Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms
Interesting: My '68 Dodge Coronet has rubber plugs about 1 1/2 inches dia. in the floors too. I removed one and didn't replace it. Since I had the interior stripped in order to save weight, I could watch the pavement. Brian On Dec 5, 2007 8:41 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay... When you wrote I used a drill to provide weep holes in the rear footwell reminded me of old Volkswagen I used to have. In college I delivered a newspaper route every morning. Riding for hours in the rain with windows down often the doors would get full of water. You could hear it sloshing around when you drove. I drilled holes in the doors and floorpans just to let the water drain. My old Jeep CJ7 had drainplugs you could remove in the floor. From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:26:40 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms I used the roll on stuff. It is a HUGE mess and requires protective clothing to keep from being coated oneself. A respirator is a plus, as in the enclosed trunk area the fumes build up well between coats. Took four coats over two hours to get a build up enough to survive the incursion of water and other wear. Best to do on a fairly hot day, so that it cures in a timely manner. It is not as good as the factory coating and does not take daily use well. clay On 5 Dec 2007, at 18:11, Timothy Robinson wrote: I've often wondered what it'd be like to have one of those Rhino linings sprayed in the trunk and floorboards? I've seen it done in old Jeeps. From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:10:38 -0600 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms Look at the bright side. Once she rusts through, you will no longer have a water retention problem Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms Problem with Gump is that she is still in possession of a solid floor. Trunk was rusted through, so I had BiL help weld a new 16 gauge sheet in and uses bed liner as coating. When Gump arrived at my home, she had a lake in her cabin along with the sopping wet carpet. Removed carpet (with Mario Mushrooms) and still had a few inches of hydraulic ballast. I used a drill to provide weep holes in the rear footwell. No more water seems to flow there, but the front seal is toasted enough to allow liquid additions to the cabin with heavy rain. Could also be some rust through from the vent firewall area. clay On 4 Dec 2007, at 19:31, Robert Rentfro wrote: Need to develop a 115 rusted-out floor board check valve. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pacific NW Gets Battered By Storms I always found that my 115 cars were prety good at fording flooded roads, plus the rusted through floor boards let the water OUT. On Dec 4, 2007 5:27 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did not use Gump for much yesterday other than early morning school drop off, then used the AWD van to get through the rain and wind. Gump has really weak wipers, inefficient defog, and I did not relish finding out how well she could ford the impromptu lakes that spawned in the middle of town. This morning I find out there was massive flooding ... inside Gump. clay -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge
Howdy - Even with low miles driven it's still important to change the oil at least yearly. Once in 20 years is a little long. That's an understatement for those who don;t know - it's wy too long. ;-) Synthetic may last longer - never needed to know that - but I have never seen any oil or car company suggest going longer than that - Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] Oil sludge I changed the oil in a '77 Super Beetle the other day. The car has 5,196 documented miles on it, and the oil was last changed at a VW dealer 1000 miles ago in 1988. It had been changed twice before that and the car sat for 15 years until recently. Imagine my surprise to find the oil screen and its cover plate covered in thick, thick sludge. I can't imagine non-detergent oils were used as recently as '77; were they? I guess the stuff fell out of solution during its slumber. Does that sound like something that would actually happen? Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Moose on a wire! - Mooseonwire.jpg
Yes, my brother sent me this when he was living in Alaska at the time. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Moose on a wire! - Mooseonwire.jpg Snopes confirms this to be a true story/picture, but it took place in 2004. http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/poormoose.asp On Dec 5, 2007 5:20 PM, Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAVE YOU SEEN MY MOOSE? Without the picture, this would be hard to believe. Unbelievable!Read under the picture... []Pogo Moose Incident - Fairbanks , Alaska They were laying new power cables which were strung on the ground for miles. The moose are rutting right now and very agitated. He was thrashing around and got his antlers stuck in the cables. When the men (miles away) began pulling the lines up with their big equipment, the moose went up with them. They noticed excess tension in the lines and went searching for the problem. He was still alive when they lowered him to the ground. He was a huge 60 inch bull and slightly peeved! ._,_.___ -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
This has been beaten to death. But, you have chosen to dispose of oil that has about 80% of it's value left. Do you do this with fuel also? Scotch? If you Don't mind the extra cost, how about running the oil longer and sending that money to Shriner's Hospital? Pete -- Original message -- From: Walt Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I don't know about anybody else, but when I was using Deno oil I would go 2000 to 3000 miles depending on freeway or town driving. When I changed to Synthetic I moved up to 5000 between changes as most of my mileage is about 10 to 30 miles daily. An ole' saying, Oil is cheaper than metal. I feel comfortable with 5000 mile changes and don't mind the cost and when I get ready to sell I'm sure the next owner will appreciate the extra care. Since I change the oil myself my only cost is, Oil and filter.. Walt Lasher Seattle 1992 S350/300SD -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3284 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071205/9814334 e/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually all the stuff in the engine compartment. The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. If high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties are tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the oil and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with dirt into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is a good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past the rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak rings - or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the contaminates to the filter for removal. Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile solutions. HTHs Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head gaskets, unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe wear by the type amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to discover (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers have worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going elsewhere. Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that the new KN filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 10:52 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frapper
Thanks Chuck and Kaleb - Not a big deal, I just liked putting a car and location, and occasionally a face, with the names I see all the time. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frapper IIRC, the only people who were worried about that was Stu and Hank. But, they are quite paranoid. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frapper Bill, IIRC, I had set up one for the BenzBunch, one for MBCABunch and one for the RitterBunch (or something like them). Some folks were concerned about security of posting pictures and locations... And they just sorta' sputtered... No one that I know of has joined in a long time.. But, they're still out there. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Bill wrote: What happened to our Frapper connections? I used to check out who was where on occasion. I think we have some ex-listers in there also. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
Not always, I'm from Caribou eh? Living right be the Canadian border changes the accent considerably. I also grew up in an affluent suburb of Portland and Fred can tell you that I have a decidedly odd accent, more like I'm from Minnesota... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:56:15 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] murder update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Talking Maine is really pretty easy once you understand the basic rules. 1. Anywhere an R belongs, remove it. (ca', pa'k, ga'age, chu'ch) 2. Anywhere an R does NOT belong, add it. (warsh -- this is also found in Iowa) 3. Always say son of a whore rather than son of a bitch. 4. Love the New England Patriots and the Boston Red Socks. These rules served me well through two decades of being married to a Maine girl (my ex). D. On Dec 4, 2007 10:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I talked to Regina's dad tonight (what I could understand with the maine accent etc), LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
...Unless the lug nut is on the other side of the car. Even then probably less overall damage than the shotgun. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake The man had been repairing the Lincoln Continental for two weeks, and had removed all the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one. I'd rather put the others back on loose, put a long breaker bar on the stuck nut, and drive forward. (assuming I were that desperate) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
Downeast like in the book it'd be more like sun of a hoeawh pronounced more like hoe-awwh Up country my Uncle Mike (really my Grandfather's brother) said sonof a wh-orr, really the only time he ever talked that slow. -Curt Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:44:10 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] murder update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wonko the Sane wrote: 1. Anywhere an R belongs, remove it. (ca', pa'k, ga'age, chu'ch) 2. Anywhere an R does NOT belong, add it. (warsh -- this is also found in Iowa) 3. Always say son of a whore rather than son of a bitch. In rule #3, you already violated rule #1. In the book M*A*S*H Goes to Maine, I believe the usage was Son of a hoah. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing oil.
I was really surprised how thick conventional 10w40 is at 12F when I was changing my motorcycle oil last weekend. Took FOREVER to flow from through the funnel into the engine, thank goodness I only needed to move 3 quarts. In the spring I'll put in 15w50 Mobil 1 as I too am worried about having enough ZDP but it wasn't available at the place I stopped last week so I took what I could get. -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:50:37 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] changing oil. To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey, want to knowwhat 20/50 looks like, even after driving and warming for 25 mins?? Pretty much like the stuff you put on your pancakes in the morning, only thicker. That would be why NEARLY everyone on this list STRONGLY recommends using Mobil 1 SYNTHETIC oil. Take a quart of Rotella dino and a quart of the thickest Mobil 1 (15w-50). Put the on the porch or the freezer (which ever is colder) overnight and see which one pours better. THEN decide which you want in YOUR crankcase! Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT /Marshall Mode - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
It makes sense, just like having blood tests and urinalysis at doctor's office that drawing oil should give an indication to engine performance. My dad's ole mechanic was rather intuative and used to smell the exhaust to determine how rich the fuel mixture was, if the car was burning oil or coolant. The guy was also deaf and without instruments could feel the engine when he set the timing. From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:01 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually all the stuff in the engine compartment. The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. If high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties are tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the oil and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with dirt into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is a good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past the rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak rings - or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the contaminates to the filter for removal. Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile solutions. HTHs Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head gaskets, unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe wear by the type amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to discover (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers have worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going elsewhere. Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that the new KN filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t Content-Type: text/plain Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota
Posted on a biodiesel list, I didn't think that it was true but I thought that I would check before I said anything. If you haven't heard of it then it must not exist in Mercedes world :) Todd Smith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 17:44 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered Dodge Dakota Curious where you heard that? I sure have never heard of it before. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Accents
Hey! You colonial rabble, I speak English, You have the accents! An you gotter lurnto spek proppa english, like wot eye do. Fred, Neo colonial. Also diesel head At 08:33 AM 12/6/2007, you wrote: Not always, I'm from Caribou eh? Living right be the Canadian border changes the accent considerably. I also grew up in an affluent suburb of Portland and Fred can tell you that I have a decidedly odd accent, more like I'm from Minnesota... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 rear fogs as more tail light
'Did it to my 123 and 126 several years ago. VERY easy to do. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Stupid question/123 intertior trim
I finally just removed the bad plastic trim around windows in both of my 123's after a coupla of replacements. The appropriately painted surfaces underneath looked good and appropriate without the trim. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Yep - as hard as it is to believe, we used to tune all sorts of engines without the benefit of a single computer! ;-) I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar Hiss to know when each carb was adjusted the same. Ahhh -- the good old days. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils It makes sense, just like having blood tests and urinalysis at doctor's office that drawing oil should give an indication to engine performance. My dad's ole mechanic was rather intuative and used to smell the exhaust to determine how rich the fuel mixture was, if the car was burning oil or coolant. The guy was also deaf and without instruments could feel the engine when he set the timing. From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:01 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually all the stuff in the engine compartment. The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. If high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties are tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the oil and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with dirt into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is a good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past the rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak rings - or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the contaminates to the filter for removal. Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile solutions. HTHs Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head gaskets, unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe wear by the type amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to discover (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers have worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going elsewhere. Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that the new KN filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t Content-Type: text/plain Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete - Be a better
[MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
123's, 124's, b126's and others have the fog light positions already in the lenses and bulb holder assemblies, but the appropriate wiring to operate them is missing from US models. To activate the fogs as tail lights, I simply insert the appropriate bulb base from a salvaged bulb holder assembly into the fog position and splice its wire into the existing tail light wire 2 or 3 inches away. Some listers like to activate the fogs as brake lights in the same manner. I like to have more light in the rear ALL the time. VERY easy to do. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
Timothy typed: I guess I haven't followed the whole thread. No, can't fault the guy for accepting the full ask price. Actually the bum that bought it gave $500 over the asking price. I know that if I ever give any amount over an asking price I'll be banished from the list. It was just annoying that he let that guy slide in front of me. The subsequent pub crawl with guys from work half my age was the magic elixir I needed to forget my disappointment in not getting the car. And...it was nice too see I could still keep up with youngsters. Bob.R If it weren't for bad luck... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stupid question/123 interior trim
Yes I id d that on my first 240D-IIRC, someone the list suggested it-looks much better than crumpled vinyl. Will probably do it to my new 240D. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:33 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stupid question/123 intertior trim I finally just removed the bad plastic trim around windows in both of my 123's after a coupla of replacements. The appropriately painted surfaces underneath looked good and appropriate without the trim. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
Curt told us: I also grew up in an affluent suburb of Portland I spend two week in a cottage at Higgins Beach in Sept of '88. Made me love Maine. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually the bum that bought it gave $500 over the asking price. I know that if I ever give any amount over an asking price I'll be banished from the list. It was just annoying that he let that guy slide in front of me. A fool and his money are soon parted... Before I bought my 300D I was looking at a W116 300SD that was an a dealer lot here. Very nice, claimed 79,000 miles. ACC was not working, full heat at all times. This was the Chrysler Servo system. Dealer was in the stratosphere on the price, it *was* a nice vehicle otherwise but still it was a 25 year old W116. We were going back and forth for several weeks and I sensed he was wearing down and just wanted to be rid of it when someone showed up and paid his asking price. I was a little annoyed but since I would not have ever paid that much for the car I did not feel too bad for long. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
Well-the early buck gets the tinworm. FWIW Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:17 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115 Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually the bum that bought it gave $500 over the asking price. I know that if I ever give any amount over an asking price I'll be banished from the list. It was just annoying that he let that guy slide in front of me. A fool and his money are soon parted... Before I bought my 300D I was looking at a W116 300SD that was an a dealer lot here. Very nice, claimed 79,000 miles. ACC was not working, full heat at all times. This was the Chrysler Servo system. Dealer was in the stratosphere on the price, it *was* a nice vehicle otherwise but still it was a 25 year old W116. We were going back and forth for several weeks and I sensed he was wearing down and just wanted to be rid of it when someone showed up and paid his asking price. I was a little annoyed but since I would not have ever paid that much for the car I did not feel too bad for long. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Accents
Fred, For some unknown reason, my latest 240d came with a Union jack badge on the grille. Would you like it? Interesting juxtaposition-sort for like the House of Hanover. Thought it would fit your sense of humour. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Accents Hey! You colonial rabble, I speak English, You have the accents! An you gotter lurnto spek proppa english, like wot eye do. Fred, Neo colonial. Also diesel head At 08:33 AM 12/6/2007, you wrote: Not always, I'm from Caribou eh? Living right be the Canadian border changes the accent considerably. I also grew up in an affluent suburb of Portland and Fred can tell you that I have a decidedly odd accent, more like I'm from Minnesota... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge
So what does one do in a case like this? Engine flush? Oil changes every 500 miles? On Dec 6, 2007 6:58 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - Even with low miles driven it's still important to change the oil at least yearly. Once in 20 years is a little long. That's an understatement for those who don;t know - it's wy too long. ;-) Synthetic may last longer - never needed to know that - but I have never seen any oil or car company suggest going longer than that - Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] Oil sludge I changed the oil in a '77 Super Beetle the other day. The car has 5,196 documented miles on it, and the oil was last changed at a VW dealer 1000 miles ago in 1988. It had been changed twice before that and the car sat for 15 years until recently. Imagine my surprise to find the oil screen and its cover plate covered in thick, thick sludge. I can't imagine non-detergent oils were used as recently as '77; were they? I guess the stuff fell out of solution during its slumber. Does that sound like something that would actually happen? Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Moose on a wire! - Mooseonwire.jpg
That is not new, On Dec 6, 2007 7:21 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, my brother sent me this when he was living in Alaska at the time. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Moose on a wire! - Mooseonwire.jpg Snopes confirms this to be a true story/picture, but it took place in 2004. http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/poormoose.asp On Dec 5, 2007 5:20 PM, Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAVE YOU SEEN MY MOOSE? Without the picture, this would be hard to believe. Unbelievable!Read under the picture... []Pogo Moose Incident - Fairbanks , Alaska They were laying new power cables which were strung on the ground for miles. The moose are rutting right now and very agitated. He was thrashing around and got his antlers stuck in the cables. When the men (miles away) began pulling the lines up with their big equipment, the moose went up with them. They noticed excess tension in the lines and went searching for the problem. He was still alive when they lowered him to the ground. He was a huge 60 inch bull and slightly peeved! ._,_.___ -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trap oxidizer cleaning
On Dec 5, 2007 7:47 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but when that's been done, that part of the exhaust will still get clogged up. Right, Marshall used to always mention a clogged catalytic converter as a possible (though unlikely) cause of power loss on 60x cars. Not sure there was any fix short of replacement. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I used to use a vacume gage to set timing mixture. Sweet running but you had to redo in 5KMI! Pete -- Original message -- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep - as hard as it is to believe, we used to tune all sorts of engines without the benefit of a single computer! ;-) I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar Hiss to know when each carb was adjusted the same. Ahhh -- the good old days. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Timothy Robinson To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils It makes sense, just like having blood tests and urinalysis at doctor's office that drawing oil should give an indication to engine performance. My dad's ole mechanic was rather intuative and used to smell the exhaust to determine how rich the fuel mixture was, if the car was burning oil or coolant. The guy was also deaf and without instruments could feel the engine when he set the timing. From: LarryT Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:01 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually all the stuff in the engine compartment. The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. If high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties are tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the oil and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with dirt into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is a good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past the rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak rings - or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the contaminates to the filter for removal. Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile solutions. HTHs Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond Cc: Diesel List Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head gaskets, unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe wear by the type amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to discover (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers have worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going elsewhere. Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that the new KN filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting Curt Raymond : I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t Content-Type:
Re: [MBZ] O/T Moose on a wire! - Mooseonwire.jpg
Andrew, New is a relative term. I had never seen it before.. So, I guess one might say it is new.. Take care and just pokin' at 'cha! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:56 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: That is not new, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
Pub crawl... as my favorite beverage used to be one more, that would have been dangerous if I were disappoint yet had $1,750. cash in my pocket. How does one pay more than the asking price? I suppose the fact that you were on the way with cash in hand was enough to seal the deal for the other buyer? He should have split the difference with ya! (Yeah, right..) This summer there was a 300D for sale at a dealership in Atlanta. They'd had it listed for weeks. I called from 300 miles away to inquire about the car. They were asking $3,995. plus $199.95 dealer prep charges. (Yeah, right.) I told the saleman on the phone that $2,500. was the max I'd be willing to pay inclusive of any dealer prep charges. An hour later the guy's calling me back after talking with the boss. I arrange to get a friend to go inspect the car that evening to make sure it's consistent with their description, if so to pick the car up. All afternoon the salesman is calling back asking if I would give a credit card number over the phone or initiate a bank wire for a deposit on the vehicle. There's another couple coming this afternoon to look at the car and we want to hold it for you... My response was, Then sell it to them. You've had it sitting there for a month. A week later the guy is calling asking if I'd go $2,000. I knew it was time for me to get out of retail when I once had a sale at the store and some lady remarked about some little kitsch, Such a good deal! What's wrong with it? I replied, Would you like it more if I marked the price up? From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:00:59 -0700 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115 Timothy typed: I guess I haven't followed the whole thread. No, can't fault the guy for accepting the full ask price. Actually the bum that bought it gave $500 over the asking price. I know that if I ever give any amount over an asking price I'll be banished from the list. It was just annoying that he let that guy slide in front of me. The subsequent pub crawl with guys from work half my age was the magic elixir I needed to forget my disappointment in not getting the car. And...it was nice too see I could still keep up with youngsters. Bob.R If it weren't for bad luck... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
hmm... I commute on a bad section of I-40 which is prone to heavy fog. Electronic signs sense the condition and suddenly you're in the soup. The W123 tail lights alone are kinda minimal when 18 wheelers are closing in on you. From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:49:34 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light 123's, 124's, b126's and others have the fog light positions already in the lenses and bulb holder assemblies, but the appropriate wiring to operate them is missing from US models. To activate the fogs as tail lights, I simply insert the appropriate bulb base from a salvaged bulb holder assembly into the fog position and splice its wire into the existing tail light wire 2 or 3 inches away. Some listers like to activate the fogs as brake lights in the same manner. I like to have more light in the rear ALL the time. VERY easy to do. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Ah... the good ole days... we never wasted spent motor oil in the rural South. (EPA would go crazy today!) Every summer the neighbors collectively filled a 55 ga. barrel fitted with a 6 foot wide sprinkler pipe. They'd oil the dirt road to keep the dust settled. I remember how dirty our bare feet would get walking to Trantham's Grocery to get a dope and a Moon Pie. It was about three miles, uphill both ways! A quarter's worth of gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:44:12 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Yep - as hard as it is to believe, we used to tune all sorts of engines without the benefit of a single computer! ;-) I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar Hiss to know when each carb was adjusted the same. Ahhh -- the good old days. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils It makes sense, just like having blood tests and urinalysis at doctor's office that drawing oil should give an indication to engine performance. My dad's ole mechanic was rather intuative and used to smell the exhaust to determine how rich the fuel mixture was, if the car was burning oil or coolant. The guy was also deaf and without instruments could feel the engine when he set the timing. From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:01 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually all the stuff in the engine compartment. The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. If high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties are tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the oil and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with dirt into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is a good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past the rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak rings - or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the contaminates to the filter for removal. Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile solutions. HTHs Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head gaskets, unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe wear by the type amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to discover (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers have worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going elsewhere. Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that the new KN filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. Tom www.kegkits.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge
My brother in law is a mechanic. They had a late model pickup truck in the shop a while back. I can't recall exact details but the gist of it is that the oil they drained out of it was awful. They asked the owner how long since he had it changed. The response was never. The truck had about 240K miles if I recall correctly. He had just added more when it needed oil and had never changed the oil or filter. Apparently it ran fine. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge So what does one do in a case like this? Engine flush? Oil changes every 500 miles? On Dec 6, 2007 6:58 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - Even with low miles driven it's still important to change the oil at least yearly. Once in 20 years is a little long. That's an understatement for those who don;t know - it's wy too long. ;-) Synthetic may last longer - never needed to know that - but I have never seen any oil or car company suggest going longer than that - Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] Oil sludge I changed the oil in a '77 Super Beetle the other day. The car has 5,196 documented miles on it, and the oil was last changed at a VW dealer 1000 miles ago in 1988. It had been changed twice before that and the car sat for 15 years until recently. Imagine my surprise to find the oil screen and its cover plate covered in thick, thick sludge. I can't imagine non-detergent oils were used as recently as '77; were they? I guess the stuff fell out of solution during its slumber. Does that sound like something that would actually happen? Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge
When ole neighbor, Ada McElrath died a few years ago she'd accumulated almost 9,000 miles on her new 1967 Ford Galaxie. She used to tell me, I've had the oil changed every spring whether it needed it or not. From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:55:47 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge So what does one do in a case like this? Engine flush? Oil changes every 500 miles? On Dec 6, 2007 6:58 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - Even with low miles driven it's still important to change the oil at least yearly. Once in 20 years is a little long. That's an understatement for those who don;t know - it's wy too long. ;-) Synthetic may last longer - never needed to know that - but I have never seen any oil or car company suggest going longer than that - Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] Oil sludge I changed the oil in a '77 Super Beetle the other day. The car has 5,196 documented miles on it, and the oil was last changed at a VW dealer 1000 miles ago in 1988. It had been changed twice before that and the car sat for 15 years until recently. Imagine my surprise to find the oil screen and its cover plate covered in thick, thick sludge. I can't imagine non-detergent oils were used as recently as '77; were they? I guess the stuff fell out of solution during its slumber. Does that sound like something that would actually happen? Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frapper
FWIW, the frapper map on the other list was up and running and then someone immediately placed some nasty stuff on the map over in Africa. John On 12/6/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Chuck and Kaleb - Not a big deal, I just liked putting a car and location, and occasionally a face, with the names I see all the time. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frapper IIRC, the only people who were worried about that was Stu and Hank. But, they are quite paranoid. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frapper Bill, IIRC, I had set up one for the BenzBunch, one for MBCABunch and one for the RitterBunch (or something like them). Some folks were concerned about security of posting pictures and locations... And they just sorta' sputtered... No one that I know of has joined in a long time.. But, they're still out there. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Bill wrote: What happened to our Frapper connections? I used to check out who was where on occasion. I think we have some ex-listers in there also. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Accents
Hi. Giles et al. Thank you. I would love an Union Jack badge! I will of course pay p/p expenses When asked about it, the answer will be I.m going there to retire NOT. Fred Moir 8 mace Place Lynn MA 01902-3110 Fred, For some unknown reason, my latest 240d came with a Union jack badge on the grille. Would you like it? Interesting juxtaposition-sort for like the House of Hanover. Thought it would fit your sense of humour. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] trunk strut....?
On the '85 300SD, is there a strut or some other device that holds the trunk lid open? Ever since adding the warning triangle (heavy), it has not stayed open well, but I noticed it being particularly bad this morning (cold)...which made me think there was a strut (cold air, less volume, won't work as well)...or maybe it was just the wind. Thoughts? Thanks, Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 368K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
The little square tail lights on 123's, 124's, 126's and others ARE minimal. I have approached several from behind in inclement weather and could barely see them. That's why I activate my rear fog positions as tail lights. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
Timothy remarked: Pub crawl... as my favorite beverage used to be one more, that would have been dangerous if I were disappoint yet had $1,750. cash in my pocket. $167 lighter, but I picked up the tab for appetizers for 6 at one spot. Not too bad I suppose Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] G-Wagen cabriolet delivered to Pope Benedict XVI - cool
http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/General_News/0,,1369-1372-2094_2233773,00.html Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 368K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
Huh? Wouldn't you just drive backwards then for the same effect? Alex On Dec 6, 2007 5:34 AM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Unless the lug nut is on the other side of the car. Even then probably less overall damage than the shotgun. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake The man had been repairing the Lincoln Continental for two weeks, and had removed all the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one. I'd rather put the others back on loose, put a long breaker bar on the stuck nut, and drive forward. (assuming I were that desperate) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Accents
Great I will send it. There is also a European delivery MB badge, which I think I will keep and add 300K kilometer high mileage badge. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Accents Hi. Giles et al. Thank you. I would love an Union Jack badge! I will of course pay p/p expenses When asked about it, the answer will be I.m going there to retire NOT. Fred Moir 8 mace Place Lynn MA 01902-3110 Fred, For some unknown reason, my latest 240d came with a Union jack badge on the grille. Would you like it? Interesting juxtaposition-sort for like the House of Hanover. Thought it would fit your sense of humour. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
You sure you wasn't drinkin a cocola? --R Timothy Robinson wrote: A quarter's worth of gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
That one got me some strange looks from my laughter while sitting in a waiting room. A break in my usual Driving Miss Rusty [90 yo mil]. Good one Timothy. BillR -Original Message- From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/6/07 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115 I guess you can't fault someone for taking cash on the barrel but I sure hate it when I show up as planned and minutes before the owner has sold to someone else... I'd have been tempted to flash the cash and say, Oh well, guess my $3,000. goes back in savings in the morning. Same thing with those second chance offers on EBay when someone else defaults on a deal and then the owner wants to know if you'd still be interested. It's kinda like when Susie called me after Phillip dumped her and wanted to know if I'd still like to take her to the prom... er... uh... I guess that's another story. Lord, I HATE rejection! From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:52:21 -0700 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115 No...the SOB sold it to someone who got there 10 minutes before I did...for $2500. What's worse, the guy drove it home so I didn't even get to see it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Huh? Wouldn't you just drive backwards then for the same effect? Ya know, I'm beginning to give serious thought to the construction of a 'skid wrench' for emergency tire changes. It should be about 3' long, very stiff, and have something at the end to keep it from digging into the ground. And yes, if it's on the left side of the car, you drive backwards, unless it's a 60's Mopar or a 70's Mazda. My brother had an old (maybe '72-74) Mazda pickup (piston engine). I had quite a time with the lug nuts, until I noticed that one of the left nuts moved a bit and then seemed to get tighter. A careful inspection of the exposed threads on the stud confirmed that it had left hand threads on the left wheels. Did the Ford Courier have lefty lugs, or just the Mazda badged ones? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
Alex - that was an attempt at a joke. Points out how great a percentage of what we communicate is tone, inflection, and body language. BillR -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/6/07 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake Huh? Wouldn't you just drive backwards then for the same effect? Alex On Dec 6, 2007 5:34 AM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Unless the lug nut is on the other side of the car. Even then probably less overall damage than the shotgun. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake The man had been repairing the Lincoln Continental for two weeks, and had removed all the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one. I'd rather put the others back on loose, put a long breaker bar on the stuck nut, and drive forward. (assuming I were that desperate) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Accents
How do you pronounce Moir anyway? Give examples in Maine-ese, English, and American. On Dec 6, 2007 1:14 PM, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Giles et al. Thank you. I would love an Union Jack badge! I will of course pay p/p expenses When asked about it, the answer will be I.m going there to retire NOT. Fred Moir 8 mace Place Lynn MA 01902-3110 Fred, For some unknown reason, my latest 240d came with a Union jack badge on the grille. Would you like it? Interesting juxtaposition-sort for like the House of Hanover. Thought it would fit your sense of humour. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trunk strut....?
I don't think that my '83 'SD has one, just a spring loaded setup that holds the lid up. It doesn't seem too stiff though. I don't have the triangle either. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trunk strut....?
The trunk is aluminum, so they prolly figured a beefy spring was not necessary, but the wind catches it and WATCH YOUR HEAD! With the triangle, it's much worse. I'll have to look more closely because the springs seem to help pull it shut...so what keeps it open? Chris Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that my '83 'SD has one, just a spring loaded setup that holds the lid up. It doesn't seem too stiff though. I don't have the triangle either. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
I've read posters on forums such as MB.org chastise others for running the rear fog lights all the time as if they were a blinding hazzard to the drivers behind. Geez... it's just like an additional tail light! There's nothing quite as harrowing as I putter along in the fog, in my own little world than to look into rear mirror and see an 18 wheeler barreling off the mountain in the curves of I-40 and know that at 80mph and I 55mph he's gonna encounter my ass seconds after I come into view. From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:46:18 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light The little square tail lights on 123's, 124's, 126's and others ARE minimal. I have approached several from behind in inclement weather and could barely see them. That's why I activate my rear fog positions as tail lights. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
Hmph... $167. That's about what my new tie rods cost. I'll find out in about an hour. :) From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:51:35 -0700 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115 Timothy remarked: Pub crawl... as my favorite beverage used to be one more, that would have been dangerous if I were disappoint yet had $1,750. cash in my pocket. $167 lighter, but I picked up the tab for appetizers for 6 at one spot. Not too bad I suppose Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
Does this mod also apply to S124 tail lights? Is this spelled out somewhere? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
It sure wasn't Pepsi. It's too sweet and you have to put peanuts in the bottle to salt it down. CoCaCola... we cherish our syllables here in the South. From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:33:27 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils You sure you wasn't drinkin a cocola? --R Timothy Robinson wrote: A quarter's worth of gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
Timothy Robinson wrote: I've read posters on forums such as MB.org chastise others for running the rear fog lights all the time as if they were a blinding hazzard to the drivers behind. Geez... it's just like an additional tail light! The rear fog light bulbs are double the wattage of the normal tail lights (21 vs 10)... In the right conditions it may not be a blinding hazard, but it does more harm than good (Yes I see you, but I can't see as well around you or in front of you, etc). If nothing else it is extremely annoying. Maybe not in a city with streetlights and such, but out on the highway it is a very sharp contrast. The same applies to running your front fog lights when its not foggy out. It may not be a blinding hazard, but it is throwing more unnecessary light out in front of the car which does add to the glare for oncoming traffic. FWIW, I've found that often if the rear lights look really dim replacing the bulb will nearly double the brightness (the bulbs I've pulled out looked like they had black glass...). Also, MB put some pretty good reflectors in the housing. :) There's nothing quite as harrowing as I putter along in the fog, in my own little world than to look into rear mirror and see an 18 wheeler barreling off the mountain in the curves of I-40 and know that at 80mph and I 55mph he's gonna encounter my ass seconds after I come into view. Which is why they put the rear fog lights there in the first place! ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Timothy Robinson wrote: CoCaCola... we cherish our syllables here in the South. Ha! Where are you at? Not too many listers down this way... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Well, I was Nehi boy, but my granddaddy was a Pepsi man. (But they were all cokes You wanna coke? Sure. Whut kind?) --R Timothy Robinson wrote: It sure wasn't Pepsi. It's too sweet and you have to put peanuts in the bottle to salt it down. CoCaCola... we cherish our syllables here in the South. From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:33:27 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils You sure you wasn't drinkin a cocola? --R Timothy Robinson wrote: A quarter's worth of gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
The guy who sits next to me at work uses M1 10w30 and changes at 4,000 miles. I asked him to bring the used oil in so I could run it in my truck... He hasn't done it yet but I figure I could have free oil changes for years. -Curt Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:18:13 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain This has been beaten to death. But, you have chosen to dispose of oil that has about 80% of it's value left. Do you do this with fuel also? Scotch? If you Don't mind the extra cost, how about running the oil longer and sending that money to Shriner's Hospital? Pete - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I did that with snowmobiles until I inherited a carb synchronizer. So much easier when I can actually measure the airflow. -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:44:12 -0500 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep - as hard as it is to believe, we used to tune all sorts of engines without the benefit of a single computer! ;-) I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar Hiss to know when each carb was adjusted the same. Ahhh -- the good old days. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I just got it... drinkin' rum and co-ca-co-laa... working for the Yankee dah-la-... nope. We didn't even hear that kinda music unless Lawrence Welk had it on his show. Yankee dollar... well, there was this one time that some people from Long Island (by way of Florida) got lost and I changed a tire for them at Trantham's Store. They bought me an Orange Crush for the trouble. I gave 'em directions back to US 1923, ...you come to the fork of the road where the old sawmill used to be... From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:33:27 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils You sure you wasn't drinkin a cocola? --R Timothy Robinson wrote: A quarter's worth of gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: '71 Saab 95
Got a raise yesterday at work (with the promise of longer hours and harder work) and so Saturday I'm going to go check out a '71 Saab 95. AFAIK its been for sale for a year at $2250. I'm thinking to offer $1500 if its in any kind of reasonable shape. Hopefully I'll have better luck, I too have been cut out of a car before. I once arrived to look at a 300D moments after a guy had put a deposit on it. I'd been prepared to pay $2000 (he was asking $3k) and the guy paid $1200... I was pissed, I'd just driven 3 hours. -Curt - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge - Classic VW
Actually, if it were me, I'd change the oil with a quality dino juice, clean the strainer (never just pull the center plug) - and drive it for 1000 miles - long distances of 100 miles each time, then change once more. The engine should be clean. Then change it yearly at least - twice if possible. I hope you're not leaving the gasoline in for such long periods?If you plan to keep the car - and it looks like you are, you may want to add a drain cock so remaining fuel in the tank can be easily drained - or get something to pump out the fuel tank. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge So what does one do in a case like this? Engine flush? Oil changes every 500 miles? On Dec 6, 2007 6:58 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - Even with low miles driven it's still important to change the oil at least yearly. Once in 20 years is a little long. That's an understatement for those who don;t know - it's wy too long. ;-) Synthetic may last longer - never needed to know that - but I have never seen any oil or car company suggest going longer than that - Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] Oil sludge I changed the oil in a '77 Super Beetle the other day. The car has 5,196 documented miles on it, and the oil was last changed at a VW dealer 1000 miles ago in 1988. It had been changed twice before that and the car sat for 15 years until recently. Imagine my surprise to find the oil screen and its cover plate covered in thick, thick sludge. I can't imagine non-detergent oils were used as recently as '77; were they? I guess the stuff fell out of solution during its slumber. Does that sound like something that would actually happen? Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: 12/6/2007 10:11 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: '71 Saab 95
That's what I like about us, in general. We get raises/more money/extra money and we think about buying 30 year old cars vice new cars with the payments attached. We're an odd lot. Bob R. Continuing the 115 search. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 2:14 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] OT: '71 Saab 95 Got a raise yesterday at work (with the promise of longer hours and harder work) and so Saturday I'm going to go check out a '71 Saab 95. AFAIK its been for sale for a year at $2250. I'm thinking to offer $1500 if its in any kind of reasonable shape. Hopefully I'll have better luck, I too have been cut out of a car before. I once arrived to look at a 300D moments after a guy had put a deposit on it. I'd been prepared to pay $2000 (he was asking $3k) and the guy paid $1200... I was pissed, I'd just driven 3 hours. -Curt - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] shop costs
I am not used to paying for repairs in a shop. I try to do most of the work myself given we have a bunch of older vehicles kicking around. Unfortunately, the 98 F150 that my younger son is driving has been in the shop since Tuesday afternoon and we hope to get it back on Friday. I'm beginning to think I may have to mortgage my soul to redeem the truck. It is a dark blue, short box regular cab 4X4 with the 4.2 V6 with a 5 speed. The hydraulic clutch has been acting a bit odd. It did it last winter towards the end but then the weather warmed and all was OK for the summer. I knew it needed attention but ran out of time and warm weather. In any event, Tom said it was getting harder to shift and would grind a bit going into reverse etc. My brother in law is a mechanic and we had him look at it. He suggested changing out the master clutch cylinder. We had him do that but then he could not get it to bleed properly. The result is that we have now had him pull the tranny to change out the slave cylinder and so long as he has it apart, the clutch and related components as well. During this dismantling process, he has learned that the front driveshaft slip joint is seized and that one of the universal joints on it is very stiff. He has located a used front drive shaft in a dismantler's yard for $200. Ford wanted $650. So, I expect we are already over $800 in parts and I can hardly wait to see the labour bill. Unfortunately, it is a big job to do on a 4X4. The exhaust had to be cut to get it out of the way and the manifold studs broke off so he had to drill them. All necessary stuff and it is still a decent truck. About 122K miles on it. Randy in Winterpeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
John Robbins wrote: FWIW, I've found that often if the rear lights look really dim replacing the bulb will nearly double the brightness (the bulbs I've pulled out looked like they had black glass...). Also, MB put some pretty good reflectors in the housing. :) Don't forget the lenses. Diesel tail lights get much brighter if you put the lenses off a gasser on them after 20-30 years. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
On Dec 6, 2007 11:52 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, if it's on the left side of the car, you drive backwards, unless it's a 60's Mopar or a 70's Mazda. Or a Rolls, IIRC. (Maybe not now that they are owned by BMW...) Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget the lenses. Diesel tail lights get much brighter if you put the lenses off a gasser on them after 20-30 years. and CHANGE ALL THE FUSES. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] shop costs
he should get a mercedes! On Dec 6, 2007 4:32 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not used to paying for repairs in a shop. I try to do most of the work myself given we have a bunch of older vehicles kicking around. Unfortunately, the 98 F150 that my younger son is driving has been in the shop since Tuesday afternoon and we hope to get it back on Friday. I'm beginning to think I may have to mortgage my soul to redeem the truck. It is a dark blue, short box regular cab 4X4 with the 4.2 V6 with a 5 speed. The hydraulic clutch has been acting a bit odd. It did it last winter towards the end but then the weather warmed and all was OK for the summer. I knew it needed attention but ran out of time and warm weather. In any event, Tom said it was getting harder to shift and would grind a bit going into reverse etc. My brother in law is a mechanic and we had him look at it. He suggested changing out the master clutch cylinder. We had him do that but then he could not get it to bleed properly. The result is that we have now had him pull the tranny to change out the slave cylinder and so long as he has it apart, the clutch and related components as well. During this dismantling process, he has learned that the front driveshaft slip joint is seized and that one of the universal joints on it is very stiff. He has located a used front drive shaft in a dismantler's yard for $200. Ford wanted $650. So, I expect we are already over $800 in parts and I can hardly wait to see the labour bill. Unfortunately, it is a big job to do on a 4X4. The exhaust had to be cut to get it out of the way and the manifold studs broke off so he had to drill them. All necessary stuff and it is still a decent truck. About 122K miles on it. Randy in Winterpeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] shop costs
Clarification require - are you suggesting: 1. My brother in law the mechanic (or at least the owner of the shop where he works and is fixing our truck) should get a MB with the $$$ I will have to pay him to redeem the truck? 2. I should get an MB - (a) because then I would really appreciate what it costs to have a vehicle repaired in a shop? or (b) MB's are good and don't require much work? 3. Or why would we drive a Ford when we could drive an MB 4. OR? In any event, I have an MB - old but reliable enough but not being used in this miserable cold and slippery winter weather - it is currently hibernating until the spring while we bomb around in 4X4 pickups. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] shop costs he should get a mercedes! On Dec 6, 2007 4:32 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not used to paying for repairs in a shop. I try to do most of the work myself given we have a bunch of older vehicles kicking around. Unfortunately, the 98 F150 that my younger son is driving has been in the shop since Tuesday afternoon and we hope to get it back on Friday. I'm beginning to think I may have to mortgage my soul to redeem the truck. It is a dark blue, short box regular cab 4X4 with the 4.2 V6 with a 5 speed. The hydraulic clutch has been acting a bit odd. It did it last winter towards the end but then the weather warmed and all was OK for the summer. I knew it needed attention but ran out of time and warm weather. In any event, Tom said it was getting harder to shift and would grind a bit going into reverse etc. My brother in law is a mechanic and we had him look at it. He suggested changing out the master clutch cylinder. We had him do that but then he could not get it to bleed properly. The result is that we have now had him pull the tranny to change out the slave cylinder and so long as he has it apart, the clutch and related components as well. During this dismantling process, he has learned that the front driveshaft slip joint is seized and that one of the universal joints on it is very stiff. He has located a used front drive shaft in a dismantler's yard for $200. Ford wanted $650. So, I expect we are already over $800 in parts and I can hardly wait to see the labour bill. Unfortunately, it is a big job to do on a 4X4. The exhaust had to be cut to get it out of the way and the manifold studs broke off so he had to drill them. All necessary stuff and it is still a decent truck. About 122K miles on it. Randy in Winterpeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
On Dec 6, 2007 1:53 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Robbins wrote: FWIW, I've found that often if the rear lights look really dim replacing the bulb will nearly double the brightness (the bulbs I've pulled out looked like they had black glass...). Also, MB put some pretty good reflectors in the housing. :) Don't forget the lenses. Diesel tail lights get much brighter if you put the lenses off a gasser on them after 20-30 years. I use Novus plastic polish (intended for convertible back and side windows, I think) and an old toothbrush. Clears them up nicely. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Accents
People of Oel. It's a corruption of Moor, my people were busy during the crusades, Killer of Moors. Pronounced, Hey! You! wit da glassez! or as if it were spelled Moyer. People will spell it Moyer and I keep telling them, it's a FOUR LETTER WORD! Yinglish = Moir (Moyer) Down East = Hey, Fred Yankee = Aside, Some kind of Scot, perhaps? How do you pronounce Moir anyway? Give examples in Maine-ese, English, and American. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
Mine have 10 watt TAIL light bulbs in 'em. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
What's an S124? Mine's an 87 300D (w124). Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
wilton strickland wrote: What's an S124? Mine's an 87 300D (w124). IIRC, that is a W124 wagon. IIRC, Zeitgeist has one. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
The MB designation for the 124 wagon S124 = wagon W124 = sedan ( coupe/convertible?) On Dec 6, 2007 3:21 PM, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's an S124? Mine's an 87 300D (w124). Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
John Robbins wrote: wilton strickland wrote: What's an S124? Mine's an 87 300D (w124). IIRC, that is a W124 wagon. IIRC, Zeitgeist has one. Seems I can't remember much... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Funeral and kids
http://bangornews.com/news/t/penquis.aspx?articleid=157399zoneid=184 We are also getting custody of the 3 kids. Oh boy how fun this will be. Regina was supposed to come home tomorrow but now the earliest will be the end of next week, maybe later. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trap oxidizer cleaning
There is a recommended procedure for the dealer service department to use to clear the trap, but it always fails (involves driving at high rpm in second gear, I think). Really just confirms that the trap is plugged well and truely, and that the recall can be performed, as most dealers won't replace it till it fails. It needs to be replaced if it's still there. I've not heard of any trap catalysts failing or plugging -- they are under the body, look like a gasser catalyst. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
I cant believe somebody would just pay $2500 for it right then and there. I guess that is more understandable that if you had a deal with and agreed price and he sold it. I have had that happen before. Jim Cathey wrote: I guess you can't fault someone for taking cash on the barrel It's rough, but I believe my policy would be that anybody who was ready to pay the asking price would take precedence over anybody who was not, and I wouldn't feel too bad about 'dumping' them. It _would_ be immoral to dump a guy who'd agreed in any form to the asking price for any other potential buyer. Gets into a gray area when nobody has actually seen or committed to the car yet. I've never sold anything where there was that much action to worry about! It took three months to sell the 240D, and something like a year an a half (or was it 2.5?) to sell the 450 SL. Months to sell my old Dodge pickup, etc. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My stupid question of the day..
Just dont talk to Hursty. Timothy Robinson wrote: Thanks, Jim... Haven't had the pleasure of dealing with Rusty yet! Good idea though. I'll have to give him a call! T -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Gasser
Hell yes, the guy bought it for his kid who was turning 16. He got it for $2500 which is a STEAL. Geez. Made me sick. I just know its going to get torn up. They were taking it down right then to get the new 20 wheels installed!! Craig McCluskey wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:28:44 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know. I cant hardly give away my super clean 90 420SEL. Its down to $2995 now, if somebody wants it they can have it for $2500. In normal times it would be selling for 4-5k. Kaleb, Did you ever sell that thing? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My stupid question of the day..
Well, Rusty Timothy Robinson wrote: Cosmetics aren't the greatest of my concern but the interior moldings around windows (plastic/vinyl matching the interior color) are all distorted from age and sun. Seems to be typical of most of the other W123s I thought I could glean some interior trim from. Is there a source to buy new replacements? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
That son of a whore thing is funny, I already knew that one Wonko the Sane wrote: Talking Maine is really pretty easy once you understand the basic rules. 1. Anywhere an R belongs, remove it. (ca', pa'k, ga'age, chu'ch) 2. Anywhere an R does NOT belong, add it. (warsh -- this is also found in Iowa) 3. Always say son of a whore rather than son of a bitch. 4. Love the New England Patriots and the Boston Red Socks. These rules served me well through two decades of being married to a Maine girl (my ex). D. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trap oxidizer cleaning
There is not a way that I know of. Luther wrote: What are the recommended ways to clean the traps on OM60x and late California OM617? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
Thats funny. Timothy Robinson wrote: I guess I haven't followed the whole thread. No, can't fault the guy for accepting the full ask price. I had listed one of my cars on Craigslist at a firm price. My mechanic listed a similar 1984 300D (about same mileage, pretty identical even same color) at the same time. We've gotten a laugh because the same people have called and driven each of the cars and now are trying to play one against the other, There's a car just like this on Craigslist but he's willing to accept... It's a laugh because the buyers don't realise we know each other and each other's cars. This morning the laugh was that the couple had seen one of my other cars in the shop and asked the mechanic if the owner might be interested in selling. They didn't realise that just two days ago it was the car I was driving when they came to look at the first. As we've decided they're just curious tire kickers, mechanic and I are thinking about trading cars for a week and really confusing them. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
That is shitty when somebody sets up an appointment and sells it out from under you. He could have at least let you offer more (which I would not have). Robert Rentfro wrote: No...the SOB sold it to someone who got there 10 minutes before I did...for $2500. What's worse, the guy drove it home so I didn't even get to see it. He called on my cell as I was pulling in his subdivision to tell me he sold it. We made the date for 4:15 to see the car...the other guy showed up at 3:50. So I had no other choice but to go out with some pals and get plowed. I guess the $1750 goes back into saving in the AM. Bob R. Gonna have a headache in the AM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115 Did you buy it already? It's been pulled from CL. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Good luck to you. It will be a challenge, a big one no doubt, but the satisfaction of providing a stable life for those children will outweigh the difficulties (though it will not seem like it). You might want to look into a name adjustment for the older one, aside from Homeland Security interest at the airport, it might attract more interest from those familiar with its origins. --R Subject: [MBZ] Funeral and kids http://bangornews.com/news/t/penquis.aspx?articleid=157399zoneid=184 We are also getting custody of the 3 kids. Oh boy how fun this will be. Regina was supposed to come home tomorrow but now the earliest will be the end of next week, maybe later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
I have the very distinct feeling that you will find these children to be a blessing to your family. I strongly believe your family has made the right choice, good for you! :) Dave H... -- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:53 PM To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Funeral and kids http://bangornews.com/news/t/penquis.aspx?articleid=157399zoneid=184 We are also getting custody of the 3 kids. Oh boy how fun this will be. Regina was supposed to come home tomorrow but now the earliest will be the end of next week, maybe later. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
How old are the younguns you're getting? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] murder update That son of a whore thing is funny, I already knew that one Wonko the Sane wrote: Talking Maine is really pretty easy once you understand the basic rules. 1. Anywhere an R belongs, remove it. (ca', pa'k, ga'age, chu'ch) 2. Anywhere an R does NOT belong, add it. (warsh -- this is also found in Iowa) 3. Always say son of a whore rather than son of a bitch. 4. Love the New England Patriots and the Boston Red Socks. These rules served me well through two decades of being married to a Maine girl (my ex). D. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trunk strut....?
just springs Christopher McCann wrote: On the '85 300SD, is there a strut or some other device that holds the trunk lid open? Ever since adding the warning triangle (heavy), it has not stayed open well, but I noticed it being particularly bad this morning (cold)...which made me think there was a strut (cold air, less volume, won't work as well)...or maybe it was just the wind. Thoughts? Thanks, Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 368K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
If I lived closer, I'd take you out for a meal. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:54 PM To: Banned List; mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] Funeral and kids http://bangornews.com/news/t/penquis.aspx?articleid=157399zoneid=184 We are also getting custody of the 3 kids. Oh boy how fun this will be. Regina was supposed to come home tomorrow but now the earliest will be the end of next week, maybe later. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trunk strut....?
Well typically, on US cars without the triangle if you pop the trunk when it gets fully open it will bounce a couple of times. That is because the triangle is missing. With it installed, the precise german engineering has it to where the trunk will just open and not bounce. Christopher McCann wrote: The trunk is aluminum, so they prolly figured a beefy spring was not necessary, but the wind catches it and WATCH YOUR HEAD! With the triangle, it's much worse. I'll have to look more closely because the springs seem to help pull it shut...so what keeps it open? Chris Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that my '83 'SD has one, just a spring loaded setup that holds the lid up. It doesn't seem too stiff though. I don't have the triangle either. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
speaking of meals, I think we are going to have to do an OkieQ this year. Robert Rentfro wrote: If I lived closer, I'd take you out for a meal. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:54 PM To: Banned List; mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] Funeral and kids http://bangornews.com/news/t/penquis.aspx?articleid=157399zoneid=184 We are also getting custody of the 3 kids. Oh boy how fun this will be. Regina was supposed to come home tomorrow but now the earliest will be the end of next week, maybe later. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
9, 6, 2 Robert Rentfro wrote: How old are the younguns you're getting? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] murder update That son of a whore thing is funny, I already knew that one Wonko the Sane wrote: Talking Maine is really pretty easy once you understand the basic rules. 1. Anywhere an R belongs, remove it. (ca', pa'k, ga'age, chu'ch) 2. Anywhere an R does NOT belong, add it. (warsh -- this is also found in Iowa) 3. Always say son of a whore rather than son of a bitch. 4. Love the New England Patriots and the Boston Red Socks. These rules served me well through two decades of being married to a Maine girl (my ex). D. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Gasser
Yo, DUBZ!!! --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Hell yes, the guy bought it for his kid who was turning 16. He got it for $2500 which is a STEAL. Geez. Made me sick. I just know its going to get torn up. They were taking it down right then to get the new 20 wheels installed!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 fogs as more tail light
Zeitgeist wrote: The MB designation for the 124 wagon Right. S stands for wagon, or turnier, and W is short for sedan. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
10-4. I'll keep that in mind. You and Regina are doing the right thing, Kaleb. I'm gonna make one of these 'Q's this year dang nabit. Put the date out early Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] murder update 9, 6, 2 Robert Rentfro wrote: How old are the younguns you're getting? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] murder update That son of a whore thing is funny, I already knew that one Wonko the Sane wrote: Talking Maine is really pretty easy once you understand the basic rules. 1. Anywhere an R belongs, remove it. (ca', pa'k, ga'age, chu'ch) 2. Anywhere an R does NOT belong, add it. (warsh -- this is also found in Iowa) 3. Always say son of a whore rather than son of a bitch. 4. Love the New England Patriots and the Boston Red Socks. These rules served me well through two decades of being married to a Maine girl (my ex). D. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trap oxidizer cleaning
the dealer that did the last replacement of mine seemed willing enough to replace it just because they looked it up on the computer and saw there was an open campaign on it, not because there was any sign of any trouble with it. (the computer showed it had been done back at about ~80K miles, but they wanted to change it out to something different @ ~121K miles as of just a few years ago... i noticed the P/N on the piece in there now starts with a '126...'.) didn't seem to make any difference in performance one way or the other in my case. cheers! e '85 300D (Calif) Peter Frederick wrote: There is a recommended procedure for the dealer service department to use to clear the trap, but it always fails (involves driving at high rpm in second gear, I think). Really just confirms that the trap is plugged well and truely, and that the recall can be performed, as most dealers won't replace it till it fails. It needs to be replaced if it's still there. I've not heard of any trap catalysts failing or plugging -- they are under the body, look like a gasser catalyst. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
It will be in June sometime Im pretty sure. Robert Rentfro wrote: 10-4. I'll keep that in mind. You and Regina are doing the right thing, Kaleb. I'm gonna make one of these 'Q's this year dang nabit. Put the date out early Bob R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carb synchronizing
I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar Hiss to know when each carb was adjusted the same. During the fifteen years I owned the two six-cylinder Porsches with Weber triple-throat carbs, I can tell you this crude approach would never work. I used a Unisyn and the air flow adjustments through all six throats were critical to achieve a smooth idle. Or as smooth as possible. I pulled the carbs off each car at least twice yearly to clean them. Those were the days. RLE ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Your turn? Shall we do even and odd years? On Dec 6, 2007 6:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of meals, I think we are going to have to do an OkieQ this year. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My stupid question of the day..
What if he was from Canada AND talked to you about trim? Gary Hurst wrote: it's true. i will question your manhood in crude and childish ways if you talk to me about trim. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
