Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
That doesn't sound like the typical failure as I understand it, and I kinda doubt it could be covered under the subframe campaign. My '81 380SL had the old style subframe and a couple of the A-arm tabs were cracking when I bought it. I had had them welded, but when I went to the dealer for another matter and brought the repair to their attention, they had the MBUSA regional service rep come out to take a look. The rep had the subframe replaced by the dealer. I paid only for new subframe mounts and engine mounts. They did the RR and alignment. The difference between the old and new style subframes is that the new ones have the tabs that hold the A-arms reinforced with a kind of a box section on either side of the tab. My guess is that, even if you had cracking in the new style in a place that could cause suspension failure, they may possibly replace the subframe, as there is a history of subframe cracking and failures. The liability, should one fail and cause someone to get hurt, may really be the deciding issue. The mention of that fact may tip the scales if the rep appears to be declining the repair. In any case, It's entirely up to the MBUSA field service rep. I'd also assume that if you have a really good relationship with your dealer it could go a long way towards getting MBUSA support. The original purchaser, at the dealership where it was purchased, always has the best bargaining position, especially if they see you come in on a regular basis. But again, since in your case it is the chassis rather than the subframe, they will likely decline to perform that repair as a warranty repair. Now, if they do, please let me know as I have just discovered a small crack starting in one of my chassis engine mount support horns on my SD. ;^) Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wakin Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question The guy said he would send it to Mercedes to be repaired. At first, he said he would weld it (He had at least 2 nice welders in his shop), but then he said he would have MB do it. I am guessing he thought about the liability if the weld failed. Not knowing about any other failure, and only going by what he showed me, the crack was in the mount for the subframe, and not the subframe itself. Not sure if this is what the normal failure is. It definitely can't not be fixed without welding the old one, or cutting it out and putting a new one it. Dave W
Re: [MBZ] '83 300SD a/c suddenly quit
If it's like my 83' 300D, make sure the 2 flat blade connector is still plugged into the bottom of the compressor. If so, apply 12v directly to it and make sure the clutch is still engaging. I assume the blower motor is still working. If not, check the #8(I think) fuse. Mine stopped the other day then I checked it this weekend and it started working again... Levi On 7/2/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bout 2 hours from home the a/c compressor quit running. Just had the a/c system charged a couple weeks ago, and they didn't find any leaks. I could use some advice on trouble shooting this before I have my mechanic look at it. TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 30?
So...I changed the oil today and, as I was laying on the driveway resting while the oil drained out, I noticed for the first time a big 30 stamped on the left side of my engine. What the heck is that? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 155K '01 VW Beetle TDI 66K waiting on '72 350SL 78K From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 03 00:59:04 2006 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FxCmG-0004gw-6K for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:59:04 + Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so614170nfb for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.138.14 with SMTP id l14mr765557hud; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.138.15 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:58:55 -0500 From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 30? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:59:05 - The 30 is how many K you are going to pay Rusty for parts before you retire the beast. On 7/2/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So...I changed the oil today and, as I was laying on the driveway resting while the oil drained out, I noticed for the first time a big 30 stamped on the left side of my engine. What the heck is that? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 155K '01 VW Beetle TDI 66K waiting on '72 350SL 78K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] 30?
Ok, on a more serious note, let's think here. I think you have a 300D. That is a 3.0 engine. Think a 30 might be related somehow?
Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ...
Dried out? I don't think we've had 2 days together it didn't rain since February... My wife and I were checking out a house today and she complained the yard was kinda wet. Well gee dear, now that we live in the rainforest we'll need to get used to that... -Curt Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:19:46 -0400 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rains back east ... To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We're OK here in RI-it went south of us. Eastern PA is a mess-not quite as bad as Agnes in 72. Some damage south of Albany along the Delaware-e.g. I88 was washed out and two truckers killed. The creek sliced right through all 4 lanes. Finally dried out here today. Thanks for asking. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 03 01:35:53 2006 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FxDLt-000880-4e for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:35:53 + Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c59so1312456pyc for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.93.15 with SMTP id v15mr558725pyl; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.86.13 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:35:44 -0700 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 30? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:35:53 - That's how many millimeters your hairline will recede during your tenure-ship of said vehicle. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
[MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
So during the 7,000 miles I had the first dose of Mobil 1 in I had to add less than 1 quart of oil and that was when I took a sample for analysis. Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. Then yesterday driving into the Berkshires the low oil light came on. Well thats interesting but the car doesn't leak oil (see above) so I didn't pay it much mind and it went out. This morning returning from the Berkshires the light came back on and persisted. We stopped for breakfast and after eating I checked and it was down a quart. I topped up but the question remains where the hell did the oil go? Furthermore how did the mystery oil get on the hood? I couldn't see any oil lines there or anything obvious... One possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. -Curt '85 190D Dory 244kmi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 03 02:08:48 2006 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.184]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FxDrj-0002bM-Lk for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 02:08:48 + Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so620468nfb for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.157.15 with SMTP id f15mr773859hue; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.138.15 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:08:37 -0500 From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 30? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 02:08:49 - Then I'd better stay away from the 300D. On 7/2/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's how many millimeters your hairline will recede during your tenure-ship of said vehicle. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] '83 300SD a/c suddenly quit
well, I tried it sitting in the driveway tonight and the compressor is kicking in, you just can't feel the lag on the engine like normal. I'll take it to my mechanic and let him diagnose it from here. On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:16:41 -0500, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's like my 83' 300D, make sure the 2 flat blade connector is still plugged into the bottom of the compressor. If so, apply 12v directly to it and make sure the clutch is still engaging. I assume the blower motor is still working. If not, check the #8(I think) fuse. Mine stopped the other day then I checked it this weekend and it started working again... Levi -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:51 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. So during the 7,000 miles I had the first dose of Mobil 1 in I had to add less than 1 quart of oil and that was when I took a sample for analysis. Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. Then yesterday driving into the Berkshires the low oil light came on. Well thats interesting but the car doesn't leak oil (see above) so I didn't pay it much mind and it went out. This morning returning from the Berkshires the light came back on and persisted. We stopped for breakfast and after eating I checked and it was down a quart. I topped up but the question remains where the hell did the oil go? Furthermore how did the mystery oil get on the hood? I couldn't see any oil lines there or anything obvious... One possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. -Curt '85 190D Dory 244kmi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 A/C info
I'm attempting to diagnose my wife's '84 300D A/C, and can't quite figure out where all the components reside. The steaky and braingears sites have apparently gone AWOL. I ran my RobinAir vacuum pump on the system for an hour, and it held for at least an hour afterwords, so I leaked some propane in there as a test. Turns out the clutch electrical connector was unhooked, so I fixed that, and it now engages. The system maintains a high/low pressure of 75 psi at rest, and 90 psi with the engine running--the same on both sides in each case. Help, I'm an idiot. -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
Very possible that the M1 cleaned some sludge off from a pinhole that was already there and probably going to let you know at a bad time...LOL Thanks M1...Well sorta... Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:51 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. So during the 7,000 miles I had the first dose of Mobil 1 in I had to add less than 1 quart of oil and that was when I took a sample for analysis. Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. Then yesterday driving into the Berkshires the low oil light came on. Well thats interesting but the car doesn't leak oil (see above) so I didn't pay it much mind and it went out. This morning returning from the Berkshires the light came back on and persisted. We stopped for breakfast and after eating I checked and it was down a quart. I topped up but the question remains where the hell did the oil go? Furthermore how did the mystery oil get on the hood? I couldn't see any oil lines there or anything obvious... One possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. -Curt '85 190D Dory 244kmi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '83 300SD a/c suddenly quit
Luther Gulseth wrote: well, I tried it sitting in the driveway tonight and the compressor is kicking in, you just can't feel the lag on the engine like normal. Compressor running w/o resistance implies an open expansion valve, doesn't it? (unless you had to bypass the low pressure safety to make the compressor kick in, then it could be lack of charge)
Re: [MBZ] 30?
Hair is way over rated - ask Luther. God created a few perfect heads, and covered the rest in hair. On 7/2/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I'd better stay away from the 300D. On 7/2/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's how many millimeters your hairline will recede during your tenure-ship of said vehicle. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
I'd think that the top hose to the oil cooler is more likely to leak than the cooler it's self - JMTCW. On 7/2/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very possible that the M1 cleaned some sludge off from a pinhole that was already there and probably going to let you know at a bad time...LOL Thanks M1...Well sorta... Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:51 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. So during the 7,000 miles I had the first dose of Mobil 1 in I had to add less than 1 quart of oil and that was when I took a sample for analysis. Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. Then yesterday driving into the Berkshires the low oil light came on. Well thats interesting but the car doesn't leak oil (see above) so I didn't pay it much mind and it went out. This morning returning from the Berkshires the light came back on and persisted. We stopped for breakfast and after eating I checked and it was down a quart. I topped up but the question remains where the hell did the oil go? Furthermore how did the mystery oil get on the hood? I couldn't see any oil lines there or anything obvious... One possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. -Curt '85 190D Dory 244kmi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 30?
For those who are not similarly hirsute-challenged, there will be receding of other bodily appendages commensurate with the nomenclature designated on the engine block. Sorry, I don't make the rules. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
BZT, WRONG. They will only fix 450 models for free, no other model is covered under the class action. Rich Thomas wrote: MB will fix it for free, you might have to pay for some ancillary parts. My buddy had this done on his 79 450SL a few months ago, the dealer renewed some rubber bits and a couple other things, I think they charged him about $225 for that stuff. A good deal as these things were easy to do with the subframe being replaced. His mech had told him it would cost him $2500 to fix it, I posted the question to the list, got the right answer, went with him to the mech to look at it, casually mentioned I thought MB would fix it for free, he hemmed hawwed a bit and said uh yeah I think that might be right. He is no longer my buddy's mech after many years. The car drives very well now, was wearing the front tires badly and handled like a fat pig. I also found a broken rear stab link that was rubbing the brake shield on turns and sounded hellacious, the mech had some story about that gonna be big bucks too for rear diff or axles etc. $35 part, 30 min replacement. --R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] transmission leak
there is no telling, just look for the leak. Sunil Hari wrote: I pulled into my driveway on Friday, and as I pulled in I noticed the smell of ATF. After parking, I looked under the car and it was not leaking. I started my car today, put it into reverse, and no motion. I revved the engine a little, and it started moving. I backed out of the drive with a lot of revving, and it just felt like the transmission wasn't engaging. I pulled back into my spot, and where I turned the car I noticed a droplet trail of ATF. I was in a rush and switched cars without getting under the car. What's the most likely source of the leak? Is it something I can fix with my limited tools and knowledge? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
welding is a bad idea, replacing it is the best solution. Wakin wrote: The guy said he would send it to Mercedes to be repaired. At first, he said he would weld it (He had at least 2 nice welders in his shop), but then he said he would have MB do it. I am guesiing he thought about the liability if the weld failed. Not knowing about any other failure, and only going by what he showed me, the crack was in the mount for the subframe, and not the subframe itself. Not sure if this is what the normal failure is. It defentely can't not be fixed without welding the old one, or cutting it out and putting a new one it. Dave W -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. Curt, the engine oil cooler is normally not needed and is thermostatically controlled. If there was a leak in the cooler circuit, it might remain invisible until you make a hard pull like your report above. WOT will also change the amount of blowby and where most cars can handle blowby in normal amounts, hard climbs will sometimes move more oil into the intake air stream where it is burned with the combustion process. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
Re: [MBZ] OT: hitches
rumor has it that Jim wrote: Sound like a slick system - for drawbar-type implements. But from your description, it sounds like it does _not_ lift the whole implement, it just lifts the draw point. This is fine for some, but not so good for box blades, tillers, etc. Or am I missing something? *smile* You are. The sockets are rectangular, and deep. The entire implement is rigidly coupled to the hitch system. (As a weak analogy, think of a common incandescent nightlight and how it stabs into the light socket.) That rigid coupling is why the hitch has the 2-way hydraulic angling mechanism, to set the pitch and roll of the implement. Got it! So the connection socket is _not_ a pivot. But that would have a lot less leverage than a typical 3-point. Do you happen to know what sort of weight limit it has? --Philip, just curious
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
rumor has it that Curt wrote: Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. I know you don't have a W123 - but on two different W123s I have had a similar oil trail. It seems that the under-hood airflow is _toward_ the drive's side headlight. One one of the cars, the oil filter mount gasket was leaking and that was the oil coming out between the hood and fender just above the headlight. The other car trashed piston rings on cylinder #3 before I positivly identified the source - but I suspect it was breather tube related - possibly connected to excess blowby. Can't help with the rest - sorry. *smile --Philip, nothing but W123s
Re: [MBZ] 123 A/C info
In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:59:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm attempting to diagnose my wife's '84 300D A/C, and can't quite figure out where all the components reside. The steaky and braingears sites have apparently gone AWOL. I ran my RobinAir vacuum pump on the system for an hour, and it held for at least an hour afterwords, so I leaked some propane in there as a test. Turns out the clutch electrical connector was unhooked, so I fixed that, and it now engages. The system maintains a high/low pressure of 75 psi at rest, and 90 psi with the engine running--the same on both sides in each case. Help, I'm an idiot. Casey, It sounds like you have the valves open on your test gages, and the pressure is equalizing through the manifold. Make sure both valves on the manifold are tightly closed. They don't need to be open to read pressures. If the valves are closed. You should have a nice delta P across the compressor, assuming the compressor is turning, and not just the belt driven clutch pulley. If all the above is totally wrong, and the compressor is turning, it is probably bad. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
Re: [MBZ] OT: hitches
Ya, I'm thinking the same thing. The third point stabilizes, and allows the load to pivot off the center of gravity. So, how does a two point system do this? On 7/2/06, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the connection socket is _not_ a pivot. But that would have a lot less leverage than a typical 3-point. Do you happen to know what sort of weight limit it has? --Philip, just curious ___ Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] 123 A/C info
Ah ha, you are correct. I'll try again tomorrow evening with the valves in the closed position. On 7/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Casey, It sounds like you have the valves open on your test gages, and the pressure is equalizing through the manifold. Make sure both valves on the manifold are tightly closed. They don't need to be open to read pressures. If the valves are closed. You should have a nice delta P across the compressor, assuming the compressor is turning, and not just the belt driven clutch pulley. If all the above is totally wrong, and the compressor is turning, it is probably bad. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
[MBZ] 126 Speedo Inop
The speedo quit in my 82 SD today. I had just pulled the cluster to lube the new odometer gears and the odo still works fine. Any clues/advice before I pull the cluster again to troubleshoot? Thanks. Scott Ritchey Kittrell NC 1982 300SD 220K 1979 300TD 350K -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1448 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060703/155985be/attachment.bin
Re: [MBZ] 30?
duh... Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 30? Ok, on a more serious note, let's think here. I think you have a 300D. That is a 3.0 engine. Think a 30 might be related somehow? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 30?
I always say, like my grandfather before me used to say, when someone gives me a bit of grief about my increasing gray hair: I would rather it turn gray than turn loose. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 30? Hair is way over rated - ask Luther. God created a few perfect heads, and covered the rest in hair. On 7/2/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I'd better stay away from the 300D. On 7/2/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's how many millimeters your hairline will recede during your tenure-ship of said vehicle. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: hitches
So the connection socket is _not_ a pivot. You got it. But that would have a lot less leverage than a typical 3-point. Do you happen to know what sort of weight limit it has? I don't know, I suppose it must be written down somewhere. The hitch metalwork is pretty stout, I can tell you that. I think it's maybe 5/8 by 3. We ran a 2-bottom plow off of it, that little 4-banger was working pretty hard. Any weakness it had was not in the hitch! Ya, I'm thinking the same thing. The third point stabilizes, and allows the load to pivot off the center of gravity. So, how does a two point system do this? The third point, if you will, is part of the tractor rather than part of the implement. It was slung underneath the tractor, and eventually linked to the forwards hydraulic actuator. (For pitch control.) I suspect that the 3-point hitch has a little more versatility in its ability to couple to weird-shaped implements, especially when it comes to setting the base pitch of the implement. But the Farmall offered the ability to adjust the pitch on the fly, which was rather handy when running the plow. (It's what set the angle of attack of the shares.) Implements designed for the tractor, of course, would probably not be at any disadvantage, as the attachment point for the hitch system would be placed wherever it needed to be to get the geometry right. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 123 A/C info
so I fixed that, and it now engages. The system maintains a high/low pressure of 75 psi at rest, and 90 psi with the engine running--the same on both sides in each case. Help, I'm an idiot. Hey, ya idjit, close the manifold valves! Did you see the part of my story where the gauge-set hoses weren't coupling well? Now that's a red herring! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '83 300SD a/c suddenly quit
bout 2 hours from home the a/c compressor quit running. Just had the a/c system charged a couple weeks ago, and they didn't find any leaks. I could use some advice on trouble shooting this before I have my mechanic look at it. TIA all. The usual thing to try is to temporarily short the low-pressure safety switch to see if the compressor starts then. If so, either the switch is suddenly bad (unlikely) or your charge has leaked away. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] transmission leak
series transmissions. The transmission MUST be pulled to service the front pump seal. You may, of course, instead choose to pull the engine while leaving the tranny in place. That also exposes the necessary bolts, but for some reason most people don't favor this approach! :-) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] transmission leak
What's the most likely source of the leak? Is it something I can fix with my limited tools and knowledge? Can't really tell without actually looking to see where the leak is coming from. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
Kaleb - BZT backatya too big guy. Didn't you read my earlier post??? :^) Surely I'm not the only non 450 one. I didn't understand that it went to a lawsuit. I thought it was just one of those unwritten type warranty coverages. Ya know the ones where we really don't want to admit that there really is a problem but replace the cracked and broken subframes just so that there won't be one of those nasty and expensive type class action lawsuit kinda deals. ;^) Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question They will only fix 450 models for free, no other model is covered under the class action.
[MBZ] oxygen sensor. 126 300se
Hi all . Are the oxygen sensor leads ( twoWhite ones )interchangable? both of them do not ground, nor are they connected to the Black signal wire in any way. mak
Re: [MBZ] Got any spare rear shock units for 300TD?
This is so unjust. My 1985 300TD has failed its Warrant of Fitness because the rear hydraulic shock units on the self-levelling suspension are leaking tiny amounts of fluid. Result: automatic rejection 'cos WOFs cannot be issued in NZ for vehicles with dodgy shocks. Would an equal leak of PS fluid or engine oil fail the car? I suppose there's no point in teaching them that your suspension fluid is a measurable and replaceable item, and that a tiny seepage there in no way affects the operation of the suspension? Something that can work here is to get another inspection at a different place, maybe they won't be so picky elsewhere? is WDB123190 2F 043108. What does the 'F' mean? I thought it was always 0 or 1 for LHD/RHD. Alternatively, I have been quoted half the MB dealer price for a no-star pair from the manufacturer, parallel-imported into NZ. What's the story here? How is that the manufacturer sells the units independently like this? Their contract with the manufacturer doesn't prohibit this? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] oxygen sensor. 126 300se
Hi all . Are the oxygen sensor leads ( twoWhite ones )interchangable? both of them do not ground, nor are they connected to the Black signal wire in any way. They're just a heating element, I'm sure they're symmetrical. -- Jim
[MBZ] Tuna time!
My automatic eBay Unimog search has coughed up an auction for that $17 Harbor Freight diesel compression tester. Anyone care to watch with me what the bidding frenzy will get to? Winning bidder is also on the hook for $8 shipping, so if bidding goes to more than about $10 it's caveat emptor time! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=33754353 What's next, foot-pump air compressors as used on Jaguars and Rolls Royces? String, as used in hospitals? (No wait, that one's been done!) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board
Well, nobody had a dead one to sacrifice at the altar of understanding, so I'm putting that project away. (I _know_ at least one or two have been replaced out there, but I suppose the deaders were just thrown away. Not something _I'd_ ever do!) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Got any spare rear shock units for 300TD?
Euan, If it will do any good, there is a specification in the MB manuals that gives a measure to the amount of acceptable fluid leakage. It is actually more than most cars ever leak, if it would be any help to you in arguing your case. I dont have the number in front of me, but it does exist and someone will probably pipe up with it soon. These shocks are hundreds of dollars here in USA. As I am sure you know, they are not shocks at all, but hydraulic cylinders connected to nitrogen filled spheres. There is a possiblity that a local hydraulics repair shop could re-seal them for you for a nominal price. Or maybe just take them out, clean them up real well, re-install and claim rebuilds. You're correct, it is unjust. Were you not under undue stress, I would suggest the only real soulution would be to ship your five speed to me here in the states, where the inspection people only care about collecting the tax, er.. inspection fee. Richard --- Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there folks This is so unjust. My 1985 300TD has failed its Warrant of Fitness because the rear hydraulic shock units on the self-levelling suspension are leaking tiny amounts of fluid. Result: automatic rejection 'cos WOFs cannot be issued in NZ for vehicles with dodgy shocks. Now, you tell me: how often would these WOF inspectors detect a leaking gas shock? I'll tell you. Hardly ever. The two rear gas shocks on my Toyota Hilux 4WD were filled with nothing but rust and dust . They fell apart when I replaced them - after the vehicle had survived several WOF inspections, that is. Anyway, I'm needing two units to replace mine. Does anyone have a set in good condition going spare? Part number is A123 320 07 03. My vehicle number is WDB123190 2F 043108. Alternatively, I have been quoted half the MB dealer price for a no-star pair from the manufacturer, parallel-imported into NZ. What's the story here? How is that the manufacturer sells the units independently like this? Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 201K miles ___ Euan S Kennedy 5 Banks Avenue Shirley, Christchurch 8061 New Zealand Phone +64 3 980 5712 Cellphone 027 326 3245 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
Are there differences in the two cars? --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: BZT, WRONG. They will only fix 450 models for free, no other model is covered under the class action. Rich Thomas wrote: MB will fix it for free, you might have to pay for some ancillary parts. My buddy had this done on his 79 450SL a few months ago, the dealer renewed some rubber bits and a couple other things, I think they charged him about $225 for that stuff. A good deal as these things were easy to do with the subframe being replaced. His mech had told him it would cost him $2500 to fix it, I posted the question to the list, got the right answer, went with him to the mech to look at it, casually mentioned I thought MB would fix it for free, he hemmed hawwed a bit and said uh yeah I think that might be right. He is no longer my buddy's mech after many years. The car drives very well now, was wearing the front tires badly and handled like a fat pig. I also found a broken rear stab link that was rubbing the brake shield on turns and sounded hellacious, the mech had some story about that gonna be big bucks too for rear diff or axles etc. $35 part, 30 min replacement. --R
[MBZ] Clutch Bleed 240D
I have just completed an engine switch on my 83 240D. One of the last things I need to do is bleed the clutch cylinders. The manual says it has to be done backwards (fluid from the slave cylinder to the brake reservoir). I am not sure how to do this and was hoping someone on the list has done it. What is the best way to do this? Thanks, John Ingram
Re: [MBZ] transmission leak
On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: What's the most likely source of the leak? Is it something I can fix with my limited tools and knowledge? Quite possibly one of the cooler lines was damaged at one of the clamps that attach them to the oil pan. The rubber deteriorates causing metal to metal contact. Very common failure. There are plenty of other places that can leak but this is the most common. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
On Jul 2, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave There should be no oil cooler on Curt's 190D. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
John, I thought all of the Mercedes diesels had oil coolers? Even my 300SDL has one - it's inside the driver side fender. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: John Berryman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. On Jul 2, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave There should be no oil cooler on Curt's 190D. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board
Jim, Don't have any to sacrifice however next time your in town I'll let you come and play with a couple still in cars, if you need tension relief. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board Well, nobody had a dead one to sacrifice at the altar of understanding, so I'm putting that project away. (I _know_ at least one or two have been replaced out there, but I suppose the deaders were just thrown away. Not something _I'd_ ever do!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006
Re: [MBZ] Got any spare rear shock units for 300TD?
On Jul 3, 2006, at 1:48 AM, Euan wrote: Anyway, I'm needing two units to replace mine. Does anyone have a set in good condition going spare? Part number is A123 320 07 03. My vehicle number is WDB123190 2F 043108. I just pulled a pair from a 1983 300TD, as I may have one leaking in one of mine. I'm on stand-by with FEMA and I won't be looking into it too soon if I'm deployed. If you don't get it taken care of by the time I get back and I don't need to replace mine, I can ship them to you. Providing that shipping isn't too much $$. The lines can get rusted and leak too. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
If you got your non 450 fixed, they were being nice, they sure didnt have to fix it for you. Barry Stark wrote: Kaleb - BZT backatya too big guy. Didn't you read my earlier post??? :^) Surely I'm not the only non 450 one. I didn't understand that it went to a lawsuit. I thought it was just one of those unwritten type warranty coverages. Ya know the ones where we really don't want to admit that there really is a problem but replace the cracked and broken subframes just so that there won't be one of those nasty and expensive type class action lawsuit kinda deals. ;^) Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question They will only fix 450 models for free, no other model is covered under the class action. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Got any spare rear shock units for 300TD?
Richard, His may actually have shocks, not the self leveling suspension. I don't know if MB sold wagons everywhere with the suspension they sold in the states. Euan, If you do have conventional gas shocks then they are likely the same parts as on the sedan. Also, there is no problem with purchasing parts from the manufacturer. Bilstien shocks are the same quality as the MB branded shocks. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Hattaway Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got any spare rear shock units for 300TD? Euan, If it will do any good, there is a specification in the MB manuals that gives a measure to the amount of acceptable fluid leakage. It is actually more than most cars ever leak, if it would be any help to you in arguing your case. I dont have the number in front of me, but it does exist and someone will probably pipe up with it soon. These shocks are hundreds of dollars here in USA. As I am sure you know, they are not shocks at all, but hydraulic cylinders connected to nitrogen filled spheres. There is a possiblity that a local hydraulics repair shop could re-seal them for you for a nominal price. Or maybe just take them out, clean them up real well, re-install and claim rebuilds. You're correct, it is unjust. Were you not under undue stress, I would suggest the only real soulution would be to ship your five speed to me here in the states, where the inspection people only care about collecting the tax, er.. inspection fee. Richard --- Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there folks This is so unjust. My 1985 300TD has failed its Warrant of Fitness because the rear hydraulic shock units on the self-levelling suspension are leaking tiny amounts of fluid. Result: automatic rejection 'cos WOFs cannot be issued in NZ for vehicles with dodgy shocks. Now, you tell me: how often would these WOF inspectors detect a leaking gas shock? I'll tell you. Hardly ever. The two rear gas shocks on my Toyota Hilux 4WD were filled with nothing but rust and dust . They fell apart when I replaced them - after the vehicle had survived several WOF inspections, that is. Anyway, I'm needing two units to replace mine. Does anyone have a set in good condition going spare? Part number is A123 320 07 03. My vehicle number is WDB123190 2F 043108. Alternatively, I have been quoted half the MB dealer price for a no-star pair from the manufacturer, parallel-imported into NZ. What's the story here? How is that the manufacturer sells the units independently like this? Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 201K miles ___ Euan S Kennedy 5 Banks Avenue Shirley, Christchurch 8061 New Zealand Phone +64 3 980 5712 Cellphone 027 326 3245 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
well aside from the engine size, the difference is one is covered, one is not. They will all crack though. Rich Thomas wrote: Are there differences in the two cars? --R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Clutch Bleed 240D
John Ingram wrote: I have just completed an engine switch on my 83 240D. One of the last things I need to do is bleed the clutch cylinders. The manual says it has to be done backwards (fluid from the slave cylinder to the brake reservoir). I am not sure how to do this and was hoping someone on the list has done it. What is the best way to do this? The book method is to run a hose from the nearest brake caliper bleeder to the slave bleeder and pump the brakes. A better method is to use a pressure bleeder on the slave cylinder, but then you need a way to get rid of the excess fluid.
Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board
Don't have any to sacrifice however next time your in town I'll let you come and play with a couple still in cars, if you need tension relief. In fact we're going there tomorrow, but that sort of thing is _not_ the reason I'm going there. (And to Long Beach.) Thanks anyway! (And it's easier to transport a dead PCB than to transport my test bench.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Tuna time!
That, my friend, is going to be a bargain at any price--carpe emptor! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Clutch Bleed 240D
I have just completed an engine switch on my 83 240D. One of the last things I need to do is bleed the clutch cylinders. The manual says it has to be done backwards (fluid from the slave cylinder to the brake reservoir). I am not sure how to do this and was hoping someone on the list has done it. What is the best way to do this? You need a three-foot (or thereabouts) length of tubing that will slip tightly over the bleed nipples on the brake and clutch cylinders. Next you put it in place and crack both bleeders and then you pump the brakes some number of times. (I always seem to use the RF brake.) Close the bleeders and see if your clutch acts right yet. Repeat as required. This is a perfect time to bleed the brake system and put in new fluid, if you haven't done it more recently than two years ago. It's also a perfect time to hose off your driveway if, as always seems to happen to me, the hose pops off at least once during this procedure. -- Jim
[MBZ] Unimog Search....
Who's looking for a Unimog?? Here's one about 50 miles north of Phoenix. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/176642786.html Good luck! Chuck On Jul 3, 2006, at 5:31 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: My automatic eBay Unimog search has coughed up an auction for that $17 Harbor Freight diesel compression tester. Anyone care to watch with me what the bidding frenzy will get to? Winning bidder is also on the hook for $8 shipping, so if bidding goes to more than about $10 it's caveat emptor time! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=33754353 What's next, foot-pump air compressors as used on Jaguars and Rolls Royces? String, as used in hospitals? (No wait, that one's been done!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unimog Search....
That one would be a get-it-running-to-get-it-out deal. I'm not sure you could get a trailer back to where that dude lives. Bob Rentfro (I live where the roads are paved) '77 300D 155K '01 VW Beetle TDI 67K - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:29 AM Subject: [MBZ] Unimog Search Who's looking for a Unimog?? Here's one about 50 miles north of Phoenix. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/176642786.html Good luck! Chuck On Jul 3, 2006, at 5:31 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: My automatic eBay Unimog search has coughed up an auction for that $17 Harbor Freight diesel compression tester. Anyone care to watch with me what the bidding frenzy will get to? Winning bidder is also on the hook for $8 shipping, so if bidding goes to more than about $10 it's caveat emptor time! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=33754353 What's next, foot-pump air compressors as used on Jaguars and Rolls Royces? String, as used in hospitals? (No wait, that one's been done!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch Bleed 240D
In a message dated 7/3/2006 6:33:56 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just completed an engine switch on my 83 240D. One of the last things I need to do is bleed the clutch cylinders. The manual says it has to be done backwards (fluid from the slave cylinder to the brake reservoir). I am not sure how to do this and was hoping someone on the list has done it. What is the best way to do this? Thanks, John, Pressure bleeding using the brake system has never been 100% successful, plus you run the risk of destroying your master cylinder if you pump the brakes and the piston travels into unused, and often rough, cylinder area. And it is a messy job. What has always worked for me is to fill the reservoir and open the slave bleeder until it drips by gravity (clutch pedal must be up). Close the bleeder. Then warm up the engine so you can start it in gear. Plan a safe route of about a mile or so. Start the car in gear and drive it. The vibrations will finish bleeding the circuit. Occasionally, while driving, push the clutch pedal down, but always pull it back up and keep driving until the clutch function returns. Never fails. Be safe, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
Re: [MBZ] Tuna time!
My latin sucks, but isn't that sieze the buyer? What are your intentions is you catch him/ Bob DuPuy On 7/3/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That, my friend, is going to be a bargain at any price--carpe emptor! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Got any spare rear shock units for 300TD?
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:20:06 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is WDB123190 2F 043108. What does the 'F' mean? I thought it was always 0 or 1 for LHD/RHD. And I always thought those digits listed the type of transmission installed: 10 = four speed manual 12 = automatic 1A (I think) = five speed manual But then, maybe thats for LHD and 20, 22, and 2A would be the RHD equivalents. But that's purely a wild guess. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Tuna time!
Fine quality goods like this item always seize a buyer--it's guaranteed! On 7/3/06, Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My latin sucks, but isn't that sieze the buyer? What are your intentions is you catch him/ Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Tuna time!
My latin sucks, but isn't that sieze the buyer? What are your intentions is you catch him/ Shake him down? Carpe carp-eh?: sieze the fish? (Canada) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Tuna time!
Bob wondered: My latin sucks, but isn't that sieze the buyer? What are your intentions is you catch him/ Sometimes with sellers a German phrase is more correct: treten Sie den Verkäufer in den Nüssen I say seller beware. Bob Rentfro
Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board
Jim, You should bring a small trailer and I could load it probably with enough parts to build a 300D engine for a generator project --- you can have them on the house. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board Don't have any to sacrifice however next time your in town I'll let you come and play with a couple still in cars, if you need tension relief. In fact we're going there tomorrow, but that sort of thing is _not_ the reason I'm going there. (And to Long Beach.) Thanks anyway! (And it's easier to transport a dead PCB than to transport my test bench.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006
[MBZ] OM616 to OM617 - revisiting tranny question
on 6/29/06 1:36 PM, Steve MacSween at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny with the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? It's absolutely perfect in every way, right now. Right now no one has any decent used transmissions around here, and I don't imagine our listmom is drooling to ship any of his up here to Kanuckistan :-0 TKS -- Mac Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant) SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle)
[MBZ] Citric acid flush questions
1. IIRC, the flush mixture stays in for 20 minutes. Yes? 2. Is it acceptable to use the lower rad hose as a drain? (Not being lazy, just my back is sore as the devil and I don't want to jack the car up and put a jackstand under it, to use the drain.) TKS -- Mac Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant) SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle)
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
OK, I got that part about the engines being different. But if the parts are the same, and the problem the same, why the coverage difference? Is it just one of those things? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: well aside from the engine size, the difference is one is covered, one is not. They will all crack though. Rich Thomas wrote: Are there differences in the two cars? --R
Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:40:12 -0700 Woodlandtaylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, You should bring a small trailer and I could load it probably with enough parts to build a 300D engine for a generator project --- you can have them on the house. Now if that doesn't get him drooling ... ! Craig
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid flush questions
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:48:29 -0400 Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. IIRC, the flush mixture stays in for 20 minutes. Yes? That sounds about right. 2. Is it acceptable to use the lower rad hose as a drain? (Not being lazy, just my back is sore as the devil and I don't want to jack the car up and put a jackstand under it, to use the drain.) It's kind of messy, but there's no prohibition on doing it that way. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid flush questions
There is also the large blue phillips drain plug you can use first. That will minimize the splash effect. Pop open the expansion tank cap before you open the blue drain. When the radiator is drained, I just disconnected the expansion-radiator hose and drained there. Luther Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:48:29 -0400 Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. IIRC, the flush mixture stays in for 20 minutes. Yes? That sounds about right. 2. Is it acceptable to use the lower rad hose as a drain? (Not being lazy, just my back is sore as the devil and I don't want to jack the car up and put a jackstand under it, to use the drain.) It's kind of messy, but there's no prohibition on doing it that way. Craig -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid flush questions
1. IIRC, the flush mixture stays in for 20 minutes. Yes? Something like that. Running. 2. Is it acceptable to use the lower rad hose as a drain? (Not being lazy, just my back is sore as the devil and I don't want to jack the car up and put a jackstand under it, to use the drain.) Whatever you want. I ended up using a free flush method where the water was teed into the upper rad hose and I let it run out the normal fill spot. Made a heck of a mess, but rinsed pretty thoroughly! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board
You should bring a small trailer and I could load it probably with enough parts to build a 300D engine for a generator project --- you can have them on the house. What an offer! Unfortunately we're going to be in the SDL this trip, though I might take you up on that offer, using my brother's place as a staging area. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid flush questions
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:12:17 - Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is also the large blue phillips drain plug you can use first. CAREFUL! That drain plug (through the center of one of the lower radiator supports) is plastic and you can break it rather easily when re-installing it. You do not, however, need to raise the car up on jackstands when using it. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 - OM617 swap
rumor has it that Steve wrote: 2. Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny with the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? It's absolutely perfect in every way, right now. Right now no one has any decent used transmissions around here, and I don't imagine our listmom is drooling to ship any of his up here to Kanuckistan :-0 Well, in high-horsepower big trucks (700+ HP and 2500+ lb-ft) the reliable word is use the big horsepower only in the high gears In otherwords, even thought the transmission is not rated for that much power, the danger is only when that torque is multiplied by the transmission gear ratio. So, I suspect the same is true for us. Thus if you plan on foot-to-the-floor, 5000 RPM, max torque in 1st gear - you could have a problem! But if you go easy in 1st and don't wail on it until 3rd, my _guess_ is the transmission will be fine. If not, I did suggest a thing!! *grin* -- Philip, still without a turbo car with a manual transmission
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid flush questions
BDTD. Need to purchase a couple from Rusty next order http://tinyurl.com/fvloe Radiator Drain Plug on Rusty's site Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:12:17 - Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is also the large blue phillips drain plug you can use first. CAREFUL! That drain plug (through the center of one of the lower radiator supports) is plastic and you can break it rather easily when re-installing it. You do not, however, need to raise the car up on jackstands when using it. Craig -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] OM616 to OM617 - revisiting tranny question
Steve MacSween wrote: on 6/29/06 1:36 PM, Steve MacSween at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny with the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? This was a manny tranny, right? I haven't heard of problems with that. http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?s=threadid=88699 If it's an auto, adjustments will have to be made to keep it from slipping, and the shift points might still be off.
Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 - OM617 swap
Fmiser wrote: rumor has it that Steve wrote: 2. Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny with the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? It's absolutely perfect in every way, right now. Right now no one has any decent used transmissions around here, and I don't imagine our listmom is drooling to ship any of his up here to Kanuckistan :-0 Well, in high-horsepower big trucks (700+ HP and 2500+ lb-ft) the reliable word is use the big horsepower only in the high gears In otherwords, even thought the transmission is not rated for that much power, the danger is only when that torque is multiplied by the transmission gear ratio. That will protect the rest of the driveline from excessive torque, but *may* not protect the transmission, depending on how it's built. For example, VW Bus transmissions are known for having a weak 4th gear, and it's pretty common to break 4th when, say, a Toyota V6 engine is swapped in. Similarly, on Ford AOD automatics, the overdrive brake band is weak and often fails with higher power. It may be good advice if the transmission doesn't have any weak spots in the higher gears, though. Are we talking about a manual 240D trans, here? I thought other people had already done this kind of swap before without problems.
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid flush questions
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:54:23 - Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BDTD. Need to purchase a couple from Rusty next order http://tinyurl.com/fvloe Radiator Drain Plug on Rusty's site $4.58 for THAT! Oh my. Anyway, I forgot to request one when I made my last order. Craig
[MBZ] Jim, bring the MOG
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/178003499.html might be able to get into the used car restore gig with these -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] Another one for Jim C
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/car/177734929.html -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Looking for a MOG?
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:27:57 -0700 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/176926728.html this would be a great one to take on the ArcticQ. Gonna cost ya though Indeed. But can you trust him if he can't even spell pristine? Craig
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
I had emailed the guy who had the car for sale (1985 380SL), and this is what he had to say: The subframe was updated in 1979 and the last of the 450SLs and all 380/560 |R107's have the updated subframe. I called my old mechanic in Virginia and he says the R107 subframes that MB is shipping now (yes, the 450SL recall is still in effect!) are the same as the one on my 380SL. He has heard of a few higher mileage cars cracking/breaking their mounts, but they just weld and align. The only time they have replaced a subframe on the 380/560 series was when the mounts on both sides had failed. The car in question was also on ebay, item 180001897460 and just ended a little while ago. I was actually surprised to see he did not update the descriptyion to reflect what we found. I wonder if he plans on telling the buyer. Dave W - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question OK, I got that part about the engines being different. But if the parts are the same, and the problem the same, why the coverage difference? Is it just one of those things? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: well aside from the engine size, the difference is one is covered, one is not. They will all crack though. Rich Thomas wrote: Are there differences in the two cars? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 Subframe Question
I had emailed the guy who had the car for sale (1985 380SL), and this is what he had to say: The subframe was updated in 1979 and the last of the 450SLs and all 380/560 |R107's have the updated subframe. I called my old mechanic in Virginia and he says the R107 subframes that MB is shipping now (yes, the 450SL recall is still in effect!) are the same as the one on my 380SL. He has heard of a few higher mileage cars cracking/breaking their mounts, but they just weld and align. The only time they have replaced a subframe on the 380/560 series was when the mounts on both sides had failed. The car in question was also on ebay, item 180001897460 and just ended a little while ago. I was actually surprised to see he did not update the descriptyion to reflect what we found. I wonder if he plans on telling the buyer. Dave W
Re: [MBZ] Clutch Bleed 240D
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:27:27 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just completed an engine switch on my 83 240D. One of the last things I need to do is bleed the clutch cylinders. The manual says it has to be done backwards (fluid from the slave cylinder to the brake reservoir). I am not sure how to do this and was hoping someone on the list has done it. What is the best way to do this? You need a three-foot (or thereabouts) length of tubing that will slip tightly over the bleed nipples on the brake and clutch cylinders. Next you put it in place and crack both bleeders and then you pump the brakes some number of times. (I always seem to use the RF brake.) Close the bleeders and see if your clutch acts right yet. Repeat as required. This is a perfect time to bleed the brake system and put in new fluid, if you haven't done it more recently than two years ago. It's also a perfect time to hose off your driveway if, as always seems to happen to me, the hose pops off at least once during this procedure. I was never able to get fluid flow through the tubing without a big flood down the inside of the wheel, so I put together some adaptors to use my pressure bleeder. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pressure.bleed.clutch.hookup.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 171333 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060703/0c26cc33/attachment.jpg
