.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] 300TD header to cat exhaust pipe? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:28:09 - I found a problem with my exhaust system on my 87 300TD (wagon). The 'downpipe' that provides the path from the header to the front muffler / catalytic converter has a leak in the braided portion. What is the purpose of this section of this pipe? Rusty or Hursty if you're reading this: What is the cost of this pipe? I only see it on the 300D section and it has a not currently available status with a link to get a quote. ...Kevin 87 300TD 277k mi
Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's
Peter Thank you for the in depth post comparing DI to IDI engines. I still prefer driving my 5 spd 240s over my Dodge CTD although its nice not to be bothered by tail gaters , BTW I towed a broken 240D home and got 23 MPG (230 miles, half that with the tow) Regards Steve Van Cleve Marrowstone Isl Wa 85 Euro 240D 5 spd 110K 79 240D 5spd fresh tranny transplan 82 Euro 300 TD non turbo, project wagon 94 Dodge, 2500, 5 spd, 5.9 Cummins, 95K Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Subject: Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:46:39 -0500 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Message: 6 There are lots of design compromises in diesel engines, and there are notable differences in DI and IDI engines as currently produced beyond injection type -- notably, the US made DI engines are almost exclusively long stroke, limited rpm engines (3000 rpm max) with low compression and VERY high boost (20 psi) so that the effective compression ratio under load is similar to a Benz or Volvo short stroke, high rpm engine (up to 5500 rather than 3000 rpm), high compression rato (21:1 and up -- Volvo diesels may be as high as 26:1 as built). However, the direct injection engine WILL produce more hp and torque at the design rpm due to better combustion efficency (sideways sprays out from the injector rather than a directed flame from a pre-chamber) -- but ONLY at that rpm, not much higher or lower. They toss rods when oversped significantly, like any other engine. The cost is NOISE, and since most US diesels don't have variable injection timing, smoke and poor efficiency off peak rpm. Used to be much worse, just watch an old Detroit, Mack, or Cummins over the road truck at a stoplight -- about the time the black smoke starts to taper off under load, the driver has to change gears! And I'm not talking just a little smoke, either! In modern engines, especially the Cummins sixes, the smoke problem is mostly gone unless user modified, but the noise and inflexibility are still there, hence the lousy milage those engines produce. 17 mpg in a large empty pickup at 65 mph with a diesel is horrible -- my 72 280 SE 4.5 does that good! That engine should produce 25-28 mpg at that speed and load. They are nearly bullet proof, produce prodigous horsepower at peak rpm, and do fine on fuel at that speed. Prechamber engines, on the other hand, are usually very quiet, very flexible (wide rpm range with usable hp and torque), but tend to use more fuel because the thermal effeciency is lower - it's very hard to get excessive exhaust gas temps because the fire will be quenched due to lack of oxygen in the prechamber when more fuel is added. On a DI engine, it's fairly easy to keep adding fuel and air and melt the pistons becuase all the fuel will burn every time. The lower thermal effeciency is partially overcome by the higher compression ratio, since higher compression will give you better themal usage reguardless of other design considerations (and they are easier to start cold, too!) The fuel efficency overall, however, isn't that simple. Once you're off the peak rpm in a DI engine, fuel use goes up fast and hp/torque goes down fast, so unless you have an infinitely variable transmission or LOTS of gear ratios to choose from, the speed at which you get good milage is restricted. This was a major problem when speed limits were lowered in teh 70s as most trucks were running at the wrong rpm -- in those days, the power band was as small as 1900-2200 rpm! Off that, no power, stalling on hills, etc, and running a gear down results in even worse milage It's great fun to read engine specs for diesels of all types -- the difference between US practice and everyone else in the world is astonishing. Both Detroit and Volvo make large marine engines (3000 hp or so) -- the Detroit is a huge, triple turbo 18:1 engine that weighs almost twice as much as the Volvo Penta -- 23:1 compression, 5000 rpm vs 2200, since tubo, considerably smaller. Both have a history of dependability, but I'mm willing to bet the Volvo uses somewhat less fuel in varied use The new Jeep diesel is a Detroit, typical low compression engine, and while it has good torque numbers, the milage STINKS -- barely 20! My brother's SDL gets 28 on the highway, hauling a heavier body with only a four speed, not a six speed tranny. I suspect a 60x turbo Benz 2.5L would give more power, with less fuel consumption (and not much more in cost, either, since that Detroit adds $4k to the price!) There are lots of ways around the barn with internal combustion engines, and diesel engines haven't had the
[MBZ] list down?
heloo out there -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's
rumor has it that Peter wrote: Snip a bunch of stuff This was a major problem when speed limits were lowered in teh 70s as most trucks were running at the wrong rpm -- in those days, the power band was as small as 1900-2200 rpm! I don't know what engines you are thinking of, but the 15L engines that _I'm_ familiar with have a power band of 500-800 RPM. Shoot, most of the 15L engines won't go much faster than 2200 RPM under load! Other than this little nit-pic, I enjoyed the post!! Good stuff. Philip, who likes diesels and Mercedes
Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 09:13:19AM -0400, Mitch Haley wrote: Then why is a 18.5:1 DI more efficient in a 3/4 ton pickup than a 22.5:1 IDI? Because ford kinked the downpipe and detuned the 7.3 IDI so that the powerstroke wouldn't have less power than the engine it replaced. [The cummins engine was always DI, the mitsubishi diesel in the late seventies dodges isn't a fair comparison to it anyways. The GM DI and IDI diesels are also not a fair comparison since displacement changed.] K
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
Nissan had some pretty nice 6's especially the old inline dohc 3.0 which was used in their trucks and the Maxima. The later 3.0 was a V6 which was twin turbo charged and put into the 300Z and made about 300 HP. Good engine even in non turbo form 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:01:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Didn't they also use the BMW turbodiesel at some point? Though the Nissan unit would be preferable, still a few of the old Maximas running around with rusty bodies, just waiting to be used engine donors ;-) Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I have seen another example of this truck.The Nissan diesel WAS a factory option. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
I get the feeling someone just doesn't understand that International never used a diesel engine in their light trucks. The 304 and 345 were AMC supplied V8's and were not converted diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:38:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay BT WRONG! From http://www.scoutconnection.com/ FAQ section: 8. When did International offer a diesel-powered Scout? 1976 was the first year for a diesel-powered Scout. International used the Nissan SD-33 diesel engine for fuel economy. Complaints of not enough power prompted International to replace the SD-33 with the SD-33T (Turbocharged) diesel engine in 1980. The diesel-powered Scouts were very popular with their fuel-saving economy of 20 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. End Quote The Nissan diesel was available for many years. Diesel Scouts are getting rare because of the high repair costs, combined with diesel ignorance. Most of the remaining Diesels have been converted to gas 345 v-8. One of the nice things about IH Scouts and pickups is that any drivetrain option can be converted to any other drivetrain option with factory parts. A 2wd 304 auto pickup can be converted to a 392 4barrel, 4 speed 4wd but unbolting and bolting on the new parts. Unfortunately, the Nissan was detuned for reliability and the turbo was detuned also. They were slow. They are about like driving a 123 240D auto, and are probably even slower than that. The engine can be tuned for more power They are, like a 240D, good dependable engines as stock. As the HP goes up the durability decreases. International's own diesel engines were too heavy for automotive use, so they bought the Nissan diesels to catch the growing popularity of Diesels following the 74 oil shortage. For more information, the ultimate source is www.scoutconnection.com At 03:19 AM 10/23/2005, you wrote: Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/
Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's
One of the latest advances in DI engines is computer controlled injection. Specifically to get the DI engines quieter they inject a small amount of fuel then as piston goes down they inject the remainder of the fuel. This is why the new Cummins and other DI diesels are quite. As far as compression ratio goes, I was wrong. The DI are usually lower but have larger turbos to make up the difference. I have been interested in ways to increase power and MPG of a OM617, so far the best thing I have found is to get a CDI. Actually one thing I have noticed on the OM617 is that the engine heats up quickly, which indicates that it is not thermally efficient. Regards, Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:47 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's There are lots of design compromises in diesel engines, and there are notable differences in DI and IDI engines as currently produced beyond injection type -- notably, the US made DI engines are almost exclusively long stroke, limited rpm engines (3000 rpm max) with low compression and VERY high boost (20 psi) so that the effective compression ratio under load is similar to a Benz or Volvo short stroke, high rpm engine (up to 5500 rather than 3000 rpm), high compression rato (21:1 and up -- Volvo diesels may be as high as 26:1 as built). However, the direct injection engine WILL produce more hp and torque at the design rpm due to better combustion efficency (sideways sprays out from the injector rather than a directed flame from a pre-chamber) -- but ONLY at that rpm, not much higher or lower. They toss rods when oversped significantly, like any other engine. The cost is NOISE, and since most US diesels don't have variable injection timing, smoke and poor efficiency off peak rpm. Used to be much worse, just watch an old Detroit, Mack, or Cummins over the road truck at a stoplight -- about the time the black smoke starts to taper off under load, the driver has to change gears! And I'm not talking just a little smoke, either! In modern engines, especially the Cummins sixes, the smoke problem is mostly gone unless user modified, but the noise and inflexibility are still there, hence the lousy milage those engines produce. 17 mpg in a large empty pickup at 65 mph with a diesel is horrible -- my 72 280 SE 4.5 does that good! That engine should produce 25-28 mpg at that speed and load. They are nearly bullet proof, produce prodigous horsepower at peak rpm, and do fine on fuel at that speed. Prechamber engines, on the other hand, are usually very quiet, very flexible (wide rpm range with usable hp and torque), but tend to use more fuel because the thermal effeciency is lower - it's very hard to get excessive exhaust gas temps because the fire will be quenched due to lack of oxygen in the prechamber when more fuel is added. On a DI engine, it's fairly easy to keep adding fuel and air and melt the pistons becuase all the fuel will burn every time. The lower thermal effeciency is partially overcome by the higher compression ratio, since higher compression will give you better themal usage reguardless of other design considerations (and they are easier to start cold, too!) The fuel efficency overall, however, isn't that simple. Once you're off the peak rpm in a DI engine, fuel use goes up fast and hp/torque goes down fast, so unless you have an infinitely variable transmission or LOTS of gear ratios to choose from, the speed at which you get good milage is restricted. This was a major problem when speed limits were lowered in teh 70s as most trucks were running at the wrong rpm -- in those days, the power band was as small as 1900-2200 rpm! Off that, no power, stalling on hills, etc, and running a gear down results in even worse milage It's great fun to read engine specs for diesels of all types -- the difference between US practice and everyone else in the world is astonishing. Both Detroit and Volvo make large marine engines (3000 hp or so) -- the Detroit is a huge, triple turbo 18:1 engine that weighs almost twice as much as the Volvo Penta -- 23:1 compression, 5000 rpm vs 2200, since tubo, considerably smaller. Both have a history of dependability, but I'mm willing to bet the Volvo uses somewhat less fuel in varied use The new Jeep diesel is a Detroit, typical low compression engine, and while it has good torque numbers, the milage STINKS -- barely 20! My brother's SDL gets 28 on the highway, hauling a heavier body with only a four speed, not a six speed tranny. I suspect a 60x turbo Benz 2.5L would give more power, with less fuel consumption (and not much more in cost, either, since that Detroit adds $4k to the price!) There are lots of ways around the barn with internal combustion engines, and diesel engines haven't had the
[MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco today
Kevin of Hillsboro Nice score. I had no idea crank windows were an option on that truck. I would much rather have the vinyl for the doggy hauling capabilities also. you know about the Turbo diesel Register, right ? http://www.turbodieselregister.com/ there a couple more too. Regards Steve Van Cleve Marrowstone Isl Wa 85 Euro 240D 5 spd 110K 79 240D 5spd fresh tranny transplan 82 Euro 300 TD non turbo, project wagon 94 Dodge, 2500, 5 spd, 5.9 Cummins, 95K Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Subject: Re: [MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco today Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:38:43 -0700 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 12 Oregoon is testing a system of taxing you for miles driven, not fuel purchases. Was that word Oregoon types on purpose? If such a system ever manages to make it into practice, I'll have to find another one with a broken odometer. I did find A 03 Dodge Cummins quad cab pickup that will be running biodiesel. The right one came along, 6 spd, 23K miles, matching canopy/shell, 2wd, AC, crank-up windows and vinyl everything, perfect and doggie friendly as well! A new one would have set me back over $40K, and I was lucky enough to find this one for just over half price. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 2003 Dodge 2500 Cummins Diesel P/U, 23K miles, no name yet, still between MB diesels
Re: [MBZ] v-belts
You can always go to the dealership when you need parts immediately. They can get the correct one for you. For future reference you might want to get extra belts and hoses to keep for emergency use. You can order those and save some money. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] v-belts Because I'm anxious to get it on the road again. All I'm missing is those 2 belts. -- Original message -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been to the local autopart stores around town for replacement v-belts for the generator and PS. Everybody has a different size and none of them fit. Anybody know what the correct size is? 72 250 M130 w114. WHY don't you call and order the correct belt from Rusty? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] v-belts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because I'm anxious to get it on the road again. All I'm missing is those 2 belts. Good luck, I tried the same thing and never found ones that worked I don't even think I found some I could nurse along for a few days until the Rusty order came in. John '79 300SD
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
I'd surely love to have one of those. The turbo version is rated at something like 101hp, the na was of course less so they're obviously not speed deamons but if you're looking for speed in a Scout you need your head examined... -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Oct 24 13:49:19 2005 Received: from nova.its.msstate.edu ([130.18.2.42]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EU2hT-0007Pw-B0 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:49:19 + Received: from [192.208.152.177] by nova.its.msstate.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:49:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:49:29 -0500 From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Random Stall X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:49:19 - X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:49:19 - Was driving to class this morning and completely at random the engine dropped to 1500 rpm and wouldn't go higher. Put it in neutral and it dropped to zero (go rear pump!). Coasted to the side of the road, tried to restart it, and it fired up on the first crank. Nothing appeared to be abnormal under the hood, and it ran just fine afterwards. My only guess is that the fuel had gelled, and I just got a glob of gelled fuel. I haven't filled up since Rita hit (close to a month?), and the temp this morning was 38F. After class is out I'll hit the diesel pump and get some diesel fuel that hopefully has the winter blend in it, and I'll never see the problem again. Does this sound reasonable? Torque converter is doing some funny things as well (time for a fluid change also) could this have any kind of connection? Thanks for the help! John '79 300SD
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
BZ!!! The Nissan diesel wasn't very common but its out there. In fact in 1980 which was the last year of production most Scouts were diesels to use up the supply of engines. The big trucks could be had (I think only in 1ton or above) with an IH or Detroit diesel I believe. At some point I'd like to have both a Scout and a big pickup with diesels. I specify diesel because I'd like to be able to afford to drive somewhere... When I was a little kid my great uncles had Internationals, uncle Reg had a Scout with a piece of railroad rail affixed to the rear crossmember for added weight. His brother, my uncle Pat had a 1200 2wd crew cab that went everywhere. I didn't realize until years later that it was a 2wd. He replaced that truck when my great aunt refused to ride in it any more because it was too rusty. The Ford 4wd he bought lasted maybe 2 years but got stuck several times. Uncle Pat got sick about that time so it was sold but he swore he'd get the IH back and fix the rust since it was a much better truck. -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:19:12 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Oct 24 14:01:12 2005 Received: from eq1.spamarrest.com ([66.150.163.134]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.52) id 1EU2sy-Bv-PQ for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:01:12 + Received: from m15 (eq2.spamarrest.com [66.150.163.135]) by eq1.spamarrest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBA960C16B; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Levitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spam Arrest WebMail (http://www.spamarrest.com/) X-Originating-IP: [130.57.22.69] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-SA-GROUP: X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [MBZ] newbie questions X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:01:13 - X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:01:13 - Clay writes: Best additive is Italian Tune Up and Biodiesel. If you have injector issues, use Diesel Purge once a year. Thanks. On your recommendation, I bought a case of Italian Tune Up on ebay, haven't received it yet. The biodiesel I'll make myself. Already have a supplier lined up (good local Chinese restaurant...), and I think I'm their first... Lee
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
The Nissan diesel was available for many years. Diesel Scouts are getting rare because of the high repair costs, combined with diesel ignorance. Most of the remaining Diesels have been converted to gas 345 v-8. One of the nice things about IH Scouts and pickups is that any drivetrain option can be converted to any other drivetrain option with factory parts. A 2wd 304 auto pickup can be converted to a 392 4barrel, 4 speed 4wd but unbolting and bolting on the new parts. For more information, the ultimate source is www.scoutconnection.com Actually, though this is true for most cases, some WERE a bit more difficult than others. All of the straight axle IH's are a pretty easy conversion to any other straight axle, and any 2WD can be bolted out to a 4WD quite easily, relatively speaking. However, IH had some IFS trucks as well, and these, though the engine and tranny can get in there quite easily, converting the front end is tougher. There are some variations in the frame, as well as some differing locayions of mount bolting holes, etc. Also, the outsider engines can be a bit trickier to work back and forth with-namely the fore-mentioned nissan diesels and the AMC engines (232, 258, 401) that were used in some models. Also, the IH slant 4 which was, almost literally, one of their V8's chopped in half, and thus, had similar mounts and components, did have a different mounting angle-special intake manifold and bell housing unit required to swap one of these for a V8 in either direction. Even better for TONS of info on these is Binderbulletin.org-pretty much the definitive IH web page-will have links to others, but this seems to be the grandaddy. Michael
Re: [MBZ] PHX E55......
Hi Chuck, Oddly, the W210 E55 AMG is no faster than my W124 E500, despite being an official 'AMG' model. It also doesn't sport the flared fenders that make the original really stand out from the plethora of other 124's. The plain-Jane W210's could easily mimic the E55 with little more than different wheels! The one advantage to the E55 is that there is a bolt-on supercharger kit for the M113 engine. Nothing similar exists for my old-school M119 (except a NOS kit, which I admit I have thought about!) Anyway, I've heard enough bad things about the W210 chassis to scare me away from it. Now, the new W211 E55 AMG (2004-up) with the factory supercharged, intercooled, near-500hp powertrain off the showroom floor... THAT thing is *stupid* fast. And there's a station wagon (estate) version! Mmmm Alas, all are far out of reach of my wallet as well. =) -dm -- Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:36:18 -0700 From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] PHX E55.. From Craigslist.. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/105413137.html Dave M.. You ready for the next upgrade from your E500??? It's certainly not in my wallet Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ
[MBZ] Quick Question
How long will my wagon run WITHOUT the main cooling fan before an irreversible problem develops? Until the thermostat opens or a while afterwords? Tim 1982 300TD Moby
[MBZ] 240D oil pressure wackiness
It was about 35 degrees this morning. 240D (with goopy mixture of Kero/D2/oil/etc) started on the third crank. Ran fine, as always. After about 15 minutes of driving, I noticed that the oil pressure was not at 45...and that it was flopping all over. Up, down...up when slowing down, up when idling, up when accelerating, down when accelerating - all over the place with little rhyme or reason. Pulled over and checked the oil level with the car running - it was over high. I have not added any oil since the last oil change. It doesn't leak at all, nor does it burn, that I know of (M1 15W-50, BTW). Oil was black and did not notice or smell anything like coolant (will check that later once all has cooled down). Will also check engine oil level later once all has cooled down. Got to work and in neutral, did get rhyme or reason out of it. At idle it would hang around 20 or so...but I would have to get it to 3,000 rpm or so (guess, no tach) before it would peg 45. At least this was consistant. Question: What might be going on? If it were the oil pump in the engine acting that crazy (i.e. BROKEN), would I be able to tell by how the engine ran? Has my oil pressure guage gone goofy? Thanks for any ideas. Chris, perhaps loosing his experimental vehicle... Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
[MBZ] 240D oil pressure wackiness
seems like the list is down, which means you'll get this in time to disregard my previous post. After sitting for 4 hours, I checked the oil level (coolant was fine) - NOTHING. So I added 3 qrts (2 probably would have been better) and now everything is back to normal. DH (as Homer would say). No excuse, but not having a working odometer probably contributed to my lack of oversight. It obviously does burn oil. Will need to watch that much more carefully. Are there any maintenance issues that would improve burning oil? Oil Pressure is good, compression is not great...what is the cause? worn rings? Anything a healthy dose of Diesel Purge might fix? How about a 3,000 highway run on M1 to break crud up on the rings and help them reseat? This car sat in MN FOREVER and I have only driven it around town and local highways. At first it would not start under 40, let alone at near freezing on my special sauce (alternative fuel) Again, thanks for bearaing with my more or less dumb questions. Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[MBZ] How long do engine mounts usually survive?
It has been pointed out to me a few times that engine mounts can cause apparent engine vibration. How long do they usually last? I think the ones in my 91 300D 2.5t are about 70k miles old. I would have thought they would still be good, but Thanks. Kevin
[MBZ] Tech Info about Past MBs - up to 16 Yrs. Ago
http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/overview/index.jsp?persist=false
Hi There -
I had requested a brochure for a 93 300D I was hoping to buy - made a
request thru MB and was told they no longer provide brochures. However,
Tech Info for models made over the past 16 years is available at the above
link -- includes production numbers and orig retail price - and etc.
Enjoy -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
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http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info
Re: [MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco today
On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 06:59:40PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: You're asking this question about CALIFORNIA, remember. They're our national laboratory for bad liberal legislation. (Texas is our national lab for bad conservative legislation.) HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH So true. K
Re: [MBZ] PHX Craigslist '83 SD
On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 09:31:29AM -0700, Chuck Landenberger wrote: This guy's been too close to the exhaust pipe.. will pay for it self in fuel savings alone!!! Wants $8,800.. hahahaha! as Kaleb would say.!!! Naw, he'd probably say something like BZZT, WRONG :) K
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Auto Transmission CD
On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 01:45:39PM -0400, Marshall Booth wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While searching for the bushing for my Auto Tranny shift control rod, I came across this $5 CD offer - for people doing work on their ATs it may be something useful. The cost of the CD is refundable with an order. http://www.jie.com/CD/CD_Page.htm Why should a ZF parts CD be useful for people working on Mercedes transmissions? At least for the automatics, some of my rambler service manuals would be or more use, since the mercedes automatics were based off the heavier duty borg warner automatics... K
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
I have seen them on 82 and up, but have no idea what its for. So I guess I am no help. Steve MacSween wrote: Inspecting one of my '82 240Ds today, I realized it has a flap in its inlet like a throttle plate, actuated from rods from the go pedal linkage. I remember discussion of this a while back but I paid no attention as I thought I read it was on w115 240Ds only. Can anyone explain why it's there and what it does? The other car seems to have had one, at least part of the linkage for one is there (and it's the same year), but no longer does. Thanks Mac Aylmer, Quebec '60 220s / '82 240d (x2) / '82 300sd '75 Volvo 164e ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD shifter ??
the bushings need to be replaced. Henry Kolesnik wrote: With about 119,000 miles I have noticed a sort of clicking noise coming from the shifter when in drive. I don't have the problem in drive. Any tips or hints appreciated. tnx 73 Hank WD5JFR ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
