Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
Nothing but some water over the roadways here. Since we have the Honda CRV, neither of the Benzes has seen a drop yet. Brian On Dec 3, 2007 10:09 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We got battered with lots of heavy rain and high winds, but the 300SD is still in the driveway. There was flooding all around us, and the high winds left quite a few coastal residents without power. They got double the rain we got here in Hillsboro. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
- Original Message - From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... --- IIRC Dr. Booth said Amzoil buys Mobil 1 synthetic oil and combines it with their own additives. Since the buyer is getting the same synthetic oil, the question of which is best revolves around which company has the best additives. The deciding factor with most MB owners seems to be cost since Amzoil is more expensive than Mobil 1. The '83 300D I bought a number of years ago, which had always used Amzoil, had a very good engine but many, many leaking seals and gaskets. When Mobil 1 first came on the market, it caused seals and gaskets to leak until they added chemicals to prevent it. I've often wondered if Amzoil failed to follow suit and add chemicals to prevent similar leakage. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] marshall booth photo
Camden, SC not Maine. :) Dave H... -- From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] marshall booth photo No problem ... we are happy to learn that you live in Camden. (The only Camden I know of is in Maine.) On Dec 3, 2007 7:57 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry folks I answered a previous email and somehow had clicked on this thread. :( Dave H... -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whats with this stuff????
Hydrogen derived from water for diesel and/or gasoline? This is the link : http://www.fuel-rebel.com/peek.htm Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
I had a wind induced power failure for about 2 3/4 hours Friday. Propane backup generator did its job without human intervention, but three hours without heat and refrigeration is no big deal. If we ever again have a one week power failure, then the Generac will earn its keep. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whats with this stuff????
Someone who thinks he can sell you a free lunch. On Dec 4, 2007 5:57 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hydrogen derived from water for diesel and/or gasoline? This is the link : http://www.fuel-rebel.com/peek.htm Dave H... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, HD again, has anybody ever jewed down a big box store?
I hooked up an antenna yesterday to see if I could get the over the air local HD channels. WOW, that works great. I cant believe the difference. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, HD again, has anybody ever jewed down a big box store? PBS, CNN and (at the moment) ESPN. Of course, the wife is curled up in the spare bedroom / alternate tv room watching CBS's brain dead comedies. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
From the master in 2005 --- Mercedes suggested first 228.x and then 229.x series oils in passenger car diesel engines thru the '90s. For older light duty diesel engines 228.x oils were required and recommended (Delvac 1 and Mobil 1 5W-40 is 228.5 rated oil - the very highest rating for HEAVY DUTY DIESELS while Mobil 1 0W-40 is 229.5 15W-50 is 229.1 rated). Marshall On Dec 3, 2007 11:50 PM, Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Down here in the Colonies, Mobil 1 synthetic oil is available (in exchange for body parts) but in a desperately poor range of options. So, I'm obliged to fall back on the MB specs data on the rear panels for guidance. Should I be looking for oil meeting *229.1* or *229.3* criteria? I have a 1985 300TD non-turbo (OM617.912) Thanks Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] marshall booth photo
You can send it to me if you want to. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] marshall booth photo It seems than at Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:42:03 -0600, Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:09:37 -0500, Timothy wrote: I joined too late... so I only know from you guys the great person, Marshall, that I never met. I have 3984 email messages from Marshall to this list beginning in 2002. I am in the process of figuring out how to convert this pile of maildir messages into something manageable and usable. I think I got it. *smile* I now have a web-style archive of the messages. It is not the full threads, just the posts Marshall wrote - but he was pretty good about including the useful parts of what he was answering to. The zip file is 13 Meg. The earliest message is from 2002 Feb 9. There's a big gap in 2004, probably stuff I didn't keep. The most recent is 2007 Oct 30. To use this thing I created, just unzip the file. It will create a directory called marshall-messages. Point a web browser to the file inside called theads.html. Now, because I am still using dialup, I am not interested in transferring this file more than once. Is there one of you folks who have space and bandwidth that can make this available? Kaleb, it should just drop into a website and work if you want to host it that way. -- Philip, pack rat ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter Weather
As long as its an OE replacement how would you know? If the valves hadn't been adjusted since new the car would have long since quit running... I don't really remember the lifespan, 2-3 adjustments maybe? I'd guess that its probably been replaced... -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: EDWARD DENNIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter Weather To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes it seeps all sides Looks original Ed Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if its leaking. Bimby's got 'em for less than $10. -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: EDWARD DENNIS Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter Weather To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Including a Seal replacement for the valve cover?? Ed (rubber like gasket) - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whats with this stuff????
Thanks it sure sounded funky to me... Dave H... -- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:50 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whats with this stuff Someone who thinks he can sell you a free lunch. On Dec 4, 2007 5:57 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hydrogen derived from water for diesel and/or gasoline? This is the link : http://www.fuel-rebel.com/peek.htm Dave H... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I've oft considered becoming an Amsoil distributor but I gotta say I hate their marketing model. If they'd just sell the dammed stuff I'd probably buy it. AFAIK (mostly from stuff Marshall and others have said) Amsoil is very good oil. I've used their 100:1 2stroke oil (although not at 100:1, I'm a chicken) and its fantastic. Amsoil is Mobil 1 basestock with different additives and is said to be every bit as good as Mobil 1. If I could get it locally at competitive prices (like the same as Mobil 1) I'd use it. One could switch to dino oil in the summer but my question is why bother because you can indeed extend your oil changes. My 190D is on track for an 11,000 mile change this weekend (in the cold and snow, brrr!) I've been having oil analysis done and at 10,000 miles on the last change all indicators were normal so this time we'll try 11k. Assuming everything is normal at 11k and I've no reason to believe it won't be, I'll change the oil in 12,000 more miles and get another analysis and so on until I get an analysis that indicates I should back off. I'll roll back to the closest thousand (maybe another thousand back for safety) and call it good. Why? Well #1 it saves money, I'll use Mobil 1 for ease of winter starting anyway so this saves me money. #2 Why waste oil if its not doing anything for me? As Marshall always said why change the oil before its actually used up? #3 Why waste my time changing the oil? If I were using conventional oil I'd be on the 3,000 mile change regimine which would have be changing the oil every other month. This way I change the oil twice a year (well a bit more but you get the idea). My time is worth something after all. Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing it again until spring... As with everything your mileage may vary. HTH -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:49:40 -0500 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Curt, TY so very much for your insightful reply. Dave H... -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:04 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils I've oft considered becoming an Amsoil distributor but I gotta say I hate their marketing model. If they'd just sell the dammed stuff I'd probably buy it. AFAIK (mostly from stuff Marshall and others have said) Amsoil is very good oil. I've used their 100:1 2stroke oil (although not at 100:1, I'm a chicken) and its fantastic. Amsoil is Mobil 1 basestock with different additives and is said to be every bit as good as Mobil 1. If I could get it locally at competitive prices (like the same as Mobil 1) I'd use it. One could switch to dino oil in the summer but my question is why bother because you can indeed extend your oil changes. My 190D is on track for an 11,000 mile change this weekend (in the cold and snow, brrr!) I've been having oil analysis done and at 10,000 miles on the last change all indicators were normal so this time we'll try 11k. Assuming everything is normal at 11k and I've no reason to believe it won't be, I'll change the oil in 12,000 more miles and get another analysis and so on until I get an analysis that indicates I should back off. I'll roll back to the closest thousand (maybe another thousand back for safety) and call it good. Why? Well #1 it saves money, I'll use Mobil 1 for ease of winter starting anyway so this saves me money. #2 Why waste oil if its not doing anything for me? As Marshall always said why change the oil before its actually used up? #3 Why waste my time changing the oil? If I were using conventional oil I'd be on the 3,000 mile change regimine which would have be changing the oil every other month. This way I change the oil twice a year (well a bit more but you get the idea). My time is worth something after all. Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing it again until spring... As with everything your mileage may vary. HTH -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:49:40 -0500 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've oft considered becoming an Amsoil distributor but I gotta say I hate their marketing model. If they'd just sell the dammed stuff I'd probably buy it. AFAIK (mostly from stuff Marshall and others have said) Amsoil is very good oil. I've used their 100:1 2stroke oil (although not at 100:1, I'm a chicken) and its fantastic. Amsoil is Mobil 1 basestock with different additives and is said to be every bit as good as Mobil 1. If I could get it locally at competitive prices (like the same as Mobil 1) I'd use it. One could switch to dino oil in the summer but my question is why bother because you can indeed extend your oil changes. My 190D is on track for an 11,000 mile change this weekend (in the cold and snow, brrr!) I've been having oil analysis done and at 10,000 miles on the last change all indicators were normal so this time we'll try 11k. Assuming everything is normal at 11k and I've no reason to believe it won't be, I'll change the oil in 12,000 more miles and get another analysis and so on until I get an analysis that indicates I should back off. I'll roll back to the closest thousand (maybe another thousand back for safety) and call it good. Why? Well #1 it saves money, I'll use Mobil 1 for ease of winter starting anyway so this saves me money. #2 Why waste oil if its not doing anything for me? As Marshall always said why change the oil before its actually used up? #3 Why waste my time changing the oil? If I were using conventional oil I'd be on the 3,000 mile change regimine which would have be changing the oil every other month. This way I change the oil twice a year (well a bit more but you get the idea). My time is worth something after all. Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing it again until spring... As with everything your mileage may vary. HTH -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:49:40 -0500 From: Dave H... Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] marshall booth photo
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Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
On Dec 4, 2007 2:19 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing but some water over the roadways here. Since we have the Honda CRV, neither of the Benzes has seen a drop yet. Brian Same situation here (Columbia County, Oregon). Enough water on the road that I've been driving my Trooper rather than ford streams with the 300D. No power outages, and no flooding on my property to speak of since I'm up on a hill, but I know people in lower-lying areas are having trouble. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I have the same opinion of Amsoil. They maake a good roduct but their marketing plan is just short of criminal. With Mobil 1 on the market, there is no reason to pay extra for the stuff. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/4/07 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils I've oft considered becoming an Amsoil distributor but I gotta say I hate their marketing model. If they'd just sell the dammed stuff I'd probably buy it. AFAIK (mostly from stuff Marshall and others have said) Amsoil is very good oil. I've used their 100:1 2stroke oil (although not at 100:1, I'm a chicken) and its fantastic. Amsoil is Mobil 1 basestock with different additives and is said to be every bit as good as Mobil 1. If I could get it locally at competitive prices (like the same as Mobil 1) I'd use it. One could switch to dino oil in the summer but my question is why bother because you can indeed extend your oil changes. My 190D is on track for an 11,000 mile change this weekend (in the cold and snow, brrr!) I've been having oil analysis done and at 10,000 miles on the last change all indicators were normal so this time we'll try 11k. Assuming everything is normal at 11k and I've no reason to believe it won't be, I'll change the oil in 12,000 more miles and get another analysis and so on until I get an analysis that indicates I should back off. I'll roll back to the closest thousand (maybe another thousand back for safety) and call it good. Why? Well #1 it saves money, I'll use Mobil 1 for ease of winter starting anyway so this saves me money. #2 Why waste oil if its not doing anything for me? As Marshall always said why change the oil before its actually used up? #3 Why waste my time changing the oil? If I were using conventional oil I'd be on the 3,000 mile change regimine which would have be changing the oil every other month. This way I change the oil twice a year (well a bit more but you get the idea). My time is worth something after all. Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing it again until spring... As with everything your mileage may vary. HTH -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:49:40 -0500 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? Don't know the price locally but would work out to $6.99 quart ($41.94 cs.) with free shipping on a combined order from AutoBarn (anyone dealt with them?) There's also a $20. off coupon and and adding a couple of cases to the order would qualify it for that discount. 1984 300D 223K 1984 300D (non-turbo) 112K 1985 300D 225K (das Boot) 1985 300D 324K (das Rauschgift-Auto) From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:03:09 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread From the master in 2005 --- Mercedes suggested first 228.x and then 229.x series oils in passenger car diesel engines thru the '90s. For older light duty diesel engines 228.x oils were required and recommended (Delvac 1 and Mobil 1 5W-40 is 228.5 rated oil - the very highest rating for HEAVY DUTY DIESELS while Mobil 1 0W-40 is 229.5 15W-50 is 229.1 rated). Marshall On Dec 3, 2007 11:50 PM, Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Down here in the Colonies, Mobil 1 synthetic oil is available (in exchange for body parts) but in a desperately poor range of options. So, I'm obliged to fall back on the MB specs data on the rear panels for guidance. Should I be looking for oil meeting *229.1* or *229.3* criteria? I have a 1985 300TD non-turbo (OM617.912) Thanks Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] German cat names
Remulac was the home of the Coneheads. Mips mips. Ned ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I just had the oil tested by Larry's system in the 300D 2.5. I ran it 13K and the soot was .9 out of 2.0 allowed. So you might be right, Pete, -maybe 20K. I know, we need to do TBN test also to run that far. I agree with Curt about frequently changing oil-even with a top sucker, my time is worth something, esp. when I change it in my driveway with no garage. FWIW Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI- Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete -- Original message -- enz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] No boost in '91 300d/ early results
a HA! With a direct connection between the ALDA and intake, and controlled vacuum applied to the turbo control valve via mity vac in car, the turbo IS alive and the car pulls much better. Limited test to two runs of 5 seconds each and 18 vacuum. Won't know how healthy the car really is until getting things done by the local indy reset to original configuration. Initial thoughts of going the easy way- monitoring EGT and limiting pressure to the ALDA through a regulator- not only brought back the your PISTONS will MELT post but of everything else der Doktor would have said, starting with a stern reminder to consider what I THINK I know vs what the teams of Mercedes engineers who designed the engine ACTUALLY knew when they did the work! Will post when finally fixed. Thank You to all! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Are My Expectations Too High?
Read what this says: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/494402467.html Now that I've seen it, here is the real life translation: No rust, most of the paint faded away, each seat is a different color, headliner saggy, dash cracked, would not start due to glow plug relay (I'm guessing), driver's seat all squashed, carpet toast.etc. A kind description of a car I reckon Kaleb would wince at giving $500 for...or are my expectations too high? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Timothy Robinson wrote: Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? All the cars in your sig have OM617 engines. If you want to use oil that much thinner than MBZ recommended, water is even thinner and much cheaper, although water's pourability at low temperatures is not as good as Mobil One 0W30. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] marshall booth photo
The second photo looks like my car. Some pretty random photos in there. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:25 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] marshall booth photo http://www.frappr.com/benzbunch/photos/436338 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are My Expectations Too High?
All depends on if you can get it to start. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/4/07 11:55 AM Subject: [MBZ] Are My Expectations Too High? Read what this says: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/494402467.html Now that I've seen it, here is the real life translation: No rust, most of the paint faded away, each seat is a different color, headliner saggy, dash cracked, would not start due to glow plug relay (I'm guessing), driver's seat all squashed, carpet toast.etc. A kind description of a car I reckon Kaleb would wince at giving $500 for...or are my expectations too high? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter Weather
Hi, First the amount of time the car sat and 4 engine cleanings and it is still crudy?? I seen a lot of serviced and neglected engines in the last 40 years of being in the industry. This is a prime example of someone who paid at the door and felt they were finished paying. I will tell you more later. Ed in Chicago Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as its an OE replacement how would you know? If the valves hadn't been adjusted since new the car would have long since quit running... I don't really remember the lifespan, 2-3 adjustments maybe? I'd guess that its probably been replaced... -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: EDWARD DENNIS Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter Weather To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes it seeps all sides Looks original Ed Curt Raymond wrote: Only if its leaking. Bimby's got 'em for less than $10. -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: EDWARD DENNIS Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter Weather To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Including a Seal replacement for the valve cover?? Ed (rubber like gasket) - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Wayer does not have the lubricating properties of oil, even 0 weight oil. As long as it provides the correct oil wedge on the bearing surface and the film strength is strong enough to protect the metals it will work fine. But how will you know? Mercedes already knows - follow their recommendations. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/4/07 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Timothy Robinson wrote: Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? All the cars in your sig have OM617 engines. If you want to use oil that much thinner than MBZ recommended, water is even thinner and much cheaper, although water's pourability at low temperatures is not as good as Mobil One 0W30. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are My Expectations Too High?
especially with its negotiable price. Why would they name a price and then say its negotiable? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Thanks, Mitch... What weight then is best on the Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM for the OM617 year round? 5W40 then? From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:01:46 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Timothy Robinson wrote: Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? All the cars in your sig have OM617 engines. If you want to use oil that much thinner than MBZ recommended, water is even thinner and much cheaper, although water's pourability at low temperatures is not as good as Mobil One 0W30. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
It's kinda creepy having an oil thread so soon after Marshall's passing. It's kinda like being a kid and cussing when you know your parents are out of the room. (heavy sigh...) Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:25 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Thanks, Mitch... What weight then is best on the Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM for the OM617 year round? 5W40 then? From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:01:46 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Timothy Robinson wrote: Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? All the cars in your sig have OM617 engines. If you want to use oil that much thinner than MBZ recommended, water is even thinner and much cheaper, although water's pourability at low temperatures is not as good as Mobil One 0W30. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Not for a diesel MB... They don't seem to use the with SuperSyn anymore either. I ran 0w40 in my 240D for awhile, the engine was noisier with it and it leaked worse. Started good when cold but not any better than with 5w40 and it leaked alot less with 5w40. If I lived somewhere REALLY cold, like where its -20 in the daytime I'd probably use 0w40 but since I don't I'll stick with 5w40 year round. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:38:29 -0500 From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? Don't know the price locally but would work out to $6.99 quart ($41.94 cs.) with free shipping on a combined order from AutoBarn (anyone dealt with them?) There's also a $20. off coupon and and adding a couple of cases to the order would qualify it for that discount. 1984 300D 223K 1984 300D (non-turbo) 112K 1985 300D 225K (das Boot) 1985 300D 324K (das Rauschgift-Auto) - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I really dont want to mess with testing the oil etc. is there some kind universal safe mileage interval for the diesels? Gas? Something like 12-15K without testing? Everyone I have seen that posts abost their tests etc indicate that is fine. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head gaskets, unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe wear by the type amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to discover (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers have worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going elsewhere. Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that the new KN filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Thanks, Tom... See, I'm quite a novice here and I'll admit. Oh, I'm good enough with tools (for a music major) and had years of experience changing the oil (always 10W40) and even replacing brake pads and water pump on the old Continental and the Fleetwood. I'll tackle small repairs like replacing door checks, glow plug relay fuses, etc. but know that if I'm so bold to ruin something because I haven't a clue nor knowledge, it'll be at my own expense. That said, I hear Mobil 1, Mobile 1. Their website... http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/car_care/which_oil/WhichOilOpti on2.aspx ...keeps returning 0W30 as the proper weight. Mercedes already knows - follow their recommendations. As Little Red says to the wolf, You're gonna do me just like the book say! Owner's manual recommends SAE 10W-40 for year round ave. ambient temperatures. I can tell you all you wanna know about relative minor and fully diminished chords and good chord substitutions. I can also argue all day about why I like Baldwin pianos better than Steinway... but you guys are the prophets here and I'm grateful to you. AVERAGE YEAR ROUND, what weight of the Mobile 1 Thanks! Tim From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:27:08 -0600 To: 'Mitch Haley' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Wayer does not have the lubricating properties of oil, even 0 weight oil. As long as it provides the correct oil wedge on the bearing surface and the film strength is strong enough to protect the metals it will work fine. But how will you know? Mercedes already knows - follow their recommendations. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/4/07 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Timothy Robinson wrote: Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? All the cars in your sig have OM617 engines. If you want to use oil that much thinner than MBZ recommended, water is even thinner and much cheaper, although water's pourability at low temperatures is not as good as Mobil One 0W30. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Timothy Robinson wrote: AVERAGE YEAR ROUND, what weight of the Mobile 1 5w-40 Turbo Diesel Truck (if you can find it). This is what I use, year round. 15w50 is the next best. 0w40 is really only remotely called for if you live in Canada or some other really cold climate. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
IIRC Marshall used to say that 15-50 would flow as well as 5-40 except in the most extreme cold climates. Therefore I use 15w-50 year round here in NE. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Timothy Robinson wrote: AVERAGE YEAR ROUND, what weight of the Mobile 1 5w-40 Turbo Diesel Truck (if you can find it). This is what I use, year round. 15w50 is the next best. 0w40 is really only remotely called for if you live in Canada or some other really cold climate. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Anybody heard from?
Hi Guys. At this time of year, I try to connect with folks that haven't been heard from for quite a while.. Anybody know the whereabouts of: John Hunteman - NY and had a beautiful 126/300SD John Berryman - The FEMA guy, I think Cheap Charlie (can't remember his last name) Louisville KY May not be on this list, but got any connections with other lists? Thanks and good cheer to all Stay healthy... Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Ditto in Connecticut! Pete -- Original message -- From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] IIRC Marshall used to say that 15-50 would flow as well as 5-40 except in the most extreme cold climates. Therefore I use 15w-50 year round here in NE. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Timothy Robinson wrote: AVERAGE YEAR ROUND, what weight of the Mobile 1 5w-40 Turbo Diesel Truck (if you can find it). This is what I use, year round. 15w50 is the next best. 0w40 is really only remotely called for if you live in Canada or some other really cold climate. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I've found after many samples that the f-soot burden in MY engine was liniar, I had about 25% at 5KMI that I had at 20KMI. Seems pretty simple to pull a sample at 10KMI, wait a few days for the results, adjust for windage and go from there. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I'm a Yankee (Ask Rusty), no sense throwing it away until it's used up! Pete -- Original message -- From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had the oil tested by Larry's system in the 300D 2.5. I ran it 13K and the soot was .9 out of 2.0 allowed. So you might be right, Pete, -maybe 20K. I know, we need to do TBN test also to run that far. I agree with Curt about frequently changing oil-even with a top sucker, my time is worth something, esp. when I change it in my driveway with no garage. FWIW Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI- Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete -- Original message -- enz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I figure 8k is a pretty safe number and testing on my vehicles has borne that out. Marshall said a 61x would have a tough time hitting 10k because of soot but 60x would be fine and thats also borne out in my case. He also said (and I agree) that highway miles are much easier on the oil than city miles. Witness my pickup and the guy on the list who have fuel dilution... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:11:15 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I really dont want to mess with testing the oil etc. is there some kind universal safe mileage interval for the diesels? Gas? Something like 12-15K without testing? Everyone I have seen that posts abost their tests etc indicate that is fine. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: IIRC Marshall used to say that 15-50 would flow as well as 5-40 except in the most extreme cold climates. Therefore I use 15w-50 year round here in NE. The reason I suggested 5w40 over 15w50 is that the 5w40 is the same thing as Mobil Delvac 1 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Anybody heard from?
I was just thinking about Johnny B the other day. Thinking he'd ought to be back from his last FEMA thing by now... He's got (or had anyway) a 190D for Fred, I can't remember what I wanted off that car now though... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:27:54 -0700 From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Anybody heard from? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Guys. At this time of year, I try to connect with folks that haven't been heard from for quite a while.. Anybody know the whereabouts of: John Hunteman - NY and had a beautiful 126/300SD John Berryman - The FEMA guy, I think Cheap Charlie (can't remember his last name) Louisville KY May not be on this list, but got any connections with other lists? Thanks and good cheer to all Stay healthy... Chuck Phoenix AZ - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil threa
As I posted yesterday as far as MB diesels are concerned you get 3 choices, 0w40, 15w50 and 5w40. As far as I'm concerned the 5w40 is the best of the lot all around. 0w40 made the engine in my car louder (others have reported this also) and leaked really bad. 15w50 is fine I just give a slight edge to the 5w40. I wouldn't hesitate to run any of the 3 year round. I just give preference to 5w40, then 15w50 and only use 0w40 as a last resort. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:56:51 -0500 From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil threa To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thanks, Tom... See, I'm quite a novice here and I'll admit. Oh, I'm good enough with tools (for a music major) and had years of experience changing the oil (always 10W40) and even replacing brake pads and water pump on the old Continental and the Fleetwood. I'll tackle small repairs like replacing door checks, glow plug relay fuses, etc. but know that if I'm so bold to ruin something because I haven't a clue nor knowledge, it'll be at my own expense. That said, I hear Mobil 1, Mobile 1. Their website... http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/car_care/which_oil/WhichOilOpti on2.aspx ...keeps returning 0W30 as the proper weight. Mercedes already knows - follow their recommendations. As Little Red says to the wolf, You're gonna do me just like the book say! Owner's manual recommends SAE 10W-40 for year round ave. ambient temperatures. I can tell you all you wanna know about relative minor and fully diminished chords and good chord substitutions. I can also argue all day about why I like Baldwin pianos better than Steinway... but you guys are the prophets here and I'm grateful to you. AVERAGE YEAR ROUND, what weight of the Mobile 1 Thanks! Tim - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
I'm not really concerned about winter and cold starts. I mean, climate is rather temperate here and I tend to hibernate during winter rarely leaving the fireside if it's cold outside. Driving 150 miles per week total Nov-Apr, the cars spend more time idleing than actually seeing the road. That's just church on Sunday, choir rehearsal on a Wednesday and a trip or two off the mountain to check the traps at the grocery and buy a carton of Pall Mall. In season, May-Oct however, it's a 150 mile per day, 7 days per week commute which ends in a 4 mile climb (exceeding 30% grade) on the state's steepest road. The Mercedes don't think twice about that challenge though the mountain takes it's toll on others'. Some coworker is always having transmission or clutch problems, wearing out brake pads, blowing head gaskets or burning valves. The worst thing I've experienced is getting behind someone who can barely negotiate the grade, driving at 5mph and because a/c is running the engine temp climbs 20C. I always let the engine idle and circulate oil through the turbo before shutting down. All that said, it's the ole '85 300D with the most miles, 324K+, sees the bulk of the miles and gets pampered with the most attention in return. (Just got new pads around, valve adjustment, new fuel tank (a previous thread), front end work and fresh blinker fluid. Geez, Elijah, that stuff's expensive!) Task for the day was to read these oil threads, check out Mobile 1 and try to learn what weight would be best to run in the cars. Before I buy eight cases of oil at AutoBarn (10% off and free shipping), according to das Buch it's 10W40??? Tim 1984 300D 223K 1984 300D (non-turbo) 112K 1985 300D 225K (das Boot) 1985 300D 324K (das Rauschgift-Auto) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Not for a diesel MB... They don't seem to use the with SuperSyn anymore either. I ran 0w40 in my 240D for awhile, the engine was noisier with it and it leaked worse. Started good when cold but not any better than with 5w40 and it leaked alot less with 5w40. If I lived somewhere REALLY cold, like where its -20 in the daytime I'd probably use 0w40 but since I don't I'll stick with 5w40 year round. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:38:29 -0500 From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? Don't know the price locally but would work out to $6.99 quart ($41.94 cs.) with free shipping on a combined order from AutoBarn (anyone dealt with them?) There's also a $20. off coupon and and adding a couple of cases to the order would qualify it for that discount. 1984 300D 223K 1984 300D (non-turbo) 112K 1985 300D 225K (das Boot) 1985 300D 324K (das Rauschgift-Auto) - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
oops... I mean, then it's 5W40? From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:02:15 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread I'm not really concerned about winter and cold starts. I mean, climate is rather temperate here and I tend to hibernate during winter rarely leaving the fireside if it's cold outside. Driving 150 miles per week total Nov-Apr, the cars spend more time idleing than actually seeing the road. That's just church on Sunday, choir rehearsal on a Wednesday and a trip or two off the mountain to check the traps at the grocery and buy a carton of Pall Mall. In season, May-Oct however, it's a 150 mile per day, 7 days per week commute which ends in a 4 mile climb (exceeding 30% grade) on the state's steepest road. The Mercedes don't think twice about that challenge though the mountain takes it's toll on others'. Some coworker is always having transmission or clutch problems, wearing out brake pads, blowing head gaskets or burning valves. The worst thing I've experienced is getting behind someone who can barely negotiate the grade, driving at 5mph and because a/c is running the engine temp climbs 20C. I always let the engine idle and circulate oil through the turbo before shutting down. All that said, it's the ole '85 300D with the most miles, 324K+, sees the bulk of the miles and gets pampered with the most attention in return. (Just got new pads around, valve adjustment, new fuel tank (a previous thread), front end work and fresh blinker fluid. Geez, Elijah, that stuff's expensive!) Task for the day was to read these oil threads, check out Mobile 1 and try to learn what weight would be best to run in the cars. Before I buy eight cases of oil at AutoBarn (10% off and free shipping), according to das Buch it's 10W40??? Tim 1984 300D 223K 1984 300D (non-turbo) 112K 1985 300D 225K (das Boot) 1985 300D 324K (das Rauschgift-Auto) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Not for a diesel MB... They don't seem to use the with SuperSyn anymore either. I ran 0w40 in my 240D for awhile, the engine was noisier with it and it leaked worse. Started good when cold but not any better than with 5w40 and it leaked alot less with 5w40. If I lived somewhere REALLY cold, like where its -20 in the daytime I'd probably use 0w40 but since I don't I'll stick with 5w40 year round. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:38:29 -0500 From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? Don't know the price locally but would work out to $6.99 quart ($41.94 cs.) with free shipping on a combined order from AutoBarn (anyone dealt with them?) There's also a $20. off coupon and and adding a couple of cases to the order would qualify it for that discount. 1984 300D 223K 1984 300D (non-turbo) 112K 1985 300D 225K (das Boot) 1985 300D 324K (das Rauschgift-Auto) - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread [APOLOGIES]
Yeah, sorry, Bob. My fault. I guess it *was* a little insensitive. I didn't intend it to be an oil thread (see my original posting) - just a quick smash-and-grab for clarification. Euan Christchurch NZ It's kinda creepy having an oil thread so soon after Marshall's passing. It's kinda like being a kid and cussing when you know your parents are out of the room. (heavy sigh...) Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Frapper
What happened to our Frapper connections? I used to check out who was where on occasion. I think we have some ex-listers in there also. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No boost in '91 300d/ early results
Don't forget to look at the easy problems 1st - you may have a vacum hose loose - check the one coming out of the vacuum pump. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] No boost in '91 300d/ early results a HA! With a direct connection between the ALDA and intake, and controlled vacuum applied to the turbo control valve via mity vac in car, the turbo IS alive and the car pulls much better. Limited test to two runs of 5 seconds each and 18 vacuum. Won't know how healthy the car really is until getting things done by the local indy reset to original configuration. Initial thoughts of going the easy way- monitoring EGT and limiting pressure to the ALDA through a regulator- not only brought back the your PISTONS will MELT post but of everything else der Doktor would have said, starting with a stern reminder to consider what I THINK I know vs what the teams of Mercedes engineers who designed the engine ACTUALLY knew when they did the work! Will post when finally fixed. Thank You to all! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Make sure it is the Turbo Diesel Truck oil. Timothy Robinson wrote: oops... I mean, then it's 5W40? From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:02:15 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread I'm not really concerned about winter and cold starts. I mean, climate is rather temperate here and I tend to hibernate during winter rarely leaving the fireside if it's cold outside. Driving 150 miles per week total Nov-Apr, the cars spend more time idleing than actually seeing the road. That's just church on Sunday, choir rehearsal on a Wednesday and a trip or two off the mountain to check the traps at the grocery and buy a carton of Pall Mall. In season, May-Oct however, it's a 150 mile per day, 7 days per week commute which ends in a 4 mile climb (exceeding 30% grade) on the state's steepest road. The Mercedes don't think twice about that challenge though the mountain takes it's toll on others'. Some coworker is always having transmission or clutch problems, wearing out brake pads, blowing head gaskets or burning valves. The worst thing I've experienced is getting behind someone who can barely negotiate the grade, driving at 5mph and because a/c is running the engine temp climbs 20C. I always let the engine idle and circulate oil through the turbo before shutting down. All that said, it's the ole '85 300D with the most miles, 324K+, sees the bulk of the miles and gets pampered with the most attention in return. (Just got new pads around, valve adjustment, new fuel tank (a previous thread), front end work and fresh blinker fluid. Geez, Elijah, that stuff's expensive!) Task for the day was to read these oil threads, check out Mobile 1 and try to learn what weight would be best to run in the cars. Before I buy eight cases of oil at AutoBarn (10% off and free shipping), according to das Buch it's 10W40??? Tim 1984 300D 223K 1984 300D (non-turbo) 112K 1985 300D 225K (das Boot) 1985 300D 324K (das Rauschgift-Auto) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Not for a diesel MB... They don't seem to use the with SuperSyn anymore either. I ran 0w40 in my 240D for awhile, the engine was noisier with it and it leaked worse. Started good when cold but not any better than with 5w40 and it leaked alot less with 5w40. If I lived somewhere REALLY cold, like where its -20 in the daytime I'd probably use 0w40 but since I don't I'll stick with 5w40 year round. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:38:29 -0500 From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? Don't know the price locally but would work out to $6.99 quart ($41.94 cs.) with free shipping on a combined order from AutoBarn (anyone dealt with them?) There's also a $20. off coupon and and adding a couple of cases to the order would qualify it for that discount. 1984 300D 223K 1984 300D (non-turbo) 112K 1985 300D 225K (das Boot) 1985 300D 324K (das Rauschgift-Auto) - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
John wrote:I suggested 5w40 over 15w50 is that the 5w40 is the same thing as Mobil Delvac 1 *Exactly* ! The Delvac and Turbo Diesel M1 is made for diesels and is designed to suspend soot better than the regular M1 in 15W50. The 5W40 can be run year round. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: IIRC Marshall used to say that 15-50 would flow as well as 5-40 except in the most extreme cold climates. Therefore I use 15w-50 year round here in NE. The reason I suggested 5w40 over 15w50 is that the 5w40 is the same thing as Mobil Delvac 1 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
The Mobil 1 website is not knowledgable about out older diesels. That website is there to sell oil - The best Synthetic oil I've found is the Mobil 1 Delvac - now labeled Truck Diesel Oil in 5W40 and widely available at many auto chain stores and Walmart among others. Good luck -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Thanks, Tom... See, I'm quite a novice here and I'll admit. Oh, I'm good enough with tools (for a music major) and had years of experience changing the oil (always 10W40) and even replacing brake pads and water pump on the old Continental and the Fleetwood. I'll tackle small repairs like replacing door checks, glow plug relay fuses, etc. but know that if I'm so bold to ruin something because I haven't a clue nor knowledge, it'll be at my own expense. That said, I hear Mobil 1, Mobile 1. Their website... http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/car_care/which_oil/WhichOilOpti on2.aspx ...keeps returning 0W30 as the proper weight. Mercedes already knows - follow their recommendations. As Little Red says to the wolf, You're gonna do me just like the book say! Owner's manual recommends SAE 10W-40 for year round ave. ambient temperatures. I can tell you all you wanna know about relative minor and fully diminished chords and good chord substitutions. I can also argue all day about why I like Baldwin pianos better than Steinway... but you guys are the prophets here and I'm grateful to you. AVERAGE YEAR ROUND, what weight of the Mobile 1 Thanks! Tim From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:27:08 -0600 To: 'Mitch Haley' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Wayer does not have the lubricating properties of oil, even 0 weight oil. As long as it provides the correct oil wedge on the bearing surface and the film strength is strong enough to protect the metals it will work fine. But how will you know? Mercedes already knows - follow their recommendations. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/4/07 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread Timothy Robinson wrote: Mobil 1 with SuperSynTM 0W-30 Any remarks? All the cars in your sig have OM617 engines. If you want to use oil that much thinner than MBZ recommended, water is even thinner and much cheaper, although water's pourability at low temperatures is not as good as Mobil One 0W30. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
John Robbins wrote: The reason I suggested 5w40 over 15w50 is that the 5w40 is the same thing as Mobil Delvac 1 ..and probably has enough TBN to go 25,000 miles on higher sulphur fuel. Diesel truck oil is overkill, but then again, some people would say synthetic oil is overkill. If you are going to pay $4 a quart, may as well get the best, and that's 5W40 diesel oil. Look for the CI-4 rating (or has that been superceded now?) I wonder how long it would take to deplete the buffering agents in 15W50 with an OM617 running ULSD fuel? I bet you could go at least 15k on that stuff with good piston rings. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O/T Car Acronyms
Car Acronyms ACURA: Another Crummy, Useless, Rotten Automobile Asia's Curse Upon Rural America AMC: All Makes Combined A Major Cost A Mutated Car A Morons Car Another Major Catastrophe AUDI: Awfully Unsafe Designs Implemented Accelerates Under Demonic Influence Automobile Under Demonic Influence Another Ugly Deutsche Invention Always Undermining Deutsche Intelligence Automobile Unsafe Designs, Inc. BMW: Big Money Works Bought My Wife Brutal Money Waster Break My Window Break My Windshield Babbling Mechanical Wench Beastly Monstrous Wonder Beautiful Masterpieces on Wheels Beautiful Mechanical Wonder Barely Moving Wreck Big Money Waste Big Money. Why? Big Money Works Born Moderately Wealthy Breaks Most Wrenches Bring More Wrenches Brings Me Women Brings More Women Broken Money Waster Broke My Wallet Broken Monstrous Wonder Bumbling Mechanical Wretch Blasphemous Motorized Wreck BUICK: Big Ugly Indestructible Car Killer Big Ugly Imitation Chrome King CHEVROLET: Can Hear Every Valve Rap On Long Extended Trips Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Runs On Luck Every Time Cracked Heads, Every Valve Rattles, Oil Leaks Every Time Constantly Having Every Vehicle Recalled Over Lousy Engineering Techniques DODGE: Drips Oil Drops Grease Everywhere Damn Old Dirty Gas Eater Dead Old Dog Going East Dead On Day Guarantee Expires Dead On Delivery, Go Easy Dead On Delivery, Guarantee Expired Dead Or Dying Garbage Emitter Dear Old Dads Garage Experiment Daily Overhauls Do Get Expensive EDSEL: Every Day Something Else Leaks FIAT: Failure in Italian Automotive Technology Fix It Again, Tony! Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation FORD: Frigin' Old Rebuilt Dodge Fix Or Repair Daily Found On Road Dead Fast Only Rolling Downhill First On Race Day First On Recall Day Fabricated Of Refried Dung Fails On Rainy Days Fantastically Orgasmic Realistic Dream Fatally Obese Redneck Driver Fault Of RD Finally Obsolete Racing Device Fireball On Rear Denting First On Road to Dump First On Rust and Deterioration Fix Or Recycle Dilemma Flipping Over Results in Death Flipped Over Roadside Disaster Follow Our Rusty Dogsled Foot On Road Decelerates Forced On Reluctant Drivers Formed Of Rejected DNA Forwarded Once; Return Denied Forward Only; Reverse Defective Forlorn, Old, Ratridden Dustbin Fork Over Repair Dough Fouled Out Re-done Dodge Frequent Overhaul, Rapid Deterioration Free Or Reduced Drastically Frequent Opinion: Really Disappointed Fumes and Odors Readily Detectable Funny Old Rattling Dump (backwards) Driver Returns On Foot GEO: Good Engineering Overlooked GM: General Maintenance Great Mistake Garbage Motors Generally Miserable Grossly Misconceived Gluteus Maximus GMC: Garage Man's Companion Gotta Mechanic Coming? Generally Mediocre Cars Get More Chicks Gets Mechanics Crazy Gods Mechanical Curse Got More Crap Great Mountain Climber Great Motor Car GTO: Gas, Tires, Oil HONDA: Had One Never Did Again Hang On, Not Done Accelerating Hallmark Of Non-Descript Automobiles Hallmark Of Non-Destructable Automobiles HYUNDAI: Hope You Understand Nothing's Driveable And Inexpensive... JEEP: Just Eats Every Part Junk Engineering Executed Poorly MAZDA: Most Always Zipping Dangerously Along MG: Money Guzzler MGB: Might Go Backwards MGF: Might Go Forward MIATA: My Intention: Always To Accelerate MOPAR: Many Odd Parts Arranged Randomly Miscellaneous Oddball Parts Assembled Ridiculously Most Often Passed At Races Mostly Old Parts And Rust Move Over People Are Racing Move Over Plymouth Approaching Rapidly My Old Pig Ain't Running My Only Problems Are Repairs MUSTANG: Motor Under Strain, Transmission Almost No Good OLDSMOBILE: Overpriced, Leisurely Driven Sedan Made Of Buick's Irregular Leftover Equipment PINTO: Put In Nickel To Operate Paid Inspector Nicely To Overlook PLYMOUTH: Please Leave Your Money Out Under The Hood PONTIAC: Poor Old Nigger Thinks Its A Cadillac PORSCHE: Proof Of Rich Spoiled Children Having Everything SAAB: Send Another Automobile Back Swedish Automobiles Always Breakdown Sad Attempt At Beauty Sorry Auto, Always Broken Shape Appears Ass-Backwards SUBARU: Screwed Up Beyond All Repair Usually TOYOTA: Too Often Yankees Overprice This Auto Torturous On Your Old Tired Ass The One You Ought To Avoid TRIUMPH: This Really Is Unreliable Man, Please Help! Tried Repairing It Until My Parts Hurt! VOLVO: Very Odd Looking Vehicular Object VW: Virtually Worthless ___ Metchat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://autoclubs.ca/mailman/listinfo/metchat -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Timothy Robinson wrote: Task for the day was to read these oil threads, check out Mobile 1 and try to learn what weight would be best to run in the cars. Before I buy eight cases of oil at AutoBarn (10% off and free shipping), according to das Buch it's 10W40??? I don't have a 617 book handy at the moment. For my M102, 10W40 and 10W50 are OK for all temps over -4F and 15W40 is recommended for any temp over 5F. 10W30 is NOT recommended above 50F, and 5W30 is not recommended above 14F. Per Marshall, IIRC, 15W50 was fine down ot -10F or -20F, and it was his 2nd favorite oil. He'd rather have Delvac One truck oil, or M1 5W40 turbo diesel formula, which is the same thing. I buy oil at Walmart usually. Last time I was there, the price for 4qts of 5W40 was about the same ($22-23) as five quarts of 15W50. I'd buy the 5W40 diesel oil if the price were closer. Both the 15W50 and 5W40 can be hard to find at times. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Mitch Haley wrote: If you are going to pay $4 a quart, may as well get the best, and that's 5W40 diesel oil. Where are you getting it for $4 a quart? Walmart doesn't sell the 5w40 around me... I have to get it from Autozone at $6 a quart. Might be worth driving 30 miles to the next town's Walmart for that much of a price difference! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frapper
Bill, IIRC, I had set up one for the BenzBunch, one for MBCABunch and one for the RitterBunch (or something like them). Some folks were concerned about security of posting pictures and locations... And they just sorta' sputtered... No one that I know of has joined in a long time.. But, they're still out there. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Bill wrote: What happened to our Frapper connections? I used to check out who was where on occasion. I think we have some ex-listers in there also. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frapper
IIRC, the only people who were worried about that was Stu and Hank. But, they are quite paranoid. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frapper Bill, IIRC, I had set up one for the BenzBunch, one for MBCABunch and one for the RitterBunch (or something like them). Some folks were concerned about security of posting pictures and locations... And they just sorta' sputtered... No one that I know of has joined in a long time.. But, they're still out there. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Bill wrote: What happened to our Frapper connections? I used to check out who was where on occasion. I think we have some ex-listers in there also. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
John Robbins wrote: Where are you getting it for $4 a quart? Walmart doesn't sell the 5w40 around me... I have to get it from Autozone at $6 a quart. The Walmart near me sells a gallon for a bit over $20, so not much difference. When 5qts of 15W50 is also a bit over $20, I buy that instead (that's where I got my $4 a quart figure). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Car Acronyms
LOL! MERCEDES: Mechanically Excellent Rugged Car Eliminates Driver Ennui Superbly On Dec 4, 2007 5:08 PM, Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car Acronyms ACURA: Another Crummy, Useless, Rotten Automobile Asia's Curse Upon Rural America AMC: All Makes Combined A Major Cost A Mutated Car A Morons Car Another Major Catastrophe AUDI: Awfully Unsafe Designs Implemented Accelerates Under Demonic Influence Automobile Under Demonic Influence Another Ugly Deutsche Invention Always Undermining Deutsche Intelligence Automobile Unsafe Designs, Inc. BMW: Big Money Works Bought My Wife Brutal Money Waster Break My Window Break My Windshield Babbling Mechanical Wench Beastly Monstrous Wonder Beautiful Masterpieces on Wheels Beautiful Mechanical Wonder Barely Moving Wreck Big Money Waste Big Money. Why? Big Money Works Born Moderately Wealthy Breaks Most Wrenches Bring More Wrenches Brings Me Women Brings More Women Broken Money Waster Broke My Wallet Broken Monstrous Wonder Bumbling Mechanical Wretch Blasphemous Motorized Wreck BUICK: Big Ugly Indestructible Car Killer Big Ugly Imitation Chrome King CHEVROLET: Can Hear Every Valve Rap On Long Extended Trips Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Runs On Luck Every Time Cracked Heads, Every Valve Rattles, Oil Leaks Every Time Constantly Having Every Vehicle Recalled Over Lousy Engineering Techniques DODGE: Drips Oil Drops Grease Everywhere Damn Old Dirty Gas Eater Dead Old Dog Going East Dead On Day Guarantee Expires Dead On Delivery, Go Easy Dead On Delivery, Guarantee Expired Dead Or Dying Garbage Emitter Dear Old Dads Garage Experiment Daily Overhauls Do Get Expensive EDSEL: Every Day Something Else Leaks FIAT: Failure in Italian Automotive Technology Fix It Again, Tony! Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation FORD: Frigin' Old Rebuilt Dodge Fix Or Repair Daily Found On Road Dead Fast Only Rolling Downhill First On Race Day First On Recall Day Fabricated Of Refried Dung Fails On Rainy Days Fantastically Orgasmic Realistic Dream Fatally Obese Redneck Driver Fault Of RD Finally Obsolete Racing Device Fireball On Rear Denting First On Road to Dump First On Rust and Deterioration Fix Or Recycle Dilemma Flipping Over Results in Death Flipped Over Roadside Disaster Follow Our Rusty Dogsled Foot On Road Decelerates Forced On Reluctant Drivers Formed Of Rejected DNA Forwarded Once; Return Denied Forward Only; Reverse Defective Forlorn, Old, Ratridden Dustbin Fork Over Repair Dough Fouled Out Re-done Dodge Frequent Overhaul, Rapid Deterioration Free Or Reduced Drastically Frequent Opinion: Really Disappointed Fumes and Odors Readily Detectable Funny Old Rattling Dump (backwards) Driver Returns On Foot GEO: Good Engineering Overlooked GM: General Maintenance Great Mistake Garbage Motors Generally Miserable Grossly Misconceived Gluteus Maximus GMC: Garage Man's Companion Gotta Mechanic Coming? Generally Mediocre Cars Get More Chicks Gets Mechanics Crazy Gods Mechanical Curse Got More Crap Great Mountain Climber Great Motor Car GTO: Gas, Tires, Oil HONDA: Had One Never Did Again Hang On, Not Done Accelerating Hallmark Of Non-Descript Automobiles Hallmark Of Non-Destructable Automobiles HYUNDAI: Hope You Understand Nothing's Driveable And Inexpensive... JEEP: Just Eats Every Part Junk Engineering Executed Poorly MAZDA: Most Always Zipping Dangerously Along MG: Money Guzzler MGB: Might Go Backwards MGF: Might Go Forward MIATA: My Intention: Always To Accelerate MOPAR: Many Odd Parts Arranged Randomly Miscellaneous Oddball Parts Assembled Ridiculously Most Often Passed At Races Mostly Old Parts And Rust Move Over People Are Racing Move Over Plymouth Approaching Rapidly My Old Pig Ain't Running My Only Problems Are Repairs MUSTANG: Motor Under Strain, Transmission Almost No Good OLDSMOBILE: Overpriced, Leisurely Driven Sedan Made Of Buick's Irregular Leftover Equipment PINTO: Put In Nickel To Operate Paid Inspector Nicely To Overlook PLYMOUTH: Please Leave Your Money Out Under The Hood PONTIAC: Poor Old Nigger Thinks Its A Cadillac PORSCHE: Proof Of Rich Spoiled Children Having Everything SAAB: Send Another Automobile Back Swedish Automobiles Always Breakdown Sad Attempt At Beauty Sorry Auto, Always Broken Shape Appears Ass-Backwards SUBARU: Screwed Up Beyond All Repair Usually TOYOTA: Too Often Yankees Overprice This Auto Torturous On Your Old Tired Ass The One You Ought To Avoid TRIUMPH: This Really Is Unreliable Man, Please Help! Tried Repairing It Until My Parts Hurt! VOLVO: Very Odd Looking Vehicular Object VW: Virtually Worthless ___ Metchat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://autoclubs.ca/mailman/listinfo/metchat -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives
[MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota
I believe that a poster on another list is mistaken but I thought that I would check with the experts first before I posted anything. There has been a claim that the OM617 engine was available as a special order by Dodge for the Dakota series of small pickup trucks in the 85-86 timeframe. I know that during the '80s lots of foreign made diesels were used in various lines, but this is the first that I have heard of a Mercedes engine being a factory option for any other car line. Any truth to this idea? Todd Smith Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota
Curious where you heard that? I sure have never heard of it before. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Smith, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota I believe that a poster on another list is mistaken but I thought that I would check with the experts first before I posted anything. There has been a claim that the OM617 engine was available as a special order by Dodge for the Dakota series of small pickup trucks in the 85-86 timeframe. I know that during the '80s lots of foreign made diesels were used in various lines, but this is the first that I have heard of a Mercedes engine being a factory option for any other car line. Any truth to this idea? Todd Smith Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
SOUTH KITSAP A 66-year-old man shot himself in both his legs Saturday afternoon while trying to loosen a stubborn lug nut with a 12-gauge shotgun. Kitsap County sheriff's deputies were called to the residence on the 10800 block of SE Olympiad Drive at 2:57 p.m. after the shooting was reported to 911 emergency dispatchers, said Deputy Scott Wilson, a sheriff's office spokesman. Nobody else was there and he wasn't intoxicated, Wilson said. South Kitsap Fire and Rescue medics treated the man at the scene. He was taken to Tacoma General Hospital. Wilson said his injuries were severe but not life-threatening. Deputies at the scene reported the man blasted double-ought buckshot at the wheel from arm's length, Wilson said. The deputies described the man's legs as peppered from his feet to his mid-abdomen with pellets, pieces of the wheel and other debris. Some injuries went as far up as his chin. The man had been repairing the Lincoln Continental for two weeks, and had removed all the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one. He's bound and determined to get that lug nut off, Wilson said, who did not know how long the man had been trying to free the lug nut. The deputies did not take a statement from the man beyond what they were able to gather while he was being treated by medics. I don't think he was in any condition to say anything, Wilson said. The pain was so severe, and the shock. E.W. Scripps Co. http://www.scripps.com © 2007 Kitsap Sun Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV My other auto is a .45 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota
I might add that I do not see diesel as on option in the dakota in 87, which is I think the first year of that. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Smith, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota I believe that a poster on another list is mistaken but I thought that I would check with the experts first before I posted anything. There has been a claim that the OM617 engine was available as a special order by Dodge for the Dakota series of small pickup trucks in the 85-86 timeframe. I know that during the '80s lots of foreign made diesels were used in various lines, but this is the first that I have heard of a Mercedes engine being a factory option for any other car line. Any truth to this idea? Todd Smith Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota
There was a diesel available for the D50 but it was not a Mercedes engine. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Smith, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/4/07 4:40 PM Subject: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota I believe that a poster on another list is mistaken but I thought that I would check with the experts first before I posted anything. There has been a claim that the OM617 engine was available as a special order by Dodge for the Dakota series of small pickup trucks in the 85-86 timeframe. I know that during the '80s lots of foreign made diesels were used in various lines, but this is the first that I have heard of a Mercedes engine being a factory option for any other car line. Any truth to this idea? Todd Smith Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota
On Dec 4, 2007 2:39 PM, Smith, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that a poster on another list is mistaken but I thought that I would check with the experts first before I posted anything. There has been a claim that the OM617 engine was available as a special order by Dodge for the Dakota series of small pickup trucks in the 85-86 timeframe. Nonsense. A. The Dakota didn't exist until 1990. Remember what a big deal the ad campaign made about it being the first midsize truck? B. Until the DaimlerChrysler merger in 1993, Chrysler had never sold their trucks with anyone else's engines except Cummins, unless you count badge-engineered Mitsubishis like the D50 (Mighty Max) and Raider (Montero). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
But they don't say if he got the wheel off. They say he was hit by debris from the wheel but do not say if he was successful. I really hope the poor devil got the wheel off so he doesn't have to do that again. (But I do understand his frustration. I've been tempted on occasion to do things I know I will regret when working on vehicles.) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Gilmore Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:49 PM To: mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake SOUTH KITSAP A 66-year-old man shot himself in both his legs Saturday afternoon while trying to loosen a stubborn lug nut with a 12-gauge shotgun. Kitsap County sheriff's deputies were called to the residence on the 10800 block of SE Olympiad Drive at 2:57 p.m. after the shooting was reported to 911 emergency dispatchers, said Deputy Scott Wilson, a sheriff's office spokesman. Nobody else was there and he wasn't intoxicated, Wilson said. South Kitsap Fire and Rescue medics treated the man at the scene. He was taken to Tacoma General Hospital. Wilson said his injuries were severe but not life-threatening. Deputies at the scene reported the man blasted double-ought buckshot at the wheel from arm's length, Wilson said. The deputies described the man's legs as peppered from his feet to his mid-abdomen with pellets, pieces of the wheel and other debris. Some injuries went as far up as his chin. The man had been repairing the Lincoln Continental for two weeks, and had removed all the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one. He's bound and determined to get that lug nut off, Wilson said, who did not know how long the man had been trying to free the lug nut. The deputies did not take a statement from the man beyond what they were able to gather while he was being treated by medics. I don't think he was in any condition to say anything, Wilson said. The pain was so severe, and the shock. E.W. Scripps Co. http://www.scripps.com © 2007 Kitsap Sun Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV My other auto is a .45 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil sales
I have the same opinion of Amsoil. They make a good product but their marketing plan is just short of criminal. Well, yes, but if you sell enough you might get a pink Cadillac. RLE ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frappr security
IIRC, the only people who were worried about that was Stu and Hank. But, they are quite paranoid. Just the hand-wringing of two old women. RLE ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Agreed. I grew up using filtered drain oil in my old junkers that I got for free from the gas station. For me Mobil 1 is a good value-no need being penny wise and pound foolish. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils I'm a Yankee (Ask Rusty), no sense throwing it away until it's used up! Pete -- Original message -- From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had the oil tested by Larry's system in the 300D 2.5. I ran it 13K and the soot was .9 out of 2.0 allowed. So you might be right, Pete, -maybe 20K. I know, we need to do TBN test also to run that far. I agree with Curt about frequently changing oil-even with a top sucker, my time is worth something, esp. when I change it in my driveway with no garage. FWIW Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI- Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete -- Original message -- enz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
Did not use Gump for much yesterday other than early morning school drop off, then used the AWD van to get through the rain and wind. Gump has really weak wipers, inefficient defog, and I did not relish finding out how well she could ford the impromptu lakes that spawned in the middle of town. This morning I find out there was massive flooding ... inside Gump. clay On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:34, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 2:19 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing but some water over the roadways here. Since we have the Honda CRV, neither of the Benzes has seen a drop yet. Brian Same situation here (Columbia County, Oregon). Enough water on the road that I've been driving my Trooper rather than ford streams with the 300D. No power outages, and no flooding on my property to speak of since I'm up on a hill, but I know people in lower-lying areas are having trouble. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
Heartbreak Hoteland it won't dry out there 'til...it never dries out there does it? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms Did not use Gump for much yesterday other than early morning school drop off, then used the AWD van to get through the rain and wind. Gump has really weak wipers, inefficient defog, and I did not relish finding out how well she could ford the impromptu lakes that spawned in the middle of town. This morning I find out there was massive flooding ... inside Gump. clay On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:34, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 2:19 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing but some water over the roadways here. Since we have the Honda CRV, neither of the Benzes has seen a drop yet. Brian Same situation here (Columbia County, Oregon). Enough water on the road that I've been driving my Trooper rather than ford streams with the 300D. No power outages, and no flooding on my property to speak of since I'm up on a hill, but I know people in lower-lying areas are having trouble. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
The man had been repairing the Lincoln Continental for two weeks, and had removed all the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one. I'd rather put the others back on loose, put a long breaker bar on the stuck nut, and drive forward. (assuming I were that desperate) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are My Expectations Too High?
Redghost wrote: Offer $1500 and walk away If it ran nice maybe. $500 for a non-starter, after making sure the cam turns with the crank. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
There is a chance that July might bring reduced relative humidity. clay On 4 Dec 2007, at 15:29, Robert Rentfro wrote: Heartbreak Hoteland it won't dry out there 'til...it never dries out there does it? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms Did not use Gump for much yesterday other than early morning school drop off, then used the AWD van to get through the rain and wind. Gump has really weak wipers, inefficient defog, and I did not relish finding out how well she could ford the impromptu lakes that spawned in the middle of town. This morning I find out there was massive flooding ... inside Gump. clay On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:34, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 2:19 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing but some water over the roadways here. Since we have the Honda CRV, neither of the Benzes has seen a drop yet. Brian Same situation here (Columbia County, Oregon). Enough water on the road that I've been driving my Trooper rather than ford streams with the 300D. No power outages, and no flooding on my property to speak of since I'm up on a hill, but I know people in lower-lying areas are having trouble. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
Hi, As a grease rack apprentice at Z-Frank Chevrolet service center I rotated tires at least twice a day. Every one of the lug nuts was brushed with white grease. That was 1965 and I always do the grease on all lugs. We did not torque back then and never had a complaint of loose or tight. Ed in Chicago R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they don't say if he got the wheel off. They say he was hit by debris from the wheel but do not say if he was successful. I really hope the poor devil got the wheel off so he doesn't have to do that again. (But I do understand his frustration. I've been tempted on occasion to do things I know I will regret when working on vehicles.) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Gilmore Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:49 PM To: mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake SOUTH KITSAP A 66-year-old man shot himself in both his legs Saturday afternoon while trying to loosen a stubborn lug nut with a 12-gauge shotgun. Kitsap County sheriff's deputies were called to the residence on the 10800 block of SE Olympiad Drive at 2:57 p.m. after the shooting was reported to 911 emergency dispatchers, said Deputy Scott Wilson, a sheriff's office spokesman. Nobody else was there and he wasn't intoxicated, Wilson said. South Kitsap Fire and Rescue medics treated the man at the scene. He was taken to Tacoma General Hospital. Wilson said his injuries were severe but not life-threatening. Deputies at the scene reported the man blasted double-ought buckshot at the wheel from arm's length, Wilson said. The deputies described the man's legs as peppered from his feet to his mid-abdomen with pellets, pieces of the wheel and other debris. Some injuries went as far up as his chin. The man had been repairing the Lincoln Continental for two weeks, and had removed all the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one. He's bound and determined to get that lug nut off, Wilson said, who did not know how long the man had been trying to free the lug nut. The deputies did not take a statement from the man beyond what they were able to gather while he was being treated by medics. I don't think he was in any condition to say anything, Wilson said. The pain was so severe, and the shock. E.W. Scripps Co. © 2007 Kitsap Sun Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV My other auto is a .45 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
As a teenager I recall removal of a single lug nut from a 69 cadillac out on the farm that took all day. After rounding the nut off via crude use of vice-grips and a 4 foot length of piping, I believe we resorted to using a hack saw and cold chisel to split the nut. Sadly there was no welding torch handy otherwise we would have tried a bit of heat first. No guns, but likely one would have been used on the idiot who air torqued it to infinity and beyond when they had installed the new tires. Now I have only knowledgeable folks install lug nuts with a torque wrench, and then I double-check them when I get the vehicle home. On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:58 PM, R A Bennell wrote: But they don't say if he got the wheel off. They say he was hit by debris from the wheel but do not say if he was successful. I really hope the poor devil got the wheel off so he doesn't have to do that again. (But I do understand his frustration. I've been tempted on occasion to do things I know I will regret when working on vehicles.) Randy John 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 214k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Car Acronyms
I notice that Mercedes was left out? most expensive rodbender car ever, Diesel engine stopped! Most excellent riding car ever, don't ever sell!. Mighty European ride caused extreme debt every servicing! Last but not least, Marshall's expertise rang clearly, every day, every sentence. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Car Acronyms
Kevin acronyzed: Marshall's expertise rang clearly, every day, every sentence. Sweet. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] marshall booth photo
That's a nice piccy of him, all that's missing is a bottle of M1 in his hand :-) Hendrik whose cars are not that clean or as well maintained R A Bennell wrote: http://www.frappr.com/benzbunch/photos/436338 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] murder update
http://www.bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=157334zoneid=164 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://www.bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=157334zoneid=164 I've seen the same news source bounce back and forth between husband and boyfriend. It's husband, right? Here's one for the freudian slip department: Hart, dressed in orange jail garb, his long dreadlocks reaching his waste... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
That is one attractive young gentleman. When this event came to be known, my vision of the perp bore extremely strong resemblance to that image, being familiar with some of the more economically and mentally challenged inhabitants of that area. Manners prevent me from a more precise description that I am sure many of you would agree with. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://www.bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=157334zoneid=164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
I am still not sure on that. We always thought they were married, then when the news started is said boyfriend so was not sure. Not its husband. We hare checking to see if they were really married or not. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://www.bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=157334zoneid=164 I've seen the same news source bounce back and forth between husband and boyfriend. It's husband, right? Here's one for the freudian slip department: Hart, dressed in orange jail garb, his long dreadlocks reaching his waste... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
you hit the nail on the head. Rich Thomas wrote: That is one attractive young gentleman. When this event came to be known, my vision of the perp bore extremely strong resemblance to that image, being familiar with some of the more economically and mentally challenged inhabitants of that area. Manners prevent me from a more precise description that I am sure many of you would agree with. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://www.bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=157334zoneid=164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, HD again, has anybody ever jewed down a big box store?
If you live where you get good reception, broadcast HD is better than cable or satellite. On Dec 4, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: I hooked up an antenna yesterday to see if I could get the over the air local HD channels. WOW, that works great. I cant believe the difference. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota
On Dec 4, 2007 4:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I see it looks like the Dakota started in 87. The Daimler Chrysler merger was in 98. Yeah, you're right, according to Wikipedia. Funny, I don't remember them being on the road or on the TV when I was in high school (class of '89). Also right about the D-C merger. I was thinking of the Great Renaming and the associated cost-cutting plan that created the decontented W140, etc. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
They say he was hit by debris from the wheel but do not say if he was successful. Having spent one pleasant afternoon shooting the crap out of a junker car with my family, I am skeptical that there was anything but lead spatter involved. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
I always found that my 115 cars were prety good at fording flooded roads, plus the rusted through floor boards let the water OUT. On Dec 4, 2007 5:27 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did not use Gump for much yesterday other than early morning school drop off, then used the AWD van to get through the rain and wind. Gump has really weak wipers, inefficient defog, and I did not relish finding out how well she could ford the impromptu lakes that spawned in the middle of town. This morning I find out there was massive flooding ... inside Gump. clay -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
Ah - but we're talking about a Frod here --- On Dec 4, 2007 8:01 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They say he was hit by debris from the wheel but do not say if he was successful. Having spent one pleasant afternoon shooting the crap out of a junker car with my family, I am skeptical that there was anything but lead spatter involved. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody heard from?
Curt. Driveshaft for manual Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT Bent 300TD At 03:45 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: I was just thinking about Johnny B the other day. Thinking he'd ought to be back from his last FEMA thing by now... He's got (or had anyway) a 190D for Fred, I can't remember what I wanted off that car now though... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
OK Don wrote: Ah - but we're talking about a Frod here --- And likely with aluminum wheels. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota
A. The Dakota didn't exist until 1990. BZT, WRONG! It came out for the 1987 model year. My dad was going to buy a used '87, but opted instead to buy the new '92 for $6K more. It was a pretty good truck, a 2WD LE V6 regular cab. It came with everything power other than crank windows which my dad liked. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
This morning I find out there was massive flooding ... inside Gump. Ursula faired pretty well, but we'll see about the trunk when the spare tire comes out. No one was available to drive the car into the tire shop, so hopefully, tomorrow will work out. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300Sd 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
and it won't dry out there 'til...it never dries out there does it? Not until after the 4th of July. :-) Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Porsche, the company
There was some discussion recently about the business side of Porsche. I just ran across this and thought someone might be interested: Porsche, which is not listed on the Dax index, earned more money trading derivatives than from selling cars in its fiscal year that ended July 31. Stock-option transactions contributed a pretax of 3.59 billion euros to the group's results. Total net profit came to 4.242 billion euros, more than three times the result of 1.393 billion one year earlier, as cited by AFP. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2987214,00.html -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
Need to develop a 115 rusted-out floor board check valve. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms I always found that my 115 cars were prety good at fording flooded roads, plus the rusted through floor boards let the water OUT. On Dec 4, 2007 5:27 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did not use Gump for much yesterday other than early morning school drop off, then used the AWD van to get through the rain and wind. Gump has really weak wipers, inefficient defog, and I did not relish finding out how well she could ford the impromptu lakes that spawned in the middle of town. This morning I find out there was massive flooding ... inside Gump. clay -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Just add rice
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