Re: [MBZ] TEST
You passed On Feb 6, 2008 12:27 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 LWB's was Re: another addition
On Feb 5, 2008 8:24 PM, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the link to the one on cL Santa Barbara, CA. > > http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/car/544821763.html > HHH! My eyes! That body kit looks like something out of the J.C. Whitney catalog. And those basketweave BBS wheels only look right on '80s BMWs. Totally wrong on a Benz. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
I resume walking 7 miles per day each March to get ready for the summer routine. Asked an old friend if he still had that "Schwinn for sale" and he said, "You!? That's an expensive bike just to ride to work..." It's not about workout. I figure each year if I don't have a stroke or heart attack from "winter hibernation" I'm ready for the next season. Funny thing, the "kids" can't keep pace with me on that 3mi. up the mountain every morning and I smoke. They're supposed to be dancers? > From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:13:38 -0600 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My next activity > > I was telling a co-worker just today: > > In the last six months I've returned to a vegetarian diet (w/ eggs and dairy > and seafood), stopped drinking coffee as of last Friday morning -- replaced > by Celestial Seasonings tea, taking vitamins, and am exercising for fun > rather than as an obligation. ... And, if I start hand-grinding wheat to > make bread, I am then right back to my late '70s lifestyle. ... I even plan > to bike to work (pedal, not roar-roar -- the motorcycle stays in the garage, > too) come warm weather. > > I could start pumping iron and once again bench press my own body weight, > like I did in the early 80s uh, no. > > Of course, in the '70s I was running 5 miles a day -- but given my knees and > hips in my mid 50s, walking 5 miles would be a painful workout. > > But, the bike theme remains. In the late 70s, I commuted to work (10 miles > each way) on my super-light $1800 Trek bike. Same bike is still in the > garage, waiting for spring. > > D. > > On Feb 5, 2008 11:01 PM, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> OY... I LIVE on my alfalfa sprouts. A diet of those, wheat grass, carrot >> from the juicer and cabbage (Russian Prison Diet ...soup) and see if you >> can >> bring tears to others' eyes in an elevator! >> >> >> > > > -- > LT Don > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade > The following packages will be replaced > Prez > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil change, etc.
When I need escape I go to my grandparents' house (they're long gone) and I sleep listening to the old grandfather clock ticking away. It doesn't take long to adjust to the quarter hour chimes and remember security of decades ago. Rain on the tin roof doesn't hurt either. Dad's got an old Western Union master clock in his den. He "procurred" it when he closed a telegraph office years ago. The pendulum contains something like 75# of mercury for weight? I like to sit by the fire reading and hearing the old springs rewind (power supply instead of the old dry cell batteries). All about as comforting as the sweet sound of an OM617. > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:42:42 -0500 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil change, etc. > > I would visit with an aunt and uncle who had an old one. You could hear the > slow tick of the gears, even up in the bedrooms. I'm sure it was the reason > I slept like a log whenever there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Go Vote Tomorrow - How does it work
Seems bazaar that a non party member can vote for a candidate - In those states can you vote in both the Rep and Dem primary? If not who controls this? Peter -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 February 2008 08:46 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Go Vote Tomorrow - How does it work This is handled state by state. In Alabama, I can vote for anyone I want in the election primary. In other some states you must register to a party when you register & then you can only vote in that party's primary. But you can still vote for whomever you want in the general election. In no case do you actually have to be a party member. When I actually go to the polls tomorrow, I'll be asked if I need a Democrat or Republican ballot. In case anyone's wondering, I will draw a Republican ballot. I'm no happier with the current president than most of my friends but our current foreign policy failures are no excuse to vote a Socialist with a GOD complex into office (sorry, couldn't resist). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Go Vote Tomorrow - How does it work As an outsider residing in South Africa I battle to understand the US voting system - Can any registered voter take part in the Democratic or Rep run-off elections or must you be a party member? PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1257 - Release Date: 2/3/2008 5:49 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] TEST
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Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
Mahle has plants in the US. There is one here in Iowa, and I know I saw another somewhere, maybe in TN? AL? I do know they mark the exact size on the pistons (at least the last one I bought) so that the bore can be matched exactly to the piston in a rebuild, or the piston to the bore in mfg. The fit of the pistons in the bores of the one factory short block I bought were amazing. Vewy Vewy tight, as Elmer Fudd would say. At $100+ a hole, those Mahle pistons had better be a LOT better than the $20 variety for Frods and Choveys. At 03:58 PM 2/5/2008, you wrote: >On Feb 5, 2008 1:44 PM, Rich Thomas ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Watch that movie "The World's Fastest Indian" (a true story about that > > guy) and in it he makes some pistons for his Indian motorcycle by > > melting down a bunch of aluminum scrap and pouring it in a mold he made > > (in his "shed"). I don't remember them showing him machining it down, > > but it was kinda cool. It's a fun movie too. > > > >And in Cuba supposedly they make piston rings by cutting slices out of >old soup cans. > >But neither of those examples have much to do (we hope!) with how >modern mass-produced car parts are made. I can't imagine there is ANY >human being directly involved, other than maybe a QA eyeball now and >then, in the manufacture of parts for, say, a Toyota Camry engine. > >Alex Chamberlain >'87 300D Turbo et al. > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
I gotta get on the ball... send soap to OKDon like I promised and mail that Beta to Phillip in MO... THEN... I might send a box of my soap to Kaleb and let ask him to toss a bar of the homemade lye soap in with each order so you can all marvel at it's wonders of cutting grease! It hasn't been tested on animals, just humans... but no complaint in my thirty years of makin' it. > From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:06:46 -0800 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment > > I like the latex glove idea since I have a few pairs lying around the house. > That last valve adjustment got my hands quite greasy (wouldnt be surprised > if there was still some under my fingernails two years later :D)! I haven't > gotten around to doing the job on the '83 'SD, and my wrenches are still > buried somewhere deep within! > > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
I was telling a co-worker just today: In the last six months I've returned to a vegetarian diet (w/ eggs and dairy and seafood), stopped drinking coffee as of last Friday morning -- replaced by Celestial Seasonings tea, taking vitamins, and am exercising for fun rather than as an obligation. ... And, if I start hand-grinding wheat to make bread, I am then right back to my late '70s lifestyle. ... I even plan to bike to work (pedal, not roar-roar -- the motorcycle stays in the garage, too) come warm weather. I could start pumping iron and once again bench press my own body weight, like I did in the early 80s uh, no. Of course, in the '70s I was running 5 miles a day -- but given my knees and hips in my mid 50s, walking 5 miles would be a painful workout. But, the bike theme remains. In the late 70s, I commuted to work (10 miles each way) on my super-light $1800 Trek bike. Same bike is still in the garage, waiting for spring. D. On Feb 5, 2008 11:01 PM, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OY... I LIVE on my alfalfa sprouts. A diet of those, wheat grass, carrot > from the juicer and cabbage (Russian Prison Diet ...soup) and see if you > can > bring tears to others' eyes in an elevator! > > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
I like the latex glove idea since I have a few pairs lying around the house. That last valve adjustment got my hands quite greasy (wouldnt be surprised if there was still some under my fingernails two years later :D)! I haven't gotten around to doing the job on the '83 'SD, and my wrenches are still buried somewhere deep within! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
OY... I LIVE on my alfalfa sprouts. A diet of those, wheat grass, carrot from the juicer and cabbage (Russian Prison Diet ...soup) and see if you can bring tears to others' eyes in an elevator! Gonna figure out how to plug my a$$ in for methane... maybe could drive to the mailbox? > From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:39:18 -0600 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My next activity > > Four of my five workdays, I leave diesels (plural) in the garage and walk to > work. > > That doesn't mean I don't pollute the atmosphere. As a veggie I eat lots of > beans, and the one mile walk to work gets the digestive process working, and > ... :-( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
My "indies," Gary and son, Todd... first time I took the car into their shop, Todd snaps on these "rectal exam gloves" and said, "What seems to be the problem?" It's a running joke now... but they do perform repairs with those latex gloves to keep their hands clean. I made some joke about, "Fist..." well... I found out they were quite reasonable and they discovered I had a warped sense of humor. > From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:29:12 -0800 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment > > 1st time > I've done this by myself, what a bear > > I call it "bonding." ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slow starter
I like this "Wonko" guy!
> From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:53:09 -0600
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] slow starter
>
> My observation over the past several years has been that individuals on this
> list -- by definition, mostly Old Benz owners -- have several things in
> common: a quick wit, a well developed and often warped sense of humor, and
> the ability to think outside of the box.
>
> Give us a box of crayons and we will use the wax sticks to build a model of
> a 6.9 Benz. Then color it with the sole remaining silver crayon.
>
> An amazing percentage have advanced university degrees, up to and including
> PhD. I am not among the later group. I have eight years in university
> classrooms and a B.A. to show for it.
>
> The overwhelming majority of those who never darkened the door of a college
> classroom all seem to have a Doctorate from the International School of Hard
> Knocks and Bloody Knuckles.
>
> We are but a winning team waiting for the right television quiz show.
>
> ("I will take W115 heater cores for $1000, Alex.")
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2008 9:34 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You beat me to that
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:27 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] slow starter
>>
>> Let me guess -- you then had to take the Last Train To Clarksville?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> LT Don
> http://don.homelinux.net/~don/
>
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
So now you're good at it, Glenn, you gonna "hep" me? LOL > From: "Glenn Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:33:58 -0500 > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: [MBZ] Valve adjustment > > I spent all afternoon doing a valve adjustment on my '84 300D, thank > goodness it was 72F and I could work with the garage door open. 1st time > I've done this by myself, what a bear . . . > > G. M. Brown > Brevard, NC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
Four of my five workdays, I leave diesels (plural) in the garage and walk to work. That doesn't mean I don't pollute the atmosphere. As a veggie I eat lots of beans, and the one mile walk to work gets the digestive process working, and ... :-( LT "don't walk behind me" Don On 2/5/08, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does this mean that when I drive to the parts store or wreckers to get a > part to keep my second hand car on the road (instead of buying a newy) I > am carbon negative? > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
Yeah, there's nothing like the feeling of knowing you did a job well, yourself. :-) Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1st time > I've done this by myself, what a bear > > > I call it "bonding." It did take me the better part of an afternoon to do > my first valve adjustment on my 1981 300CD. It's a job done totally by > feel > other than setting up the feeler gauges. I bought two sets of them, one > for > intakes and one for exhaust valves. > > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 LWB's was Re: another addition
I think that's kind of a neat car, but would probably look a lot better had they not gone with the AMG style stuff on it. That is kind of a scary picture of the rim! Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's the link to the one on cL Santa Barbara, CA. > > http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/car/544821763.html > > Is this one such car that's not actually a limo? > > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
1st time I've done this by myself, what a bear I call it "bonding." It did take me the better part of an afternoon to do my first valve adjustment on my 1981 300CD. It's a job done totally by feel other than setting up the feeler gauges. I bought two sets of them, one for intakes and one for exhaust valves. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 LWB's was Re: another addition
Here's the link to the one on cL Santa Barbara, CA. http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/car/544821763.html Is this one such car that's not actually a limo? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
You know, I so agree! I'm so frustrated by events in the news, "fiscal budget," politics... I wonder if my vote is worth the effort and fuel to show up at the polls. I do know that the biggest impact I can have is to be a good steward of resources, my own finances and 'Earth.' It's for that reason that I'm most adamant about my old MBs. They should outlive my needs. AND... I find it ironic that I'm the one most often called upon when the friend or neighbor needs reliable transportation as their new (financed) vehicle didn't serve them. Probably the best legacy to leave is the smallest footprint. > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:55:04 -0500 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My next activity > > I read an article, written back in the 80s I think, that said in the UK, the > energy used to manufacture a new car was equal to driving the then average > new car about 50,000 miles, if my memory serves me. It was from an old car > mag, and they were trying to make the point of how restoring an old car, > even though it used more fuel and no emissions equipment, was still easier > on the earth than junking it, and buying new ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slow starter
Some of the listers no doubt have a quit wick too. --R (not speaking for myself of course) Wonko the Sane wrote: > My observation over the past several years has been that individuals on this > list -- by definition, mostly Old Benz owners -- have several things in > common: a quick wit, a well developed and often warped sense of humor, and > the ability to think outside of the box. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slow starter
My observation over the past several years has been that individuals on this
list -- by definition, mostly Old Benz owners -- have several things in
common: a quick wit, a well developed and often warped sense of humor, and
the ability to think outside of the box.
Give us a box of crayons and we will use the wax sticks to build a model of
a 6.9 Benz. Then color it with the sole remaining silver crayon.
An amazing percentage have advanced university degrees, up to and including
PhD. I am not among the later group. I have eight years in university
classrooms and a B.A. to show for it.
The overwhelming majority of those who never darkened the door of a college
classroom all seem to have a Doctorate from the International School of Hard
Knocks and Bloody Knuckles.
We are but a winning team waiting for the right television quiz show.
("I will take W115 heater cores for $1000, Alex.")
On Feb 5, 2008 9:34 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You beat me to that
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:27 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] slow starter
>
> Let me guess -- you then had to take the Last Train To Clarksville?
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil change, etc.
I would visit with an aunt and uncle who had an old one. You could hear the slow tick of the gears, even up in the bedrooms. I'm sure it was the reason I slept like a log whenever there. It was the most calming sound. I think if we went back to putting small clocks in cars, that you could hear tick, it would probably rid the world of most of the road rage. :-) Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks. Yes, it is a nice clock, but you can't imagine how much I enjoyed > building it. > Considering how nearly helpless I was, it's most amazing that I was to > able > to do so. > For coupla days after I first started it running/working, it seemed much > like having a newborn baby in the house - I kept going to it to check if > it > were still "breathing." > > Wilton > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slow starter
You beat me to that -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] slow starter Let me guess -- you then had to take the Last Train To Clarksville? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Train_to_Clarksville On Feb 5, 2008 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yup. The windings in the armature are getting old and the resistance > is going up. The result is excessive current draw that only heats > the starter up instead of turning the engine. > > Replace with a proper reman or a NEW starter -- a standard "rebuild" > with a turned commutator, new bushings, and new brushes will leave > you with exactly what you have now -- a bad starter. > > I refer to this as "Chevrolet starter disease" from the days when > Chevy put the starter less than a half an inch from the exhaust > manifold on their 350's. Cooked them all the time, and they wouldn't > crank hot. Left me stuck at a gas station in the outback in > Tennessee moving my brother to Clarksville one time. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A 2nd wing finally!
I got my RH 115 mirror for $22. With door! It's still in the garage. Only one I ever saw at the junkyard, it was easier to get the whole door than pull the mirror. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1999 300TD
> Occasionally you will see DT or TDT for a turbo sedan and turbo > wagon, but the badging will be D and TD, respectively. We here will often say 300Dt here to indicate a turbo 300D. But to the great unwashed it's just another V8. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slow starter
Let me guess -- you then had to take the Last Train To Clarksville? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Train_to_Clarksville On Feb 5, 2008 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yup. The windings in the armature are getting old and the resistance > is going up. The result is excessive current draw that only heats > the starter up instead of turning the engine. > > Replace with a proper reman or a NEW starter -- a standard "rebuild" > with a turned commutator, new bushings, and new brushes will leave > you with exactly what you have now -- a bad starter. > > I refer to this as "Chevrolet starter disease" from the days when > Chevy put the starter less than a half an inch from the exhaust > manifold on their 350's. Cooked them all the time, and they wouldn't > crank hot. Left me stuck at a gas station in the outback in > Tennessee moving my brother to Clarksville one time. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1999 300TD
TD is Benz-speak for a diesel wagon. T for touring car, D for Diesel. Ordinary sedans are labeled D only, but usually have a turbodiesel badge when a turbo equipped engine is installed. Occasionally you will see DT or TDT for a turbo sedan and turbo wagon, but the badging will be D and TD, respectively. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slow starter
Yup. The windings in the armature are getting old and the resistance is going up. The result is excessive current draw that only heats the starter up instead of turning the engine. Replace with a proper reman or a NEW starter -- a standard "rebuild" with a turned commutator, new bushings, and new brushes will leave you with exactly what you have now -- a bad starter. I refer to this as "Chevrolet starter disease" from the days when Chevy put the starter less than a half an inch from the exhaust manifold on their 350's. Cooked them all the time, and they wouldn't crank hot. Left me stuck at a gas station in the outback in Tennessee moving my brother to Clarksville one time. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1999 300TD
Its really a E300 LarryT wrote: > Just looked at one of the subjects on eBay and I'm curious about the title > of 300TD - I know it's a TurboDiesel - but did MB start calling the 300D's > TD's? or is the owner playing a little fast & loose with the vehicle > descriptors? > > TIA - > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slow starter
sounds like the starter is going out Allan Streib wrote: > This is not specifically an MB question -- one of my other cars has a > "slow" starter. It is worse when hot than cold. Is this indicative > of a particular failure? Any diagnostic tests that might help > indicate whether replacing the starter is appropriate? > > Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dat Foosball is Over
I'd bet the rent we'll be hearing more about them when someone one of those groups gets talked into being offended and brings some kind of suit. Maybe that's what sales genie is counting on? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dat Foosball is Over or by who cries the hardest and loudest On Feb 5, 2008 7:26 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's dictated by the marketplace, Gary. > > On Feb 5, 2008 9:40 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > don't get me wrong. i mean, i'm big on ethnic stereotyping. i just find > > it > > odd how some groups are absolutely off limits while others can be freely > > denigrated at the super bowl. > > > > On Feb 4, 2008 11:54 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > the one with the chinese pandas was even shocking. can you imagine > > > > the uproar of those pandas were black? > > > > > > That was for Sales Genie I think -- they had one earlier with an > > > Indian character with a very distinct accent and stereotypical > > > speech. I was rather surprised by both spots. > > > > > > OTOH I do remember them... Hm. > > > > > > Allan > > > -- > > > 1983 300D > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1999 300TD
Just looked at one of the subjects on eBay and I'm curious about the title of 300TD - I know it's a TurboDiesel - but did MB start calling the 300D's TD's? or is the owner playing a little fast & loose with the vehicle descriptors? TIA - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] slow starter
This is not specifically an MB question -- one of my other cars has a "slow" starter. It is worse when hot than cold. Is this indicative of a particular failure? Any diagnostic tests that might help indicate whether replacing the starter is appropriate? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dat Foosball is Over
or by who cries the hardest and loudest On Feb 5, 2008 7:26 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's dictated by the marketplace, Gary. > > On Feb 5, 2008 9:40 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > don't get me wrong. i mean, i'm big on ethnic stereotyping. i just find > > it > > odd how some groups are absolutely off limits while others can be freely > > denigrated at the super bowl. > > > > On Feb 4, 2008 11:54 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > the one with the chinese pandas was even shocking. can you imagine > > > > the uproar of those pandas were black? > > > > > > That was for Sales Genie I think -- they had one earlier with an > > > Indian character with a very distinct accent and stereotypical > > > speech. I was rather surprised by both spots. > > > > > > OTOH I do remember them... Hm. > > > > > > Allan > > > -- > > > 1983 300D > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, job eliminated -MB business
Thanks, I need all the blessing I can get. I got a list from hell to run down from various folks. It shall get done though and I shall get back on schedule eventually. Bill Ringgold wrote: > Bless you, my son. > BillR > > -Original Message- > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: 2/5/08 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, job eliminated -MB business > > you are on my list!! > > Bill Ringgold wrote: >> .. And my 126 seat botto springs - and under door light. No big hurry, but >> I am ready to install them. >> BillR >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: 2/4/08 9:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, job eliminated >> >> Crap! Sorry to hear that - I must have slept through the first announcement >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil change, etc.
Thanks. Yes, it is a nice clock, but you can't imagine how much I enjoyed building it. Considering how nearly helpless I was, it's most amazing that I was to able to do so. For coupla days after I first started it running/working, it seemed much like having a newborn baby in the house - I kept going to it to check if it were still "breathing." Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - neurpathy, CIDP, etc
LarryT, Acher, etc., small world, isn't it? This condition supposedly affects only about 1 in 100K, yet, here are TWO of us on this list and a third associated. My pain started 12 - 14 yrs ago as "nail driven into" lft heel, then on to toes, legs, hands, arms; fire, needles on bottoms of feet, etc. Began to have slight hand tremor abt 10 yrs ago. As my averall condition worsened, so did the tremor. By 4 - 5 yrs ago, had lost most feeling below knees. By abt 2 yrs ago, I was nearlly helpless because of the tremor. Trouble walking for several yrs, but I continued to put on good act - tried to make it look to others like I was walking normally, but I was having to think about every step. Started using stick/cane abt 5 yrs ago, went to 4-wheel walker nearly 3 yrs ago. Still use walker around house (one on each floor) and back and forth to car. I keep an elec. scooter in the car trunk for shopping, longer treks from car, etc. I charge the scooter in the car with Diesel, so I ride a Diesel-electric scooter; I even put a smaller, paper decal copy of a MB DIESEL decal on back of the scooter to so designate it. 'Haven't been "bothered" by really bad pain for several yrs. - just slight in feet/legs all the time. I've many times awakened with steady pain in feet and legs, especially knees. 'Took two 650 mg Tylenol/day coupla yrs; last year or so 1/day; sometimes none for 2-3 days. BTW, 'tried Lyrica; made me feel "impaired." Also tried Prednasone, cyclosporine, methotrexate, celcept, imuran, bunch of others, some of which made me sick - all were ineffective; also plasma pheresis and retuxan treatments, but nothing has worked as well as IVIG, especially for last yr @ 2 weeks. Tremor is nearly (~97%) gone. Oh, I also went to MCV (is that UVA?); saw Dr. Phillips there abt 3 yrs ago; 'been going to Duke abt 6 yrs. Wilton, LTCOL, USAF, Ret. 91 350SDL (188 kmi) oil changed via $2 sucker 87 300D (107 kmi) oil changed via $2 sucker ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT old bikes
Here's a neat little piece from Jay Leno on one of his bikes. I've always loved these, and built so well in the day, I think Rolls even allowed them to use the slogan, "The Rolls Royce of motorcycles". Also made famous by an Englishman who liked to spend time out in the desert. ;-) http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=188134 Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I caught "Worlds Fastest Indian" on On Demand a couple of weeks ago - one > of > the 1st freebies I watched. I know it wasn;t a huge box office success > but > it was an amazing movie about an amazing man - guy in his 60s or 70s had a > 30s Indian he hot-rodded and took to the Salt FLats in the 50s to try for > a > record of over 200mph. In the end he succeeds (based on a true story) and > one of the records still stands IIRC. If you get a chance to watch it, I > highly recommend it. > > Later -- > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this? > > > > Watch that movie "The World's Fastest Indian" (a true story about that > > guy) and in it he makes some pistons for his Indian motorcycle by > > melting down a bunch of aluminum scrap and pouring it in a mold he made > > (in his "shed"). I don't remember them showing him machining it down, > > but it was kinda cool. It's a fun movie too. > > > > There was one of those car shows that had a segment on a company that > > makes pistons for all kinds of obsolete engines, their process is pretty > > similar. > > > > --R > > > > Zoltan Finks wrote: > >> Just watched pistons being made on Discovery Channel's "How It's Made". > >> Was surprised how rudimentary the operation seemed. Started with a 10' > >> long > >> aluminum rod of about 2 1/2 or 3 inch diameter. > >> > >> After heating it up a lot, it went into a (2000 ton?) punch press. > >> > >> The parts that surprised me were the various drilling and milling > >> operations. They seemed like any other drill press operations. But > maybe > >> the > >> presses were a lot more precise. > >> > >> At the end, a guy with what looked like a pocket knife scraped off > rough > >> edges and then used a belt sander to smooth edes. > >> > >> I know when I had my 440 V8 built, I thought it sounded cool that I had > >> TRW > >> forged aluminum pistons. I think I just saw some being made. > >> > >> Though these on the TV program were for use in a V-twin motorcycle > >> engine, I > >> believe. > >> > >> Brian > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, job eliminated -MB business
Bless you, my son. BillR -Original Message- From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 2/5/08 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, job eliminated -MB business you are on my list!! Bill Ringgold wrote: > .. And my 126 seat botto springs - and under door light. No big hurry, but > I am ready to install them. > BillR > > > -Original Message- > From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: 2/4/08 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, job eliminated > > Crap! Sorry to hear that - I must have slept through the first announcement > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
you won't be carbon negative after your shopping trip, only a little copper negative. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does this mean that when I drive to the parts store or wreckers to get a > part to keep my second hand car on the road (instead of buying a newy) I > am carbon negative? > > Hendrik > who at this very moment is producing .65 kg of greenhouse gases/hour > (not counting what is coming out my rear end) but the missus was out in > the old 230E > > > Mitch Haley wrote: > > Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > > >> How the heck can that be carbon negative, to me carbon negative means > >> removing carbon from the air. > >> > > > > I think their point was that delivering a bio refinery is supposed to be > > carbon negative because the future bio production offsets dino oil > consumption. > > However, they could have just produced biodiesel where they lived, and > > saved all the fuel used to deliver the processor to to wherever. > > > > Mitch. > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
Are you sure we couldn't twist your arm to take a nice 300SEL 6.3 ;-) Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The factory maintains wood samples from each 600 made - so if a piece of > wood is damaged it can be recreated perfectly. > > I used to get a MB magazine (free BTW) and one featured the 600. It > was/is > an awesome machine - would love to have one if I win a lottery so I can > maintain it. > > It told how the 600 was created/designed and manufactured. I think they > built 3 "Laudelets" and all went to the Pope. > > Anyway - great cars - but I;d prefer a 280SEL 4.5 ;-) > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices > > > > On Feb 5, 2008 2:29 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> yeah, one door latch is about $1800 and a new water pump is > $5000. There > >> are rebuild kits, for $500. Sounds like a bargooon. Those are > "service" > >> items, imagine the price of parts that seldom need attention. > >> > > > > And at what point does the factory price get high enough that you are > > better off taking the broken part down to the corner machinist who > > will make you a new one from scratch? > > > > I love this idea of a machine renowned as the highest-tech, best-built > > automobile of its time being kept on the road by painstaking hand > > craftsmanship---basically pre-Industrial-Revolution, > > pre-mass-production methods. The 20th century meets the 18th! > > > > Alex Chamberlain > > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT why america is finished NOW SEARS
LarryT wrote: > > It's worse in other places. altho we seem to be racing to catch up - The Brits are still the champions. Every time I see something from one of the big 3 colonies (USA, Canada, Aussie) that makes me think they caught up to the UK, within a week I'll see a news item from the UK that is just totally and completely mind-blowing and I realize that no colonial wanker can compare to a Member of Parliament wanker, or the clowns that enforce the laws in the UK. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT why america is finished NOW SEARS
It's worse in other places. altho we seem to be racing to catch up - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT why america is finished NOW SEARS > If it's that bad why not move? > > On Feb 5, 2008 9:46 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mitch wrote:<> they figure out that the people have to pay for it sometime>> >> >> Sadly, even though some people are shouting this loudly, it is met with >> deaf >> ears -- >> >> The govt has changed dramatically from the one set up by Madison, >> Jefferson >> and friends 250 + years ago. IMHO, when the constitution was >> bastardized >> to make the clause concerning commerce was interpreted to cover virtually >> *anything* that happens in this country, the country started the slide >> downward. There was initially much discussion between our forefathers >> about >> limiting the fed govts and preserving states rights - many people believe >> states rights were the driving issue behind the Civil War - slavery was a >> peripheral issue. Now the fedgov provides everything from meals to >> disadvantaged kids to condoms for teens and everything in between. >> Anyway, >> now, obviously, FedGovCo is king - they get the lions share of taxes - >> including social security funds - goes to them and is spent. I hope no >> one >> still thinks the money they pay in is set aside for them somewhere >> waiting >> for them to retire? It's spent before it even arrives. >> >> It's depressing, but all the money everyone on this site will pay to the >> FedGov in our lifetimes will be spent by them in a heartbeat - possibly >> down >> some black hole in another country that fills the bank acct of some >> corrupt >> leader. Think of what we could have done with all those social security >> funds if you had put it into the stock market or mutual funds. Sure the >> market goes up and down - but the average since ~1900 is still ~10% >> return >> (can't recall the details). What return does the govt give you? Don't >> forget - your employer matches your payment for SS. When I used to >> estimate >> such things, we'd double the going pay rate to get a projection of what >> it >> would cost to hire another engineer, designer, scientist, etc. >> >> Sorry for the rant -- I'm more and more upset seeing the states lose >> theor >> identity and become one of 50 look-alikes. >> >> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> . >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT why america is finished NOW SEARS >> >> >> > Scott Ritchey wrote: >> >> IMHO, anyone who is a net recipient of >> >> government largess should not be allowed to vote. >> > >> > A democracy can only last until the people figure out they can vote >> > themselves government largess. They figure this out long before >> > they figure out that the people have to pay for it sometime. >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
The factory maintains wood samples from each 600 made - so if a piece of wood is damaged it can be recreated perfectly. I used to get a MB magazine (free BTW) and one featured the 600. It was/is an awesome machine - would love to have one if I win a lottery so I can maintain it. It told how the 600 was created/designed and manufactured. I think they built 3 "Laudelets" and all went to the Pope. Anyway - great cars - but I;d prefer a 280SEL 4.5 ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices > On Feb 5, 2008 2:29 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> yeah, one door latch is about $1800 and a new water pump is $5000. There >> are rebuild kits, for $500. Sounds like a bargooon. Those are "service" >> items, imagine the price of parts that seldom need attention. >> > > And at what point does the factory price get high enough that you are > better off taking the broken part down to the corner machinist who > will make you a new one from scratch? > > I love this idea of a machine renowned as the highest-tech, best-built > automobile of its time being kept on the road by painstaking hand > craftsmanship---basically pre-Industrial-Revolution, > pre-mass-production methods. The 20th century meets the 18th! > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
Does this mean that when I drive to the parts store or wreckers to get a part to keep my second hand car on the road (instead of buying a newy) I am carbon negative? Hendrik who at this very moment is producing .65 kg of greenhouse gases/hour (not counting what is coming out my rear end) but the missus was out in the old 230E Mitch Haley wrote: > Hendrik & Fay wrote: > >> How the heck can that be carbon negative, to me carbon negative means >> removing carbon from the air. >> > > I think their point was that delivering a bio refinery is supposed to be > carbon negative because the future bio production offsets dino oil > consumption. > However, they could have just produced biodiesel where they lived, and > saved all the fuel used to deliver the processor to to wherever. > > Mitch. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
I caught "Worlds Fastest Indian" on On Demand a couple of weeks ago - one of the 1st freebies I watched. I know it wasn;t a huge box office success but it was an amazing movie about an amazing man - guy in his 60s or 70s had a 30s Indian he hot-rodded and took to the Salt FLats in the 50s to try for a record of over 200mph. In the end he succeeds (based on a true story) and one of the records still stands IIRC. If you get a chance to watch it, I highly recommend it. Later -- Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this? > Watch that movie "The World's Fastest Indian" (a true story about that > guy) and in it he makes some pistons for his Indian motorcycle by > melting down a bunch of aluminum scrap and pouring it in a mold he made > (in his "shed"). I don't remember them showing him machining it down, > but it was kinda cool. It's a fun movie too. > > There was one of those car shows that had a segment on a company that > makes pistons for all kinds of obsolete engines, their process is pretty > similar. > > --R > > Zoltan Finks wrote: >> Just watched pistons being made on Discovery Channel's "How It's Made". >> Was surprised how rudimentary the operation seemed. Started with a 10' >> long >> aluminum rod of about 2 1/2 or 3 inch diameter. >> >> After heating it up a lot, it went into a (2000 ton?) punch press. >> >> The parts that surprised me were the various drilling and milling >> operations. They seemed like any other drill press operations. But maybe >> the >> presses were a lot more precise. >> >> At the end, a guy with what looked like a pocket knife scraped off rough >> edges and then used a belt sander to smooth edes. >> >> I know when I had my 440 V8 built, I thought it sounded cool that I had >> TRW >> forged aluminum pistons. I think I just saw some being made. >> >> Though these on the TV program were for use in a V-twin motorcycle >> engine, I >> believe. >> >> Brian >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc.
Yeah, great looking clock. I use Firefox by the way and the pic came through with no problems. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very nice clock. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "mercedes" > Sent: 2/5/08 6:04 PM > Subject: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc. > > Alex, I sent the clock photo again yesterday as a jpg - 'haven't seen > it, > yet. > > Here it is again. > > Wilton > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: wiltclock3.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 91633 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080205 > /a4785b88/attachment.jpg > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1259 - Release Date: > 2/4/2008 8:42 PM > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
oh stop complaining, I did an oil change 2 weeks ago with a foot of snow on the ground, and I did it from the bottom.. I'm still picking the road salt out of my ears. hee hee. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I spent all afternoon doing a valve adjustment on my '84 300D, thank > goodness it was 72F and I could work with the garage door open. 1st time > I've done this by myself, what a bear . . . > > G. M. Brown > Brevard, NC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc.
Very nice clock. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mercedes" Sent: 2/5/08 6:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc. Alex, I sent the clock photo again yesterday as a jpg - 'haven't seen it, yet. Here it is again. Wilton -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wiltclock3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 91633 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080205 /a4785b88/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1259 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 8:42 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Valve adjustment
I spent all afternoon doing a valve adjustment on my '84 300D, thank goodness it was 72F and I could work with the garage door open. 1st time I've done this by myself, what a bear . . . G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT why america is finished NOW SEARS
If it's that bad why not move? On Feb 5, 2008 9:46 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mitch wrote:< they figure out that the people have to pay for it sometime>> > > Sadly, even though some people are shouting this loudly, it is met with > deaf > ears -- > > The govt has changed dramatically from the one set up by Madison, > Jefferson > and friends 250 + years ago. IMHO, when the constitution was bastardized > to make the clause concerning commerce was interpreted to cover virtually > *anything* that happens in this country, the country started the slide > downward. There was initially much discussion between our forefathers > about > limiting the fed govts and preserving states rights - many people believe > states rights were the driving issue behind the Civil War - slavery was a > peripheral issue. Now the fedgov provides everything from meals to > disadvantaged kids to condoms for teens and everything in between. > Anyway, > now, obviously, FedGovCo is king - they get the lions share of taxes - > including social security funds - goes to them and is spent. I hope no > one > still thinks the money they pay in is set aside for them somewhere waiting > for them to retire? It's spent before it even arrives. > > It's depressing, but all the money everyone on this site will pay to the > FedGov in our lifetimes will be spent by them in a heartbeat - possibly > down > some black hole in another country that fills the bank acct of some > corrupt > leader. Think of what we could have done with all those social security > funds if you had put it into the stock market or mutual funds. Sure the > market goes up and down - but the average since ~1900 is still ~10% return > (can't recall the details). What return does the govt give you? Don't > forget - your employer matches your payment for SS. When I used to > estimate > such things, we'd double the going pay rate to get a projection of what > it > would cost to hire another engineer, designer, scientist, etc. > > Sorry for the rant -- I'm more and more upset seeing the states lose theor > identity and become one of 50 look-alikes. > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT why america is finished NOW SEARS > > > > Scott Ritchey wrote: > >> IMHO, anyone who is a net recipient of > >> government largess should not be allowed to vote. > > > > A democracy can only last until the people figure out they can vote > > themselves government largess. They figure this out long before > > they figure out that the people have to pay for it sometime. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dat Foosball is Over
It's dictated by the marketplace, Gary. On Feb 5, 2008 9:40 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > don't get me wrong. i mean, i'm big on ethnic stereotyping. i just find > it > odd how some groups are absolutely off limits while others can be freely > denigrated at the super bowl. > > On Feb 4, 2008 11:54 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > the one with the chinese pandas was even shocking. can you imagine > > > the uproar of those pandas were black? > > > > That was for Sales Genie I think -- they had one earlier with an > > Indian character with a very distinct accent and stereotypical > > speech. I was rather surprised by both spots. > > > > OTOH I do remember them... Hm. > > > > Allan > > -- > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
Is air quality due to burning oil in Timbuktu a concern these days? If anyone wants to make the air more breathable, send the poor buggers some dust masks to keep the desert sand out of their lungs. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > > > How the heck can that be carbon negative, to me carbon negative means > > removing carbon from the air. > > > I think their point was that delivering a bio refinery is supposed to be > carbon negative because the future bio production offsets dino oil > consumption. > However, they could have just produced biodiesel where they lived, and > saved all the fuel used to deliver the processor to to wherever. > > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > How the heck can that be carbon negative, to me carbon negative means > removing carbon from the air. I think their point was that delivering a bio refinery is supposed to be carbon negative because the future bio production offsets dino oil consumption. However, they could have just produced biodiesel where they lived, and saved all the fuel used to deliver the processor to to wherever. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc.
Ha! Figured out how to do it. Attached is the picture of Wilton and his very impressive grandfather clock! On Feb 5, 2008 9:28 AM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Me too, it's some kind of encoding that GMail and/or Firefox and/or XP > doesn't recognize. Can somebody figure out how to decode and repost > the picture? I'd really like to see it. > > Alex Chamberlain > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Feb 4, 2008 4:42 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried downloading the attachment & got nothing. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of wilton strickland > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:59 AM > > To: mercedes > > Subject: [MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc. > > > > Not only has my tremor diminished enough that I can change oil; check this > > photo of the replica 1790 Simon Willard tall case clock I've built recently. > > It's a Bartly Classic Reproductions kit. I started it 1 Nov 07; finished it > > 10 Jan 08. Son's iPhone photo doesn't show inlay work on clock case very > > well, but it certainly shows very well that I've been eating too much. > > > > Wilton -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wilton-clock.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 84180 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080205/1ccbb91f/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc.
Alex, I sent the clock photo again yesterday as a jpg - 'haven't seen it, yet. Here it is again. Wilton -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wiltclock3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 91633 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080205/a4785b88/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc.
Let's try it again with this jpg. Wilton - Original Message - From: "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mercedes" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: OT - diminished tremor, oil changes, etc. > Not only has my tremor diminished enough that I can change oil; check this > photo of the replica 1790 Simon Willard tall case clock I've built recently. > It's a Bartly Classic Reproductions kit. I started it 1 Nov 07; finished it > 10 Jan 08. Son's iPhone photo doesn't show inlay work on clock case very > well, but it certainly shows very well that I've been eating too much. > > Wilton > -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wiltclock3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 91633 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080204/6bc85788/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
yes, that is true, lets tone it back a bit Hendrik & Fay wrote: > I seem to remember Kaleb asking that politics not be discussed. > There is a fair bit of provocative stuff in this post and I'm sure the > same could be said for the other side. > > Hendrik > > LarryT wrote: >> Brian wrote<> always been >> Democrat, so she's a Demo>> >> >> Sadly thats why many people vote democratic. People like Jews and blacks >> (sorry - I just cannot say African American with a straight face) have voted >> 90% democrat for 40 years and I cannot find any good reason why. The party >> doesnt seem to have help either group. Actually, it was democrats who held >> up the 64 civil rights act for years. And FDR - the father of american >> socialism - didn;t bomb the railway system leading to the concentration >> camps in WW2 when he became aware of what was happening. >> >> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
Yes but the cost and time involved in recycling 10% would still need to be carried. It would mean 6 minutes out of every hour is lost. I could understand doing that to high performance pistons, especially racing pistons where failure is a big no no. It's like testing every tenth car that comes off an assembly line, sure they may do that at the start of a run of new models. Hendrik E M wrote: > Not a total loss, I bet the scrap 10% ends up back in the smelter. > > Ed > 300E > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
They go back to recycle if defective, along with all the scrap and turnings. I believe the pistons in diesel engines are investment cast rather than forged so that the oil passages can be made directly rather than machined (the turbos have oil cooled pistons). Makes them a bit pricey, but they last forever. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
I read an article, written back in the 80s I think, that said in the UK, the energy used to manufacture a new car was equal to driving the then average new car about 50,000 miles, if my memory serves me. It was from an old car mag, and they were trying to make the point of how restoring an old car, even though it used more fuel and no emissions equipment, was still easier on the earth than junking it, and buying new for many people. Everyone twists facts to fit their agenda, but if you factor in the fuel to mine the steel, or even to gather and recycle metal to make it into something usable again, I can see it. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How the heck can that be carbon negative, to me carbon negative means > removing carbon from the air. > Perhaps the greenies are no longer satisfied with the term 'carbon > neutral', although my understanding is that the combustion cycle will > always produce some carbon no matter what the fuel used. > Although this part is yet to come > http://www.biotruck.co.uk/index.php?men=measure wonder why? > And I quote "However, the drive will still produce 500kg of CO2, so > without the offsetting project it cannot be considered carbon negative, > or even neutral." from this page > > http://www.biotruck.co.uk/index.php?men=measure&con=How%20Carbon%20is%20Measured > so basically it is not carbon 'negative' or even carbon 'neutral'. > Ahh that's right because they used an old truck they saved 8 tonnes of > carbon, fuzzy logic. > > Hendrik > who saved the planet yesterday because I did not drive the car but I can > drive twice as much today and furthermore since my car is second hand I > am carbon 'negative', which offsets the fact that it has not O2 sensor > or cat > > Rich Thomas wrote: > > Is to make some of this. Do you think I could collect some feedstock > > from some New Orleans restaurants? > > > > --R > > > > > > *Chocolate fuelled BioTruck makes it to *Timbuktu > > on the worlds first Carbon Negative Expedition. > > > > Adventures Andy Pag (34) and John Grimshaw (39) have just returned from > > the 8500km drive from the UK to Timbuktu using Biodiesel made from waste > > chocolate. > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I seem to remember Kaleb asking that politics not be discussed. There is a fair bit of provocative stuff in this post and I'm sure the same could be said for the other side. Hendrik LarryT wrote: > Brian wrote< always been > Democrat, so she's a Demo>> > > Sadly thats why many people vote democratic. People like Jews and blacks > (sorry - I just cannot say African American with a straight face) have voted > 90% democrat for 40 years and I cannot find any good reason why. The party > doesnt seem to have help either group. Actually, it was democrats who held > up the 64 civil rights act for years. And FDR - the father of american > socialism - didn;t bomb the railway system leading to the concentration > camps in WW2 when he became aware of what was happening. > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] another addition
Not really, unless it was a diesel. Most of these 123 LWB cars came over from western Europe after seeing service as taxis. AS a result, nearly every one I ever saw while searching for the former Klebmobile was ratted out or near the end of it's useful life. Because these are fairly rare (mine was a privately owned import that just barely snuck in before the EPA closed all the loopholes) people think they are: 1.) Worth boatloads of money. They're not. 2.) Limousines. Again, not. The 123 LWB chassis was, like many European 123s, intended as a basic bottom of the line piece of transportation. Many had manual windows, manual seats, no AC, velour upholstery (mine) and other basic trappings. The jump seats are just that - jump seats - and are not intended for anything other than city driving, if that, as they have no restraints. The one good/bad thing about it was the later model M123 inline six, an engine that was an updated variant of the venerable M130 from the days of the 114 chassis. It was pretty bulletproof, but had two Achilles heels - it was carburated (sp?) with a Solex that was a major POS (far worse than any Zenith) that warped bases so badly you couldn't keep one on it for more than a few hundred miles before it warped again. And the M123 was still afflicted with the #5/#6 cylinder water jacket erosion and valve guide wear that was common to the M130, too. I really enjoyed mine when I had it, but it was still impractical for carrying large numbers of people safely due to the lack of seatbelts. The AC was woefully inadequate, too, which required dark window tint to make the rear cabin habitable on hot days. Of all the MBs I've had over the years (check out the list at penoff.com) I miss my 1963 300SE the most. That was a cool car, and probably the only one I ever made money on when I sold it. Dan --- Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 250, which was a gray market 123 chassis. > > I saw a 1984 300D LWB limo on some CL site in > California. They were asking > $13K for it with 85K original miles on it (pretty > good if it's true). > > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A 2nd wing finally!
Right side mirrors for the W115 chassis are rare -- only 74-76 had them, and they seem to have been an option not all that many buyers got. We've been looking for some time for my brother's 75 300D. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My next activity
How the heck can that be carbon negative, to me carbon negative means removing carbon from the air. Perhaps the greenies are no longer satisfied with the term 'carbon neutral', although my understanding is that the combustion cycle will always produce some carbon no matter what the fuel used. Although this part is yet to come http://www.biotruck.co.uk/index.php?men=measure wonder why? And I quote "However, the drive will still produce 500kg of CO2, so without the offsetting project it cannot be considered carbon negative, or even neutral." from this page http://www.biotruck.co.uk/index.php?men=measure&con=How%20Carbon%20is%20Measured so basically it is not carbon 'negative' or even carbon 'neutral'. Ahh that's right because they used an old truck they saved 8 tonnes of carbon, fuzzy logic. Hendrik who saved the planet yesterday because I did not drive the car but I can drive twice as much today and furthermore since my car is second hand I am carbon 'negative', which offsets the fact that it has not O2 sensor or cat Rich Thomas wrote: > Is to make some of this. Do you think I could collect some feedstock > from some New Orleans restaurants? > > --R > > > *Chocolate fuelled BioTruck makes it to *Timbuktu > on the worlds first Carbon Negative Expedition. > > Adventures Andy Pag (34) and John Grimshaw (39) have just returned from > the 8500km drive from the UK to Timbuktu using Biodiesel made from waste > chocolate. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A 2nd wing finally!
Was it new or used? How much? Those are rare. R A Bennell wrote: > Finally ordered a right side mirror for my 76 300D and it arrived today. > Looks good. Got it by searching online and > connecting with European Automotive Group in Moultrie, Georgia. Nice fellow > named Davey did what he said he would. > Always nice to have a good experience with things like this. > > Randy > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT hard to get parts.
I bet it could hardly make it up the driveway into the garage with a 500E powertrain in it. lol Even lambo tried to upgrade the engine in later models with a version of its larger marine V12, but the added weight took away any advantages the increased HP provided. Eddie Van Halen still keeps one too I believe. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2008 2:43 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2008 2:37 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's not related, but I wonder where one goes to get a set of > replacement > > > tires for an old Lamborghini LM002? They made two versions in the > day, one > > > better suited for road and light off road, and more more aggressive > for real > > > off road. Later, they dropped the "off road" tire and just offered > the > > > single style. I can't find a listing on Coker or Pirelli. I have > seen NOS > > > on eBay, but who would want to mount a tire more than 2-3 years old > anyway? > > > > What, are they a funny size or something? > > Never mind, I get it. I just Googled "LM002 tires." > > Interestingly, one of the first things that came up was about how Tina > Turner couldn't drive a stick and the Lambo engine was too unreliable, > so she had a 500E drivetrain swapped into her LM002. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW SEARS (was: pizza, not mercedes)
Parts for HD are made all over the world, some of the solid disc wheels used (or still could be) to be made a few K's down the road from where I live. This is part of globalisation, which is good in the sense that it gives people all over the world employment opportunities. I know some of you think that everything should be made in the good ole US of A and screw all those loser countries but Hendrik LWB250 wrote: > Even back in the time when everyone referred to it as > "American Iron" many of the subassemblies, such as > carbs, were made offshore. > > I always chuckled when I heard someone make that > comment. For a couple of years I had an end flap from > an H-D carb box that had very tiny discreet lettering > that said something like "portions of the contents > were made in Japan" or something to that effect. > > Dan > > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] another addition
123, its on the front page of okiebenz.com Kevin Kraly wrote: > kicking myself in the ass for not keeping the LWB. Crap!! > > What model LWB? > > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] another addition
Once the fuel pump is put on it will. Kevin Kraly wrote: > its sitting on my trailer. > > Does it run and drive? My sister's inlaws (the same ones I bought the '78 > 300CD from) had a 1976 450SLC. I got to ride in it once before FIL died. > It seemed powerful though it had a fuel injection problem (stumbled at times > and would load up at idle). That's my limited experience with 107's. > > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, job eliminated -MB business
you are on my list!! Bill Ringgold wrote: > .. And my 126 seat botto springs - and under door light. No big hurry, but > I am ready to install them. > BillR > > > -Original Message- > From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: 2/4/08 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, job eliminated > > Crap! Sorry to hear that - I must have slept through the first announcement > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
Not a total loss, I bet the scrap 10% ends up back in the smelter. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well what do you think, reckon they can scrap 10% of production and be > profitable? > > Hendrik > > Zoltan Finks wrote: > > This reminds me: In the program they said that every tenth piston was > pulled > > out and water poured on it so they could check for imperfections. I > wonder > > if these pistons are thrown back in the mix for use? Or does it not > > adversely affect them? > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
They're a funny size, huge and at the time in the early 80s, were about $3500 each. NOS is great for trim bits and fenders, but NOS tires are junk unless the car is going under glass, and then, what would be the point of owning it. As for shows, guess it depends on the level of competition. I know often guys will have their show rims and tires and swap them. Some will give you points if the car starts and others will swab the tail pipe for any dirt and shake their heads at you. I like Leno's take on it. He says, "restore them to 100 point cars, and have fun driving them down to 2 point cars again". If everyone was out putting lots of miles on their 600 SWB cars, bet a water pump wouldn't cost $5000 to replace. People don't drive them much, so they don't break often, and so little reason for mercedes to keep a lot of parts on the shelf for one. They do keep them, but if a water pump sits on a shelf for 15 years, they still have to pay the rent to store it for you. Best way to ensure a future supply of parts for our old cars is to keep driving them and using them up, that way, we create a reason for someone to keep making parts for us. Luckily for us, mercedes is great at helping to keep their old cars on the road. Not many manufactures stand behind and support their products for so long. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2008 2:37 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not related, but I wonder where one goes to get a set of > replacement > > tires for an old Lamborghini LM002? They made two versions in the day, > one > > better suited for road and light off road, and more more aggressive for > real > > off road. Later, they dropped the "off road" tire and just offered the > > single style. I can't find a listing on Coker or Pirelli. I have seen > NOS > > on eBay, but who would want to mount a tire more than 2-3 years old > anyway? > > > What, are they a funny size or something? Or do you mean getting the > original make/model of tire for a show? If the latter, what's wrong > with NOS? You don't really have to drive on them. > > I was at an auction of '30s and '40s Fords last summer (collector > liquidating his warehouse or something like that) where I noticed that > many of the cars had some really old-looking spark plugs installed. > Asked somebody official about it and he said they kept sets of > original plugs around just for that reason---in other words, they > drove the cars in to the auction site with new, functional plugs, then > pullled them and replaced them with the old ones for looks. First > time I'd heard of that trick, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention > at the concours and such that I've been to before. > > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
Well what do you think, reckon they can scrap 10% of production and be profitable? Hendrik Zoltan Finks wrote: > This reminds me: In the program they said that every tenth piston was pulled > out and water poured on it so they could check for imperfections. I wonder > if these pistons are thrown back in the mix for use? Or does it not > adversely affect them? > Brian > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] another addition
250, which was a gray market 123 chassis. I saw a 1984 300D LWB limo on some CL site in California. They were asking $13K for it with 85K original miles on it (pretty good if it's true). Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine Swap Question
convincing people a K&N is an improvement over all other intake filters. If it were only true. I fell for the hype and bought one for my parents' '99 Suburban and '01 PT Cruiser, but found out later how damaging they can be by letting huge amounts of dirt into the engine. The Cruiser had 14Kmi on it, and needed an engine flush (according to the dealer). I took the K&N outta there and reinstalled the stock paper filter. i'll never buy another one of those, even for my RC car! I used a chrome K&N crankcase breather filter on one of my cars since it fit just right on the carb as an air filter. oil-soaked Foam filters and plastic mesh screen work the best for them. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
On Feb 5, 2008 2:43 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 5, 2008 2:37 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not related, but I wonder where one goes to get a set of replacement > > tires for an old Lamborghini LM002? They made two versions in the day, one > > better suited for road and light off road, and more more aggressive for real > > off road. Later, they dropped the "off road" tire and just offered the > > single style. I can't find a listing on Coker or Pirelli. I have seen NOS > > on eBay, but who would want to mount a tire more than 2-3 years old anyway? > > What, are they a funny size or something? Never mind, I get it. I just Googled "LM002 tires." Interestingly, one of the first things that came up was about how Tina Turner couldn't drive a stick and the Lambo engine was too unreliable, so she had a 500E drivetrain swapped into her LM002. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
On Feb 5, 2008 2:37 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not related, but I wonder where one goes to get a set of replacement > tires for an old Lamborghini LM002? They made two versions in the day, one > better suited for road and light off road, and more more aggressive for real > off road. Later, they dropped the "off road" tire and just offered the > single style. I can't find a listing on Coker or Pirelli. I have seen NOS > on eBay, but who would want to mount a tire more than 2-3 years old anyway? What, are they a funny size or something? Or do you mean getting the original make/model of tire for a show? If the latter, what's wrong with NOS? You don't really have to drive on them. I was at an auction of '30s and '40s Fords last summer (collector liquidating his warehouse or something like that) where I noticed that many of the cars had some really old-looking spark plugs installed. Asked somebody official about it and he said they kept sets of original plugs around just for that reason---in other words, they drove the cars in to the auction site with new, functional plugs, then pullled them and replaced them with the old ones for looks. First time I'd heard of that trick, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention at the concours and such that I've been to before. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S-Class In Okie-land
I am thinking more stream of consciousness. On Feb 5, 2008 4:40 PM, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This guy flunked English. No punctuation. At least it is all in caps. > > I meant ISN'T in CAPS. Maybe I flunked English... > > Rick Knoble > '85 300 CD > '87 190 DT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S-Class In Okie-land
> This guy flunked English. No punctuation. At least it is all in caps. I meant ISN'T in CAPS. Maybe I flunked English... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
I was doing some reading on the 6.9. Seems Corker make the proper 15" tired for the 6.9 for about $400 a piece. It's not related, but I wonder where one goes to get a set of replacement tires for an old Lamborghini LM002? They made two versions in the day, one better suited for road and light off road, and more more aggressive for real off road. Later, they dropped the "off road" tire and just offered the single style. I can't find a listing on Coker or Pirelli. I have seen NOS on eBay, but who would want to mount a tire more than 2-3 years old anyway? Wonder what these guys do. There must be others with some vintage mercedes in the same boat. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Looks like we need to pool pur resources & tallent & manufacture > replacement 600 parts... > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Received: 2/5/08 4:29 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > CC: > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices > > Last I heard, the price of the heater control panel is about ten grand. > > RLE > > > ** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 > 00 > 02548) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1259 - Release Date: > 2/4/2008 8:42 PM > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
On Feb 5, 2008 2:29 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah, one door latch is about $1800 and a new water pump is $5000. There > are rebuild kits, for $500. Sounds like a bargooon. Those are "service" > items, imagine the price of parts that seldom need attention. > And at what point does the factory price get high enough that you are better off taking the broken part down to the corner machinist who will make you a new one from scratch? I love this idea of a machine renowned as the highest-tech, best-built automobile of its time being kept on the road by painstaking hand craftsmanship---basically pre-Industrial-Revolution, pre-mass-production methods. The 20th century meets the 18th! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S-Class In Okie-land
Wonder if he would be willing to just sell the rims. On Feb 5, 2008 4:32 PM, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/car/563967303.html > > This guy flunked English. No punctuation. At least it is all in caps. > > 116? > > Rick Knoble > '85 300 CD > '87 190 DT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] S-Class In Okie-land
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/car/563967303.html This guy flunked English. No punctuation. At least it is all in caps. 116? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
yeah, one door latch is about $1800 and a new water pump is $5000. There are rebuild kits, for $500. Sounds like a bargooon. Those are "service" items, imagine the price of parts that seldom need attention. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Last I heard, the price of the heater control panel is about ten grand. > > RLE > > > ** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300 > 02548) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
This reminds me: In the program they said that every tenth piston was pulled out and water poured on it so they could check for imperfections. I wonder if these pistons are thrown back in the mix for use? Or does it not adversely affect them? Brian On Feb 5, 2008 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 5, 2008 1:44 PM, Rich Thomas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Watch that movie "The World's Fastest Indian" (a true story about that > > guy) and in it he makes some pistons for his Indian motorcycle by > > melting down a bunch of aluminum scrap and pouring it in a mold he made > > (in his "shed"). I don't remember them showing him machining it down, > > but it was kinda cool. It's a fun movie too. > > > > And in Cuba supposedly they make piston rings by cutting slices out of > old soup cans. > > But neither of those examples have much to do (we hope!) with how > modern mass-produced car parts are made. I can't imagine there is ANY > human being directly involved, other than maybe a QA eyeball now and > then, in the manufacture of parts for, say, a Toyota Camry engine. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1983 300TD in Jax
Manfred - Craigslist has a 1983 300TD for sale. Pics show some rust, but no idea how much. $1,200. I have not seen it. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/car/560728015.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
On Feb 5, 2008 1:44 PM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Watch that movie "The World's Fastest Indian" (a true story about that > guy) and in it he makes some pistons for his Indian motorcycle by > melting down a bunch of aluminum scrap and pouring it in a mold he made > (in his "shed"). I don't remember them showing him machining it down, > but it was kinda cool. It's a fun movie too. > And in Cuba supposedly they make piston rings by cutting slices out of old soup cans. But neither of those examples have much to do (we hope!) with how modern mass-produced car parts are made. I can't imagine there is ANY human being directly involved, other than maybe a QA eyeball now and then, in the manufacture of parts for, say, a Toyota Camry engine. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
Watch that movie "The World's Fastest Indian" (a true story about that guy) and in it he makes some pistons for his Indian motorcycle by melting down a bunch of aluminum scrap and pouring it in a mold he made (in his "shed"). I don't remember them showing him machining it down, but it was kinda cool. It's a fun movie too. There was one of those car shows that had a segment on a company that makes pistons for all kinds of obsolete engines, their process is pretty similar. --R Zoltan Finks wrote: > Just watched pistons being made on Discovery Channel's "How It's Made". > Was surprised how rudimentary the operation seemed. Started with a 10' long > aluminum rod of about 2 1/2 or 3 inch diameter. > > After heating it up a lot, it went into a (2000 ton?) punch press. > > The parts that surprised me were the various drilling and milling > operations. They seemed like any other drill press operations. But maybe the > presses were a lot more precise. > > At the end, a guy with what looked like a pocket knife scraped off rough > edges and then used a belt sander to smooth edes. > > I know when I had my 440 V8 built, I thought it sounded cool that I had TRW > forged aluminum pistons. I think I just saw some being made. > > Though these on the TV program were for use in a V-twin motorcycle engine, I > believe. > > Brian > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
Looks like we need to pool pur resources & tallent & manufacture replacement 600 parts... Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/5/08 4:29 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices Last I heard, the price of the heater control panel is about ten grand. RLE ** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 00 02548) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1259 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 8:42 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts prices
Last I heard, the price of the heater control panel is about ten grand. RLE ** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300 02548) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW SEARS (was: pizza, not mercedes)
Almost as funny as when Canadians say, "I like to buy domestic cars". There is no such animal here. lol Well, not for about 80 years or so anyway. :-) Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Even back in the time when everyone referred to it as > "American Iron" many of the subassemblies, such as > carbs, were made offshore. > > I always chuckled when I heard someone make that > comment. For a couple of years I had an end flap from > an H-D carb box that had very tiny discreet lettering > that said something like "portions of the contents > were made in Japan" or something to that effect. > > Dan > > > --- E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Friend of mine is into Harley's and I went to buy a > > few Screaming Eagle bits > > for his birthday. Noticed they were made in China > > and passed on them. Not > > that I'm a big fan of Harley's, but some things are > > just American icons, and > > I want to see "Made in America" on them. > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 05/02/2008, George Larribeau > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > My Moto Guzzi has less Japanese parts in it that > > my Harley Davidson. > > > (at least when it was made Moto Guzzi still made > > their own forks) > > > The Moto Guzzi's biggest weakness are parts of its > > electrical system, > > > fortunately the starter and alternator were Bosch > > However the wiring and > > > switches leave something to be desired. > > > > > > > > > George Larribeau > > > Dallas Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:18 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW > > SEARS (was: pizza,not > > > mercedes) > > > > > > > > > > some people still think of Chevy and Ford being > > American cars and car > > > > companies - truth is all auto companies are so > > world diversified that > > > they > > > > cannot be considered AMerican. look at > > DamlierChrysler for an example > > > > close > > > > to home - > > > > > > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > > > > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > > > > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > > > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > > > > Weber Carb Info > > http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > . > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:39 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW > > SEARS (was: pizza,not > > > > mercedes) > > > > > > > > > > > >> Yep, we've been a global economy for a long, > > long time - much longer > > > than > > > >> the average list member has been around. > > > >> > > > >> The original wheel bearings in my 1959 220S > > Mercedes were made in > > > Japan. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Tom Hargrave > > > >> www.kegkits.com > > > >> 256-656-1924 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> On Behalf Of archer > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:56 AM > > > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW > > SEARS (was: pizza,not > > > >> mercedes) > > > >> > > > >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>> Just because something is made in China does > > not mean it's cheap and > > > >>> there > > > >>> is a huge difference in quality between Harbor > > Freight and Sears "made > > > >>> in > > > >>> China" tools. > > > >>> And there is more to "made in wherever" than > > most who complain will > > > ever > > > >>> be > > > >>> willing to understand. I "grew up" in telecomm > > manufacturing as a > > > test, > > > >>> process and quality Engineer and even back in > > the 70's, we would out > > > >>> source > > > >>> manufacturing to other countries. Most of > > these assemblies and > > > products > > > >>> were > > > >>> too costly, dirty or dangerous to be > > manufactured here in the States. > > > >>> > > > >>> And the same process is still happening today. > > We hear of > > > manufacturing > > > >>> & > > > >>> goods moving off shore. But has anyone taken > > the trouble to look at > > > what > > > >>> is > > > >>> really moving to China? It's all of the low > > cost, labor intensive > > > >>> manufacturing jobs that no-one wants to do > > here. > > > >>> > > > >>> I remember when the last Lee plant in > > Tennessee moved - my sister > > > in-law > > > >>> worked there for 12 years, until they closed. > > She worked 12 hours / > > > day, > > > >>> 6 > > > >>> days / week at a base pay of $8.00 / hour. > > Also, she had no > > > fingernails > > > >>> left > > > >>> from handling the blue jean material all day > > long. Neither did the > > > >>> co-workers I met. Lee moved, not to save > > money, but to stay in > > > business. > > > >>> Market pressures kept thei
Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW SEARS (was: pizza, not mercedes)
Even back in the time when everyone referred to it as "American Iron" many of the subassemblies, such as carbs, were made offshore. I always chuckled when I heard someone make that comment. For a couple of years I had an end flap from an H-D carb box that had very tiny discreet lettering that said something like "portions of the contents were made in Japan" or something to that effect. Dan --- E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Friend of mine is into Harley's and I went to buy a > few Screaming Eagle bits > for his birthday. Noticed they were made in China > and passed on them. Not > that I'm a big fan of Harley's, but some things are > just American icons, and > I want to see "Made in America" on them. > > Ed > 300E > > On 05/02/2008, George Larribeau > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My Moto Guzzi has less Japanese parts in it that > my Harley Davidson. > > (at least when it was made Moto Guzzi still made > their own forks) > > The Moto Guzzi's biggest weakness are parts of its > electrical system, > > fortunately the starter and alternator were Bosch > However the wiring and > > switches leave something to be desired. > > > > > > George Larribeau > > Dallas Texas > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW > SEARS (was: pizza,not > > mercedes) > > > > > > > some people still think of Chevy and Ford being > American cars and car > > > companies - truth is all auto companies are so > world diversified that > > they > > > cannot be considered AMerican. look at > DamlierChrysler for an example > > > close > > > to home - > > > > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > > > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > > > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > > > Weber Carb Info > http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > . > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW > SEARS (was: pizza,not > > > mercedes) > > > > > > > > >> Yep, we've been a global economy for a long, > long time - much longer > > than > > >> the average list member has been around. > > >> > > >> The original wheel bearings in my 1959 220S > Mercedes were made in > > Japan. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Tom Hargrave > > >> www.kegkits.com > > >> 256-656-1924 > > >> > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> On Behalf Of archer > > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:56 AM > > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] why america is finished NOW > SEARS (was: pizza,not > > >> mercedes) > > >> > > >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> Just because something is made in China does > not mean it's cheap and > > >>> there > > >>> is a huge difference in quality between Harbor > Freight and Sears "made > > >>> in > > >>> China" tools. > > >>> And there is more to "made in wherever" than > most who complain will > > ever > > >>> be > > >>> willing to understand. I "grew up" in telecomm > manufacturing as a > > test, > > >>> process and quality Engineer and even back in > the 70's, we would out > > >>> source > > >>> manufacturing to other countries. Most of > these assemblies and > > products > > >>> were > > >>> too costly, dirty or dangerous to be > manufactured here in the States. > > >>> > > >>> And the same process is still happening today. > We hear of > > manufacturing > > >>> & > > >>> goods moving off shore. But has anyone taken > the trouble to look at > > what > > >>> is > > >>> really moving to China? It's all of the low > cost, labor intensive > > >>> manufacturing jobs that no-one wants to do > here. > > >>> > > >>> I remember when the last Lee plant in > Tennessee moved - my sister > > in-law > > >>> worked there for 12 years, until they closed. > She worked 12 hours / > > day, > > >>> 6 > > >>> days / week at a base pay of $8.00 / hour. > Also, she had no > > fingernails > > >>> left > > >>> from handling the blue jean material all day > long. Neither did the > > >>> co-workers I met. Lee moved, not to save > money, but to stay in > > business. > > >>> Market pressures kept their selling price > down, they could not afford > > to > > >>> pay > > >>> higher wages and they could not attract enough > workers to stay in > > >>> production > > >>> in Tennessee. > > >>> Take a hard look at the other extreme - higher > tech manufacturing and > > >>> you'll > > >>> find that jobs are growing in this country. > > >> > > >> Back in the 1970s my brother-in-law would never > buy anything which > > wasn't > > >> made in USA. He once asked me to fix his > Sylvania TV. The power > > s
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
Cleaned off the burs with a pocket knife? Those pistons must have been heading for a Ferrari. hee hee. I read an article once on how early Testarossa's, not the early early ones, the flat 12s, had beautifully machined cranks, but then, they often wouldn't bother to clean off the metal shaving all that well before assembly. Still, who can't help but love those red cars. :-) Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just watched pistons being made on Discovery Channel's "How It's Made". > Was surprised how rudimentary the operation seemed. Started with a 10' > long > aluminum rod of about 2 1/2 or 3 inch diameter. > > After heating it up a lot, it went into a (2000 ton?) punch press. > > The parts that surprised me were the various drilling and milling > operations. They seemed like any other drill press operations. But maybe > the > presses were a lot more precise. > > At the end, a guy with what looked like a pocket knife scraped off rough > edges and then used a belt sander to smooth edes. > > I know when I had my 440 V8 built, I thought it sounded cool that I had > TRW > forged aluminum pistons. I think I just saw some being made. > > Though these on the TV program were for use in a V-twin motorcycle engine, > I > believe. > > Brian > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
I saw the same show - they are more precise than you'd think from the video. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: 2/5/08 3:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List CC: Subject: [MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this? Just watched pistons being made on Discovery Channel's "How It's Made". Was surprised how rudimentary the operation seemed. Started with a 10' long aluminum rod of about 2 1/2 or 3 inch diameter. After heating it up a lot, it went into a (2000 ton?) punch press. The parts that surprised me were the various drilling and milling operations. They seemed like any other drill press operations. But maybe the presses were a lot more precise. At the end, a guy with what looked like a pocket knife scraped off rough edges and then used a belt sander to smooth edes. I know when I had my 440 V8 built, I thought it sounded cool that I had TRW forged aluminum pistons. I think I just saw some being made. Though these on the TV program were for use in a V-twin motorcycle engine, I believe. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1259 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 8:42 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Are Mercedes pistons more precise than this?
Just watched pistons being made on Discovery Channel's "How It's Made". Was surprised how rudimentary the operation seemed. Started with a 10' long aluminum rod of about 2 1/2 or 3 inch diameter. After heating it up a lot, it went into a (2000 ton?) punch press. The parts that surprised me were the various drilling and milling operations. They seemed like any other drill press operations. But maybe the presses were a lot more precise. At the end, a guy with what looked like a pocket knife scraped off rough edges and then used a belt sander to smooth edes. I know when I had my 440 V8 built, I thought it sounded cool that I had TRW forged aluminum pistons. I think I just saw some being made. Though these on the TV program were for use in a V-twin motorcycle engine, I believe. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 SWB vacuum diagram?
Thanks Randy, I'll give our local branch a ring. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could cost you by the page but you might try a library. My wife works in a > university library and I believe they > have things like old newspapers and periodicals on fiche and reels that > people use for research. They also have the > readers that will make prints for about the cost of a photocopy if I'm not > mistaken. > > Randy > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:14 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 SWB vacuum diagram? > > > Hi Larry, thanks for your offer. I'll have to look around for a reader > that > makes copies. You know, I had a huge reader, with a built in photocopier > which I bought just to read all my Porsche manuals which are on micro. I > printed them all up, and then got rid of the reader. I couldn't give it > away, and once I tossed it, about a half dozen friends all came forward > saying they wanted it. lol > > Again, thanks for you offer, but I'll hold off until I can find a reader > again. lol > > Ed > 300E > > On 05/02/2008, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Ed, > > I have a set of MicroFische which has all the MB parts including the > > 600. I > > no longer have my viewer so I can only offer to send them and let you > find > > a > > place to print the 600 stuff. Be happy to do that - usually Blueprint > > Reproduction services companies that cater to design firms and such will > > print Microfische but am not sure of the price. > > > > It will contain all the parts in the 600 - bumper to bumper, so any > vacuum > > parts will be included. But you're right, almost all moving parts are > > powered by hydraulics - the windows move silently up and > down. Everything > > on the car was designed to be bigger in size - including the hood star. > > > > The only vacuum system I can think of would be the distributor point > > plate. > > > > Let me know if you'd like to borrow the microfische -- > > > > Take care -- > > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > . > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 SWB vacuum diagram? > > > > > > > I'm not sure to be honest, but that's one reason I'm trying to find a > > > little > > > more info on them. The window, suspension, doors, and even the rear > > seat > > > were all hydraulic. I read awhile back that 50 hp of the engines > total > > > output was used just to power the hydraulics. I thought the coolest > > thing > > > was how the trunk closed on one. Mind you don't get your fingers > > caught, > > > or, your head! > > > > > > Ed > > > 300E > > > > > > On 04/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> On Feb 4, 2008 11:46 AM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > I was offered one about 12 years ago for $39,000 at the time. The > > car > > >> was > > >> > is really nice shape overall, only needing a few things to make it > > >> really > > >> > mint. As you know, a few things can quickly equal what you pay for > > the > > >> car. > > >> > :-) I've always loved the SWB, I think it's one of the most > elegant > > >> cars > > >> > mercedes has ever made. It's not too hard finding info on the > > engine, > > >> as > > >> > it's the same one used in the 300SEL 6.3, but I'd like to learn > more > > >> about > > >> > all the other systems in the SWB. > > >> > > >> > > >> Wait wait wait---so you WERE talking about the Grosser. > > >> > > >> Did they even have a vacuum system of any interest, outside of the > > >> engine compartment? I thought the windows, locks, etc. were all > > >> hydraulically operated (i.e. by pressurized ATF or some such rather > > >> than vacuum). > > >> > > >> > > >> Alex Chamberlain > > >> '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbp
Re: [MBZ] OT Tube testers
That was me looking for a tube tester. I have a tube cd player and pre-amp and lots of tubes left over from my tube monoblocks. I wanted a tester so I could match tubes. Randy in Manitobe has sent me some info on testers. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 SWB vacuum diagram?
Could cost you by the page but you might try a library. My wife works in a university library and I believe they have things like old newspapers and periodicals on fiche and reels that people use for research. They also have the readers that will make prints for about the cost of a photocopy if I'm not mistaken. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 SWB vacuum diagram? Hi Larry, thanks for your offer. I'll have to look around for a reader that makes copies. You know, I had a huge reader, with a built in photocopier which I bought just to read all my Porsche manuals which are on micro. I printed them all up, and then got rid of the reader. I couldn't give it away, and once I tossed it, about a half dozen friends all came forward saying they wanted it. lol Again, thanks for you offer, but I'll hold off until I can find a reader again. lol Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Ed, > I have a set of MicroFische which has all the MB parts including the > 600. I > no longer have my viewer so I can only offer to send them and let you find > a > place to print the 600 stuff. Be happy to do that - usually Blueprint > Reproduction services companies that cater to design firms and such will > print Microfische but am not sure of the price. > > It will contain all the parts in the 600 - bumper to bumper, so any vacuum > parts will be included. But you're right, almost all moving parts are > powered by hydraulics - the windows move silently up and down. Everything > on the car was designed to be bigger in size - including the hood star. > > The only vacuum system I can think of would be the distributor point > plate. > > Let me know if you'd like to borrow the microfische -- > > Take care -- > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 SWB vacuum diagram? > > > > I'm not sure to be honest, but that's one reason I'm trying to find a > > little > > more info on them. The window, suspension, doors, and even the rear > seat > > were all hydraulic. I read awhile back that 50 hp of the engines total > > output was used just to power the hydraulics. I thought the coolest > thing > > was how the trunk closed on one. Mind you don't get your fingers > caught, > > or, your head! > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 04/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> On Feb 4, 2008 11:46 AM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I was offered one about 12 years ago for $39,000 at the time. The > car > >> was > >> > is really nice shape overall, only needing a few things to make it > >> really > >> > mint. As you know, a few things can quickly equal what you pay for > the > >> car. > >> > :-) I've always loved the SWB, I think it's one of the most elegant > >> cars > >> > mercedes has ever made. It's not too hard finding info on the > engine, > >> as > >> > it's the same one used in the 300SEL 6.3, but I'd like to learn more > >> about > >> > all the other systems in the SWB. > >> > >> > >> Wait wait wait---so you WERE talking about the Grosser. > >> > >> Did they even have a vacuum system of any interest, outside of the > >> engine compartment? I thought the windows, locks, etc. were all > >> hydraulically operated (i.e. by pressurized ATF or some such rather > >> than vacuum). > >> > >> > >> Alex Chamberlain > >> '87 300D Turbo et al. > > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: h
