Re: [MBZ] 400,000 miles and still ticking
Awa At 05:21 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: Where do you live?? I might be interested in the drive train when the body gives way. On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:09:10 -0600, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A LONG way, based on my 300k inspection. Unfortunately, it had cancer when i got it. The cancer was in remission for 6 years, (after throwing 2 grand at it) but now has come back, and I don't have the money to try putting it into remission again. So we are just cruising along. It will die of cancer some year, but until then we are cruising. 21 years in the rust belt is still pretty respectable. At 05:00 PM 11/16/2006, you wrote: Keep changing that oil. Who knows how far it may go? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 400,000 miles and still ticking Since K'leb is gracious enough to let us slip a picture in once in a while, I thought some folks might like this one. It was taken when my 86 SDL rolled up 400,000 miles. It is a wonderful car. Loren Faeth -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 12, Issue 80
Kevin wrote: As you know, I now have a 1983 300SD. I need to remove the seats both to rework/replace the spring boxes and sort out the power seat mechanisms. Are these done much like the W123 seats by sliding the seat forward or backward to get to the bolts? YES If so, this is going to make it very tough since the power mechanism doesn't work. Is there a way to work it by hand while the seat is still in the car? I BELIEVE SO, BUT CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1983 300SD 284k miles, Ursula Kevin: I highly recommend www.mercedessource.com's book on the subject. I can't find my copy of it at the moment. It's quite thorough. WIth it's guidance, I swapped my front seats drivers-for-passengers fairly quickly and easily. Would have taken me forever working trial-and-error without the book. Prevented a lot of grief. The book does seem a bit steep in price for it's size and specificity, but it is well illustrated with helpful photos and I found the cost well worth it in saved time and cussing. No affiliation. Dan -- Dan Weeks 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 JX TD conversion, DK trans, 188k 82 Mercedes 300SD, 290k
Re: [MBZ] Some people are strange
Must be off his meds --- On 11/20/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb Wrote: you have GOT to be kidding I am not kidding. He is serious. He wants a big buick or oldsmobile wagon. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] Columbus CL 300D
http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/237758851.html i have no idea if this guy is for real. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Geographical confusion
What I meant to say was: why would anyone on a DIESEL list want to purchase a gasoline powered vehicle. This is not a diesel list, Strasfogel. Actually, it seems to have degenerated to an Ebay link list. RLE
[MBZ] nice 190D with grease kit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-Diesel-1984-Mercedes-190D-Diesel-Greasecar-WVO-SVO-112K-miles_W0QQitemZ290052499682QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 21 01:23:45 2006 Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.207]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GmKMS-0007UW-Qa for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:23:44 + Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id s.ca6.273a735 (48552) for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:21:26 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:21:24 EST To: mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 308 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] More confusion X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:23:45 - Automotive clay works like a miracle but be prepared to spend all afternoon or all day tediously massaging it into the finish to remove the scratches. Since clay does not remove scratches, I can see why you spent all afternoon. It removes all surface schmutz, and that's all. RLE
[MBZ] holy cow
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissan-Other-Pickups-87-Nissan-240D-Mercedes-Benz-biodiesel-diesel-truck_W0QQitemZ320051477945QQihZ011QQcategoryZ84165QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 21 01:30:17 2006 Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GmKSn-0007ix-RH for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:30:17 + Received: from [66.130.13.73] by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:28:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:28:09 -0500 From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 power seat questions X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:30:18 - on 11/20/06 5:24 PM, kevin kraly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, this is going to make it very tough since the power mechanism doesn't work. Is there a way to work it by hand while the seat is still in the car? 9/10 times it's the switches that are not working, either due breakage or (more often) tarnish and crud on the contacts... have you tried putting power directly to the wires? I had to manoeuver the passenger seat out of my w126 that way, when I first got the car. Mac
Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:37:19 -0600 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh, I'm gonna have to get by the place and see how many they have in stock. Package size is 27x21x16 and 58lbs according to the manual. My ship zip will be 72901 if you want to check your own shipping. I was wrong in a previous email about the manufacture date. Found a date code of 03/02/94, so it's not that old school Any more info on this, Luther? Craig
Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 300D
The car sure isn't unless it's an Euro. On 11/20/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/237758851.html i have no idea if this guy is for real. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap 95 wagon
Well this is not a diesel list so I guess he is safe. andrew strasfogel wrote: What I meant to say was: why would anyone on a DIESEL list want to purchase a gasoline powered vehicle. On 11/17/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Who cares? It's gasoline. I might care, it's the last year of one of the best chassis MBZ ever built. If I didn't have a 201.34 sitting here waiting for my 2.5 turbo engine, I'd give serious thought into buying that wagon and selling the engine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Nailing
My observation has always been that the non-turbo 61x's were more quiet than the turbo versions. Maybe its just me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: High injector opening pressures will make it noisier, and new injectors will be a lot louder than 20 year old worn injectors. Advanced timing will make it louder. I'm not sure as to the exact cause of injector nailing, which would likely be in one or two cylinders, not all five evenly, but it sounds like there's a little guy in the engine with a hammer. Nailing can usually be cured, at least temporarily, by running an injector cleaner like diesel purge through it. Based on 120K miles in my '78 300D from new, nailing (rat-a-tat) sounds were caused by bad spray patterns which were caused (for one thing) by water passing through the nozzles and deforming the holes. It's not necessarily a steady sound but more random and very annoying. That's why my car had thirteen warranty injector replacements in 50K miles after which I installed a Racor water separator which completely ended the problem until I sold the car at 120K miles. There will now be posted several stuff and nonsense rebuttals to this and my reply will be that my post is based on personal hands-on experience. BTW, as I recall when my car was around, the injector pop-off pressure was 1750psi for the 300D whereas the 300SD was 2150psi, according to my dealer. And I recall that the turbo version was a much more even and slightly quieter combustion sound. I do know that any reasonably experienced diesel driver can tell the difference blindfolded. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] cheap 95 wagon
that is correct. E M wrote: I thought all the old MBs lists were now rolled into just this one, diesel and gas cars? Zeb On 20/11/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I meant to say was: why would anyone on a DIESEL list want to purchase a gasoline powered vehicle. On 11/17/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Who cares? It's gasoline. I might care, it's the last year of one of the best chassis MBZ ever built. If I didn't have a 201.34 sitting here waiting for my 2.5 turbo engine, I'd give serious thought into buying that wagon and selling the engine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes 500SEL
Listen for timing chain rattles when first started cold. If it does for a second or 2, chain and tensioner needs to be replaced right away. Other than that, great cars. Around those miles, if the injectors and chain have not been replaced, they will need it soon. MICHAEL ESH wrote: What are the cautions about this car. Looking at one for $2500 - One owner, no rust, 197,000 miles, well cared for. Thanks in advance, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] cheap 95 wagon
But it doesn't prevent us from expressing our often heart felt opinions, at least on the Diesel/gasoline question. Then there are those schizophrenic list members (myself included) who profess a preference, but own and maintain both On 11/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is correct. E M wrote: I thought all the old MBs lists were now rolled into just this one, diesel and gas cars? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] W126 power seat questions
I think that that tecnhique will work with the passenger's seat because I got it to go forward once when I wiggled the switch just right (haven't been able to do it since).The driver's seat forward/backward adjustment motor turns, but doesn't move the seat, so it must be in the cable drive connection at either end, so I'll have to get in there to see if I can get the drive cable back into its socket by hand if i'ts even possible. I hope that I don't have to damage something just to get it out, but... Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] I found one!
My Pleasure Kevin. Her SD tangled with a Jacked up Jeep Liberty with a Pental Hitch on the back. Idiot cut me off then slammed on the brakes. SD took pental hitch thru the radiator all the way to the Block, Busted the timing chain cover. Crunched the Front end to the point it wasn't repairable. Did 12 Grand worth of damage to Idiots Jeep. Teach him to tangle with a SD. You got it right about switching to a 240 from a SD. I still hear it from her every day about wanting another SD. I'm a looking and Saving money for another one. Best Road car I've ever owned. She drives 120 miles a day. I'd like to find a late 80's SD or SDL with a 60x motor. Russ W. kevin kraly wrote: Thanks, Russ, for the info! I'll see if everything is there (probably have to find a bolt since it's missing). What happened to your wife's SD? I couldn't imagine riding around in a 240D after having a big SD for any length of time! However, the simplicity of having one is awefully tempting to me and would be a good backup car. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] holy cow
You'll want to ask some detailed questions, such as how they fabricated adaptors for the motor mounts, how it idles (vibration issues), is there vacuum going to the brake booster (I can't make out what is happening there, in the pic), what is the throttle arrangement (no linkages visable, looks like they adapted a cable setup), how is the oil pan clearance from the crossmember (is anything rubbing on anything else under the hood in general), and so on? Also, basically is the thing actually DRIVABLE right now? Or is it a typical project where 90 pct is done and the last 10 pct (all the fiddly/irritating/not straightforward stuff, such as getting working gauges) has been left hanging? Heck, they sell kits for V8 Jaguar conversions, yet notice some time how many of those cars come up for sale, 90 pct done and then left for dead, or driven around missing such essentials as a gas gauge or even speedo. If you like messing with cars, it's definitely an interesting... thing. If you pay for someone else to wrench for you, RUN AWAY unless it's all sewn up. Mac on 11/20/06 9:55 PM, Chris Kueny at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a good idea? Chris K Cayce, SC Subject: [MBZ] holy cow http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissan-Other-Pickups-87-Nissan-240D-Mercedes-B enz-biodiesel-diesel-truck_W0QQitemZ320051477945QQihZ011QQcategoryZ84165QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] holy cow
MacYou still interested in my 83 SD? Mike - Original Message - From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] holy cow You'll want to ask some detailed questions, such as how they fabricated adaptors for the motor mounts, how it idles (vibration issues), is there vacuum going to the brake booster (I can't make out what is happening there, in the pic), what is the throttle arrangement (no linkages visable, looks like they adapted a cable setup), how is the oil pan clearance from the crossmember (is anything rubbing on anything else under the hood in general), and so on? Also, basically is the thing actually DRIVABLE right now? Or is it a typical project where 90 pct is done and the last 10 pct (all the fiddly/irritating/not straightforward stuff, such as getting working gauges) has been left hanging? Heck, they sell kits for V8 Jaguar conversions, yet notice some time how many of those cars come up for sale, 90 pct done and then left for dead, or driven around missing such essentials as a gas gauge or even speedo. If you like messing with cars, it's definitely an interesting... thing. If you pay for someone else to wrench for you, RUN AWAY unless it's all sewn up. Mac on 11/20/06 9:55 PM, Chris Kueny at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a good idea? Chris K Cayce, SC Subject: [MBZ] holy cow http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissan-Other-Pickups-87-Nissan-240D-Mercedes-B enz-biodiesel-diesel-truck_W0QQitemZ320051477945QQihZ011QQcategoryZ84165QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine
It'll have to be after Thanksgiving. I'm leaving town Wed night and returning (via Kaleb's) on Sunday. The next week is busy, but I think I'll have time to visit there On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:00:48 -0600, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:37:19 -0600 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh, I'm gonna have to get by the place and see how many they have in stock. Package size is 27x21x16 and 58lbs according to the manual. My ship zip will be 72901 if you want to check your own shipping. I was wrong in a previous email about the manufacture date. Found a date code of 03/02/94, so it's not that old school Any more info on this, Luther? Craig -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] Geographical confusion
Whatever. On 11/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I meant to say was: why would anyone on a DIESEL list want to purchase a gasoline powered vehicle. This is not a diesel list, Strasfogel. Actually, it seems to have degenerated to an Ebay link list. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More confusion
Correction: It works great on overspray. On 11/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Automotive clay works like a miracle but be prepared to spend all afternoon or all day tediously massaging it into the finish to remove the scratches. Since clay does not remove scratches, I can see why you spent all afternoon. It removes all surface schmutz, and that's all. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nailing
Not true. I got a headache from the throbbing 1980 300D. The 83 and 85 have no such problems and are relatively quiet... despite far greater mileage. On 11/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My observation has always been that the non-turbo 61x's were more quiet than the turbo versions. Maybe its just me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: High injector opening pressures will make it noisier, and new injectors will be a lot louder than 20 year old worn injectors. Advanced timing will make it louder. I'm not sure as to the exact cause of injector nailing, which would likely be in one or two cylinders, not all five evenly, but it sounds like there's a little guy in the engine with a hammer. Nailing can usually be cured, at least temporarily, by running an injector cleaner like diesel purge through it. Based on 120K miles in my '78 300D from new, nailing (rat-a-tat) sounds were caused by bad spray patterns which were caused (for one thing) by water passing through the nozzles and deforming the holes. It's not necessarily a steady sound but more random and very annoying. That's why my car had thirteen warranty injector replacements in 50K miles after which I installed a Racor water separator which completely ended the problem until I sold the car at 120K miles. There will now be posted several stuff and nonsense rebuttals to this and my reply will be that my post is based on personal hands-on experience. BTW, as I recall when my car was around, the injector pop-off pressure was 1750psi for the 300D whereas the 300SD was 2150psi, according to my dealer. And I recall that the turbo version was a much more even and slightly quieter combustion sound. I do know that any reasonably experienced diesel driver can tell the difference blindfolded. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Purchase decisions
Watch out buddy, that car may arrive on your doorstep plastered with stickers for libertarian candidates On Nov 18, 2006, at 5:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody get this before I go and do something stupid Too late. Waay too late. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D thing to watch for
Make sure you get fresh fluids and fuses no matter what the PO claims to have done. Replace the glow plugs and fuels hoses all around. Get new filters for it, that means cabin filter too! Might want new glow relay. Those have been the items I had to address in the past three years. On Nov 19, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Jeff Wood wrote: Hello all, I have a question concerning items to watch out for on a 1995 E300D. I have an opportunity to purchase the car at a very reasonable price. Mileage is low 110k, paint is perfect from 10 feet, interior show reasonable wear, sun roof a little slow to open on cold days, does not have records from new, but current owner is taking very good care of her. Were and what should I be looking at as areas of concern on this car. TIA, -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine
Luther, Get everyone who wants you to buy something for them to send you the money now with their request. It will make your obligations to them much more straightforward. I sure wouldn't have the cash available to buy a bunch of inventory. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine It'll have to be after Thanksgiving. I'm leaving town Wed night and returning (via Kaleb's) on Sunday. The next week is busy, but I think I'll have time to visit there On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:00:48 -0600, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:37:19 -0600 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh, I'm gonna have to get by the place and see how many they have in stock. Package size is 27x21x16 and 58lbs according to the manual. My ship zip will be 72901 if you want to check your own shipping. I was wrong in a previous email about the manufacture date. Found a date code of 03/02/94, so it's not that old school Any more info on this, Luther? Craig -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine
Only problem with that is I'm not sure what inventory is still at the store and they close at 6pm every day...grrr, busy schedules On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:52:43 -0600, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther, Get everyone who wants you to buy something for them to send you the money now with their request. It will make your obligations to them much more straightforward. I sure wouldn't have the cash available to buy a bunch of inventory. Chris K Cayce, SC -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine
First come first serve. Refund everyone else. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine Only problem with that is I'm not sure what inventory is still at the store and they close at 6pm every day...grrr, busy schedules On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:52:43 -0600, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther, Get everyone who wants you to buy something for them to send you the money now with their request. It will make your obligations to them much more straightforward. I sure wouldn't have the cash available to buy a bunch of inventory. Chris K Cayce, SC
Re: [MBZ] W126 power seat questions
On 11/20/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that that tecnhique will work with the passenger's seat because I got it to go forward once when I wiggled the switch just right (haven't been able to do it since). Could the intermittent failure be in the wires between the switch and motor where they flex passing through the door jamb? I don't know about 126s, but I've had seat failures in two 124s that were fixed by resoldering broken wires at the jamb (not a difficult job, but tedious). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
[MBZ] Intermittent cruise control
Anyone know how to sleuth an intermittent cruise control on a '87 300SDL? Works normally or doesn't work at all. Fixable, or do I need to spend big bucks for a reman/new one? Thanks.
Re: [MBZ] Nailing
Jim Cathey wrote: nozzles. Many diesels do have water separators on them, and unless it's a Racor or similar, the average MB diesel has none. The average MB diesel does. It's the main fuel filter. Non-emptyable, normally. But you can invert it and dump it out... VW used a similar spin-on filter on their diesels, but theirs had a drain on the bottom. There was an optional kit to add a 'water in fuel' light to the dashboard.
Re: [MBZ] W126 power seat questions
I never thought of the wires passing through the door jamb as a possibility, but it sure does make sense. Vacuum lines fail there too,. Thanks! Kevin in Hillsboro OR 1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula PS. Can I clean the switch without removing it? Has anyone had any luck with a particular cleaner not eating away the surrounding plastics?
Re: [MBZ] I found one!
Her SD tangled with a Jacked up Jeep Liberty with a Pental Hitch on the back. SD took pental hitch thru the radiator all the way to the Block, Busted the timing chain cover. Crunched the Front end to the point it wasn't repairable. Did 12 Grand worth of damage to Idiots Jeep. Teach him to tangle with a SD. Tragic indeed! I hope you do eventually find another one because they are such fine cars. I'm surprised that the Jeep was repaired rather than totaled out at $12K worth of damage! As we were driving the SD home from Albany Oregon 70+ miles in the rain and wind, I was impressed with the handling and stability. It is a sturdy, full-size car that can hold up to just about anything and keep its passenger's safe. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] oooookkkkkkkkkk
Isn't that Marshalls 201? Hendrik only joking, Marshalls hood ornament is much bigger - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: [MBZ] okk http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190D-1984-Mercedes-190-Diesel-one-of-a-kind_W0QQitemZ160053599233QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6315QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.8/539 - Release Date: 19/11/2006
Re: [MBZ] La Carrera Panamericana racer --here it is!
German version of the Blues mobile, it's got cop tyres, cop suspension and a two litre Diesel. Hendrik who wouldn't mind an old roundie for the cool factor - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] La Carrera Panamericana racer --here it is! This is the car I saw http://www.lacarrerapanamericana.com.mx/gal_muestra06_2.asp?foto=Galeria06/gd/205.jpg 5 252 Thomas Hanna Jörg Müller mercedes 5 Histórica A 0:32:07 0:14:44 0:31:57 0:35:12 0:54:40 0:22:12 0:14:24 3:25:16 5 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.8/539 - Release Date: 19/11/2006
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent cruise control
pull the CC amplifier, resolder all the connections (touch each solder joint with a hot iron), reinstall. Don't know where it is in a 300SDL; in the 84 and 92 300D it was under the dash on the driver's side. On 11/21/06, wchopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know how to sleuth an intermittent cruise control on a '87 300SDL? Works normally or doesn't work at all. Fixable, or do I need to spend big bucks for a reman/new one? Thanks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] holy cow
Kevin, It has 209K miles and has a bad front pump in the tranny. It is fairly solid as it came from PA and has not sen the NT salt but it does have rust in the usual places...Not worth fixing up in my mind but that's because I have no use for a 2wd anything right now. Mike - Original Message - From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] holy cow You still interested in my 83 SD? It's too bad that you live across the country, DARN! My 1983 300SD is a fine car. What kind of condition is yours in, and how many miles are on it? It amazes me how these Mercedes with nearly 300K on them can ride and drive s much better than most of the new rides out there. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] La Carrera Panamericana racer --here it is!
In reading the web site about the 190, it seems the history of the car included some time as a taxi in Argentina. I did a lot of work in Argentina in the '90s and I immediately recognized the paint scheme. The high end taxis were MB, and the low end taxis were Ford Falcons built in Ford's South America plant. But...they all had that familiar black paint on the lower part and a yellow top. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 285K Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:55:58 +1030 From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] La Carrera Panamericana racer --here it is! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original German version of the Blues mobile, it's got cop tyres, cop suspension and a two litre Diesel. Hendrik who wouldn't mind an old roundie for the cool factor - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] La Carrera Panamericana racer --here it is! This is the car I saw http://www.lacarrerapanamericana.com.mx/gal_muestra06_2.asp?foto=Galeria06/g d/205.jpg 5 252 Thomas Hanna J?rg M?ller mercedes 5 Hist?rica A 0:32:07 0:14:44 0:31:57 0:35:12 0:54:40 0:22:12 0:14:24 3:25:16 5 --R
Re: [MBZ] cheap 95 wagon
yes, I hear you. OK Don wrote: But it doesn't prevent us from expressing our often heart felt opinions, at least on the Diesel/gasoline question. Then there are those schizophrenic list members (myself included) who profess a preference, but own and maintain both -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W126 power seat questions
you need contact cleaner, such as sold at radio shack. tronic clean I think they may call it. kevin kraly wrote: I never thought of the wires passing through the door jamb as a possibility, but it sure does make sense. Vacuum lines fail there too,. Thanks! Kevin in Hillsboro OR 1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula PS. Can I clean the switch without removing it? Has anyone had any luck with a particular cleaner not eating away the surrounding plastics? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Noisy 300D engine
Injectors are new so its not that - sound is even so its not one single injector . Could it be burnt through prechambers?? - if the nozzles are too large I guess it would more closely approximate a Direct injection configuration. Timing tensionaer is also new so it should not be th echain flapping about. PEter -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2006 03:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Noisy 300D engine Injectors are probably dirty, engine carboned up etc. May need new injectors. Peter Merle wrote: My one 300D engine ( In Gwagen ) is a lot noisier than the other I have in a W123 and this really came to a light when I came agross another 300GD over the weekend and its engine was probably a good 10db quiter than mine at idle. My tappets have been checked as has been th einjection timing. All is well with the engine as far as I know. It sounds healthy - just noisier that I guess it should be. Sould a bit like a direct injection truck engine of the 80's . Any thoughts? PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent cruise control
Anyone know how to sleuth an intermittent cruise control on a '87 300SDL? Works normally or doesn't work at all. Fixable, or do I need to spend big bucks for a reman/new one? Solder joints internally. I've fixed a bunch of them. Do _not_ skip the step where you use paint stripper to remove the varnish on the bottom of the board. Carefully! Don't do this if you can't solder at least moderately well, the board is sensitive. If you need to, practice on something else first, in other words. See: http://cathey.dogear.com/mamerepairs.html http://cathey.dogear.com/cwcruise.html http://cathey.dogear.com/JSLcruise.html -- Jim
[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:09 PM To: Weekly Highway Diesel Prices Subject: Today's Diesel Prices ** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** On-highway diesel prices, by week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATEAVG COAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 061120 2.553 2.521 2.625 2.638 2.461 2.554 2.469 2.647 2.724 2.690 061113 2.552 2.530 2.616 2.643 2.473 2.562 2.470 2.623 2.673 2.677 061106 2.506 2.508 2.613 2.628 2.448 2.493 2.449 2.577 2.606 2.637 061030 2.517 2.530 2.629 2.646 2.472 2.501 2.462 2.577 2.602 2.645 061023 2.524 2.537 2.636 2.651 2.480 2.502 2.477 2.563 2.628 2.669 061016 2.503 2.521 2.623 2.636 2.462 2.459 2.461 2.539 2.655 2.703 061009 2.506 2.533 2.649 2.654 2.471 2.448 2.446 2.584 2.697 2.751 061002 2.546 2.567 2.678 2.694 2.503 2.467 2.490 2.679 2.789 2.835 060925 2.595 2.600 2.730 2.746 2.526 2.506 2.526 2.827 2.892 2.910 060918 2.713 2.699 2.832 2.844 2.625 2.624 2.636 3.052 3.014 3.002 060911 2.857 2.826 2.955 2.958 2.757 2.787 2.770 3.236 3.137 3.125 060904 2.967 2.911 3.009 3.032 2.850 2.937 2.872 3.318 3.199 3.175 060828 3.027 2.955 3.035 3.074 2.897 3.026 2.923 3.346 3.229 3.200 060821 3.033 2.953 3.049 3.078 2.890 3.041 2.923 3.349 3.237 3.221 060814 3.065 3.017 3.077 3.130 2.964 3.065 2.974 3.311 3.218 3.220 060807 3.055 3.026 3.061 3.104 2.989 3.070 2.988 3.208 3.113 3.130 060731 2.980 2.958 2.991 3.030 2.924 2.988 2.925 3.052 3.066 3.093 060724 2.946 2.925 2.972 3.002 2.888 2.951 2.895 2.987 3.047 3.097 060717 2.926 2.906 2.970 2.992 2.864 2.927 2.868 2.960 3.051 3.097 060710 2.918 2.887 2.947 2.963 2.849 2.919 2.866 2.966 3.060 3.113 060703 2.898 2.874 2.948 2.951 2.834 2.887 2.845 2.958 3.056 3.119 060626 2.867 2.864 2.952 2.956 2.816 2.819 2.822 2.960 3.068 3.140 060619 2.915 2.907 2.960 2.990 2.867 2.873 2.859 3.018 3.117 3.185 060612 2.918 2.909 2.979 2.997 2.866 2.874 2.848 3.041 3.149 3.217 060605 2.890 2.881 2.969 2.992 2.825 2.837 2.805 3.043 3.159 3.227 060529 2.882 2.873 2.966 2.987 2.815 2.824 2.798 3.044 3.161 3.227 060522 2.888 2.877 2.982 2.987 2.820 2.836 2.801 3.024 3.175 3.234 060515 2.920 2.907 3.003 3.014 2.853 2.870 2.829 3.074 3.192 3.242 060508 2.897 2.884 2.972 2.983 2.834 2.841 2.814 3.054 3.180 3.244 060501 2.896 2.892 2.979 2.987 2.843 2.853 2.832 3.012 3.098 3.163 060424 2.876 2.888 2.961 2.978 2.843 2.847 2.817 2.903 3.026 3.103 060417 2.765 2.788 2.865 2.876 2.743 2.735 2.725 2.756 2.881 2.933 060410 2.654 2.676 2.769 2.767 2.629 2.614 2.601 2.680 2.812 2.881 060403 2.617 2.639 2.731 2.727 2.593 2.578 2.579 2.629 2.753 2.812 060327 2.565 2.586 2.700 2.681 2.536 2.523 2.528 2.601 2.698 2.727 060320 2.581 2.606 2.702 2.697 2.558 2.533 2.552 2.608 2.716 2.738 060313 2.543 2.567 2.687 2.681 2.507 2.491 2.497 2.566 2.725 2.747 060306 2.545 2.571 2.656 2.682 2.516 2.500 2.499 2.545 2.711 2.739 060227 2.471 2.493 2.593 2.593 2.441 2.417 2.443 2.509 2.623 2.688 060220 2.455 2.487 2.593 2.580 2.437 2.398 2.427 2.497 2.594 2.674 060213 2.476 2.509 2.617 2.591 2.464 2.419 2.447 2.500 2.621 2.709 060206 2.499 2.536 2.659 2.618 2.490 2.445 2.463 2.503 2.645 2.739 060130 2.489
Re: [MBZ] Noisy 300D engine
Peter, I would think that the engine may be carboned up and need a good run. However, new injectors WILL be noisier than older ones. Although you may prefer the smoother sound of older injectors, they are not doing them any favours. If you're hearing a nice sharp clack clack clack, then it is your new injectors doing what they need to do. Jeff Zedic Toronto/London
Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine
Luther put me in line or one please if you are so inclined Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine It'll have to be after Thanksgiving. I'm leaving town Wed night and returning (via Kaleb's) on Sunday. The next week is busy, but I think I'll have time to visit there On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:00:48 -0600, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:37:19 -0600 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh, I'm gonna have to get by the place and see how many they have in stock. Package size is 27x21x16 and 58lbs according to the manual. My ship zip will be 72901 if you want to check your own shipping. I was wrong in a previous email about the manufacture date. Found a date code of 03/02/94, so it's not that old school Any more info on this, Luther? Craig -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] serpentine belt drives
Does anyone know what the maximum allowable out of round dimension is for the alternator, water pump or power steering pump? I am presently getting .2mm on the water pump, .1 for the power steering pump and .1 for the alternator. I am trying to eliminate the vibration on the serpentine belt tensioner. Constantine
Re: [MBZ] 400,000 miles and still ticking
Well, I am sort of going on the basis of the fact that the diesel engine is pretty heavy. It will require quite a boat and so I am thinking displacement hull maybe rather than planing hull. It is not going to put out high horsepower but has pretty good torque which is probably what we want for turning the prop anyway. Diesel can of course be fairly noisy so we will need to put a dandy cover over the motor to keep the noise down. I like the idea but like everything else, it would need some time and money. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400,000 miles and still ticking OM 603: It could be fast and quiet At 05:24 PM 11/16/2006, you wrote: You can do wonders with fiberglass, bondo, sheet metal, pop rivets, screws etc., so long as the undercarriage is safe. How about swapping the drive train into something worthy in due course? I keep thinking I would like an MB Diesel in a boat of some sort. Might be slow and noisy but it would have a certain panache. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400,000 miles and still ticking A LONG way, based on my 300k inspection. Unfortunately, it had cancer when i got it. The cancer was in remission for 6 years, (after throwing 2 grand at it) but now has come back, and I don't have the money to try putting it into remission again. So we are just cruising along. It will die of cancer some year, but until then we are cruising. 21 years in the rust belt is still pretty respectable. At 05:00 PM 11/16/2006, you wrote: Keep changing that oil. Who knows how far it may go? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 400,000 miles and still ticking Since K'leb is gracious enough to let us slip a picture in once in a while, I thought some folks might like this one. It was taken when my 86 SDL rolled up 400,000 miles. It is a wonderful car. Loren Faeth ___
Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine
Can you phone them and get them to hold however many they have for you? As I said a while back, I will take one if they are available. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prestone Flush Fill Machine Only problem with that is I'm not sure what inventory is still at the store and they close at 6pm every day...grrr, busy schedules On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:52:43 -0600, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther, Get everyone who wants you to buy something for them to send you the money now with their request. It will make your obligations to them much more straightforward. I sure wouldn't have the cash available to buy a bunch of inventory. Chris K Cayce, SC -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headaches
Not true. I got a headache from the throbbing 1980 300D. The 83 and 85 have no such problems and are relatively quiet... despite far greater mileage. I'm not sure what's not true but I do know that my '78 300D was very noisy at speed and it wasn't nailing but intake roar. One design fault was the forward end of the engine air intake was just behind the front edge of the hood. I modified it by moving the aircleaner intake to the side, adding a new 90 deg duct into an Oldsmobile diesel intake muffler and moved the OE intake forward a bit just to the edge of the hood. These two things reduced the intake roar to a more tolerable level. There is a very good reason why later diesels (including the Sprinter van) have their intakes through slots in the RF fender. RLE
[MBZ] Interesting
Just talked to my Indy, I'd been putting off doing the voltage regulator and finally my 190D decided it REALLY needed doing. Figured it was better for him to do it... He says You've got no vacuum which I'd sort of noticed. Interestingly he can't get the car to shut off at all which fits with what I was finding when the car was cold but once it warms up its fine, shuts right off like it should. He says he put his gauge on and got no vacuum on the big line to the brake booster and just 2 on the small line... Whats interesting is that when I drove it over this morning it was normal for me like it usually is, hard brakes until I'd run it up to 3000rpm or so and no problem shutting off when I got there. Anyway, I guess I should put a vacuum pump in it. Fortunately I've been socking away a little cash against this... -Curt - Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo - Calculate new house payment From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 21 21:06:43 2006 Received: from mailout3.parasun.com ([204.174.16.211]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GmcpG-uV-MR for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:06:43 + Received: from rrcs-24-39-222-124.nys.biz.rr.com ([24.39.222.124] helo=user4ykwxvt62x) by mailout3.parasun.com with smtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Gmcn8-0005R9-3q for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:04:30 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:04:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clay X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:06:43 - Hey my Yiddish isn't as rough as I thought.. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clay He said: Automotive clay works like a miracle but be prepared to spend all afternoon or all day tediously massaging it into the finish to remove the scratches. I replied: Since clay does not remove scratches, I can see why you spent all afternoon. It removes all surface schmutz, and that's all. He replied: Correction: It works great on overspray. My final comment: That's no correction since clay was invented for overspray removal which is in fact surface schmutz. Overspray is not scratches which still have to be polished out with an abrasive such as Griot's Fine Polish. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Think a wagon is the way to go.
I'm pretty new to the list, and for the most part, sitting back and trying to read as many posts as I can and just soak it all up. :-) After talking to one of my Porsche friends on the list about some benz models, I think I have settled on an E class wagon. I still can remember the chassis numbers, but they are ones that started in the mid to later 80s, then changed body style and ended in 00 I think? I'm just keeping an eye on eBay to try to get an idea of what I should pay. I'd like something with about 80-90K miles, nice and clean and no crashes. I'll keep looking and get back to the list when I narrow it down and see something I like. A friend had a SD years ago, and I loved that car!! I'd like one too, but at this time, I think the wagon fits the bill better. I currenly have an old ford wagon to the pets, guitars and amps around in, so the benz will replace that car. If running an old benz works out ok, I'll have my dad replace his car with a wagon too; anything to keep him out of an SUV. lol. I'll keep you all updated. Zeb
Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes 500SEL
Thank you Kaleb. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes 500SEL Listen for timing chain rattles when first started cold. If it does for a second or 2, chain and tensioner needs to be replaced right away. Other than that, great cars. Around those miles, if the injectors and chain have not been replaced, they will need it soon. MICHAEL ESH wrote: What are the cautions about this car. Looking at one for $2500 - One owner, no rust, 197,000 miles, well cared for. Thanks in advance, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Window Shopping.
As I've mentioned, I'm in the market for an older wagon, but thought I'd do a little window shopping as I haven't been to the dealer in a while. I went to look at the S550 sedan, but while there, they were road testing a new CL550. I have a number of pics off the net of this car, and I can say, while it looks pretty good in the pics, it looks much better in the flesh!! Just a really nice package. Once that car left for a road test, I wandered inside to check out an SLR. It is a real Q ship in that unless you really know what you are looking at, it doesn't really stand out all that much. I personally like the car for that reason, but I would like the interior to look a little richer. Some of the interior parts just look cheap to me. I have seen a few around town now, and they have a great rumble at idle and lower speeds. I haven't heard one really wound out in person, so not sure, but from the videos I've seen of them drive on tracks, they sounds very unique when pushed. The rotors are so pretty, they sould be hanging on a wall in a gallery. Well, that was my day window shopping, so back to reality and looking for that old wagon. hee hee. Take care everyone, Zeb
Re: [MBZ] cheap 95 wagon
Kaleb wrote: yes, I hear you. OK Don wrote: But it doesn't prevent us from expressing our often heart felt opinions, at least on the Diesel/gasoline question. Then there are those schizophrenic list members (myself included) who profess a preference, but own and maintain both There is a third group. Those who have had diesels and gas cars and are searching for that next perfect diesel. Hey, Ok Don, How is the old car holding up? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K
Re: [MBZ] Think a wagon is the way to go.
123 wagons are up to 1985, 124 wagons after 86. The only federal model with a Diesel is the 87 300TD, of which only a few were imported. You can buy some very nice 300TE wagons from 92-95 or so for $4-5000. I have had both 123 and 124 wagons in both gas and Diesel in each variant. I bought an 88 TE on ebay for cheap, but it has taken a lot of money to turn it into a decent car. In general, the 123s are stately and dependable. The 124 is more sporty, obviously newer, and somewhat more expensive to maintain. an 87 300TD will usually go for $7500 or more because of the rarity. I know this is sacrilege, but i think the gasser is a better value. I am a 35 year inveterate Dieseller, but now, owning both an 87 TD and an 88 TE, i am impressed with the gasser. Of course, the TD is always impressive. Wifey primarily drives the wagons, so it is not too important to me. I still drive my Dissel. After 15 years or so with ALL diesel vehicles, the gasser has been better than i expected. At 03:15 PM 11/21/2006, you wrote: I'm pretty new to the list, and for the most part, sitting back and trying to read as many posts as I can and just soak it all up. :-) After talking to one of my Porsche friends on the list about some benz models, I think I have settled on an E class wagon. I still can remember the chassis numbers, but they are ones that started in the mid to later 80s, then changed body style and ended in 00 I think? I'm just keeping an eye on eBay to try to get an idea of what I should pay. I'd like something with about 80-90K miles, nice and clean and no crashes. I'll keep looking and get back to the list when I narrow it down and see something I like. A friend had a SD years ago, and I loved that car!! I'd like one too, but at this time, I think the wagon fits the bill better. I currenly have an old ford wagon to the pets, guitars and amps around in, so the benz will replace that car. If running an old benz works out ok, I'll have my dad replace his car with a wagon too; anything to keep him out of an SUV. lol. I'll keep you all updated. Zeb ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Nailing
Does anyone know what model of Racor filter set up to purchase? Anyone recently install a Racor filter? I've had this issue with my 240D since I purchased it 8 1/2 years ago. 120k miles and a new set of injectors three years ago have not changed a thing. TIA Fred Johnson Chicago 1977 240D 1983 300SD 1991 A-R 164L 1996 Civic --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on 120K miles in my '78 300D from new, nailing (rat-a-tat) sounds were caused by bad spray patterns which were caused (for one thing) by water passing through the nozzles and deforming the holes. It's not necessarily a steady sound but more random and very annoying. That's why my car had thirteen warranty injector replacements in 50K miles after which I installed a Racor water separator which completely ended the problem until I sold the car at 120K miles. There will now be posted several stuff and nonsense rebuttals to this and my reply will be that my post is based on personal hands-on experience. BTW, as I recall when my car was around, the injector pop-off pressure was 1750psi for the 300D whereas the 300SD was 2150psi, according to my dealer. And I recall that the turbo version was a much more even and slightly quieter combustion sound. I do know that any reasonably experienced diesel driver can tell the difference blindfolded. RLE Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre
Re: [MBZ] Nailing
Don't know if Rusty is into this sort of thing. These folks are: http://www.mercedessource.com/node/2156 Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred Johnson Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nailing Does anyone know what model of Racor filter set up to purchase? Anyone recently install a Racor filter? I've had this issue with my 240D since I purchased it 8 1/2 years ago. 120k miles and a new set of injectors three years ago have not changed a thing. TIA Fred Johnson Chicago 1977 240D 1983 300SD 1991 A-R 164L 1996 Civic --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on 120K miles in my '78 300D from new, nailing (rat-a-tat) sounds were caused by bad spray patterns which were caused (for one thing) by water passing through the nozzles and deforming the holes. It's not necessarily a steady sound but more random and very annoying. That's why my car had thirteen warranty injector replacements in 50K miles after which I installed a Racor water separator which completely ended the problem until I sold the car at 120K miles. There will now be posted several stuff and nonsense rebuttals to this and my reply will be that my post is based on personal hands-on experience. BTW, as I recall when my car was around, the injector pop-off pressure was 1750psi for the 300D whereas the 300SD was 2150psi, according to my dealer. And I recall that the turbo version was a much more even and slightly quieter combustion sound. I do know that any reasonably experienced diesel driver can tell the difference blindfolded. RLE Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
