Re: [MBZ] AC oil question

[Jim Cathey]

It begs the question, though: "an extra 40cc" in addition to what?


In addition to whatever oil quantity is called for when replacing
a component of the AC system.  (There's a table of items and oil
quantities.)  For a completely dry system, of course, there's also
the total quantity that you're supposed to have in it, in which case
you disregard all those other numbers.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 190d

[Jim Cathey]

Look out for RUST. Jack sockets are usually the first place to go. Look
at the lower support for the radiator too.


Mine also has rot starting in one wheel arch, and the bottom of one of
the doors looks pretty bad too.  Not impressive, this thing seems to
be nearly as pervious as a 115!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] blower fan wiring upgrade?

[Levi Smith]

Aww shoot, can't believe I forgot that!
83' 300D.

THANKS!
Levi (:

On 7/1/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


psst!

   can we have a hint what kind of car are we talking about?


cheers!
e


> Has anyone done the wiring upgrade for the blower fan to allow a higher
> amp
> fuse?
>
> I tried a 15amp self-resetting circuit breaker today.  I was hoping 1
less
> amp wouldn't be noticed much and if I did pop it, I would just get it
back
> shortly.  Well, apparently that one less amp is pretty crucial.  I
> couldn't
> even get regular AC to work for long, let alone max fan.
>
> I'm wondering what all has to be upgraded, and where.  Do I have to pull
> apart the passenger dash panel underneath to get to the motor?  And do I
> have to replace wires out to the resistors in the right front engine bay
> and
> to the fuse box and/or elsewhere?
>
> If it is that complicated, I'm tempted to just run a new wire/fuse and
> switch for max fan and I could just turn it on independant of that the
> climate control was thinking...  (and without blowing the fuse...)
>
> Thanks!
> Levi
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Re: [MBZ] blower fan wiring upgrade?

[ernest breakfield]

psst!

   can we have a hint what kind of car are we talking about?


cheers!
e


> Has anyone done the wiring upgrade for the blower fan to allow a higher
> amp
> fuse?
>
> I tried a 15amp self-resetting circuit breaker today.  I was hoping 1 less
> amp wouldn't be noticed much and if I did pop it, I would just get it back
> shortly.  Well, apparently that one less amp is pretty crucial.  I
> couldn't
> even get regular AC to work for long, let alone max fan.
>
> I'm wondering what all has to be upgraded, and where.  Do I have to pull
> apart the passenger dash panel underneath to get to the motor?  And do I
> have to replace wires out to the resistors in the right front engine bay
> and
> to the fuse box and/or elsewhere?
>
> If it is that complicated, I'm tempted to just run a new wire/fuse and
> switch for max fan and I could just turn it on independant of that the
> climate control was thinking...  (and without blowing the fuse...)
>
> Thanks!
> Levi
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[MBZ] blower fan wiring upgrade?

[Levi Smith]

Has anyone done the wiring upgrade for the blower fan to allow a higher amp
fuse?

I tried a 15amp self-resetting circuit breaker today.  I was hoping 1 less
amp wouldn't be noticed much and if I did pop it, I would just get it back
shortly.  Well, apparently that one less amp is pretty crucial.  I couldn't
even get regular AC to work for long, let alone max fan.

I'm wondering what all has to be upgraded, and where.  Do I have to pull
apart the passenger dash panel underneath to get to the motor?  And do I
have to replace wires out to the resistors in the right front engine bay and
to the fuse box and/or elsewhere?

If it is that complicated, I'm tempted to just run a new wire/fuse and
switch for max fan and I could just turn it on independant of that the
climate control was thinking...  (and without blowing the fuse...)

Thanks!
Levi

Re: [MBZ] 190d

[Marshall Booth]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190D-Diesel-1988-MERCEDES-BENZ-190D-2-5-DIESEL-SUNROOF-AC-L-K_W0QQitemZ170003735825QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Look out for RUST. Jack sockets are usually the first place to go. Look 
at the lower support for the radiator too.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...

[Marshall Booth]

Craig McCluskey wrote:

Marshall, et al. back east,

You guys doing all right? I've seen pictures of LOTS of flooding.


While we had many inches of rain in western PA, the serious rain was 
considerably east of us.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] AC oil question

[Marshall Booth]

Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:34:32 -0700 Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wasn't somebody asking about how much oil to put in if there
was a sudden discharge?  I was perusing the 201 manual and found
a note that said an extra 40cc was to be added in that case.  (vs
20cc for a slow leak.)  83-520



It was I. Thank you for the info.

It begs the question, though: "an extra 40cc" in addition to what?


The "extra" is added to the oil that didn't come out when the system was 
discharged. Even if you open the system to air, MOST of the oil will 
remain in various places (evaporator, dryer, compressor, etc.) within 
the system.


Most compressors used to come NEW with the proper quantity of oil in 
them (not sure about now when there are different oils used depending on 
which refrigerant is used). If you wanted to change oil, you were to 
remove the oil, measure it and install the same amount of new/fresh oil. 
When the system is vented, different amounts of oil will escape 
depending on whether it's a slow of FAST leak. Oil that does escape 
should be replaced, but too much oil REALLY decreases cooling capacity 
and too little results in rapid or even catastrophic compressor wear.


I'm told that MOST systems that are serviced by people not really 
skilled at AC work will be a little to a lot overcharged with oil (so 
cooling will be much less than optimal).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Juice

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Larry-IIRC the answer is no. I asked about it for mine.  Marshall said
any MB spec  PS fluid would work-I haven't checked specs.  I used the
expensive Febi stuff from Rusty. I will look for the post and send it to
you off line. 
I stand corrected, all.
Dwight

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 6:50 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Juice


If I knew how to search the archives or if my memory were better I
wouldn't 
have to bother you with this - is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable for use in the 
power steering?  It's for my 91 300D 2.5T W124

TIA -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:54:33 -0400 "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I could *swear* someone is watching and saying, "OK here comes  Larry -
> let's see what he buys and stop stocking it."

My Dad had a similar saying in the '60s about television programs he liked
to watch. That and that there was a huge light way up in the sky that lit
up when we sat down to dinner. Frequently, we'd sit down to dinner and one
of his patients (he was a pediatrician) would call.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

We're OK here in RI-it went south of us.  Eastern PA is a mess-not quite
as bad as Agnes in 72. Some damage south of Albany along the
Delaware-e.g. I88 was washed out and two truckers killed. The creek
sliced right through all 4 lanes.
Finally dried out here today.
Thanks for asking. 


Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:58 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...


Good up here on the hills but friends South of us in Tioga county are in
the 
worst shape they have been in since Agnes in 72.

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...


> Fred would be one to ask, Dwight and John Peterson if they're on the 
> list
> still too. I live in hill country, no flooding up here although most 
> everybody's lawn is still squishy...
>  I didn't get to ride my motorcycle ONCE in the month of June, it
rained 
> nearly every day.
>
>  -Curt
>
>  Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:29:40 -0600
> From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Rains back east ...
> To: mercedes 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Marshall, et al. back east,
>
> You guys doing all right? I've seen pictures of LOTS of flooding.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] AC oil question

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:34:32 -0700 Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wasn't somebody asking about how much oil to put in if there
> was a sudden discharge?  I was perusing the 201 manual and found
> a note that said an extra 40cc was to be added in that case.  (vs
> 20cc for a slow leak.)  83-520


It was I. Thank you for the info.

It begs the question, though: "an extra 40cc" in addition to what?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 107--450SL, 560SL

[Barry Stark]

Minor update to Jim's post...the '81 380SLs had the dreaded Chrysler servo
as well.

Barry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 107--450SL, 560SL


The years that come with the Evil Chrysler ACC From Hell are
IIRC 77-80, so beware of them as they may easily need a kilobuck
repair/upgrade to the servo system (and its amplifier).

Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1

[OK Don]

Same thing happens to us - mostly in Albertson's -- good, healthy food itms.

"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they're not out to get you."


 I could *swear* someone is watching and saying, "OK here comes

Larry - let's see what he buys and stop stocking it."  But that might be
paranoid.  ;-\

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)


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exhausted all the alternatives."
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Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1

[LarryT]

Sounds very logical.  But where I live there are few high performance 
foreign cars.  This is one of the places you'd call a Ford Pick-em-up area. 
A few weeks ago I bought 15W50 in W'mart - had to search behind the 
bottles/jugs of 10W30 to find them but they were there.  Yesterday I looked 
and there weren't *any* 15W50 M1 jugs or bottles.  Then again, I've never 
been impressed with the stocking procedures used by wmart - I am on a low 
carb diet and finding stuff edible with very low carbs take some hunting. 
found some snacks that were great - but after a month or so their stock ran 
out and it hasn't been resupplied.  This has happened on 4 or 5 different 
products.  I could *swear* someone is watching and saying, "OK here comes 
Larry - let's see what he buys and stop stocking it."  But that might be 
paranoid.  ;-\


Same with the oil - my MBs and 911 all need 15W50 - so today I'll check with 
Pepboys.  Maybe I'll wear a disguise so they won't know it's me.  ;-)


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1



availability depends largely on the area.  see, as sick as this sounds to
you, stores don't discriminate inventory based on the customer base. I
worked in retail years ago at a department store with a fairly affluent
clientelle.  this chain also had stores with much poorer customers. as a
general rule, the poor stores sold a very high percentage of $59 cookware
sets and the store  i was at sold every $800 cookware set within 2 days of
receipt.  the poor area stores couldn't sell an $800 cookware set to save
their lives.  consequently, we always had tons of $59 cookware sets and 
they

always had tons of $800 sets.   no one was happy!

here on the north side of atlanta you simply CANNOT find the 15w50 at
walmart because of the all the euro cars.  basically, if anyone dunwoody 
or

alpharetta sees 15w50, he just grabs it all and runs.  all that is left is
the lightweight oil.

so the answer is to go out where everyone drives modern ford pickemup 
trucks

that use super light oil.  those walmarts will have no 5w30, but lots of
15W50.

simple, no?




On 6/30/06, Smith, Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The information that I received when I contacted them was to use the
online stores.  The following are sites that they gave me to try.  The 
first

looked like they had a good price on case lots.

http://www.avlube.com
http://www.autobarn.com
http://www.eliteetc.com/momooil.html
http://www.mscdirect.com/

When I drove to my nearest Autozone, they didn't have any in stock and
didn't think that they could get any Delvac 1 or Turbo Diesel Truck. 
They

did have Delvac 1300 which is normal oil as far as I know.

Todd Smith  '85 300cd 248k


   -Original Message-
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   Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 4:29 PM
   To: Mercedes Discussion List
   Cc:
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1



   I sent a note to Mobil/Exxon about poor availabilty of their 
oils -

this was
   their reply:
   <>>


   Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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   .
   - Original Message -
   From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   To: 
   Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:28 AM
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1


   > Dave,
   >  If I had somewhere to put the big jug of Amsoil I'd be into 
that

too.
   >  My best luck lately has been with AutoZone. Most of the
employees there
   > are idiots but I hit it just right the other day and got a guy
interesting
   > in actually selling something who will ensure that if I call on
Monday
   > looking for Mobil 1 the amount I want will be there Friday
afternoon after
   > work. Based on Marshall's interpretation of my oil analysis
results I
   > won't have to actually try this out for 6 months or so. Hope the
guy still
   > works there then...
   >
   >  -Curt
   >
   >   Original Message 
   > Subject: I give up on Mobil-1
   > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:42:40 -0400
   > From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   > To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   >
   > While running errands today I stopped in a 2 Wallmarts and 2
Advance
   > Auto stores and NONE of them had ANY Mobil-1 0W-40, 15W-50 OR
5W-40.
   > As much as I know you guys out there like Mob

Re: [MBZ] OT: hitches

[Jim Cathey]

I'm not familiar with a Farmall 2-point hitch, though my Iseki has an
interesting 4-point hitch.  Three point is a real bitch to use if the
implement is big and imobile; think rototiller or harrow, etc.  But, 
if the

tractor has adjustable quick release lower arms, it's a real cinch.


The 2-point hitch has a fixed-distance pair of sockets at the back,
into which various implements are put.  (Including a drawbar.)
When the prongs of the implement are rammed into place, by backing
the tractor onto them usually, two cam locks snap down trapping
the implement.  Then you lift and drive off, you never leave the
seat.  There is a hook on a handle that you can unclip from the
console area that you reach down with to yank the cam releases
when removing an implement.  Then you just lower and drive off.
Obviously PTO implements require a bit more work!

Via the hydraulics, the hitch can be raised and lowered, and its
fore-aft and left-right tilt can be adjusted.  Besides being handy
for initial coupling on irregular ground (and ain't it all?), the
adjustability is a necessity for operating things like a plow.  It's
a really slick system, and makes that Ford 3-point look like the
cheap nasty POS that it is.

Our Farmall 200 has this system, somehow I thought they all had it.

Between this hitch system and backing trailers all over the place,
I got _really_ good at backing up when I was a kid.  (I loved being
able to hit the hitch prongs on the first shot, the faster the better.)
I still have vestiges of this talent, IMHO.  At least, when backing the
car trailer I often get where I want to be with no particular 
difficulty.

Gone, probably, is any talent I had for clearing fencelines using the
sickle-bar mower.  The game there was to get as much grass as you
could without hitting a fence post.  It's a bit weird, because the end
of the sickle bar traces something of an epicycloid path as you weave
in and out.  The Farmall's tricycle gear made it a particularly
maneuverable beast, I really liked that tractor.  Too bad one would
be a useless deathtrap where I live now.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] AC oil question

[Jim Cathey]

trying to figure out how to add oil to my system.  It says to fill the
various components in the system, but doesn't indicate how one is to
actually accomplish these tasks.  My system has no oil whatsoever, so I
gather I'm supposed to fill the compressor and dryer, but it also 
mentions

the evaporator; how do you fill the evaporator?  How do you fill the
compressor?


You just pour it in a handy hole.  There's no point in putting it in
anything but the compressor, unless it won't hold it all.  (In which
case pour some into any handy component.)  The oil will distribute
itself very quickly, as it's soluble in the refrigerant.  The oil
quantities specified for the various components only represent the
amount of distributed oil that resides (at equilibrium) in those
components.  Except for the compressor, and to a lesser extent the
expansion valve, the oil is a useless component.  The total fill
quantity is calculated to result in the correct amount residing
in the compressor, at equilibrium.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1

[LT Don]

Found the Mobil 1 15W-50 Ext. today in the WalMart in Carroll IA. I cleaned
out the supply on the shelf (7 quarts). Who knows how much longer they will
be offering it?

I also noticed that they have stopped carrying most computer stuff. They did
offer a couple of cordless mice and keyboards plus some blank DVD-Rs (no
CD-Rs or CD-RWs any longer) and a couple of printers. They also had two
different routers for sale. Beyond that, the shelves had been reallocated to
video game stuff. Used to be you could pick up a CD Writer and stuff like
that, but apparently no more.

On 7/1/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've never seen a Wal-Mart that didn't have gallons upon gallons of 5w30
and 10w30 but rarely do I ever see any amount of 15w50 or any other useful
weight.







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Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...

[Levi Smith]

Looks like most of the real flooding close to me was about hour East of
here...

Levi in Corning, NY

On 7/1/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Marshall, et al. back east,

You guys doing all right? I've seen pictures of LOTS of flooding.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...

[Mike Canfield]

Good up here on the hills but friends South of us in Tioga county are in the 
worst shape they have been in since Agnes in 72.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...


Fred would be one to ask, Dwight and John Peterson if they're on the list 
still too. I live in hill country, no flooding up here although most 
everybody's lawn is still squishy...
 I didn't get to ride my motorcycle ONCE in the month of June, it rained 
nearly every day.


 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:29:40 -0600
From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Rains back east ...
To: mercedes 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Marshall, et al. back east,

You guys doing all right? I've seen pictures of LOTS of flooding.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...

[John Berryman]

On Jul 1, 2006, at 1:29 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote:


Marshall, et al. back east,

You guys doing all right? I've seen pictures of LOTS of flooding.


Craig


	I'm once again on stand-by with FEMA to work  the East Coast floods.  
No problem in my home town but there are Federally declared disasters  
in at least 6 States right now.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 190d

[John Berryman]

On Jun 30, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190D- 
Diesel-1988-MERCEDES-BENZ-190D-2-5-DIESEL-SUNROOF-AC-L- 
K_W0QQitemZ170003735825QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Looks just like our 190D Euro, except for the interior and wheels.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure

[Curt Raymond]

Not yet, but my bushhog is on its last legs, when it fails entirely I'll get a 
3pt conversion kit and a 3pt bushhog. It'd be some nice to be able to raise the 
bushhog without having to get off the tractor...
   
  IH didn't go to the 3pt until the 60's I believe...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:18:55 -0700
From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey, does your tractor have a 3 point hitch?  IIRC, Farmall was a bit 
late
to climb on board with Harry Ferguson's universal hitch set up.

[former owner of a '44 Ford 2N w/3 point hitch and a sludgy oil sump]

On 6/28/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Clogged pickup screens are pretty common on old tractors that had 
been run
> for years with non-detergent oil, any dirt or crud that got into the 
engine
> settled into the oil pan.
>   Common practice when switching to detergent oil is to drop the pan 
and
> scrape the crud out. Guess what I need to do on my tractor this fall?
>
>   -Curt
>   '52 Farmall Super M
>
>
>
Casey
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I've never seen a Wal-Mart that didn't have gallons upon gallons of 5w30 and 
10w30 but rarely do I ever see any amount of 15w50 or any other useful weight.
   
  I have a cousin that manages the sporting goods department at a Wal-Mart in 
Maine. He tells how when he started they were in a bad way because theres not a 
tremendous amount of bass fishing in Maine and bass gear is absolutely no good 
for trout. It apparently took him YEARS to convince home office that sending 
him a stack of bass stuff was only going to result in him sending most of it 
back but in the winter time they could send him icefishing stuff because that 
would move.
  Apparently in more recent years this has gotten to be a whole lot less of an 
issue. Wal-Mart is known for being the ultimate make a buck retailer so it 
surprises me that they would do something that foolish, but you never can tell, 
it could have been a regional guy or something...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:53:36 -0400
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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availability depends largely on the area.  see, as sick as this sounds 
to
you, stores don't discriminate inventory based on the customer base. I
worked in retail years ago at a department store with a fairly affluent
clientelle.  this chain also had stores with much poorer customers. as 
a
general rule, the poor stores sold a very high percentage of $59 
cookware
sets and the store  i was at sold every $800 cookware set within 2 days 
of
receipt.  the poor area stores couldn't sell an $800 cookware set to 
save
their lives.  consequently, we always had tons of $59 cookware sets and 
they
always had tons of $800 sets.   no one was happy!

here on the north side of atlanta you simply CANNOT find the 15w50 at
walmart because of the all the euro cars.  basically, if anyone 
dunwoody or
alpharetta sees 15w50, he just grabs it all and runs.  all that is left 
is
the lightweight oil

Re: [MBZ] AC oil question

[Zeitgeist]

While we're on the subject, I've been checking the 124 manual, desperately
trying to figure out how to add oil to my system.  It says to fill the
various components in the system, but doesn't indicate how one is to
actually accomplish these tasks.  My system has no oil whatsoever, so I
gather I'm supposed to fill the compressor and dryer, but it also mentions
the evaporator; how do you fill the evaporator?  How do you fill the
compressor?

Still working on a system to liberate my isobutane cannisters

On 7/1/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wasn't somebody asking about how much oil to put in if there
was a sudden discharge?  I was perusing the 201 manual and found
a note that said an extra 40cc was to be added in that case.  (vs
20cc for a slow leak.)  83-520



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Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] SD TRANS QUESTION

[John Berryman]

On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Dan Weeks wrote:


Also, I have recently noticed that the shifter sometimes will not go
past N into R or P. Worn shifter bushings? Could there be a
connection?

Thanks, all.

Dan


Yes, the linkage can cause shift problems. Look there first.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] AC oil question

[Jim Cathey]

Wasn't somebody asking about how much oil to put in if there
was a sudden discharge?  I was perusing the 201 manual and found
a note that said an extra 40cc was to be added in that case.  (vs
20cc for a slow leak.)  83-520

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Chicago politics

[mykd1]

Living less than 2 hours from Chicago it amazes me with how many of the "bad 
elements" we get from that town. Can't count the many times I changed the 
channels when I hear news about it. The whole city makes me sick with the 
corruption and bs that comes from there. Honestly I don't believe there has 
ever been one honest living or dead politition in office. They're all money 
grubbing scum 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:48:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicago politics


>  OTOH, if the
> people of Chicago (both dead and alive) keep voting for the Daley
> family, they get what they deserve.

The quote for election day in Chicago is "Vote early and vote often."

A LOT of hobbyist aviators were pissed about Miegs Field. So were a lot of 
execs. It was very convenient to fly into downtown in your companys private 
jet, and take a ten minute ride to where you needed to be.
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

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[MBZ] Rains back east ...

[Craig McCluskey]

Marshall, et al. back east,

You guys doing all right? I've seen pictures of LOTS of flooding.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 190d

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:55:38 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190D-Diesel-1988-MERCEDES-BENZ-190D-2-5-DIESEL-SUNROOF-AC-L-K_W0QQitemZ170003735825QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


It looks great, though there are no close-ups of potential rust trouble
spots. With 219 kmi, I can't believe that it wasn't driven in a rust-belt
winter.

In addition, his feedback is rather checkered.

Interesting, though, he has no reserve.

Anyone near by to take a look at it?


Craig

[MBZ] 190d

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1

[Scott Ritchey]

Sounds logical but ... I called and/or visited the Wal-Mart stores here
(north of Raleigh NC) and they never got any M1 5W40.

Scott Ritchey
Kittrell NC
1982 300SD 220K
1979 300TD 350K

--

Gary Hurst write ...
so the answer is to go out where everyone drives modern ford pickemup trucks
that use super light oil.  those walmarts will have no 5w30, but lots of
15W50.

simple, no?




On 6/30/06, Smith, Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The information that I received when I contacted them was to use the
> online stores.  The following are sites that they gave me to try.  The
first
> looked like they had a good price on case lots.
>
> http://www.avlube.com
> http://www.autobarn.com
> http://www.eliteetc.com/momooil.html
> http://www.mscdirect.com/
>
> When I drove to my nearest Autozone, they didn't have any in stock and
> didn't think that they could get any Delvac 1 or Turbo Diesel Truck.  They
> did have Delvac 1300 which is normal oil as far as I know.
>
> Todd Smith  '85 300cd 248k
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of LarryT
>Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 4:29 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Cc:
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1
>
>
>
>I sent a note to Mobil/Exxon about poor availabilty of their oils -
> this was
>their reply:
><
>You can contact Mobil at 1-800-662-4525 option1 and we can
> locate
>Mobil Distributor's for you. Mobil hates to see consumer's switch
> over
>to other brands due to product availability. You can also check
> with
>Autozones, Pep Boys, CSK stores, O'Reilley's and online at
> www.avlube.com.
>
>--
>Thank you for choosing ExxonMobil products.
>If you need further assistance, please contact ExxonMobil at
>1-800-ASK-MOBIL>>>
>
>
>Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
>.
>- Original Message -
>From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1
>
>
>> Dave,
>>  If I had somewhere to put the big jug of Amsoil I'd be into that
> too.
>>  My best luck lately has been with AutoZone. Most of the
> employees there
>> are idiots but I hit it just right the other day and got a guy
> interesting
>> in actually selling something who will ensure that if I call on
> Monday
>> looking for Mobil 1 the amount I want will be there Friday
> afternoon after
>> work. Based on Marshall's interpretation of my oil analysis
> results I
>> won't have to actually try this out for 6 months or so. Hope the
> guy still
>> works there then...
>>
>>  -Curt
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: I give up on Mobil-1
>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:42:40 -0400
>> From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> While running errands today I stopped in a 2 Wallmarts and 2
> Advance
>> Auto stores and NONE of them had ANY Mobil-1 0W-40, 15W-50 OR
> 5W-40.
>> As much as I know you guys out there like Mobil-1, it just is not
>> worth my effort any more.
>> So I go over to the Amsoil site and see a selection of synthetics
> to
>> choose from. Given my current mood, I'm inclined to buy a 30
> gallon
>> jug and be done with it and let Mobil rot in hell where they
> belong.
>>
>> Does anyone have a recommendation as to which Amsoil is "best"?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -Dave Walton
>> 94S350, 99E300
>>
>>
>>
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[MBZ] Vacuum Pump Driver & Injection Timer

[ned kleinhenz]

Ha Ha Ha.
My new injection timing device arrived from Rusty, today.  Now I got my
answer about the possibility of changing out just the vacuum pump driver
cam.  It would be impossible.  This whole timing device is a single piece.
The vacuum cam is cast or sintered right into the timing gear. I don't even
see how the centrifugal weight mechanism could be removed.  Guess I'm about
to learn a lot about FI pump removals and setting FI timing.

Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D

Re: [MBZ] Chicago politics

[Rick Knoble]

 OTOH, if the
people of Chicago (both dead and alive) keep voting for the Daley
family, they get what they deserve.


The quote for election day in Chicago is "Vote early and vote often."

A LOT of hobbyist aviators were pissed about Miegs Field. So were a lot of 
execs. It was very convenient to fly into downtown in your companys private 
jet, and take a ten minute ride to where you needed to be.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

Re: [MBZ] 107--450SL, 560SL

[OK Don]

Jim Cathy is right on -
Here's a web site with the Road and Track article that says the same
thing, in a round-about way:

http://fly.hiwaay.net/~gbf/107/rt.html


--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] 107--450SL, 560SL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo

Rhonald Angelo wrote:

Listers, a woman I know, called me last night, and she has interest in a 
roadster.  I am short on time here.  Can somone give a brief overview on the 
roadsters, or where I can send her to research, meaning which years to look 
for, what to avoid, the major problems, etc., I know about the rubber parts, 
and prone to rust in the trunk areas.  I thought I was on the SL list, but 
maybe not, and I cannot find the link for it.


thanks in advance
rhonald
1985 300D
290,000 miles
black/palomino
Washington, DC



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Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:
I may be wrong but I believe Castrol Syntec is a blend.  That's probably why 
Marshall had less than stellar performance.


And Mobil 1 is from full Synthetic base stock.


The Castrol Syntec 5W-50 I used some 6+ years ago was a group III 
(hydrocracked) oil. To achieve the broad viscosity range they had to use 
substantial viscosity improver (VI). After 2-3kmi of diesel service, the 
VI deteriorated (creating sludge) and the viscosity and lubricity 
dropped and oil consumption skyrocketed. Really unacceptable. I can't 
comment about the present Syntec oils, but almost all group III oils 
need some viscosity improver to compete with group IV or IV/V oils. The 
use of viscosity improvers drastically reduce the stability of any oil 
and such oil deteriorates rapidly especially when subjected to high 
shear forces. If you choose to use group III "synthetic" oils expect to 
change them frequently - probably every 3kmi.


Mobil (and Amsoil) doesn't use viscosity improvers in their group IV or 
IV/V oils.


Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[Mitch Haley]

Oops, I just followed my own link to the FAQ and discovered that German Castrol
is 0W30. It's got great film strength, but I wonder if it might be a bit thin
for the 16v and 500E. I guess you could try it and see what your hot idle
pressure is like. BTW, in the other thread about Walmart diesel oil, I've
used their 15W-40 in my 300SD and gotten hot idle pressure in the 1.5-2 bar
range.

Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[Mitch Haley]

LarryT wrote:
> 
> I may be wrong but I believe Castrol Syntec is a blend.  That's probably why
> Marshall had less than stellar performance.
> 

There is Syntec "full" synthetic and Syntec "blend". One sells for a touch
under M1, the other for 2x dino prices.  Castrol was the company that started
the whole "synthetic is just a marketing term" fiasco where they started selling
hydrotreated dino as synthetic. I haven't bought any fluid with the word Castrol
on the bottle since. It was my favorite brake fluid up until then. 

To answer Chuck's original question, if you are paying for synthetic and
Castrol is what's readily available, make sure you get the GC stuff, which
may be superior to Mobil One. That said, pigs will take flight before I
buy any, no matter how good it might be. 
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=51

Re: [MBZ] Chicago politics

[Mitch Haley]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=21104
> >
> 
> I'm sure some in the general aviation community would consider that
> poetic justice.
> 

Too bad it the taxpaying sheep that get fleeced all around. Not like
Daley will ever pay for his sins with his own cash. OTOH, if the
people of Chicago (both dead and alive) keep voting for the Daley
family, they get what they deserve.

Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...

[LarryT]

I may be wrong but I believe Castrol Syntec is a blend.  That's probably why 
Marshall had less than stellar performance.


And Mobil 1 is from full Synthetic base stock.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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.
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Collective Oil Wisdom, Pls...



Curt Raymond wrote:
Since I'm on digest Marshall has undoubtably already posted the Syntec is 
a group III oil and not to be trusted for extended change durations.


  I'd just like to note that I paid $38 for a 6 bottle case of Mobil 1 
15w50 at AutoZone... I didn't get a price on Syntec but its usually more 
like $4qt.


I used Syntec for more than a year. It needed to be changed at 3kmi
intervals as the VIs broke down creating sludge and lubricity dropped,
FAR inferior to Mobil 1. Under the same operating conditions Mobil 1 is
still fine after 10kmi.

You can do as you like.

Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

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Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1

[Gary Hurst]

availability depends largely on the area.  see, as sick as this sounds to
you, stores don't discriminate inventory based on the customer base. I
worked in retail years ago at a department store with a fairly affluent
clientelle.  this chain also had stores with much poorer customers. as a
general rule, the poor stores sold a very high percentage of $59 cookware
sets and the store  i was at sold every $800 cookware set within 2 days of
receipt.  the poor area stores couldn't sell an $800 cookware set to save
their lives.  consequently, we always had tons of $59 cookware sets and they
always had tons of $800 sets.   no one was happy!

here on the north side of atlanta you simply CANNOT find the 15w50 at
walmart because of the all the euro cars.  basically, if anyone dunwoody or
alpharetta sees 15w50, he just grabs it all and runs.  all that is left is
the lightweight oil.

so the answer is to go out where everyone drives modern ford pickemup trucks
that use super light oil.  those walmarts will have no 5w30, but lots of
15W50.

simple, no?




On 6/30/06, Smith, Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The information that I received when I contacted them was to use the
online stores.  The following are sites that they gave me to try.  The first
looked like they had a good price on case lots.

http://www.avlube.com
http://www.autobarn.com
http://www.eliteetc.com/momooil.html
http://www.mscdirect.com/

When I drove to my nearest Autozone, they didn't have any in stock and
didn't think that they could get any Delvac 1 or Turbo Diesel Truck.  They
did have Delvac 1300 which is normal oil as far as I know.

Todd Smith  '85 300cd 248k


   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of LarryT
   Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 4:29 PM
   To: Mercedes Discussion List
   Cc:
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1



   I sent a note to Mobil/Exxon about poor availabilty of their oils -
this was
   their reply:
   <>>


   Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
   www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
   Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
   Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
   Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
   .
   - Original Message -
   From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   To: 
   Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:28 AM
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] I give up on Mobil-1


   > Dave,
   >  If I had somewhere to put the big jug of Amsoil I'd be into that
too.
   >  My best luck lately has been with AutoZone. Most of the
employees there
   > are idiots but I hit it just right the other day and got a guy
interesting
   > in actually selling something who will ensure that if I call on
Monday
   > looking for Mobil 1 the amount I want will be there Friday
afternoon after
   > work. Based on Marshall's interpretation of my oil analysis
results I
   > won't have to actually try this out for 6 months or so. Hope the
guy still
   > works there then...
   >
   >  -Curt
   >
   >   Original Message 
   > Subject: I give up on Mobil-1
   > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:42:40 -0400
   > From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   > To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   >
   > While running errands today I stopped in a 2 Wallmarts and 2
Advance
   > Auto stores and NONE of them had ANY Mobil-1 0W-40, 15W-50 OR
5W-40.
   > As much as I know you guys out there like Mobil-1, it just is not
   > worth my effort any more.
   > So I go over to the Amsoil site and see a selection of synthetics
to
   > choose from. Given my current mood, I'm inclined to buy a 30
gallon
   > jug and be done with it and let Mobil rot in hell where they
belong.
   >
   > Does anyone have a recommendation as to which Amsoil is "best"?
   >
   > Thanks
   >
   > -Dave Walton
   > 94S350, 99E300
   >
   >
   >
   > -
   > Sneak preview the  all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically
different. Just
   > radically better.
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[MBZ] Pikes Peak Hill Climb is tomorrow, 7/1, New, Exiting, Division

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Pikes Peak International Hill Climb - Pro  Trucks Division
No live tv but if you can make it in  person, you will witness some 
spectacular racing in a new division.  I have  read that about 20 SCORE Off 
Road Trophy 
type trucks have been entered!   they have up to 750 HP and will likely 
challenge the unlimiteds record  time.  I was planning to be there but it is 
not to 
be this  time.
 
Jim in Phoenix
 
PRO TRUCK DIVISION
TECHNICAL REGULATIONS and SPECIAL  RULES
 
The Pikes Peak International Hill Climb  welcomes the Baja ProTruck Off Road 
Series to Pikes Peak. This Division will be  running under their rules for 
construction.
 
More information about these trucks can  be found at _www.protruck.com_ 
(http://www.protruck.com/)