Re: [MBZ] Death sats - was: Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
It seems than at Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:45:54 +0930, Hendrik wrote: Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing machine, I can hardly wait. Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes forum, when MB don't even make firearms? ...don't understand that there are people in the world who actually hate guns and find talk about these machines of death offensive. machines of death. In the USA, the number of deaths: 44000 due to automobile accidents 29500 due to firearms (including 16,000 _suicides_) http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/huge-toll-in-car-fatalities-in-us-goes-unnoticed/ http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html So are you referring to our cars when you say machines of death? Maybe you should be. Way to die, and the number of deaths in 2003 due to each - from: http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm All External Causes of Mortality 166,857 Motor-Vehicle Accidents,44,757 Intentional self-harm 31,484 Accidental poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances 19,457 Assault 17,732 Falls 17,229 Firearm (non-suicide) 12,267 Accidental asphyxiations (threats to breathing) 8,885 Complications of medical and surgical care 2,855 Maybe where you are the roads are safer. Or the chance of poison is less. Or gravity doesn't work so hard so a fall is less likely. I see three significant conclusions from this data. * The roads are much more dangerous than the guns. * If I choose to defend myself and my family, we are less likely to be one of the 17,000. * The risk of dieing from assault is less than death by poison and nearly the same as death from a fall - so why worry about assault protection. --Philip, owner of many machines of death - mostly W123s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
No we don't, we used too but had a shooting in Pt. Arthur in which a nutter got a hold of an unsecured assault rifle and shot 30+ people. Enter the genius Government and worla, a little old gun buyback scheme later and no more guns. Well, criminals still have guns but that is different, at least all those dangerous Farmers had to hand in all their overpowered, auto and most semi auto weapons. Said genius Government also decided to partly fund this $500 million buy back scheme by cutting spending in other areas such as mental health. This doesn't make sense to me but what would I know, I'm an idiot. Anyway all the honest gun owners sold their firearms to the Government and the rest buried them out the back somewhere. The criminals just doubled the price of illegal guns and it seems that is where we are at today. It is still possible to have a firearm but it is very difficult and it is still possible to buy illegal just about everything. It seems that whenever the cops raid the local Biker HQ they find the usual handguns, sawn offs, semi autos, a big wad of cash and drugs. Just like they used to before the grand buy back scheme. Heck, these days it is even illegal to carry a knife without lawful excuse. However in all fairness to the genius Government, we have not had a major shooting since, just little ones. Of course should a foreign nation ever decide to invade Oz we can count on our good friends the US of A and their arsenal to protect us. archer wrote: - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing machine, I can hardly wait. Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes forum, when MB don't even make firearms? --- Don't Australians have guns? Gerry ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Using Beer as gun oil, I recommend stout
You should move to England the home of Beer porrige, I remember when we first landed at Waterloo station we had to have a wee drink to get over all the customs BS. Anyway we find ourself a cosy little pup just around the corner, the publican offered a pint of his house speciality. Flat beer, I guess that was supposed to be a bit of a joke as Australians are known for their over-carbonated beers. My mate couldn't finish his, so I had to polish both off. However things where better in Ireland and their stouts are delicious, particularly Murphy's in Cork, best stout ever. However once again my mate was in trouble, like they say, when you think that the world is falling down around you, have a few stouts and then the world will fall out of you. OK Don wrote: Yes - no beer that you can see your fingers on the back side of the glass though is worth drinking. You can chew the best ones. . ___ Anyone disagree with these lists? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
Gerry, Here's something that might be of help. Note the * footnotes. http://www.gates.com/downloads/download_common.cfm?file=TBR05.pdffolder=brochure John On 8/18/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which Japanese/Korean cars are not valve benders? Thanks, Gerry - - Original Message - From: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manufacturers spend millions of dollars to publish owners manuals. The general public (those that can read) are not to blame. On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they are reliable, with a very severe caveat. You would think that it would be better known that these cars will just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. Brian On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redghost wrote: JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said to change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine. Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee, but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9Lso all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 miles a day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother when she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so I'm guessing a defective belt. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Death sats - was: Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
So you are trying to tell me that cars are designed to kill intentionally, I suppose you're argument would be that firearms are designed only for self defense? I suppose if you want to split hairs that is your prerogative but my way of looking at it that cars are designed to transport people from A to B and firearms are designed to fire a bullet at high speed at whatever you point them at. What idiots do with either I can't help. However if you want to dig into stats then go and look at the proportion of gun ownership and gun deaths. Apparently the US and Canada have a similar percentage of gun ownership but nowhere near the number of related gun deaths. Why is this so? I have my theories but this is not a gun discussion forum and as such might provoke as much hostility as discussing politics or religion. We are here primarily to discuss automotive things, particularly MB, but also talk about other things every now and then. I have had my knuckles rapped a few times for expressing my political views, the basis being that discussion on that subject can lead to heated arguments and as such I am happy to not impose my political or religious views here. This is called civility, hopefully I am given the same treatment when it comes to the subject of firearms. You just never know, if we really all work hard together then one day we can put away these machines of death and focus on the machines of life. Fmiser wrote: machines of death. In the USA, the number of deaths: 44000 due to automobile accidents 29500 due to firearms (including 16,000 _suicides_) http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/huge-toll-in-car-fatalities-in-us-goes-unnoticed/ http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html So are you referring to our cars when you say machines of death? Maybe you should be. Way to die, and the number of deaths in 2003 due to each - from: http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm All External Causes of Mortality 166,857 Motor-Vehicle Accidents, 44,757 Intentional self-harm 31,484 Accidental poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances 19,457 Assault 17,732 Falls 17,229 Firearm (non-suicide) 12,267 Accidental asphyxiations (threats to breathing) 8,885 Complications of medical and surgical care 2,855 Maybe where you are the roads are safer. Or the chance of poison is less. Or gravity doesn't work so hard so a fall is less likely. I see three significant conclusions from this data. * The roads are much more dangerous than the guns. * If I choose to defend myself and my family, we are less likely to be one of the 17,000. * The risk of dieing from assault is less than death by poison and nearly the same as death from a fall - so why worry about assault protection. --Philip, owner of many machines of death - mostly W123s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290151352486ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1 This person should be sued for a number of reasons but unfortunately bad taste is not possible. I wonder how Daimler feel about this? Although I do have secret fantasies about putting a Toyota front on my Mercs :-[ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
Consider the history of the 1911 .45 and its flawless performance in the military and there isn't much out there that can compete. I managed to get my hands on a postwar 1911 and I have to admit there is no question why it was so popular. As a happy medium though I prefer my .40 Sig as a home defense weapon simply because its easier to shoot and just as effective. Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:26 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law i'm a .45 acp lover myself, but this mystique of the miraculously devastating .45 is all nonsense. the traditional 230 grain subsonic .45 is a nice effective round, but it really won't knock an elephant 9 feet up into the air. and if you shoot someone in the finger with one and he falls down, it's probably because he's seen in the movies and thinks that's what you do when shot. and a modern, high pressure 9mm will kill a guy just as well. i personally like big bore guns (ask some of the kids about my .454), but carry a .380 in real life as the bigger guns just make my pants fall down at inopportune moments. On 8/17/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was being trained for familiarization with the Government .45, our instructor told us If you shoot someone with this pistol and hit him in the finger, it is going to knock him down. He also disproved the canard that the pistol is more dangerous to an adversary if you throw it than if you shoot it. The man could powder small rocks 50 yards away. My class learned to shoot pretty well if I remember correctly. Before the Brady Law went into effect, I felt a strange need to own a pistol the feds wouldn't know about. I was undecided between a Government .45 automatic, which I thought I knew about, and a .357 Magnum revolver. A gun store guy explained the difference thus: Suppose you were shooting it out with someone taking cover behind the corner of a brick building. The .357 Magnum will shoot through the builidng. The Government .45 will knock the building down. The 9 mm has low recoil, but it is nowhere near as powerful as either the Government .45 or the .357 Magnum. For maximum power and recoil, try a Ruger .44 Magnum, but that is another story. Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:26:02 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Bill, If all you are interested in is sport then you really need to consider a Ruger MKIII. They are wonderful shooting weapons, accurate reasonably cheap to feed because they shoot 22LR cartridges. If you have any ideas for home defense then consider a 45ACP from one of several manufactures. The bullet is huge (0.45 diameter) and slow and will stop your intruder. You don't want to kill him, just stop him - RIGHT NOW. And if he dies from the results of his own actions, then. Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks
Not quite as tacky as the old Rolls Royce looking front end on the Beatle trick, but tacky none the less . -Robert Hendrik wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290151352486ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1 This person should be sued for a number of reasons but unfortunately bad taste is not possible. I wonder how Daimler feel about this? Although I do have secret fantasies about putting a Toyota front on my Mercs :-[ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pinto Deja Vu
Living in Florida you get to see a lot of old cars still on the road. For example, I saw a Vega wagon the other day on the way to work. Think about how many of those are now working as fence posts after having been melted down for scrap. There is a Pacer I see regularly at the grocer's, too. I have to admit that I sort of liked the Pacer wagons. They were kind of retro cool, IMHO. Dan --- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a gawdawful pumpkin orange one here, sitting on a parking lot with a for sale sign in the window. Not a wagon though, a hatchback. Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here I go mentioning a Pinto Wagon in one of my posts this week. And then today, I drive over to Walley World and park beside one. There really is one left and someone is actually driving it! Maybe I should mention a Ferrari Testerossa. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
Having lived in the Midwest, San Francisco and now Florida, I can say without question that the Midwest was (is) best. Florida, at least the part of Florida I live in, is nothing short of Hell on Earth populated by idiots. Dan --- Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iowa is a very nice place to live. I grew up in WV, went to college in SC, and have lived since then in NC, VA, NC again, MA, FL, NYC, VA/DC, and FL once again. Iowa is definitely the nicest place I've had the opportunity to call home. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
No we don't, we used too but had a shooting in Pt. Arthur in which a nutter got a hold of an unsecured assault rifle and shot 30+ people. Enter the genius Government and worla, a little old gun buyback scheme later and no more guns. Well, criminals still have guns but that is different, at least all those dangerous Farmers had to hand in all their overpowered, auto and most semi auto weapons. Said genius Government also decided to partly fund this $500 million buy back scheme by cutting spending in other areas such as mental health. This doesn't make sense to me but what would I know, I'm an idiot. Anyway all the honest gun owners sold their firearms to the Government and the rest buried them out the back somewhere. The criminals just doubled the price of illegal guns and it seems that is where we are at today. It is still possible to have a firearm but it is very difficult and it is still possible to buy illegal just about everything. It seems that whenever the cops raid the local Biker HQ they find the usual handguns, sawn offs, semi autos, a big wad of cash and drugs. Just like they used to before the grand buy back scheme. Heck, these days it is even illegal to carry a knife without lawful excuse. However in all fairness to the genius Government, we have not had a major shooting since, just little ones. Of course should a foreign nation ever decide to invade Oz we can count on our good friends the US of A and their arsenal to protect us. -- You Aussies did a pretty good job of protecting yourselves, and indirectly, us in WW-2. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks
Little girl in Atlanta slid on wet pavement and squished the back end of my '67 200D. Body shop couldn't fix it and couldn't find a used back end. Bodyman took a bunch of measurements, took me out behind the shop, and showed me the back end of a car which he said could be welded on the 200D and would look real nice. I've forgotten which make it was. I would have let him do it except for my wife who was a real MB addict. She would get almost physically ill when the least little thing went wrong with her 240D. She might have divorced me when she saw what I had done to the 200D. I drilled some drain holes in the trunk floor and chained down the trunk lid. Drove it that way until it was sold. It would have been a fun car to drive; MB comin' and XXcar goin'. Gerry --- - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks Yeah but the RR grille on the VW is so over the top that in a way it is cool. Seriously though I do wonder whether there is a copyright infringment by placing an auto makers symbol on another car, I am pretty sure that the VW jobby did not have the RR symbol or the lady on the rad but I could be wrong. Alas even I can be wrong now and again and I have Roger just waiting to pounce when I am :-) Anyway I've got to leave bandwidth space for all the gun talk so should really stop going off topic with stuff like this. Harry is busy expressing his love for the Colt 1911, although even I must admit the M1911 is a good combat weapon. Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Not quite as tacky as the old Rolls Royce looking front end on the Beatle trick, but tacky none the less . -Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
Gerry, Here's something that might be of help. Note the * footnotes. http://www.gates.com/downloads/download_common.cfm?file=TBR05.pdffolder=brochure John --- Thanks, John. Gates.com would come up but not the above URL. Their server that handles this may be down for service, this being Sunday morning. I did a search and came up with this: Regular belt replacement is especially important on Acura and Honda engines because almost every one of these engines is an interference design! The only exceptions are the 3.2L V6 in the 1998 and newer Acura SLX models, and the 3.2L V6 in 1994 and up Passports. With Toyota, there is less risk of additional engine damage because the only Toyota interference engines are the older 1.5L Tercel, 2.4L Pickup and 1.8L Camry and Corolla engines. Apparently, Toyota engineers were more generous with combustion chamber clearances than Honda engineers. http://www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm - On 8/18/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which Japanese/Korean cars are not valve benders? Thanks, Gerry - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
Example of idiots? Florida in general has often been called a human jungle. Iowa and Washington/Oregon are my favorite states as well as central coastal California. Gerry - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having lived in the Midwest, San Francisco and now Florida, I can say without question that the Midwest was (is) best. Florida, at least the part of Florida I live in, is nothing short of Hell on Earth populated by idiots. Dan --- Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iowa is a very nice place to live. I grew up in WV, went to college in SC, and have lived since then in NC, VA, NC again, MA, FL, NYC, VA/DC, and FL once again. Iowa is definitely the nicest place I've had the opportunity to call home. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CarChip E/X,Blackbox for your car
This thing appears to be a data logger that plugs into your OBDII (if you have one) that lets you record and analyze whatever is going on in your car from whatever parameters you can capture from the computer. Would be easier maybe than fooling around with a GPS, and give you more info too. $160 Just don't let BigBro (or your kids) know you have it. --R http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/000999.php With the CarChip E/X plugged into your car, it records up to 300 hours of your driving data. In other words the CarChip acts like a car blackbox. Every trip you make is recorded. The information it records includes: time and date for each trip, distance, speed, hard accelerations and braking, and engine diagnostic trouble codes. In addition, you can pick four other parameters to record ranging from RPM, engine coolant temperature, throttle position, fuel pressure, battery voltage, etc. Using the included software, you can then graph out the data to show you how your vehicle is performing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks
A friend of mine was rear-ended years ago in his 74 Caddy. He had the rear sheet metal welded on from a 1959, the one with the very tall tail fins. The body shop actually did a respectable job and it actually looked good for a 59/74 (or 74/59, depending if you were coming or going) Fleetwood Cadillac. I wanted to chop the middle out of a Dodge mini-van and make it into a micro-mini-van. I figured I could remove the entire center section including the side door. Then I could install chrome rims, wide tires, loud stereo cruise the streets playing Barry Manilow and John Denver. Wife nix'd that one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 6:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks Little girl in Atlanta slid on wet pavement and squished the back end of my '67 200D. Body shop couldn't fix it and couldn't find a used back end. Bodyman took a bunch of measurements, took me out behind the shop, and showed me the back end of a car which he said could be welded on the 200D and would look real nice. I've forgotten which make it was. I would have let him do it except for my wife who was a real MB addict. She would get almost physically ill when the least little thing went wrong with her 240D. She might have divorced me when she saw what I had done to the 200D. I drilled some drain holes in the trunk floor and chained down the trunk lid. Drove it that way until it was sold. It would have been a fun car to drive; MB comin' and XXcar goin'. Gerry --- - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks Yeah but the RR grille on the VW is so over the top that in a way it is cool. Seriously though I do wonder whether there is a copyright infringment by placing an auto makers symbol on another car, I am pretty sure that the VW jobby did not have the RR symbol or the lady on the rad but I could be wrong. Alas even I can be wrong now and again and I have Roger just waiting to pounce when I am :-) Anyway I've got to leave bandwidth space for all the gun talk so should really stop going off topic with stuff like this. Harry is busy expressing his love for the Colt 1911, although even I must admit the M1911 is a good combat weapon. Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Not quite as tacky as the old Rolls Royce looking front end on the Beatle trick, but tacky none the less . -Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?
Thanks Marshall, I'll unplug it and hope it resets itself. Harry On 8/18/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Watkins wrote: Rob (welcome to the list) is trying to rob my thread (grin). My tick, tick is under the hood, not under the dash. It starts when the key is turned on and I guess it ticks all the time. What is the function of the unit just rear of the IP on a 603? Looking for help. Sounds like the cruise control actuator going CRAZY. I expect that is possible if the feedback loop becomes intermittent or opens. Try unplugging it. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks
Tom Hargrave wrote: A friend of mine was rear-ended years ago in his 74 Caddy. He had the rear sheet metal welded on from a 1959, the one with the very tall tail fins. The body shop actually did a respectable job and it actually looked good for a 59/74 (or 74/59, depending if you were coming or going) Fleetwood Cadillac. - ROFL! Would have loved to have seen that. - I wanted to chop the middle out of a Dodge mini-van and make it into a micro-mini-van. I figured I could remove the entire center section including the side door. Then I could install chrome rims, wide tires, loud stereo cruise the streets playing Barry Manilow and John Denver. Wife nix'd that one. -- If you would have cut it just in front of the back wheels and just behind the drivers seat, that would have been a very unique car; might have won some prizes in California. Probably would have looked something like a 1920s-30s Austin my brother-in-law owned. There was just enough room behind the front seats for two of us little kids to sit facing each other up against the back of the car. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks
That was the plan, maybe I'll still do it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks Tom Hargrave wrote: A friend of mine was rear-ended years ago in his 74 Caddy. He had the rear sheet metal welded on from a 1959, the one with the very tall tail fins. The body shop actually did a respectable job and it actually looked good for a 59/74 (or 74/59, depending if you were coming or going) Fleetwood Cadillac. - ROFL! Would have loved to have seen that. - I wanted to chop the middle out of a Dodge mini-van and make it into a micro-mini-van. I figured I could remove the entire center section including the side door. Then I could install chrome rims, wide tires, loud stereo cruise the streets playing Barry Manilow and John Denver. Wife nix'd that one. -- If you would have cut it just in front of the back wheels and just behind the drivers seat, that would have been a very unique car; might have won some prizes in California. Probably would have looked something like a 1920s-30s Austin my brother-in-law owned. There was just enough room behind the front seats for two of us little kids to sit facing each other up against the back of the car. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
On 8/19/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular belt replacement is especially important on Acura and Honda engines because almost every one of these engines is an interference design! The only exceptions are the 3.2L V6 in the 1998 and newer Acura SLX models, and the 3.2L V6 in 1994 and up Passports. Actually an Isuzu engine... that's why. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Death sats - was: Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
us spec airbags are designed to kill. my 10 year old wants to know why her government wants her dead. i told her it isn't personally as they want us all to fear death from them another means of control. On 8/19/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you are trying to tell me that cars are designed to kill intentionally, I suppose you're argument would be that firearms are designed only for self defense? I suppose if you want to split hairs that is your prerogative but my way of looking at it that cars are designed to transport people from A to B and firearms are designed to fire a bullet at high speed at whatever you point them at. What idiots do with either I can't help. However if you want to dig into stats then go and look at the proportion of gun ownership and gun deaths. Apparently the US and Canada have a similar percentage of gun ownership but nowhere near the number of related gun deaths. Why is this so? I have my theories but this is not a gun discussion forum and as such might provoke as much hostility as discussing politics or religion. We are here primarily to discuss automotive things, particularly MB, but also talk about other things every now and then. I have had my knuckles rapped a few times for expressing my political views, the basis being that discussion on that subject can lead to heated arguments and as such I am happy to not impose my political or religious views here. This is called civility, hopefully I am given the same treatment when it comes to the subject of firearms. You just never know, if we really all work hard together then one day we can put away these machines of death and focus on the machines of life. Fmiser wrote: machines of death. In the USA, the number of deaths: 44000 due to automobile accidents 29500 due to firearms (including 16,000 _suicides_) http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/huge-toll-in-car-fatalities-in-us-goes-unnoticed/ http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html So are you referring to our cars when you say machines of death? Maybe you should be. Way to die, and the number of deaths in 2003 due to each - from: http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm All External Causes of Mortality 166,857 Motor-Vehicle Accidents, 44,757 Intentional self-harm 31,484 Accidental poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances 19,457 Assault 17,732 Falls 17,229 Firearm (non-suicide) 12,267 Accidental asphyxiations (threats to breathing) 8,885 Complications of medical and surgical care 2,855 Maybe where you are the roads are safer. Or the chance of poison is less. Or gravity doesn't work so hard so a fall is less likely. I see three significant conclusions from this data. * The roads are much more dangerous than the guns. * If I choose to defend myself and my family, we are less likely to be one of the 17,000. * The risk of dieing from assault is less than death by poison and nearly the same as death from a fall - so why worry about assault protection. --Philip, owner of many machines of death - mostly W123s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
Oy gevalt! You can't imagine the idiots, although many of them are from out of state... Haven't lived in Iowa, but did some work in Des Moines and northern Iowa (for Winnebago in Mason City.) Washington and Oregon are nice in the summer, but I'm not sure i could put up with the cloud cover from October to April. I did a lot of work in Portland and Seattle, and in the summer when the weather was clear they were truly beautiful places to be. I liked Portland the best. In the winter - yuck! I would love to live in San Luis Obispo. That, outside of the Sierra foothills around Auburn, CA, is one of the most beautiful places in the Lower 48 that isn't a national park. I was there a number of times to do some hush-hush work on OTHB radar sites in the mountains above Atascadero. From some of the sites you could see well out into the Pacific in one direction, and in the other, all the way to the Sierras. sigh Dan --- archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Example of idiots? Florida in general has often been called a human jungle. Iowa and Washington/Oregon are my favorite states as well as central coastal California. Gerry Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Death sats - was: Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
Gary - are you going to cover her therapy costs when she get older? Or just supply her with foil helmets? grin MacDan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: us spec airbags are designed to kill. my 10 year old wants to know why her government wants her dead. i told her it isn't personally as they want us all to fear death from them another means of control. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Death sats - was: Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
Actually, none of these items are designed to kill including firearms, airbags, cars, etc. And to get down to just firearms - they are design to launch a projectile, very fast very accurately. It's people who choose to use them to kill. I personally have had many hours of fun on a shooting range. And never once was a thought made towards killing someone or something. We just practiced our sport (yes, anti-gun activists, shooting a handgun is a sport) and we had an all around good time. When we were done, we packed everything safely away in their cases, took the weapons home then carefully cleaned them put them away. I see no difference between shooting a hand gun responsibly and any other sport. Now, could these weapons kill? Not by themselves. A PERSON could point my Ruger Blackhawk at you pull the trigger put an entrance wound in you the size of a quarter an exit would the size of a small plate you would be dead in a matter of seconds. But the PERSON killed you, not the handgun. He could have used an axe, a car, a knife, a bow arrow, a fishing rod (yes, even a fishing rod - it might take a while) or Tie Kwon Do (which I study) to the same effect. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 11:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Death sats - was: Now: Mobil 1 gun oil us spec airbags are designed to kill. my 10 year old wants to know why her government wants her dead. i told her it isn't personally as they want us all to fear death from them another means of control. On 8/19/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you are trying to tell me that cars are designed to kill intentionally, I suppose you're argument would be that firearms are designed only for self defense? I suppose if you want to split hairs that is your prerogative but my way of looking at it that cars are designed to transport people from A to B and firearms are designed to fire a bullet at high speed at whatever you point them at. What idiots do with either I can't help. However if you want to dig into stats then go and look at the proportion of gun ownership and gun deaths. Apparently the US and Canada have a similar percentage of gun ownership but nowhere near the number of related gun deaths. Why is this so? I have my theories but this is not a gun discussion forum and as such might provoke as much hostility as discussing politics or religion. We are here primarily to discuss automotive things, particularly MB, but also talk about other things every now and then. I have had my knuckles rapped a few times for expressing my political views, the basis being that discussion on that subject can lead to heated arguments and as such I am happy to not impose my political or religious views here. This is called civility, hopefully I am given the same treatment when it comes to the subject of firearms. You just never know, if we really all work hard together then one day we can put away these machines of death and focus on the machines of life. Fmiser wrote: machines of death. In the USA, the number of deaths: 44000 due to automobile accidents 29500 due to firearms (including 16,000 _suicides_) http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/huge-toll-in-car-fatalities-in-u s-goes-unnoticed/ http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html So are you referring to our cars when you say machines of death? Maybe you should be. Way to die, and the number of deaths in 2003 due to each - from: http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm All External Causes of Mortality 166,857 Motor-Vehicle Accidents, 44,757 Intentional self-harm 31,484 Accidental poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances 19,457 Assault 17,732 Falls 17,229 Firearm (non-suicide) 12,267 Accidental asphyxiations (threats to breathing) 8,885 Complications of medical and surgical care 2,855 Maybe where you are the roads are safer. Or the chance of poison is less. Or gravity doesn't work so hard so a fall is less likely. I see three significant conclusions from this data. * The roads are much more dangerous than the guns. * If I choose to defend myself and my family, we are less likely to be one of the 17,000. * The risk of dieing from assault is less than death by poison and nearly the same as death from a fall - so why worry about assault protection. --Philip, owner of many machines of death - mostly W123s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see
Re: [MBZ] Death sats - was: Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
yeah, it's funny dan when your government wants to kill women and children for absolutely no reason beyond because they can . just makes me proud to be an american. i understand killing iraqi children because, y'know, they are just effin towel heads anyway so why not let our boys have a fun outlet for their sadistic tendencies, but they go too far in their desire to murder their own children. On 8/19/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary - are you going to cover her therapy costs when she get older? Or just supply her with foil helmets? grin MacDan --- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: us spec airbags are designed to kill. my 10 year old wants to know why her government wants her dead. i told her it isn't personally as they want us all to fear death from them another means of control. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks
I saw one of those last week in KY when I was visiting my dad. I don't think it was a runner, but someone had taken out the center section of some sort of little van (not a full size, like one of those tiny jap delivery vans). Thing had about a 5 ft wheelbase if that. Looked kinda funny, they use it for a billboard in front of their business. I shoulda snapped a pic of it. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: I wanted to chop the middle out of a Dodge mini-van and make it into a micro-mini-van. I figured I could remove the entire center section including the side door. Then I could install chrome rims, wide tires, loud stereo cruise the streets playing Barry Manilow and John Denver. Wife nix'd that one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Using Beer as gun oil, I recommend stout
is it good for lubing tinfoil helmets? On 8/19/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should move to England the home of Beer porrige, I remember when we first landed at Waterloo station we had to have a wee drink to get over all the customs BS. Anyway we find ourself a cosy little pup just around the corner, the publican offered a pint of his house speciality. Flat beer, I guess that was supposed to be a bit of a joke as Australians are known for their over-carbonated beers. My mate couldn't finish his, so I had to polish both off. However things where better in Ireland and their stouts are delicious, particularly Murphy's in Cork, best stout ever. However once again my mate was in trouble, like they say, when you think that the world is falling down around you, have a few stouts and then the world will fall out of you. OK Don wrote: Yes - no beer that you can see your fingers on the back side of the glass though is worth drinking. You can chew the best ones. . ___ Anyone disagree with these lists? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Using Beer as gun oil, I recommend stout
Only if you hammer the tinfoil out from spent rounds that were originally cast in Ireland shot at someone by the IRA. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 11:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Using Beer as gun oil, I recommend stout is it good for lubing tinfoil helmets? On 8/19/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should move to England the home of Beer porrige, I remember when we first landed at Waterloo station we had to have a wee drink to get over all the customs BS. Anyway we find ourself a cosy little pup just around the corner, the publican offered a pint of his house speciality. Flat beer, I guess that was supposed to be a bit of a joke as Australians are known for their over-carbonated beers. My mate couldn't finish his, so I had to polish both off. However things where better in Ireland and their stouts are delicious, particularly Murphy's in Cork, best stout ever. However once again my mate was in trouble, like they say, when you think that the world is falling down around you, have a few stouts and then the world will fall out of you. OK Don wrote: Yes - no beer that you can see your fingers on the back side of the glass though is worth drinking. You can chew the best ones. . ___ Anyone disagree with these lists? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
I think most companies that were able, made some supplies for the war. Many made the .45, including Singer, the sewing machine company. I also helped work on restoring a plane that had V12 Merlins made by Maytag, the washing machine company. hee hee. I think Packard made them too, and the word was, the Packards were better. I would like to add one quick word on guns. Up here in the north, we are not allowed to keep guns for home or personal defence. However, most ppl here that do belong to handgun clubs, you will find in general have an interest in mechanical things, and it's not unusual to talk to those in clubs and they also have an interest in other mechanical things. Another very commom interest for those into handguns here are cameras, the older pre digital ones. I have always enjoyed guns for their craftsmanship and fine mechanical engineering. It is amazing to think that a gun, will shoot thousands of rounds, under huge pressures, and will do so for decades, with very very few failures. Ofcourse, this is very different to the discussion on weapons for self and home defence, of which I also have opinions, but I'm sure no one really cares about one way or the other. :-) Ed 300E On 18/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that if you do your research that you will find that Mercedes did make fire arms during WW2. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 8/18/07 9:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing machine, I can hardly wait. Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes forum, when MB don't even make firearms? I don't mind the odd off topic discussion but as always when the chatter comes around to guns in goes on and on and on and it is always the same discussion, just a different way around. I do not make a habit of jumping on people if posts are off topic but enough is enough. I know those of you who have a 44 lying next to the keyboard, in case someone invades your home, don't understand that there are people in the world who actually hate guns and find talk about these machines of death offensive. Yeah I spose you do know that and are just waiting your chance to cull the herd to make it stronger but hate breeds hate. I wouldn't mind a discussion of why the US has this culture of violence but that might not be what people want to get into and this may not be the place for that. Rich Thomas wrote: What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh, car!!? Yeah, that's the ticket! --Rr Wonko the Sane wrote: I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something other than guns and penis size. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
watch guys, car guys, camera guys -- tons of overlap. watch guys and pen guys for reasons i can't fathom. watch guys tend to be car guys. gun guys might be more a political statement than linking o the rest, at least it is with me. On 8/19/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think most companies that were able, made some supplies for the war. Many made the .45, including Singer, the sewing machine company. I also helped work on restoring a plane that had V12 Merlins made by Maytag, the washing machine company. hee hee. I think Packard made them too, and the word was, the Packards were better. I would like to add one quick word on guns. Up here in the north, we are not allowed to keep guns for home or personal defence. However, most ppl here that do belong to handgun clubs, you will find in general have an interest in mechanical things, and it's not unusual to talk to those in clubs and they also have an interest in other mechanical things. Another very commom interest for those into handguns here are cameras, the older pre digital ones. I have always enjoyed guns for their craftsmanship and fine mechanical engineering. It is amazing to think that a gun, will shoot thousands of rounds, under huge pressures, and will do so for decades, with very very few failures. Ofcourse, this is very different to the discussion on weapons for self and home defence, of which I also have opinions, but I'm sure no one really cares about one way or the other. :-) Ed 300E On 18/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that if you do your research that you will find that Mercedes did make fire arms during WW2. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 8/18/07 9:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing machine, I can hardly wait. Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes forum, when MB don't even make firearms? I don't mind the odd off topic discussion but as always when the chatter comes around to guns in goes on and on and on and it is always the same discussion, just a different way around. I do not make a habit of jumping on people if posts are off topic but enough is enough. I know those of you who have a 44 lying next to the keyboard, in case someone invades your home, don't understand that there are people in the world who actually hate guns and find talk about these machines of death offensive. Yeah I spose you do know that and are just waiting your chance to cull the herd to make it stronger but hate breeds hate. I wouldn't mind a discussion of why the US has this culture of violence but that might not be what people want to get into and this may not be the place for that. Rich Thomas wrote: What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh, car!!? Yeah, that's the ticket! --Rr Wonko the Sane wrote: I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something other than guns and penis size. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
I know what you mean about the cloud cover. I lived across the river from Portland in the hills outside of Vancouver for a few years. I was traveling for work, and every time I was heading home with plans, everything was soggy and gray . It got old pretty quick I'll never forget my well adapted native neighbor, standing in his driveway in shorts with the barbecue fired upwith freezing rain coming down. When I looked at him, he just smiled and said It's the first day of spring ---Robert LWB250 wrote: Oy gevalt! You can't imagine the idiots, although many of them are from out of state... Haven't lived in Iowa, but did some work in Des Moines and northern Iowa (for Winnebago in Mason City.) Washington and Oregon are nice in the summer, but I'm not sure i could put up with the cloud cover from October to April. I did a lot of work in Portland and Seattle, and in the summer when the weather was clear they were truly beautiful places to be. I liked Portland the best. In the winter - yuck! I would love to live in San Luis Obispo. That, outside of the Sierra foothills around Auburn, CA, is one of the most beautiful places in the Lower 48 that isn't a national park. I was there a number of times to do some hush-hush work on OTHB radar sites in the mountains above Atascadero. From some of the sites you could see well out into the Pacific in one direction, and in the other, all the way to the Sierras. sigh Dan --- archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Example of idiots? Florida in general has often been called a human jungle. Iowa and Washington/Oregon are my favorite states as well as central coastal California. Gerry Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Stuck wheel!!!!!
Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil
Hotdogs: Beginning with the best were: Hebrew National kosher beef, Nathans Famous beef That is all I buy. The rest are butts guts. I have so spoiled my kids pallets that they won't eat any other hot dog and YES they CAN tell the difference. My 14 y/o son even likes onions and garlic. Oh, and steaks medium rare. To him, A-1 is sacrilege. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
I'll still take many parts of FL over VA and IN where I have lived. I was born and raised here so that probably slants my view. Where are you? BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live Having lived in the Midwest, San Francisco and now Florida, I can say without question that the Midwest was (is) best. Florida, at least the part of Florida I live in, is nothing short of Hell on Earth populated by idiots. Dan --- Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iowa is a very nice place to live. I grew up in WV, went to college in SC, and have lived since then in NC, VA, NC again, MA, FL, NYC, VA/DC, and FL once again. Iowa is definitely the nicest place I've had the opportunity to call home. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
I tend not to make political statements, they're all just tools and machines in my eyes. How you choose to use them is up to you. To seperate out the those who use guns for sport from the other mentioned hobbyist, may be more of a political statement than linking them all together. :-) Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: watch guys, car guys, camera guys -- tons of overlap. watch guys and pen guys for reasons i can't fathom. watch guys tend to be car guys. gun guys might be more a political statement than linking o the rest, at least it is with me. On 8/19/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think most companies that were able, made some supplies for the war. Many made the .45, including Singer, the sewing machine company. I also helped work on restoring a plane that had V12 Merlins made by Maytag, the washing machine company. hee hee. I think Packard made them too, and the word was, the Packards were better. I would like to add one quick word on guns. Up here in the north, we are not allowed to keep guns for home or personal defence. However, most ppl here that do belong to handgun clubs, you will find in general have an interest in mechanical things, and it's not unusual to talk to those in clubs and they also have an interest in other mechanical things. Another very commom interest for those into handguns here are cameras, the older pre digital ones. I have always enjoyed guns for their craftsmanship and fine mechanical engineering. It is amazing to think that a gun, will shoot thousands of rounds, under huge pressures, and will do so for decades, with very very few failures. Ofcourse, this is very different to the discussion on weapons for self and home defence, of which I also have opinions, but I'm sure no one really cares about one way or the other. :-) Ed 300E On 18/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that if you do your research that you will find that Mercedes did make fire arms during WW2. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 8/18/07 9:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing machine, I can hardly wait. Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes forum, when MB don't even make firearms? I don't mind the odd off topic discussion but as always when the chatter comes around to guns in goes on and on and on and it is always the same discussion, just a different way around. I do not make a habit of jumping on people if posts are off topic but enough is enough. I know those of you who have a 44 lying next to the keyboard, in case someone invades your home, don't understand that there are people in the world who actually hate guns and find talk about these machines of death offensive. Yeah I spose you do know that and are just waiting your chance to cull the herd to make it stronger but hate breeds hate. I wouldn't mind a discussion of why the US has this culture of violence but that might not be what people want to get into and this may not be the place for that. Rich Thomas wrote: What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh, car!!? Yeah, that's the ticket! --Rr Wonko the Sane wrote: I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something other than guns and penis size. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
Valrico, which is east of Tampa, east of I-75 301 about 9 miles, to be more specific. If it wasn't for the flora, fauna and architecture, you would think you were in the Midwest, considering the backgrounds of most of the people who live around me. I don't think there's a native Floridian in the bunch. I don't mind the place in general, I just hate the weather. it's simply too stinkin' hot 6+ months of the year to do anything outside. I would gladly trade for Wisconsin winters. Dan --- BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll still take many parts of FL over VA and IN where I have lived. I was born and raised here so that probably slants my view. Where are you? BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live Having lived in the Midwest, San Francisco and now Florida, I can say without question that the Midwest was (is) best. Florida, at least the part of Florida I live in, is nothing short of Hell on Earth populated by idiots. Dan --- Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iowa is a very nice place to live. I grew up in WV, went to college in SC, and have lived since then in NC, VA, NC again, MA, FL, NYC, VA/DC, and FL once again. Iowa is definitely the nicest place I've had the opportunity to call home. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil
I had never had a Nathan's hot dog in my life until last year. I am sold. There is no equal. Dan (who was the only Gentile in the neighborhood he grew up in) --- Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hotdogs: Beginning with the best were: Hebrew National kosher beef, Nathans Famous beef Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
And that certainly is true for the fall/winter months, but you have to admit, when the sun comes out and it warms up, the Portland area is a glorious place. I used to come out early for work and spend the weekends at Cannon Beach (token reference to weapons.) The first time I was in Portland was in December. I can recall driving down to the hotel (Holiday Inn down by the science museum/downtown) and as I descended the hills into the river valley, seeing everything so green around me. It was almost surreal, as I had a real winter mindset in my brain, and to see stuff all green and growing just seemed weird. I like the area south of Portland where all the hops are raised. That's cool - I had never seen hops growing before. Dan --- Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what you mean about the cloud cover. I lived across the river from Portland in the hills outside of Vancouver for a few years. I was traveling for work, and every time I was heading home with plans, everything was soggy and gray . It got old pretty quick I'll never forget my well adapted native neighbor, standing in his driveway in shorts with the barbecue fired upwith freezing rain coming down. When I looked at him, he just smiled and said It's the first day of spring Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil
The big question is, to steam or boil?? :-) I like to wash down my dogs with German wheat beer. Oh ya! ;-) Ed 300E On 19/08/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had never had a Nathan's hot dog in my life until last year. I am sold. There is no equal. Dan (who was the only Gentile in the neighborhood he grew up in) --- Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hotdogs: Beginning with the best were: Hebrew National kosher beef, Nathans Famous beef Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil
any one of the classic new york beef hotdogs are super good. a nathans grilled with kraut and a touch of mustard is really as good as it gets. the few times i've been to coney island (not a good neighborhood since lindsay and moses, two of the most evil men in the history of the rogues gallery that is public office, decided it would be fun to destroy), i've always ridden the cyclone and gotten food at nathan's. the good beef dogs like nathans, hebrew national and boar's head tend to be pretty expensive. but they are the only way to go. On 8/19/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had never had a Nathan's hot dog in my life until last year. I am sold. There is no equal. Dan (who was the only Gentile in the neighborhood he grew up in) --- Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hotdogs: Beginning with the best were: Hebrew National kosher beef, Nathans Famous beef Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil
The big question is, to steam or boil?? :-) Steam. I like to wash down my dogs with German wheat beer. Oh ya! ;-) Sadly, I know not when to say when, so Pepsi or IBC for me. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1
Somehow, I suspected that. Truly evil thinking, that is... Gary Thompson On 8/18/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something other than guns and penis size. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition Lock Housing Replacement
List- Has anyone ever replaced a Ignition Lock Housing (link below) on a 123 Chassis (240D) car? How did you do it? or, what page of what manual tells how it is done. Thank you, John Ingram 83 240D 245K http://catalog.worldpac.com/buymb/022406/wizard.jsp?header=http://www.buymbparts.com/header.txtfooter=http://www.buymbparts.com/footer.txtpartner=buymbclientid=buymbpartsbaseurl=http://www.buymbparts.com/cookieid=1UB1DFV6C25R12TQC2year=1983make=MBmodel=240-D-002category=Allpart=Ignition+Lock+Housing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1
How about discussing fishing? This should be a little more palletable subject for the anti-handgun folks. You know, the act of presenting a tasty bit of food to an unsuspect fish, only to snag sensitive mouth parts with a barbed hook, causing unimaginable amounts of pain, followed by dragging the fish out of the water by his hooked mouth? And finally, we add insult to injury by sliding the fish onto a nylon line or placing him in a cooler of ice water, allowing him to die a slow death. After all, we want him to be fresh when we get him home and scale him alive. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 8/19/07 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1 Somehow, I suspected that. Truly evil thinking, that is... Gary Thompson On 8/18/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something other than guns and penis size. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ioway
In places, but in others surprisingly hilly. On 8/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what's Iowa like at times other than presidential elections? Flat. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stuck wheel!!!!!
A very light coating of ant-iseize will work. I also put a very thin layer of anti-seize on the face of the hub when installing a new rotor, too. However, I've never seen a stuck alloy wheel with correctly torqued lug bolts. either. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. How could anti sieze hurt? Use it. I use it on just about everything unless the manufacturer specifies a sealer or adhesive on the bolt or joint. Anti sieze is one of the great inventions of the age of old cars. Don't put it on too thick, or it will run radially and could wind up splattered on the brake dust inside the rim. And the problem then would be ? Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Stuck wheel! E M [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hot dogs was Mobil 1 gun oil
John Boy and Billy advertise (fictional, I think) potted meat as Full of peckers and lips since 1938. Southern boys will know about John Boy and Billy. Others may not. Their loss. Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:26:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Hotdogs: Beginning with the best were: Hebrew National kosher beef, Nathans Famous beef That is all I buy. The rest are butts guts. I have so spoiled my kids pallets that they won't eat any other hot dog and YES they CAN tell the difference. My 14 y/o son even likes onions and garlic. Oh, and steaks medium rare. To him, A-1 is sacrilege. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
Yu have another problem - the wheel should sit flush with the hub with no interference. With the last one of these I had, the lip on the inside of the wheel was damaged. Adding anti-seize is just working around the issue. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:12 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. How could anti sieze hurt? Use it. I use it on just about everything unless the manufacturer specifies a sealer or adhesive on the bolt or joint. Anti sieze is one of the great inventions of the age of old cars. Don't put it on too thick, or it will run radially and could wind up splattered on the brake dust inside the rim. And the problem then would be ? Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Stuck wheel! E M [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stuck wheel!!!!!
Thanks Peter, This wheel was by no way torqued correctly!! I had to put a 3 foot piece of pipe on the wrench to get the bolts out!! Wonder the rotors didnt look like salad bowls, but them seem ok. I always do the back of the rotor where it meets the hug too. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very light coating of ant-iseize will work. I also put a very thin layer of anti-seize on the face of the hub when installing a new rotor, too. However, I've never seen a stuck alloy wheel with correctly torqued lug bolts. either. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
Robert Bigham wrote: I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. Usually caused by corrosion bonding between the wheel center hole and the hub. Give both a few strokes with a wire brush. I've had to loosen lugs and drive back and forth until the wheels pop loose before, almost always with aluminum wheels that hadn't been dislodged in a couple of years. Haven't yet met a MBZ wheel that I couldn't yank off by hand, but I'm sure it's possible. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
Hee hee, I should have proof read that Robert. I drove the car, and then allowed it to heat sink before before trying the bolts again!!! :-) Not even Im brave (stupid) enough to drive the car around withou any bolts holding on the wheels!!! ha ha ha. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. How could anti sieze hurt? Use it. I use it on just about everything unless the manufacturer specifies a sealer or adhesive on the bolt or joint. Anti sieze is one of the great inventions of the age of old cars. Don't put it on too thick, or it will run radially and could wind up splattered on the brake dust inside the rim. And the problem then would be ? Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Stuck wheel! E M [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:51:46 -0600, you wrote: On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:18:00 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi. I went to dealer with antifreeze dripping from tailpipe. He calls me back next afternoon, the car is ready! They swapped head gasket with out removing the head! I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked the car. We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem. Ok, how in the world did they do that? Which is? Craig 1) Drain Cooling system 2) Remove stuff on top of engine. 3) Unbolt Head, llift it about 1/2 inch. Slide out the old slide in the new Reverse assemble -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yu have another problem - the wheel should sit flush with the hub with no interference. With the last one of these I had, the lip on the inside of the wheel was damaged. Adding anti-seize is just working around the issue. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:12 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. How could anti sieze hurt? Use it. I use it on just about everything unless the manufacturer specifies a sealer or adhesive on the bolt or joint. Anti sieze is one of the great inventions of the age of old cars. Don't put it on too thick, or it will run radially and could wind up splattered on the brake dust inside the rim. And the problem then would be ? Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Stuck wheel! E M [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Rambo goes fishing
Sure as long as it is dynamite fishing. If it don't go bang it ain't no fun. Tom Hargrave wrote: How about discussing fishing? This should be a little more palletable subject for the anti-handgun folks. You know, the act of presenting a tasty bit of food to an unsuspect fish, only to snag sensitive mouth parts with a barbed hook, causing unimaginable amounts of pain, followed by dragging the fish out of the water by his hooked mouth? And finally, we add insult to injury by sliding the fish onto a nylon line or placing him in a cooler of ice water, allowing him to die a slow death. After all, we want him to be fresh when we get him home and scale him alive. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
Maybe too, we mercedes owners are a little more fussy with maintance and have the wheels off more often, so it's not such a problem. I nearly pulled the car off the axle stands before reaching for the hammer! :-) Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Bigham wrote: I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. Usually caused by corrosion bonding between the wheel center hole and the hub. Give both a few strokes with a wire brush. I've had to loosen lugs and drive back and forth until the wheels pop loose before, almost always with aluminum wheels that hadn't been dislodged in a couple of years. Haven't yet met a MBZ wheel that I couldn't yank off by hand, but I'm sure it's possible. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Rambo goes fishing
Not done that but I've done hand crank generator fishing. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Rambo goes fishing Sure as long as it is dynamite fishing. If it don't go bang it ain't no fun. Tom Hargrave wrote: How about discussing fishing? This should be a little more palletable subject for the anti-handgun folks. You know, the act of presenting a tasty bit of food to an unsuspect fish, only to snag sensitive mouth parts with a barbed hook, causing unimaginable amounts of pain, followed by dragging the fish out of the water by his hooked mouth? And finally, we add insult to injury by sliding the fish onto a nylon line or placing him in a cooler of ice water, allowing him to die a slow death. After all, we want him to be fresh when we get him home and scale him alive. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
Ed, when you are stopped in D with this high idle problem, you are putting extreme pressure on the transmission which will lead very shortly to a Ka Blamo of the transmission. Don't drive it until you can get this serious problem fixed. My 92 500SL is now sitting in my garage as undriveable until I can get the same problem fixed. My issue is a bad ETA. Again, your transmission is having a serious fight with the engine and guess who's going to win? On 8/19/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
When is the last time you tested your O2 sensor, in a KE car the O2 sensor is the most important input when the car is at operating range. If it is telling the system that the exhaust is lean then the FI computer will try and dump more fuel into the motor. However if this is an intermittent problem I would be looking at temp sensor going wonky, which will tell the idle adjustment motor to up the amount of air going into the motor. Air leak? Doubtful as it would be a constant thing and a vacuum tube leaking (which can be intermittent) wouldn't cause this amount of high idle. Just to explain this a bit more, in order to have a high smooth idle of 1700-2000 you need both more air and fuel, just having one will make the car run like a dog. So if you have an air leak on the other side of the air flow sensor plate then you will not have more fuel going into the engine and as such will have a lean mixture (lots of air but not enough fuel). How familiar are you with the CIS/E system? What you really wanna do is to reproduce the problem on demand by making the motor think it is cold when in fact it is at operating temp. If by doing this it goes up to the high idle you mentioned, then you know which circuit is being naughty. Also the later KE (KE3(?)) systems have a primitive fault code readout which is easy to do with the right equipment. Hopefully others will stop talking about you know what and help you out with your real MB problem. BTW is it a E300 or 300E, they are two very different cars with very different FI systems. E M wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
Hi John, yes, I'm sure you are right in that the added pressure is being transfered to the tranny, though of course you don't see the high rpm until the load is taken off the trans, and the car is parked. Funny enough, today, the problem seems to have been somewhat fixed, under similar driving conditions. I find these problems that come and go the most frustrating to trace! Ed 300E On 19/08/07, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, when you are stopped in D with this high idle problem, you are putting extreme pressure on the transmission which will lead very shortly to a Ka Blamo of the transmission. Don't drive it until you can get this serious problem fixed. My 92 500SL is now sitting in my garage as undriveable until I can get the same problem fixed. My issue is a bad ETA. Again, your transmission is having a serious fight with the engine and guess who's going to win? On 8/19/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
I last check the 02 with a dwell meter off the test terminal on the inside fender about a month ago. At that time, it was fine. I am somewhat familiar with a CIS system, not an expert, but have kind of a working knowledge of most of the systems. Not sure about the temp sensor though, as I don't think the CIS on my old 911SC has one, but I could be wrong?? Where would I look for and test the temp sensor on my car? It's a 1988 W124 with the 3litre gas engine. I don't think my car has the system whereby you can pull any codes, but again, I could be wrong. Thanks again for your help. If I can't figure it out, I can always take it out into a field and shoot it! hee hee Ed 300E...the high idle isn't the problem, is all the slow traffic. lol :-) On 19/08/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When is the last time you tested your O2 sensor, in a KE car the O2 sensor is the most important input when the car is at operating range. If it is telling the system that the exhaust is lean then the FI computer will try and dump more fuel into the motor. However if this is an intermittent problem I would be looking at temp sensor going wonky, which will tell the idle adjustment motor to up the amount of air going into the motor. Air leak? Doubtful as it would be a constant thing and a vacuum tube leaking (which can be intermittent) wouldn't cause this amount of high idle. Just to explain this a bit more, in order to have a high smooth idle of 1700-2000 you need both more air and fuel, just having one will make the car run like a dog. So if you have an air leak on the other side of the air flow sensor plate then you will not have more fuel going into the engine and as such will have a lean mixture (lots of air but not enough fuel). How familiar are you with the CIS/E system? What you really wanna do is to reproduce the problem on demand by making the motor think it is cold when in fact it is at operating temp. If by doing this it goes up to the high idle you mentioned, then you know which circuit is being naughty. Also the later KE (KE3(?)) systems have a primitive fault code readout which is easy to do with the right equipment. Hopefully others will stop talking about you know what and help you out with your real MB problem. BTW is it a E300 or 300E, they are two very different cars with very different FI systems. E M wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
The symptoms - high RPM when out of gear just means that the engine is being forced to run slower when in gear and all of that extra energy is being dumped into the transmission when it's in gear. And the torque converter is converting it into heat if it gets hot enough, you won't be going too far Ka Blamo of the transmission is a pretty accurate description of the failure that WILL OCCUR if you continue to drive the car without fixing the high idle problem. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle Hi John, yes, I'm sure you are right in that the added pressure is being transfered to the tranny, though of course you don't see the high rpm until the load is taken off the trans, and the car is parked. Funny enough, today, the problem seems to have been somewhat fixed, under similar driving conditions. I find these problems that come and go the most frustrating to trace! Ed 300E On 19/08/07, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, when you are stopped in D with this high idle problem, you are putting extreme pressure on the transmission which will lead very shortly to a Ka Blamo of the transmission. Don't drive it until you can get this serious problem fixed. My 92 500SL is now sitting in my garage as undriveable until I can get the same problem fixed. My issue is a bad ETA. Again, your transmission is having a serious fight with the engine and guess who's going to win? On 8/19/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
Ed, that's because the transmission is trying to bring the rpm's down to normal in D. Shift to N or P and you will see the RPM's move up the scale. Using the A/C will bring the RPM's down somewhat. When my problem first appeared, I would shift into N at a long stop light but that's not good for the driveline either as it clunks into D or R. And, i would have to shut it down in D as a precaution against dieseling, etc. John On 8/19/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, yes, I'm sure you are right in that the added pressure is being transfered to the tranny, though of course you don't see the high rpm until the load is taken off the trans, and the car is parked. Funny enough, today, the problem seems to have been somewhat fixed, under similar driving conditions. I find these problems that come and go the most frustrating to trace! Ed 300E On 19/08/07, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, when you are stopped in D with this high idle problem, you are putting extreme pressure on the transmission which will lead very shortly to a Ka Blamo of the transmission. Don't drive it until you can get this serious problem fixed. My 92 500SL is now sitting in my garage as undriveable until I can get the same problem fixed. My issue is a bad ETA. Again, your transmission is having a serious fight with the engine and guess who's going to win? On 8/19/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
Look at the small rectangular box that's attached to the side of the fuel distributor. It contains a reed valve the reed may be cracked. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle I last check the 02 with a dwell meter off the test terminal on the inside fender about a month ago. At that time, it was fine. I am somewhat familiar with a CIS system, not an expert, but have kind of a working knowledge of most of the systems. Not sure about the temp sensor though, as I don't think the CIS on my old 911SC has one, but I could be wrong?? Where would I look for and test the temp sensor on my car? It's a 1988 W124 with the 3litre gas engine. I don't think my car has the system whereby you can pull any codes, but again, I could be wrong. Thanks again for your help. If I can't figure it out, I can always take it out into a field and shoot it! hee hee Ed 300E...the high idle isn't the problem, is all the slow traffic. lol :-) On 19/08/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When is the last time you tested your O2 sensor, in a KE car the O2 sensor is the most important input when the car is at operating range. If it is telling the system that the exhaust is lean then the FI computer will try and dump more fuel into the motor. However if this is an intermittent problem I would be looking at temp sensor going wonky, which will tell the idle adjustment motor to up the amount of air going into the motor. Air leak? Doubtful as it would be a constant thing and a vacuum tube leaking (which can be intermittent) wouldn't cause this amount of high idle. Just to explain this a bit more, in order to have a high smooth idle of 1700-2000 you need both more air and fuel, just having one will make the car run like a dog. So if you have an air leak on the other side of the air flow sensor plate then you will not have more fuel going into the engine and as such will have a lean mixture (lots of air but not enough fuel). How familiar are you with the CIS/E system? What you really wanna do is to reproduce the problem on demand by making the motor think it is cold when in fact it is at operating temp. If by doing this it goes up to the high idle you mentioned, then you know which circuit is being naughty. Also the later KE (KE3(?)) systems have a primitive fault code readout which is easy to do with the right equipment. Hopefully others will stop talking about you know what and help you out with your real MB problem. BTW is it a E300 or 300E, they are two very different cars with very different FI systems. E M wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
The reason you don't see the high RPM is because the tranny is determining engine idle, in this type of situation the car can still be driven but it is advisable to shift into N but not P while stationary and shift into gear with your foot off the brake, which puts less strain on the drive train. Coming to a stop put the box into N before braking. E M wrote: Hi John, yes, I'm sure you are right in that the added pressure is being transfered to the tranny, though of course you don't see the high rpm until the load is taken off the trans, and the car is parked. Funny enough, today, the problem seems to have been somewhat fixed, under similar driving conditions. I find these problems that come and go the most frustrating to trace! Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Free Mac
My next door neighbor was given a free Mac recently. It's: - Power Mac G4 - EMC #1896 - S/N XB14315MKSL - 896 MB RAM (128 + 256 + 512) - 40 GB disk - CD-RW drive - ZIP drive - NV11 (whatever that is) - Boot ROM version 4.25f1 His questions are: - Can an ordinary IDE DVD-ROM drive be substituted for the CD-RW? If so, how does one get the old drive out and the new one in? - Can a second disk be added (the one in there looks like an IDE drive)? - Can an ordinary flat panel display be hooked up to the non-standard DVI connector on the graphics card? If so, how? - How much memory can be used? - Can the latest OS be loaded on the computer once it has a DVD-capable drive? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Free Mac
Hmm, assuming the G4 cases open like the BW G3 cases, there is a latch on the side, lift it up and the MB carrier and side will open out and down. You can then unclip the cover over the CD-RW drive. This will reveal a pair of retaining screw, take them out and unplug the cables, the entire carrier will slide out (may be spring clipped in, check). You can then remove the screw that hold the drive to the carrier and swap in a standard IDE DVD drive of your choice. Panasonic DVD-RWs are nice, and there are some LGs that handle DVD-RAM (can be used just like a standard hard drive) -- that's what I have in there. You can add another IDE drive, although it may be limited to 128 GB by the IDE drive chips, I'm not sure when this restriction was lifted -- remember, it only had a 40GB drive to start with! there will be a bracket for it. Make sure it's jumped as a slave drive. If you are going to install a new OS (easy once the DVD drive is installed), you can install it on either drive. Be prepared for a LONG wait as it optimizes -- you really want to get the updated version, or a single step updater (you can download them if you have broadband, it's very unlikely you can maintain a dialup connection long enough to get them intact). You can put at least as many 512 MB memory chips as there are slots -- but check to make sure they work, some Apples that age require 16 chip DIMMS, and will ignore half of the memory on 8 chip DIMMS. Match the one you have and you will be fine. Don't know about the DVI connection -- is there a standard VGA output as well? If not, it's DVI or get another video card that works. If this is too complicated, he can send it to me and I will dispose of it correctly for him! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Free Mac
Sounds like a Quicksilver, based on the boot ROM version and the video card. They should get a new Pioneer DVD-ROM drive from OWC. If you get one without the software bundle, it's about 30 bucks. Takes about 10 minutes to install. Instruction are supplied. It can handle up to two IDE drives, including the current boot drive. There is a drive cradle in the bottom of the case to the left of the boot drive. Any standard IDE drive will work, however, some of these models cannot recognize drives larger than 128MB without a newer controller card or software. I'm not sure I understand the question about the DVI connector, as I am not familiar with the NVIDIA GeForce 3, or if it has DVI. If not, it has a standard 15 pin VGA connector, so it should work. Three RAM slots for a total of 1.5G approximately (3 x 512MB) This type of RAM is not generic and should be purchased from a vendor familiar with Macs. Timing and chipsets are critical on these older models. Again, check with OWC (Other World Computing). Yes, however, OS X 10.4.9 is going to be the last to support these older machines, or so I hear. That's not a bad thing - it's the latest iteration of OS X, so you've got a long way to go before it becomes an anchor. Since they got it for free, if they want to put $250-$300 into it and buy a DVD drive, some more memory and a upgraded processor, this could be a very nice machine for a long time to come. They are in pretty good shape memory-wise, so unless they want to do something really memory intensive they're probably in good shape there. If they boot it up, have them click on the Apple in the upper left corner of the screen and click on About this Mac tell us what it says there. That will help to identify it more closely. MacDan --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My next door neighbor was given a free Mac recently. It's: - Power Mac G4 - EMC #1896 - S/N XB14315MKSL - 896 MB RAM (128 + 256 + 512) - 40 GB disk - CD-RW drive - ZIP drive - NV11 (whatever that is) - Boot ROM version 4.25f1 His questions are: - Can an ordinary IDE DVD-ROM drive be substituted for the CD-RW? If so, how does one get the old drive out and the new one in? - Can a second disk be added (the one in there looks like an IDE drive)? - Can an ordinary flat panel display be hooked up to the non-standard DVI connector on the graphics card? If so, how? - How much memory can be used? - Can the latest OS be loaded on the computer once it has a DVD-capable drive? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Rambo goes fishing
When I worked for Kohler we used to get calls on these really weird high cycle (180Hz) generators we made years ago for a concrete finishing company that used them to power those paddle things to smooth out slabs. Seems that the high frequency power works well when it comes to shocking fish, too. A number of state fish and wildlife departments used them in boats to shock fish so they could do fish counts. I guess it would stun the fish but not kill them. They would float to the surface for a short time, which allowed the FW people to do a count to check on numbers and species. zzzap! Saved a lot of money on worms, I guess. Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not done that but I've done hand crank generator fishing. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Rambo goes fishing Sure as long as it is dynamite fishing. If it don't go bang it ain't no fun. Tom Hargrave wrote: How about discussing fishing? This should be a little more palletable subject for the anti-handgun folks. You know, the act of presenting a tasty bit of food to an unsuspect fish, only to snag sensitive mouth parts with a barbed hook, causing unimaginable amounts of pain, followed by dragging the fish out of the water by his hooked mouth? And finally, we add insult to injury by sliding the fish onto a nylon line or placing him in a cooler of ice water, allowing him to die a slow death. After all, we want him to be fresh when we get him home and scale him alive. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil
Might I suggest a magazine subscription for his next birthday, in the interest of diversity and education? http://www.vegetariantimes.com/ On 8/19/07, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is all I buy. The rest are butts guts. I have so spoiled my kids pallets that they won't eat any other hot dog and YES they CAN tell the difference. My 14 y/o son even likes onions and garlic. Oh, and steaks medium rare. To him, A-1 is sacrilege. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Free Mac
What os is on it now? what is the processor speed? my thought is this. if you don't have 10.4 on it no, get a BNIB retail copy of os x 10.4.6 (about 80 bucks on ebay) and then get a superdrive (under 100 bucks) to replace the cd drive. ram is fine as is. you can add a big hard drive for like 60 bucks if you want one. you should be set for years for about 200 bucks. On 8/19/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My next door neighbor was given a free Mac recently. It's: - Power Mac G4 - EMC #1896 - S/N XB14315MKSL - 896 MB RAM (128 + 256 + 512) - 40 GB disk - CD-RW drive - ZIP drive - NV11 (whatever that is) - Boot ROM version 4.25f1 His questions are: - Can an ordinary IDE DVD-ROM drive be substituted for the CD-RW? If so, how does one get the old drive out and the new one in? - Can a second disk be added (the one in there looks like an IDE drive)? - Can an ordinary flat panel display be hooked up to the non-standard DVI connector on the graphics card? If so, how? - How much memory can be used? - Can the latest OS be loaded on the computer once it has a DVD-capable drive? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sacriledge, break out the pitchforks
That used to be a favorite trick with the VW Microbus, back in the day On 8/19/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw one of those last week in KY when I was visiting my dad. I don't think it was a runner, but someone had taken out the center section of some sort of little van (not a full size, like one of those tiny jap delivery vans). Thing had about a 5 ft wheelbase if that. Looked kinda funny, they use it for a billboard in front of their business. I shoulda snapped a pic of it. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: I wanted to chop the middle out of a Dodge mini-van and make it into a micro-mini-van. I figured I could remove the entire center section including the side door. Then I could install chrome rims, wide tires, loud stereo cruise the streets playing Barry Manilow and John Denver. Wife nix'd that one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
Hi Tom, How easy it is to take apart? I ask this without even having looked at it yet. Will I be required to buy any new bits to re-assemble it all? Thanks again, Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the small rectangular box that's attached to the side of the fuel distributor. It contains a reed valve the reed may be cracked. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle I last check the 02 with a dwell meter off the test terminal on the inside fender about a month ago. At that time, it was fine. I am somewhat familiar with a CIS system, not an expert, but have kind of a working knowledge of most of the systems. Not sure about the temp sensor though, as I don't think the CIS on my old 911SC has one, but I could be wrong?? Where would I look for and test the temp sensor on my car? It's a 1988 W124 with the 3litre gas engine. I don't think my car has the system whereby you can pull any codes, but again, I could be wrong. Thanks again for your help. If I can't figure it out, I can always take it out into a field and shoot it! hee hee Ed 300E...the high idle isn't the problem, is all the slow traffic. lol :-) On 19/08/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When is the last time you tested your O2 sensor, in a KE car the O2 sensor is the most important input when the car is at operating range. If it is telling the system that the exhaust is lean then the FI computer will try and dump more fuel into the motor. However if this is an intermittent problem I would be looking at temp sensor going wonky, which will tell the idle adjustment motor to up the amount of air going into the motor. Air leak? Doubtful as it would be a constant thing and a vacuum tube leaking (which can be intermittent) wouldn't cause this amount of high idle. Just to explain this a bit more, in order to have a high smooth idle of 1700-2000 you need both more air and fuel, just having one will make the car run like a dog. So if you have an air leak on the other side of the air flow sensor plate then you will not have more fuel going into the engine and as such will have a lean mixture (lots of air but not enough fuel). How familiar are you with the CIS/E system? What you really wanna do is to reproduce the problem on demand by making the motor think it is cold when in fact it is at operating temp. If by doing this it goes up to the high idle you mentioned, then you know which circuit is being naughty. Also the later KE (KE3(?)) systems have a primitive fault code readout which is easy to do with the right equipment. Hopefully others will stop talking about you know what and help you out with your real MB problem. BTW is it a E300 or 300E, they are two very different cars with very different FI systems. E M wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle
If its bad then the only solution is a replacement. The reed vibrates, modifying the fuel distributor lower chamber, adjusting your fuel mixture. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 8/19/07 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle Hi Tom, How easy it is to take apart? I ask this without even having looked at it yet. Will I be required to buy any new bits to re-assemble it all? Thanks again, Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the small rectangular box that's attached to the side of the fuel distributor. It contains a reed valve the reed may be cracked. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] high E300 gasser idle I last check the 02 with a dwell meter off the test terminal on the inside fender about a month ago. At that time, it was fine. I am somewhat familiar with a CIS system, not an expert, but have kind of a working knowledge of most of the systems. Not sure about the temp sensor though, as I don't think the CIS on my old 911SC has one, but I could be wrong?? Where would I look for and test the temp sensor on my car? It's a 1988 W124 with the 3litre gas engine. I don't think my car has the system whereby you can pull any codes, but again, I could be wrong. Thanks again for your help. If I can't figure it out, I can always take it out into a field and shoot it! hee hee Ed 300E...the high idle isn't the problem, is all the slow traffic. lol :-) On 19/08/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When is the last time you tested your O2 sensor, in a KE car the O2 sensor is the most important input when the car is at operating range. If it is telling the system that the exhaust is lean then the FI computer will try and dump more fuel into the motor. However if this is an intermittent problem I would be looking at temp sensor going wonky, which will tell the idle adjustment motor to up the amount of air going into the motor. Air leak? Doubtful as it would be a constant thing and a vacuum tube leaking (which can be intermittent) wouldn't cause this amount of high idle. Just to explain this a bit more, in order to have a high smooth idle of 1700-2000 you need both more air and fuel, just having one will make the car run like a dog. So if you have an air leak on the other side of the air flow sensor plate then you will not have more fuel going into the engine and as such will have a lean mixture (lots of air but not enough fuel). How familiar are you with the CIS/E system? What you really wanna do is to reproduce the problem on demand by making the motor think it is cold when in fact it is at operating temp. If by doing this it goes up to the high idle you mentioned, then you know which circuit is being naughty. Also the later KE (KE3(?)) systems have a primitive fault code readout which is easy to do with the right equipment. Hopefully others will stop talking about you know what and help you out with your real MB problem. BTW is it a E300 or 300E, they are two very different cars with very different FI systems. E M wrote: Hi everyone, Was out yesterday and got caught in traffic. Drove from about an hour, with a lot of bumper to bumper traffic. When I came to a stop, as in end of trip, and put the car into Park, the idle climbed to between 1700-2000 rpm. At stop in traffic, it would idle about 1000 rpm, but it felt like it wanted to pull away, as in, required a little more pressure on the brakes to prevent becoming too friendly with the car infront. I suspect some kind of an air leak, but not sure just where to look. Kind of feels like a WUR stick up and keeping the idel high, but once the car is allowed to cool for an hour or so, the idle seems to be fine again. Oh, the day about about 75-80F with little humidity. Car also starts fine and idles in a normal range. Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] OT: Free Mac
On 8/19/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Can an ordinary IDE DVD-ROM drive be substituted for the CD-RW? If so, how does one get the old drive out and the new one in? Yes The plastic front with the CD door and possibly a Zip floppy slot is itself a door. Once you open the side panel there are two *very breakable* tabs that you push to lever the door out of the front. The Optical drive and Zip come out as a one piece bracket. After that it's as easy as any other PC - Can a second disk be added (the one in there looks like an IDE drive)? The G4 can handle up to 4 IDE disks from the factory. 1 is your optical drive and if installed 2 is your Zip. That leaves 3 and 4 for hard drives. However, the bracket system at the bottom of the case should, itself, hold a total of 4 hard drives, so if you add a PCI IDE controller you can add the other drives. (Or a PCI SATA controller and replace all drives with SATA models) - Can an ordinary flat panel display be hooked up to the non-standard DVI connector on the graphics card? If so, how? This is not a DVI connector, it is an ADC connector. Either replace the video card with a PowerPC ROM'd AGP card or locate an old Dr. Botts ADC to DVI adapter. - How much memory can be used? 1.5 GB if it's the model of G4 I think it is. - Can the latest OS be loaded on the computer once it has a DVD-capable drive? Yes, and it will also run Leopard when it is released in October. Though 10.5 (Leopard) may be the last OS revision to include G4 support. Thanks, Craig No problem, Ed -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel Air Filter service life.
I am going broke buying air filters for my three 300d's. The Kalifornia version air filter at almost 50 bux a pop really hurts. What I am looking for are some ways and wisdom to get some more service life out of the air filters. Yes, all the usual stuff has been looked at and brought up to spec. The seals, the hoses and pipes, everything. All are tight. Silica on the oil analysis is in the cellar so I know the system is tight. And I particularly dislike any air filter with the K and N name on it., I live in Phoenix, drive mostly on roads and freeways. Problem is that I can get hardly 2500 miles out of a air filter. Usually less, much less miles. My criteria is holding the filter up to bright sunlight. If I can not see daylight through the folds in the filter, then to me it is plugged and needs replacing. I remember years ago seeing some domestic Purolator filters that had a washable sock over the main paper air filter. But I have never seen such a set up for a MB. I am sure that something can be rigged, but that would entail a smaller diameter, non standard air filter for the housing So, any ideas or help is greatly appreciated. Marshall in Phoenix Three (3) 300D's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Air Filter service life.
blow them out with compressed air. Marshall Field wrote: I am going broke buying air filters for my three 300d's. The Kalifornia version air filter at almost 50 bux a pop really hurts. What I am looking for are some ways and wisdom to get some more service life out of the air filters. Yes, all the usual stuff has been looked at and brought up to spec. The seals, the hoses and pipes, everything. All are tight. Silica on the oil analysis is in the cellar so I know the system is tight. And I particularly dislike any air filter with the K and N name on it., I live in Phoenix, drive mostly on roads and freeways. Problem is that I can get hardly 2500 miles out of a air filter. Usually less, much less miles. My criteria is holding the filter up to bright sunlight. If I can not see daylight through the folds in the filter, then to me it is plugged and needs replacing. I remember years ago seeing some domestic Purolator filters that had a washable sock over the main paper air filter. But I have never seen such a set up for a MB. I am sure that something can be rigged, but that would entail a smaller diameter, non standard air filter for the housing So, any ideas or help is greatly appreciated. Marshall in Phoenix Three (3) 300D's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yu have another problem - the wheel should sit flush with the hub with no interference. With the last one of these I had, the lip on the inside of the wheel was damaged. Adding anti-seize is just working around the issue. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:12 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. How could anti sieze hurt? Use it. I use it on just about everything unless the manufacturer specifies a sealer or adhesive on the bolt or joint. Anti sieze is one of the great inventions of the age of old cars. Don't put it on too thick, or it will run radially and could wind up splattered on the brake dust inside the rim. And the problem then would be ? Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Stuck wheel! E M [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
I'm glad to hear you are not that brave. Some of the listers are. - Original Message - From: E M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];Mercedes Discussion List Sent: 8/19/2007 5:03:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Hee hee, I should have proof read that Robert. I drove the car, and then allowed it to heat sink before before trying the bolts again!!! :-) Not even Im brave (stupid) enough to drive the car around withou any bolts holding on the wheels!!! ha ha ha. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. How could anti sieze hurt? Use it. I use it on just about everything unless the manufacturer specifies a sealer or adhesive on the bolt or joint. Anti sieze is one of the great inventions of the age of old cars. Don't put it on too thick, or it will run radially and could wind up splattered on the brake dust inside the rim. And the problem then would be ? Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Stuck wheel! E M [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Air Filter service life.
Where are you buying the filters? BAP Import Parts? When I had my 240D (123.123), I'd change the air filter after about 5000 miles. Usually a few smacks on the ground caused enough debris to fall out that I never felt bad about putting it back in. -Warren Marshall Field wrote: I am going broke buying air filters for my three 300d's. The Kalifornia version air filter at almost 50 bux a pop really hurts. What I am looking for are some ways and wisdom to get some more service life out of the air filters. Yes, all the usual stuff has been looked at and brought up to spec. The seals, the hoses and pipes, everything. All are tight. Silica on the oil analysis is in the cellar so I know the system is tight. And I particularly dislike any air filter with the K and N name on it., I live in Phoenix, drive mostly on roads and freeways. Problem is that I can get hardly 2500 miles out of a air filter. Usually less, much less miles. My criteria is holding the filter up to bright sunlight. If I can not see daylight through the folds in the filter, then to me it is plugged and needs replacing. I remember years ago seeing some domestic Purolator filters that had a washable sock over the main paper air filter. But I have never seen such a set up for a MB. I am sure that something can be rigged, but that would entail a smaller diameter, non standard air filter for the housing So, any ideas or help is greatly appreciated. Marshall in Phoenix Three (3) 300D's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
I don't think he was serious about the 250 ft lb, just stressing the fact that they were way over-torqued. That's OK, I was an Engineer once but now I'm a Recovering Engineer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:09 PM To: E M; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yu have another problem - the wheel should sit flush with the hub with no interference. With the last one of these I had, the lip on the inside of the wheel was damaged. Adding anti-seize is just working around the issue. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:12 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. How could anti sieze hurt? Use it. I use it on just about everything unless the manufacturer specifies a sealer or adhesive on the bolt or joint. Anti sieze is one of the great inventions of the age of old cars. Don't put it on too thick, or it will run radially and could wind up splattered on the brake dust inside the rim. And the problem then would be ? Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Stuck wheel! E M [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
I've read about 85 f/lbs dry. When I had to put a 3 foot length of pipe on the wrench to get enough torque on it to remove them, I couldn't believe, even with an air gun, some idiot could get them on that tight! While cheaning the inside of the rim, once off, it gave me a chance to see just what a great piece of engineer that wheel is. It looks pretty plain on the outside, but a lot of thougth went into that wheel. I think they spent more money engineering the clip ring for the benz star in the centre, than most companies spend in R D for the whole front corner suspension. :-) Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - *From:* E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To: *Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com *Cc: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Air Filter service life.
You are replacing your filter way too soon at 2,500 miles, I believe that 35,000 miles is more the norm. If you really want to get scientific about when then you need to install a vacuum gauge with the pickup through the lid of your air cleaner housing. You'll notice some drop even with a new filter but the drop will become more pronounced as the filter plugs up. I believe you'll be surprised at how un-plugged a dirty looking filter is. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Field Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:56 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Diesel Air Filter service life. I am going broke buying air filters for my three 300d's. The Kalifornia version air filter at almost 50 bux a pop really hurts. What I am looking for are some ways and wisdom to get some more service life out of the air filters. Yes, all the usual stuff has been looked at and brought up to spec. The seals, the hoses and pipes, everything. All are tight. Silica on the oil analysis is in the cellar so I know the system is tight. And I particularly dislike any air filter with the K and N name on it., I live in Phoenix, drive mostly on roads and freeways. Problem is that I can get hardly 2500 miles out of a air filter. Usually less, much less miles. My criteria is holding the filter up to bright sunlight. If I can not see daylight through the folds in the filter, then to me it is plugged and needs replacing. I remember years ago seeing some domestic Purolator filters that had a washable sock over the main paper air filter. But I have never seen such a set up for a MB. I am sure that something can be rigged, but that would entail a smaller diameter, non standard air filter for the housing So, any ideas or help is greatly appreciated. Marshall in Phoenix Three (3) 300D's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Air Filter service life.
Just beat it on something, or blow it out with air. If you want to get fancy, just pull into one of the few zillion offroad specialty places in Phoenix and they shouldn't have any trouble fitting your filter with a washable pre filter. --Robert Marshall Field wrote: I am going broke buying air filters for my three 300d's. The Kalifornia version air filter at almost 50 bux a pop really hurts. What I am looking for are some ways and wisdom to get some more service life out of the air filters. Yes, all the usual stuff has been looked at and brought up to spec. The seals, the hoses and pipes, everything. All are tight. Silica on the oil analysis is in the cellar so I know the system is tight. And I particularly dislike any air filter with the K and N name on it., I live in Phoenix, drive mostly on roads and freeways. Problem is that I can get hardly 2500 miles out of a air filter. Usually less, much less miles. My criteria is holding the filter up to bright sunlight. If I can not see daylight through the folds in the filter, then to me it is plugged and needs replacing. I remember years ago seeing some domestic Purolator filters that had a washable sock over the main paper air filter. But I have never seen such a set up for a MB. I am sure that something can be rigged, but that would entail a smaller diameter, non standard air filter for the housing So, any ideas or help is greatly appreciated. Marshall in Phoenix Three (3) 300D's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
A lot of people don't realize that a torqued fastener takes more torque to remove than it took to tighten. I've had to remove lug bolts that I've tightened myself to 85 lb ft with a 4' pipe. The impact wrench would not make them budge. This happened recently on my 01 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I was doing the front brakes and none of the lug nuts on the right, front wheel would budge. And I was the last one with the wheels off - I rotated the tires front to back. Obviously something was going on because none of the lug nuts would budge but it wasn't the way they were tightened. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels I've read about 85 f/lbs dry. When I had to put a 3 foot length of pipe on the wrench to get enough torque on it to remove them, I couldn't believe, even with an air gun, some idiot could get them on that tight! While cheaning the inside of the rim, once off, it gave me a chance to see just what a great piece of engineer that wheel is. It looks pretty plain on the outside, but a lot of thougth went into that wheel. I think they spent more money engineering the clip ring for the benz star in the centre, than most companies spend in R D for the whole front corner suspension. :-) Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - *From:* E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To: *Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com *Cc: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
To be honest, with a 3 foot length of pipe, I had to jerk the pipe to break them lose. Even after allowing them to heat sink, they were by far the tightest lugbolts I have ever felt. I really was worried that the wheel was damaged, but it seems ok, no visable hairline cracks anyway. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he was serious about the 250 ft lb, just stressing the fact that they were way over-torqued. That's OK, I was an Engineer once but now I'm a Recovering Engineer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:09 PM To: E M; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yu have another problem - the wheel should sit flush with the hub with no interference. With the last one of these I had, the lip on the inside of the wheel was damaged. Adding anti-seize is just working around the issue. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:12 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels I never before heard of a wheel so tight it took driving with loose lugs to get it loose fro the hub. Wow. How could anti sieze hurt? Use it. I use it on just about everything unless the manufacturer specifies a sealer or adhesive on the bolt or joint. Anti sieze is one of the great inventions of the age of old cars. Don't put it on too thick, or it will run radially and could wind up splattered on the brake dust inside the rim. And the problem then would be ? Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Stuck wheel! E M [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Took one of the wheels on the front of the W124 the other day. The guy in shop had it on SO tight, I had to use a pipe on the wrench to get the bolts off!!! Once the bolts were off, the wheel was stuck to the hub. AH! After finally getting it off, but driving it, using the brakes hard and allowing it to heat sink a little, oh yeah, plus some pounding on the tires with a hammer against a piece of wood, it came off. There was some light rust on the hub. I cleaned it off with steelwoo, and also the big of rust that was on the aluminum rim. No, the rim didn't rust, hee hee, but the rim was on so tight, the rust from the hub was imbedded in the rim!! So, the question, I know we recently had a chat about anti-stick paste on lug bolts, but what are the thoughts about some on the back of the rim, where it meets the hub, or more accuratly, I guess it's the face of the rotor? I do this with other cars with steel rims, but haven't do some in the past with aluminum rims. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
Funny thing is, I had the wheel on the other side off about 2 weeks ago just to take a quick look at the pads. The bolts on that side felt over tight too, but nothing like the other side, and the rim came right off without any trouble. Maybe I should upgrade to a set of F1 rims with a single centre lock nut. :-) Save a lot of trouble. lol Ed 300E On 20/08/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of people don't realize that a torqued fastener takes more torque to remove than it took to tighten. I've had to remove lug bolts that I've tightened myself to 85 lb ft with a 4' pipe. The impact wrench would not make them budge. This happened recently on my 01 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I was doing the front brakes and none of the lug nuts on the right, front wheel would budge. And I was the last one with the wheels off - I rotated the tires front to back. Obviously something was going on because none of the lug nuts would budge but it wasn't the way they were tightened. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels I've read about 85 f/lbs dry. When I had to put a 3 foot length of pipe on the wrench to get enough torque on it to remove them, I couldn't believe, even with an air gun, some idiot could get them on that tight! While cheaning the inside of the rim, once off, it gave me a chance to see just what a great piece of engineer that wheel is. It looks pretty plain on the outside, but a lot of thougth went into that wheel. I think they spent more money engineering the clip ring for the benz star in the centre, than most companies spend in R D for the whole front corner suspension. :-) Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - *From:* E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To: *Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com *Cc: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Free Mac
Back when I was using Macs, there was a site called, lowendmac or something to that effect. I think they had a list for each model, as well a stuff for sale page. It was a good place to get advise, or pick up some cheap parts for a project. Not sure if they're still around, but there were a lot of helpful guys on it, must like this list. Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/19/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Can an ordinary IDE DVD-ROM drive be substituted for the CD-RW? If so, how does one get the old drive out and the new one in? Yes The plastic front with the CD door and possibly a Zip floppy slot is itself a door. Once you open the side panel there are two *very breakable* tabs that you push to lever the door out of the front. The Optical drive and Zip come out as a one piece bracket. After that it's as easy as any other PC - Can a second disk be added (the one in there looks like an IDE drive)? The G4 can handle up to 4 IDE disks from the factory. 1 is your optical drive and if installed 2 is your Zip. That leaves 3 and 4 for hard drives. However, the bracket system at the bottom of the case should, itself, hold a total of 4 hard drives, so if you add a PCI IDE controller you can add the other drives. (Or a PCI SATA controller and replace all drives with SATA models) - Can an ordinary flat panel display be hooked up to the non-standard DVI connector on the graphics card? If so, how? This is not a DVI connector, it is an ADC connector. Either replace the video card with a PowerPC ROM'd AGP card or locate an old Dr. Botts ADC to DVI adapter. - How much memory can be used? 1.5 GB if it's the model of G4 I think it is. - Can the latest OS be loaded on the computer once it has a DVD-capable drive? Yes, and it will also run Leopard when it is released in October. Though 10.5 (Leopard) may be the last OS revision to include G4 support. Thanks, Craig No problem, Ed -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Rambo goes fishing
True. Always wondered why PETA hasn't gone after fishermen. If we put a carrot on a hook, snagged a bunny rabbit in the lip, reeled him in, and held him under water until he drowned; PETA would be knocking on our door in short order. Years ago the Norwegians or Swedes found that if they electrocuted fish as soon as they were caught the fish tasted better. They discovered that when fish get injured they start producing cadaverines which make other fish that might want to eat them think they are dead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaverine As the fish die they produce more and more cadaverines. Electrocution stops or slows down the process. Always wanted to try that with the fish we catch here in Florida. Maybe put electrodes at each end of a plastic cooler and rig up a circuit that will give a newly caught fish the right amount of voltage/amperage that will put it out of its misery. Some species of fish tend to develop a bad taste. Letting the fish die slowly might be the cause. - - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sure as long as it is dynamite fishing. If it don't go bang it ain't no fun. -- Tom Hargrave wrote: How about discussing fishing? This should be a little more palletable subject for the anti-handgun folks. You know, the act of presenting a tasty bit of food to an unsuspect fish, only to snag sensitive mouth parts with a barbed hook, causing unimaginable amounts of pain, followed by dragging the fish out of the water by his hooked mouth? And finally, we add insult to injury by sliding the fish onto a nylon line or placing him in a cooler of ice water, allowing him to die a slow death. After all, we want him to be fresh when we get him home and scale him alive. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/960 - Release Date: 8/18/2007 3:48 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels
Also, we should not forget that the torque required to break a bolt loose may be only vaguely unrelated to the torque to which it was tightened. Corrosion, heat, and all that. - Original Message - From: E M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 8/19/2007 10:56:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels I've read about 85 f/lbs dry. When I had to put a 3 foot length of pipe on the wrench to get enough torque on it to remove them, I couldn't believe, even with an air gun, some idiot could get them on that tight! While cheaning the inside of the rim, once off, it gave me a chance to see just what a great piece of engineer that wheel is. It looks pretty plain on the outside, but a lot of thougth went into that wheel. I think they spent more money engineering the clip ring for the benz star in the centre, than most companies spend in R D for the whole front corner suspension. :-) Ed 300E On 19/08/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aliminum wheels; tightening torque; meaning of words
The difference between the word that is correct and the word that is almost correct is the difference between lightning and lightning bugs. - attributed to Winston Churchill. Maybe he merely meant the spherical collar screws were tighter than he had ever seen or imagined. I can buy that. They must have been extremely tight. I suspect something would break before 250 ft lb tightening torque, but do not know. Perhaps someone does know the breaking torque for M12 x 1.5 spherical collar screws holding on steel or alumininum wheels. If so, you know who you are. Speak up, please. I promise to not ask how you know. When discussing technical things and using numbers to communicate, one should be careful to say as near to exactly what one means as one can, to avoid confusion. If one is not sure of a technical fact, it does not mean one is a bad person or even seriously disabled, but one should say so. Words do have meanings. That is the engineering position. Do recovering engineers see it a whole lot differently? If so, why? Please elaborate. Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:52:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think he was serious about the 250 ft lb, just stressing the fact that they were way over-torqued. That's OK, I was an Engineer once but now I'm a Recovering Engineer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:09 PM To: E M; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air filters and dust
Can you pull a leg of panty hose over the housing for a pre filter? Use the No Nonsense $2 kind from Wal Mart, which come in sizes. Hold on with zip tie if appropriate. That's an old dirt track racer's trick. Keeps the big stuff out for sure, and catches and holds lots of dust. Cheap and effective. You can also clean the paper filter elements by gently tapping them out. Compressed air may blow a hole in the element. Marshall Field wrote: I am going broke buying air filters for my three 300d's. The Kalifornia version air filter at almost 50 bux a pop really hurts. What I am looking for are some ways and wisdom to get some more service life out of the air filters. Yes, all the usual stuff has been looked at and brought up to spec. The seals, the hoses and pipes, everything. All are tight. Silica on the oil analysis is in the cellar so I know the system is tight. And I particularly dislike any air filter with the K and N name on it., I live in Phoenix, drive mostly on roads and freeways. Problem is that I can get hardly 2500 miles out of a air filter. Usually less, much less miles. My criteria is holding the filter up to bright sunlight. If I can not see daylight through the folds in the filter, then to me it is plugged and needs replacing. I remember years ago seeing some domestic Purolator filters that had a washable sock over the main paper air filter. But I have never seen such a set up for a MB. I am sure that something can be rigged, but that would entail a smaller diameter, non standard air filter for the housing So, any ideas or help is greatly appreciated. Marshall in Phoenix Three (3) 300D's ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aliminum wheels; tightening torque; meaning of words
I agree 100% about your Words do have meaning statement and I agree that in the Engineering world, communication is very literal indeed. But I have learned that non-engineers communicate in more abstract, often making statements that have implied meaning. By Recovering Engineer I mean I've learned to be less literal with my conversations in certain circles. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:10 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aliminum wheels; tightening torque;meaning of words The difference between the word that is correct and the word that is almost correct is the difference between lightning and lightning bugs. - attributed to Winston Churchill. Maybe he merely meant the spherical collar screws were tighter than he had ever seen or imagined. I can buy that. They must have been extremely tight. I suspect something would break before 250 ft lb tightening torque, but do not know. Perhaps someone does know the breaking torque for M12 x 1.5 spherical collar screws holding on steel or alumininum wheels. If so, you know who you are. Speak up, please. I promise to not ask how you know. When discussing technical things and using numbers to communicate, one should be careful to say as near to exactly what one means as one can, to avoid confusion. If one is not sure of a technical fact, it does not mean one is a bad person or even seriously disabled, but one should say so. Words do have meanings. That is the engineering position. Do recovering engineers see it a whole lot differently? If so, why? Please elaborate. Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:52:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think he was serious about the 250 ft lb, just stressing the fact that they were way over-torqued. That's OK, I was an Engineer once but now I'm a Recovering Engineer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:09 PM To: E M; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aliminum wheels; tightening torque; meaning of words
No, I agree with your point Robert. Torque figures are very accurate for a reason, and I do my best to follow them and get as close to them as possible at all times. However, in my original post, I don't have a problem throwing out a number like 250, as I've felt 200 before and this felt like more. Reason I don't have a problem throwing out a nubmer like 250 is, I don't really expect anyone to read it and think, oh, it can't take that, and to prove it, I'll go out now and torque my wheels to 250. Now, if asked how tight to torque a lugnut, I would never say, oh, about 100 f/lbs., give or take. However, in the original context of my post, I think the use of 250 was ok. :-) Ed 300E On 20/08/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between the word that is correct and the word that is almost correct is the difference between lightning and lightning bugs. - attributed to Winston Churchill. Maybe he merely meant the spherical collar screws were tighter than he had ever seen or imagined. I can buy that. They must have been extremely tight. I suspect something would break before 250 ft lb tightening torque, but do not know. Perhaps someone does know the breaking torque for M12 x 1.5 spherical collar screws holding on steel or alumininum wheels. If so, you know who you are. Speak up, please. I promise to not ask how you know. When discussing technical things and using numbers to communicate, one should be careful to say as near to exactly what one means as one can, to avoid confusion. If one is not sure of a technical fact, it does not mean one is a bad person or even seriously disabled, but one should say so. Words do have meanings. That is the engineering position. Do recovering engineers see it a whole lot differently? If so, why? Please elaborate. Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:52:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think he was serious about the 250 ft lb, just stressing the fact that they were way over-torqued. That's OK, I was an Engineer once but now I'm a Recovering Engineer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:09 PM To: E M; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels 250 ft lb is way too much torque on spherical collar screws holding on steel or alloy road wheels. My Daimler Benz Passenger Car Technical Data book says tighten them to 110 NM, equal roughly to 81 ft lb if I didn't botch the conversion. No wonder they are hard to get off when torqued to 250 ft lb. The wonder is that they survive being so overtightened without damage to screw, wheel, or hub. Engineered like no other car - Original Message - From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/19/2007 5:08:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anti sieze on aluminum wheels Oh, the wheel didn't have a problem sitting flush with the hub, but when you torque the bolts to about 250 or more f/lbs, it's amazing how two things can kind of stick themselves together! :-) ( Note to me: never never leave the car unattended at the garage!! I should know this by now!) All fixed now and it allowed me to give the inside of the wheel a good detailing too. Just have to do the other three now. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Air Filter service life.
I'm kind of curious now. How do the California filters differ from those in the rest of the US or North America? Ed 300E On 20/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/19/2007 7:56:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am going broke buying air filters for my three 300d's. The Kalifornia version air filter at almost 50 bux a pop really hurts. What I am looking for are some ways and wisdom to get some more service life out of the air filters. Yes, all the usual stuff has been looked at and brought up to spec. The seals, the hoses and pipes, everything. All are tight. Silica on the oil analysis is in the cellar so I know the system is tight. And I particularly dislike any air filter with the K and N name on it., I live in Phoenix, drive mostly on roads and freeways. Problem is that I can get hardly 2500 miles out of a air filter. Usually less, much less miles. My criteria is holding the filter up to bright sunlight. If I can not see daylight through the folds in the filter, then to me it is plugged and needs replacing. I remember years ago seeing some domestic Purolator filters that had a washable sock over the main paper air filter. But I have never seen such a set up for a MB. I am sure that something can be rigged, but that would entail a smaller diameter, non standard air filter for the housing So, any ideas or help is greatly appreciated. Marshall in Phoenix Marshall, I live in Phoenix, drive mostly on paved roads, etc and get about 30,000 miles out of my air filters, sometimes tapping them on the cement if I am in there for other reasons, like replacing the rubber housing mounts. A dirty filter is more efficient at removing smaller particles than a clean filter. Do your filters turn black, as in excessive blowby, or just look dirty? If black, you may be over filling your crankcase with oil. I think most of us agree that you should never fill oil in to the full mark on the dipstick, leave it 1/2 to 1 quart below full. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
