Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices
My wife and I figured out that the breaking point pertaining to our 190D is about $3.85 per gallon. At that price it is equally economical to drive our 20 - 22 mpg Honda CRV. Of course this is with the 190 getting 32 on the highway. It has been getting about 34. And now that I have the thermostat changed, I am very excitedly awaiting new mpg data. Brian Tom wrote:That's why I'm driving the Jeep right now. The Jeep gets 21 - 22 MPG on the road while the 300SDL gets 25 MPG on the road. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiper Refill Not Fun
Yeah. You know, I think next time I place an order with Rusty I'll order a spare wiper blade - not just the refill. And I'll carry it in the car. I'm really thinking of the trouble a wiper going out could cause. This reminds me of how with my dearly departed Saab 84 900 I actually superglued the old wiper rubber back to the plastic spine. It was peeling off from age. I was pretty low on money. It actually worked - I thought. What I didn't see coming is that the rubber was so fatigued that it flopped over on its side during each stroke of the wiper. This allowed the metal grabber clamps on the wiper arm to scratch the windshield. DOH. Brian On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the instructions on the back of the Bosch package spoke about some plastic pieces. There are not plastic pieces involved in what I did. That's bizarre and frustrating. I'm home now so I'm looking at the last set of refills I got---they're SWF brand, not Bosch, and the instructions don't mention any plastic pieces. They basically consist of remove old refill, remove metal splines from rubber, transfer metal splines to new rubber strip, reinsert in blade. The trick comes in understanding why it's so important to get each spline on the correct side of the rubber refill, and in the correct orientation to the windshield, the first time around. So I don't know why the Bosch package is so different and the instructions so useless, unless the 201 and 124 pantographic monowipers are different (which I don't think they are, although I wouldn't bet my firstborn on it). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
Well it will come a day when there will not be real actors, they will all be computers. Loren Faeth wrote: Computers work for less money and are much less temperamental and difficult to deal with than real actors and actresses. Movies of the future will have animes, not actors in them At 12:02 AM 3/14/2008, you wrote: Im sorry, I just had to find out if anybody else feels the same about movies these days as I do? For example, I just watched this latest Die Hard movie, which has whole 10-20 minute scenes that are nothing but computer animation. None of the action is realistic at all. Not like the original Die Hard where everything was believable. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
Well, then there is the fact that now they just remake everything. Dukes of Hazzard, Amityville Horrory, The Time Machine, War of the Worlds, I could go on and on, thats just what popped into my head right off the bat. Loren Faeth wrote: Amen Last movie I went to wuz star wars II. Last movie I went to before that wuz Starwars. Even most movies on tv are crap. Only ones I watch regularly are old movies (mostly BW) and Westerns before Hang em high. (ie Clint was young or unborn) Nothing on network tc at all. History channel has been really lame the past few years. When we first got cable in 2001 or so, History had great stuff. TVland or nick at night is about all that i will watch. Some Hallmark I guess. At 12:02 AM 3/14/2008, you wrote: Im sorry, I just had to find out if anybody else feels the same about movies these days as I do? For example, I just watched this latest Die Hard movie, which has whole 10-20 minute scenes that are nothing but computer animation. None of the action is realistic at all. Not like the original Die Hard where everything was believable. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
You're supposed to suspend disbelief when watching movies --- (I know, it's harder every year). -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds
Curt wrote: http://nh.craigslist.org/car/597945983.html - Snook's new ride? That is a nice 98. I think the seller is wrong about the transmission. One of the technicians at the Olds dealership I worked at had two of these. He kept two spare injection pumps around. He swore that they had no head gasket/head problems if you changed the coolant often and replaced the intake gasket every 30,000 miles. I did have a 1981 Olds 98. It was stolen in Atlanta and the police found it a few days later. They broke the steering column and started the car with a spoon (they left the spoon in the car and the cop showed me how it worked). I was in college and didn't have the money to fix the column, so I started it with a spoon for almost three years - until I ran into a fire hydrant and totaled the car. P.S. you know how fire hydrants always break off in movies or TV? Well, I can tell you they do not break off in real life. They have a big ole steel support pipe that can easily take out a 1981 Oldsmobile 98. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigs list finds
Alex C. wrote: I didn't think 124 wheels would fit over the brakes on a 116/126/107/etc. without spacers, but Snook says they will, so what do I know. (Or maybe he has 126 wheels on a 124?) I don't know if all 124 wheels will fit a 126 without spacers. But, the 124 wheels that I got off of a 94 320 Wagon did fit onto my 126. As Ok Don pointed out, just because they fit doesn't mean they are supposed to be used. But, in my experience, I didn't experience any weird handling and did not have to use spacers. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage rally in Uruguay (Benz Content)
I saw a car like that in Houston a year or so ago, I think it was a Panamericana (?) racer -- was like an old 190, someone found a pic of it. It looked indestructible. --R Mitch Haley wrote: The 2007 race video has an old Benz in it, in fact it's the first car you see. Looks like a 60ish S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J89mu680KIg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Re - OT and long, Ethanol stuff from IBD
Or sugar beets. Aparently back in the '70s there was a big movement to grow sugar beets in Maine. They quit because it was cheaper to grow them in places with bigger fields like Idaho. I did a job once at a tv station in Boisie near a sugar beet processing plant. The station manager told me they replaced all the air filters in the place every month due to the sugar in the air... -Curt Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:13:11 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Re - OT and long, Ethanol stuff from IBD To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Curt wrote they'll grow well on my farm So, pretty soon we'll see Curt driving a new 560SEL with license plates that say Pea Farmer ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Can we list fs items in here?
As the question states. I got some wheels to sell. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices
At what price for gas though? Diesel should start coming down in the next couple months as demand for heating fuel plummets. Gas should start increasing as the summer driving season starts to pick up. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:17:56 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My wife and I figured out that the breaking point pertaining to our 190D is about $3.85 per gallon. At that price it is equally economical to drive our 20 - 22 mpg Honda CRV. Of course this is with the 190 getting 32 on the highway. It has been getting about 34. And now that I have the thermostat changed, I am very excitedly awaiting new mpg data. Brian Tom wrote:That's why I'm driving the Jeep right now. The Jeep gets 21 - 22 MPG on the road while the 300SDL gets 25 MPG on the road. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:17:56 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife and I figured out that the breaking point pertaining to our 190D is about $3.85 per gallon. At that price it is equally economical to drive our 20 - 22 mpg Honda CRV. Of course it also depends upon the price of gasoline, which has gone up here lately while diesel has remained at 3.949. Of course this is with the 190 getting 32 on the highway. It has been getting about 34. And now that I have the thermostat changed, I am very excitedly awaiting new mpg data. Let us know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds
By 81, the Olds diesel was a good engine. And I understand why your friend kept 2 pumps around. The engine uses a rotary pump. The pump will go 100,000's of miles on the highway but 50,000 city miles will wear out. I owned a 81 Pontiac Bonneville with the Olds diesel. It was one of the best cars I've owned to date. I killed the engine at 150,000 miles. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds Curt wrote: http://nh.craigslist.org/car/597945983.html - Snook's new ride? That is a nice 98. I think the seller is wrong about the transmission. One of the technicians at the Olds dealership I worked at had two of these. He kept two spare injection pumps around. He swore that they had no head gasket/head problems if you changed the coolant often and replaced the intake gasket every 30,000 miles. I did have a 1981 Olds 98. It was stolen in Atlanta and the police found it a few days later. They broke the steering column and started the car with a spoon (they left the spoon in the car and the cop showed me how it worked). I was in college and didn't have the money to fix the column, so I started it with a spoon for almost three years - until I ran into a fire hydrant and totaled the car. P.S. you know how fire hydrants always break off in movies or TV? Well, I can tell you they do not break off in real life. They have a big ole steel support pipe that can easily take out a 1981 Oldsmobile 98. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
Serious? We need to talk then. On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:52:38 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have something like that Luther wrote: A wrecked/blown engine '90-91 560SEL with a good grey interior. Luther On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:30:36 -0600, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds
the ex wife drove over a fire hydrant in a 190E. in retrospect, i can't remember whether she tore the hydrant clear off or just knocked it down On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt wrote: http://nh.craigslist.org/car/597945983.html - Snook's new ride? That is a nice 98. I think the seller is wrong about the transmission. One of the technicians at the Olds dealership I worked at had two of these. He kept two spare injection pumps around. He swore that they had no head gasket/head problems if you changed the coolant often and replaced the intake gasket every 30,000 miles. I did have a 1981 Olds 98. It was stolen in Atlanta and the police found it a few days later. They broke the steering column and started the car with a spoon (they left the spoon in the car and the cop showed me how it worked). I was in college and didn't have the money to fix the column, so I started it with a spoon for almost three years - until I ran into a fire hydrant and totaled the car. P.S. you know how fire hydrants always break off in movies or TV? Well, I can tell you they do not break off in real life. They have a big ole steel support pipe that can easily take out a 1981 Oldsmobile 98. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can we list fs items in here?
Why not? Kaleb does. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Can we list fs items in here? As the question states. I got some wheels to sell. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 Luther On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:29:50 -0600, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you are running a VNT/VGT turbo, then an auto is just lost power :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAve it your way. Ever notice that all high horsepower drag racing trucks diesel are auto tranny? It's the only way you can shift under power and keep the engine loaded and on Boost. Pete, who's lusting after a dynomax/allision 4X4 -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
SEL at PNP is blue interior. Chris Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Serious? We need to talk then. On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:52:38 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have something like that Luther wrote: A wrecked/blown engine '90-91 560SEL with a good grey interior. Luther On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:30:36 -0600, Christopher McCann wrote: -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 370K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Luther wrote: I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 That 400HP OM603 uses a GT37 turbo off of the 6.0L Powerstroke. I think there was ~400lb/ft of torque, and that was the limiting factor of the engine. If they went much higher than that they would break the crankshaft (from anecdotal evidence by other Finns). There are some 500HP plus OM603s over there, using Holset HX40s (and larger I think). Those are track cars though! If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on my wagon. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
Christopher McCann wrote: Also, the thing probably won't even be LSD since they tend, seemingly, to need rebuilt every 50K mi to 100K mi. That would be the next step. My 2.3-16v totally failed the drive test. One wheel on grass, one on gravel, didn't even scuff the gravel. 213,000 miles, no idea if it's got the original clutches. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
Mitch Haley wrote: My 2.3-16v totally failed the drive test. One wheel on grass, one on gravel, didn't even scuff the gravel. 213,000 miles, no idea if it's got the original clutches. Does it really cost $1k to rebuild? I think Dave M. said the parts were $100, but there was some stupid expensive tool you needed. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
I read the entire thread that you gave me the link to yesterday and that is exactly the conclusion I came to. Also, the thing probably won't even be LSD since they tend, seemingly, to need rebuilt every 50K mi to 100K mi. That would be the next step. Chris Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Thought about that. There is a nice 560SEL at PNP right now.. Find out what the ratio is. Worst case, swap subframe/diff/control arms/hubs/ speedometer and live with the new final drive ratio. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 370K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
On 14/03/2008, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're supposed to suspend disbelief when watching movies --- (I know, it's harder every year). It's supposed to be the other way around. The movie is supposed to be good enough to make us suspend our disbelief. Most of the new stuff is rubbishmade for 13-17 year olds with disposable cash and little experience of life. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
Might not even have the original differential. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange! Christopher McCann wrote: Also, the thing probably won't even be LSD since they tend, seemingly, to need rebuilt every 50K mi to 100K mi. That would be the next step. My 2.3-16v totally failed the drive test. One wheel on grass, one on gravel, didn't even scuff the gravel. 213,000 miles, no idea if it's got the original clutches. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
I replaced the glued tow-hook cover, it looks good. I then pulled out the shifter surround and refreshed my memory, there are two Becker plugs for the rear speakers I'd put in there to be disconnected when the JVC is in place. So I did that. Since I was there I popped the bottom off of the flasher switch, which was gross inside. I wire-brushed the contacts and put a little grease on them before reassembly, then it worked well. That took only about ten minutes. I got out some modeling clay and made a little dam around the worst rust spot on the hood and filled it with water and put in a pinch of washing soda. I pressed a loop of wire into the clay so that it was underwater and hooked the battery charger to it and the grille. (Positive to the sacrificial wire) The rust just boiled off of there, in the half hour I spent on the above items the rust was gone, reduced to blackened (a benign form of iron oxide) pitting and shiny metal. I then removed the paraphernalia, dried the area, and put on a little bit of primer to protect the exposed metal. It's a start! There are two other rust patches and a lot of failed clear-coat to address. Somewhere around here I have a can of paint that should be pretty close in color that I'd like to try. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes Luther wrote: I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 That 400HP OM603 uses a GT37 turbo off of the 6.0L Powerstroke. I think there was ~400lb/ft of torque, and that was the limiting factor of the engine. If they went much higher than that they would break the crankshaft (from anecdotal evidence by other Finns). There are some 500HP plus OM603s over there, using Holset HX40s (and larger I think). Those are track cars though! If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on my wagon. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
it's always been the case that most films are formula crap made to appeal to enough of the lowest common denominator to make lots of money. and it has always been the case that some good films are made despite this model. go see the good films. skip the dukes of hazard remakes. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, then there is the fact that now they just remake everything. Dukes of Hazzard, Amityville Horrory, The Time Machine, War of the Worlds, I could go on and on, thats just what popped into my head right off the bat. Loren Faeth wrote: Amen Last movie I went to wuz star wars II. Last movie I went to before that wuz Starwars. Even most movies on tv are crap. Only ones I watch regularly are old movies (mostly BW) and Westerns before Hang em high. (ie Clint was young or unborn) Nothing on network tc at all. History channel has been really lame the past few years. When we first got cable in 2001 or so, History had great stuff. TVland or nick at night is about all that i will watch. Some Hallmark I guess. At 12:02 AM 3/14/2008, you wrote: Im sorry, I just had to find out if anybody else feels the same about movies these days as I do? For example, I just watched this latest Die Hard movie, which has whole 10-20 minute scenes that are nothing but computer animation. None of the action is realistic at all. Not like the original Die Hard where everything was believable. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Luther wrote: I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 I've got a low mileage 2005 E320CDI turbo sitting around here somewhere. Dealer idiots replaced it under warranty, but it didn't fix the car. Mauri the Finn tells me it gets very inefficient above 250hp. (came out of a 217hp car). I figure 250hp just gets a 602 into the fabled 100hp/liter territory. Probably would spool up faster than the turbo that came with my 190D, even if I don't modify the pump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Mitch Haley wrote: I've got a low mileage 2005 E320CDI turbo sitting around here somewhere. Dealer idiots replaced it under warranty, but it didn't fix the car. Mauri the Finn tells me it gets very inefficient above 250hp. (came out of a 217hp car). I figure 250hp just gets a 602 into the fabled 100hp/liter territory. Probably would spool up faster than the turbo that came with my 190D, even if I don't modify the pump. How is that one controlled? I imagine it is electrically actuated. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
John Robbins wrote: If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on my wagon. :) I saw a detailed web page on building turbo exhaust manifolds out of iron pipe and elbows. You can buy weldable pipe from places like McMaster Carr, already beveled on the ends for arc welding. I want to try building a plastic intake manifold. Probably use multiple gaskets for insulation from the head, and put fiber washers under the bolt heads. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Mitch Haley wrote: I saw a detailed web page on building turbo exhaust manifolds out of iron pipe and elbows. You can buy weldable pipe from places like McMaster Carr, already beveled on the ends for arc welding. I really don't have the time, desire, equipment, or garage to learn how to weld. Maybe when I'm in my 30's or something, but right now I've got too much other stuff going on and no room to build a garage (stupid neighbor won't sell me the empty lot next to me). I want to try building a plastic intake manifold. Probably use multiple gaskets for insulation from the head, and put fiber washers under the bolt heads. You do realize that IAT temps are equal or higher than the head? Especially if you don't have a good intercooler. People have melted PVC type intercooler plumbing before. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
John Robbins wrote: How is that one controlled? I imagine it is electrically actuated. Yep, it's got a bazillion pin computer interface connector on it. I would so love to have a PIC computer built for it, with a couple of knobs in the cockpit to set max boost in first gear and otherwise. That way I could tune it to not quite break the tires loose in first and second gear, should be quite quick from 0-60 that way. Maybe add a switch to tell it to run the vanes wide open at less than half throttle for normal driving, and be able to flip the switch to tell it to try to keep the turbo spinning for a performance mode. I don't think running 15-20 psi on the freeway would make for maximum MPG. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
For me, the answer would be to swap cars for one with the turbo. My 76 300D isn't likely to be improved by my messing about with it. There used to be kits to put a turbo on the non turbo diesels but I think Marshall frowned on the idea. I also think it would hardly be worth my effort when there are lots of factory turbo diesels out there to be had. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? IIRC, on the old MBZ.org lists there was a diesel list for the purists and a diesel tech list moderated by Jamie Kopchinski (sp?) that was dedicated to increasing the output and performance of the beloved MB diesel. A paraphrased quote from Jabba the Hurst. Most MB purists believe that if God would've wanted your Mercedes to come with it, He would've told the engineers at Stuttgart, and they'd have made it that way. As far as diesel hotrodding goes, either you learn to speak Finnish or go over to the forums at BuyMBParts and speak with Dave M. He is THE MAN when it comes to intelligent modifications to diesel Mercedes... Caveats, YMMV My 2¢ Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
John Robbins wrote: Does it really cost $1k to rebuild? I think Dave M. said the parts were $100, but there was some stupid expensive tool you needed. I think he later said that the parts were about double what he originally thought. And that would have been when the euro was still $1-1.20. I'd budget $300 plus labor. Too bad Quaife doesn't make a drop-in for the 190E like they do for the M3. I wonder how hard it is to put a BMW diff in a MBZ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Tom Hargrave wrote: It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. That 400HP car is a daily driver. Typically, there aren't many places in a daily commute that you can use 400HP ;) Maintaining speed on the highway uses the same amount of HP regardless, and if you keep your EGTs under 1200F there does not appear to be any additional wear on the engine. The 3/4 and 1 ton trucks have done this for over a decade... and they TOW with the increased HP. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
That is brilliant. I have a few rust spots on the wifes wagon and will use this method. It should be noted that removing the battery cables is probably a good idea here :) -Rolf Jim Cathey wrote: I replaced the glued tow-hook cover, it looks good. I then pulled out the shifter surround and refreshed my memory, there are two Becker plugs for the rear speakers I'd put in there to be disconnected when the JVC is in place. So I did that. Since I was there I popped the bottom off of the flasher switch, which was gross inside. I wire-brushed the contacts and put a little grease on them before reassembly, then it worked well. That took only about ten minutes. I got out some modeling clay and made a little dam around the worst rust spot on the hood and filled it with water and put in a pinch of washing soda. I pressed a loop of wire into the clay so that it was underwater and hooked the battery charger to it and the grille. (Positive to the sacrificial wire) The rust just boiled off of there, in the half hour I spent on the above items the rust was gone, reduced to blackened (a benign form of iron oxide) pitting and shiny metal. I then removed the paraphernalia, dried the area, and put on a little bit of primer to protect the exposed metal. It's a start! There are two other rust patches and a lot of failed clear-coat to address. Somewhere around here I have a can of paint that should be pretty close in color that I'd like to try. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
That 400hp car is the guys daily driver :) They limit it to 400NM iirc as 600NM as that is about the stress level of crank/rods. -Rolf Tom Hargrave wrote: It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes Luther wrote: I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603 That 400HP OM603 uses a GT37 turbo off of the 6.0L Powerstroke. I think there was ~400lb/ft of torque, and that was the limiting factor of the engine. If they went much higher than that they would break the crankshaft (from anecdotal evidence by other Finns). There are some 500HP plus OM603s over there, using Holset HX40s (and larger I think). Those are track cars though! If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on my wagon. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
A good friend chipped up his PowerStroke (7.3L) to add about 150hp.
At about 50Kmi, while going to get groceries, his wife put a rod threw the pan.
The $9,000 mistake she made {Panic, kids with her, on main drag of town, 14
qts of oil on the ground, Fire Dept not happy} was to have it towed to the Ford
garage.
All drive trail warantee was voided when the found evidence of chip.
Want to play? You must be prepared to Pay.
Pete
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From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom Hargrave wrote:
It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult
to
make massive HP for an hour run.
That 400HP car is a daily driver. Typically, there aren't many places
in a daily commute that you can use 400HP ;)
Maintaining speed on the highway uses the same amount of HP regardless,
and if you keep your EGTs under 1200F there does not appear to be any
additional wear on the engine. The 3/4 and 1 ton trucks have done this
for over a decade... and they TOW with the increased HP.
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Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Want to sell that turbo? Once of the ongoing threads at STD is VNT control with analog inputs. With the 85 and later diesels you get a rack, rpm, boost and pedal position from analog devices. I've looked into actuators, voice coils are the way to go, lots of power and completely linear. http://superturbodiesel.com/std/viewtopic.php?f=9t=31 I had also looked at the CC servo unit but I do not believe it can put out enough power OR act fast enough but it would make for a nice OEM looking solution. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: John Robbins wrote: How is that one controlled? I imagine it is electrically actuated. Yep, it's got a bazillion pin computer interface connector on it. I would so love to have a PIC computer built for it, with a couple of knobs in the cockpit to set max boost in first gear and otherwise. That way I could tune it to not quite break the tires loose in first and second gear, should be quite quick from 0-60 that way. Maybe add a switch to tell it to run the vanes wide open at less than half throttle for normal driving, and be able to flip the switch to tell it to try to keep the turbo spinning for a performance mode. I don't think running 15-20 psi on the freeway would make for maximum MPG. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Re - OT and long, Ethanol stuff from IBD
I've looked into sugar beets. They potentially make a very high yield of ethanol per acre of crop. But beets only store for a few months. So economically, they are difficult because beets would require a high capital investment. Beets require either an ethanol plant 6X the size of a comparable grain plant or a sugar mill and tank farm to produce and store syrup for year around operation of a smaller ethanol plant. A big advantage of grain feedstocks is their ability to survive years of storage. Though I don't know as much about cane, I suspect it has the same storge problems as beets. And cane is obviously very climate dependent. I once saw a world map of crops. All cane is grown within a certain distance from the equator. Maybe it can be grown in other climates, but probably not very effectively. For the last 15 to 20 years, fuel ethanol is no longer dehydrated by azeotropic distillation using benzene or hexane (or whatever). Ethanol is now dehydrated by molecular sieves that use a lot less energy and are a lot less toxic and dangerous. Modern plants are also much more thermally efficient. Ethanol plants from 20 to 30 years ago required maybe 80 lbs of steam to distill a gallon of product. That number is now down in 20's. So it now takes maybe 20k BTU's of steam to distill 80k BTU's of ethanol (order of magnitude only YMMV). Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Rolf wrote: I had also looked at the CC servo unit but I do not believe it can put out enough power OR act fast enough but it would make for a nice OEM looking solution. The cruise control actuator is STRONG. The only problem is that you need to maintain tension on it (in the same matter as the IP would) or the feedback gets pretty bouncy. We used it to control a HMMWV... worked great. I also think it would be fast enough. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
R A Bennell wrote: For me, the answer would be to swap cars for one with the turbo. My 76 300D isn't likely to be improved by my messing about with it. There used to be kits to put a turbo on the non turbo diesels but I think Marshall frowned on the idea. I also think it would hardly be worth my effort when there are lots of factory turbo diesels out there to be had. The turbo engines received many internal upgrades that the non-turbos didn't get. Oil squirters to cool off the pistons and sodium filled valves are two that come to mind. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's always been the case that most films are formula crap made to appeal to enough of the lowest common denominator to make lots of money. and it has always been the case that some good films are made despite this model. That's all true. I think when people say that movies used to be better, either their memory is colored by nostalgia, or they're misled by the skewed sample of old movies that get shown on TV or are available on video---i.e., only the good ones. A lot of crummy old movies you just don't see anymore, because, well, they were crummy. Sturgeon's Law is a constant. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
John Robbins wrote: The cruise control actuator is STRONG. If you use a CDI Benz turbo, you already have the perfect actuator. I just don't know how to drive it. No pinout diagram, and I'd probably be in over my head trying to program a PIC to run it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad Quaife doesn't make a drop-in for the 190E like they do for the M3. I wonder how hard it is to put a BMW diff in a MBZ? Like I said before, I could swear I remember Dave posting a link to a Japanese site that sold very reasonably priced drop in LSDs of some kind (Quaife? Torsen?)for the 124. Has anyone actually asked him? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good friend chipped up his PowerStroke (7.3L) to add about 150hp. At about 50Kmi, while going to get groceries, his wife put a rod threw the pan. There was one brand of chip that went way too far on timing advance and did that, much sooner if you combined the chip with propane. There was a legendary thread on forddiesel.com (now thedieselstop.com) where some kid got a new truck, that chip, propane, and was bragging about doing idiot driving stunts with it. Within a month, the my totally stock brand new truck threw a rod and the dealer's blaming me thread came up with him as the original poster. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Like I said before, I could swear I remember Dave posting a link to a Japanese site that sold very reasonably priced drop in LSDs of some kind (Quaife? Torsen?)for the 124. Has anyone actually asked him? http://500e.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3959 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
that's exactly what biases it. the bad movies do not survive. the good ones are shown over and over and studied and commented on. it is easy to watch citizen kane and learn more about it's greatness every time we hear peter bogdanovich say i remember one time when orson was living in my basement, he told me that when filming citizen kane ... years ago i grew tired of the kid's crap movies and television, so i introduced my daughter to fantasia. it was pure quality and blew her little mind. 7 years later, she still watches, albeit not quite as much as digimon and pokemon vs godzilla and sailor moon. at the end of hte day, it is all our fault that we get crap instead of quality. outside of maybe some political propaganda over the years, i'd think that the hollywood studios are essentially neutral as to what they produce. if anything, they seem overly willing to produce quality. remember, citizen kane and fantasia were huge losers at the box office when first released. from an economic perspective, it is those films that make no sense as the people want more smokey and the bandit II. as a famous rock n roller once explained, the public gets what the public wants and the public wants what the public gets. who is to blame for that? On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's always been the case that most films are formula crap made to appeal to enough of the lowest common denominator to make lots of money. and it has always been the case that some good films are made despite this model. That's all true. I think when people say that movies used to be better, either their memory is colored by nostalgia, or they're misled by the skewed sample of old movies that get shown on TV or are available on video---i.e., only the good ones. A lot of crummy old movies you just don't see anymore, because, well, they were crummy. Sturgeon's Law is a constant. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Rolf wrote: That is brilliant. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/index.html I highly recommend the Chicken Wagon Frankenheap sagas. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Like I said before, I could swear I remember Dave posting a link to a Japanese site that sold very reasonably priced drop in LSDs of some kind (Quaife? Torsen?)for the 124. Has anyone actually asked him? http://500e.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3959 Good job, Mitch. That's what I was remembering. I just sent a message to the UK email address in the ad... will post the reply. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange!
Makes since to me that they did not respond, particularly if it’s a business - it's 6 PM in the UK right now. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] limited slip in 560SEL into 300SD/Won't interchange! On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Like I said before, I could swear I remember Dave posting a link to a Japanese site that sold very reasonably priced drop in LSDs of some kind (Quaife? Torsen?)for the 124. Has anyone actually asked him? http://500e.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3959 Good job, Mitch. That's what I was remembering. I just sent a message to the UK email address in the ad... will post the reply. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is that the server unit was a spinning motor with an magnetic clutch? -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: I had also looked at the CC servo unit but I do not believe it can put out enough power OR act fast enough but it would make for a nice OEM looking solution. The cruise control actuator is STRONG. The only problem is that you need to maintain tension on it (in the same matter as the IP would) or the feedback gets pretty bouncy. We used it to control a HMMWV... worked great. I also think it would be fast enough. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Rolf wrote: You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is that the server unit was a spinning motor with an magnetic clutch? It was a project for work... The clutch engages/disengages the motor, and it is a standard brushed DC motor. Basically, you engage the clutch, and run the motor till you get to where you want. You would need a full H-Bridge circuit to drive the motor so you can go forward/reverse. If the clutch is disengaged the arm returns to zero. There is some pretty hefty gearing for the motor. With the standard length arm, I could not get the arm to move by hand (this was with our controller actively maintaining position). There is a POT for feedback of where the arm is. You can get the pinouts and a basic schematic for the controller by looking in the MB FSM. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
leslie nielson used to do the thing where he shot some guy with an assault rifle off a tower at 150 yards from the hip with his snub nose .38. really summed up the nonsense of all the shootouts you saw on tv and in films On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kaleb, Couldn't agree more! Everytime I see someone outrun an explosive blast I laugh out loud. *Someone* who is directing those scenes has not concept of how a explosion really acts. The shock forces move at a rate measured in thousands of feet per *second* - yet we see people run down hallways, jump over barriers and down into holes as they seek to escape the on-rushing shock of explosive gases and flames! Then there's things like people hiding behind sheetrock walls and car doors as protection from gun fire always get me laughing. LOL It's up there with TV Wrestling - and although all the martial experts are often fun to watch, there's little attachment to reality there either. There's a program on Discoverychannel called Myth Busters that take on all kinds of beliefs that are sometimes commonly accepted even though they have zero chance of working. Sometimes they work, often not. Things like a guy falling from a high building and grabbing a 4x8 sheet of plywood then using it to fly down to safety. Couldn't be reproduced so they concluded it was a myth. Hopefuly they'll look at someof the ridiculous things the movies try to put over on us. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days Im sorry, I just had to find out if anybody else feels the same about movies these days as I do? For example, I just watched this latest Die Hard movie, which has whole 10-20 minute scenes that are nothing but computer animation. None of the action is realistic at all. Not like the original Die Hard where everything was believable. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
Hi Kaleb, Couldn't agree more! Everytime I see someone outrun an explosive blast I laugh out loud. *Someone* who is directing those scenes has not concept of how a explosion really acts. The shock forces move at a rate measured in thousands of feet per *second* - yet we see people run down hallways, jump over barriers and down into holes as they seek to escape the on-rushing shock of explosive gases and flames! Then there's things like people hiding behind sheetrock walls and car doors as protection from gun fire always get me laughing. LOL It's up there with TV Wrestling - and although all the martial experts are often fun to watch, there's little attachment to reality there either. There's a program on Discoverychannel called Myth Busters that take on all kinds of beliefs that are sometimes commonly accepted even though they have zero chance of working. Sometimes they work, often not. Things like a guy falling from a high building and grabbing a 4x8 sheet of plywood then using it to fly down to safety. Couldn't be reproduced so they concluded it was a myth. Hopefuly they'll look at someof the ridiculous things the movies try to put over on us. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days Im sorry, I just had to find out if anybody else feels the same about movies these days as I do? For example, I just watched this latest Die Hard movie, which has whole 10-20 minute scenes that are nothing but computer animation. None of the action is realistic at all. Not like the original Die Hard where everything was believable. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
I've done that. --R Gary Hurst wrote: leslie nielson used to do the thing where he shot some guy with an assault rifle off a tower at 150 yards from the hip with his snub nose .38. really summed up the nonsense of all the shootouts you saw on tv and in films ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices
We may need to recalculate, but I was thinking it was an interval of some $.40 or so between gas and diesel when we figured it. Brian On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:17:56 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife and I figured out that the breaking point pertaining to our 190D is about $3.85 per gallon. At that price it is equally economical to drive our 20 - 22 mpg Honda CRV. Of course it also depends upon the price of gasoline, which has gone up here lately while diesel has remained at 3.949. Of course this is with the 190 getting 32 on the highway. It has been getting about 34. And now that I have the thermostat changed, I am very excitedly awaiting new mpg data. Let us know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds
Buy it up, I'll drive it out to you. Any guesses on the fuel economy? I speculate something like a 116 SD, mid 20s... -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:16:25 -0500 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt wrote: http://nh.craigslist.org/car/597945983.html - Snook's new ride? That is a nice 98. I think the seller is wrong about the transmission. One of the technicians at the Olds dealership I worked at had two of these. He kept two spare injection pumps around. He swore that they had no head gasket/head problems if you changed the coolant often and replaced the intake gasket every 30,000 miles. I did have a 1981 Olds 98. It was stolen in Atlanta and the police found it a few days later. They broke the steering column and started the car with a spoon (they left the spoon in the car and the cop showed me how it worked). I was in college and didn't have the money to fix the column, so I started it with a spoon for almost three years - until I ran into a fire hydrant and totaled the car. P.S. you know how fire hydrants always break off in movies or TV? Well, I can tell you they do not break off in real life. They have a big ole steel support pipe that can easily take out a 1981 Oldsmobile 98. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
HOLD ON JUST A SECOND there perfessor... Did you just do what I think you did? I'd love to see a picture of this. I've got a couple spots that have rusted through the paint and the thought of sanding down to bare metal just makes me sad. Building a little sconce out of modeling clay and electroblasting it sounds perfect. I've already done a little of the electroblasting with a lawnmower wheel last fall but in that case I think my sacrificial plate was too small, it worked but not as well as I'd hoped for... -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:05:35 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D status To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I replaced the glued tow-hook cover, it looks good. I then pulled out the shifter surround and refreshed my memory, there are two Becker plugs for the rear speakers I'd put in there to be disconnected when the JVC is in place. So I did that. Since I was there I popped the bottom off of the flasher switch, which was gross inside. I wire-brushed the contacts and put a little grease on them before reassembly, then it worked well. That took only about ten minutes. I got out some modeling clay and made a little dam around the worst rust spot on the hood and filled it with water and put in a pinch of washing soda. I pressed a loop of wire into the clay so that it was underwater and hooked the battery charger to it and the grille. (Positive to the sacrificial wire) The rust just boiled off of there, in the half hour I spent on the above items the rust was gone, reduced to blackened (a benign form of iron oxide) pitting and shiny metal. I then removed the paraphernalia, dried the area, and put on a little bit of primer to protect the exposed metal. It's a start! There are two other rust patches and a lot of failed clear-coat to address. Somewhere around here I have a can of paint that should be pretty close in color that I'd like to try. -- Jim - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Rolf wrote: Ya that is what I had been looking at. According to Lance, the amount of pressure that is needed is more or less equal to that of the max boost setting. How fast were you able to get it to react? Depending on how big the wastegate is (pressure x area kinda thing), I don't think it would have any problem. It was very fast. *Maybe* a 1/4 second to go from 0-100%. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds
Why is that? Just curious, I've been thinking it'd be cool to put a 350 diesel into an S truck but that would probably see quite a few highway miles. Is it because of lower speed running or stopping and starting? -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:13:03 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 By 81, the Olds diesel was a good engine. And I understand why your friend kept 2 pumps around. The engine uses a rotary pump. The pump will go 100,000's of miles on the highway but 50,000 city miles will wear out. I owned a 81 Pontiac Bonneville with the Olds diesel. It was one of the best cars I've owned to date. I killed the engine at 150,000 miles. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Ya that is what I had been looking at. According to Lance, the amount of pressure that is needed is more or less equal to that of the max boost setting. How fast were you able to get it to react? -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is that the server unit was a spinning motor with an magnetic clutch? It was a project for work... The clutch engages/disengages the motor, and it is a standard brushed DC motor. Basically, you engage the clutch, and run the motor till you get to where you want. You would need a full H-Bridge circuit to drive the motor so you can go forward/reverse. If the clutch is disengaged the arm returns to zero. There is some pretty hefty gearing for the motor. With the standard length arm, I could not get the arm to move by hand (this was with our controller actively maintaining position). There is a POT for feedback of where the arm is. You can get the pinouts and a basic schematic for the controller by looking in the MB FSM. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds
Curt Raymond wrote: Is it because of lower speed running or stopping and starting? I think Roosa Master pumps just suck, and it's probably a matter of engine hours. Fewer minutes/revs per mile in top gear. The good news is they used to be half the cost to rebuild of Bosch. Don't know if that still applies now that the GM diesels are obsolete. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] It's Pi Time on Pi Day
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Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times. I think I will take a crack at using the CC motor again. It is just to conveniently placed and looks awfully OEM. -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: Ya that is what I had been looking at. According to Lance, the amount of pressure that is needed is more or less equal to that of the max boost setting. How fast were you able to get it to react? Depending on how big the wastegate is (pressure x area kinda thing), I don't think it would have any problem. It was very fast. *Maybe* a 1/4 second to go from 0-100%. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Rolf wrote: The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times. I have confidence that the CC actuator can react just as fast as a normal wastegate actuator. Where are you going to get a voice coil actuator? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
They have, at least once, maybe twice. Remember also that Jamie and Adam are two of the guys behind alot of those crazy movie effects so they know what it takes to achive them. I ran into Adam (almost literally) once in a restaurant in San Francisco. He was with his kids so I didn't disturb him... -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:41:40 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi Kaleb, Couldn't agree more! Everytime I see someone outrun an explosive blast I laugh out loud. *Someone* who is directing those scenes has not concept of how a explosion really acts. The shock forces move at a rate measured in thousands of feet per *second* - yet we see people run down hallways, jump over barriers and down into holes as they seek to escape the on-rushing shock of explosive gases and flames! Then there's things like people hiding behind sheetrock walls and car doors as protection from gun fire always get me laughing. LOL It's up there with TV Wrestling - and although all the martial experts are often fun to watch, there's little attachment to reality there either. There's a program on Discoverychannel called Myth Busters that take on all kinds of beliefs that are sometimes commonly accepted even though they have zero chance of working. Sometimes they work, often not. Things like a guy falling from a high building and grabbing a 4x8 sheet of plywood then using it to fly down to safety. Couldn't be reproduced so they concluded it was a myth. Hopefuly they'll look at someof the ridiculous things the movies try to put over on us. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's Pi Time on Pi Day
Sounds to me that Pi r squared! At 03:16 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Make one if I have to. Linear drivers are about the easiest thing in the world to make. I did look online at a variety of them though. -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times. I have confidence that the CC actuator can react just as fast as a normal wastegate actuator. Where are you going to get a voice coil actuator? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's Pi Time on Pi Day
Loren, is that some sort of circular arguement? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's Pi Time on Pi Day Sounds to me that Pi r squared! At 03:16 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's Pi Time on Pi Day
you wrote me that Pi r squared No, no, no pi are round, cornbread are square --- ;-) dang city folk - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's Pi Time on Pi Day Sounds to me that Pi r squared! At 03:16 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
There are companies that coat pistons with ceramic that will help resist melting. Luther On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:44:01 -0600, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times. I think I will take a crack at using the CC motor again. It is just to conveniently placed and looks awfully OEM. -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Did you just do what I think you did? I'd love to see a picture of this. Didn't take one, unfortunately. The positive wire has to 'see' the rust, so it can't do anything about under-paint bubbling. This was a big patch out in the open where I think there was an in-storage drip onto it over a long period. Paint is cracked around the rusty patch. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices
It's $0.65 here now --- seems like you have to re-figure it every week now. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may need to recalculate, but I was thinking it was an interval of some $.40 or so between gas and diesel when we figured it. Brian -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices
$0.55 to $0.75 around here depending on how hard you look. Looks like the big block dually is going to be replacing the diesels for a while, it's getting close to breakover point. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 08:07:11PM -0500, OK Don wrote: It's $0.65 here now --- seems like you have to re-figure it every week now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Or for 300k miles - On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
OK Don wrote: Or for 300k miles - Finn superturbos are said to last just as long as stockers, unless of course they blow up. The more extreme cases (like Sammuli's 333hp OM602) are disassembled, blueprinted, and ceramic insulated. Most of these guys make very sparing use of the extreme horsepower, and get rather shocking mpg in normal driving, frequently claiming 35-40 mpg for auto tranny W124s with six cylinder engines. Mauri H. is building one for sale right now, OM606, ceramic coated pistons and head, special connecting rods, high strength bolts in the crank bearing caps, etc. He's asking about $11k for it. If I had the foresight to buy that enginless AMG Hammer that Alain was trying to give away a couple of years ago, I'd be tempted to buy Mauri's engine. I'd rather have $15k tied up in a 500hp diesel Hammer than a run of the mill 500E. (or worse yet, a brand new Ford Focus or Nissan Versa) http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/mercedes_300e_amg_hammer_w124.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Fairly small pocket of liquid I imagine? I think I'm going to have to give this a shot. I'll scrape the paint off the area first. Sounds like it didn't take long, was this somewhere the clay could rest or did it have to stick on? I'm thinking to build a cup of some sort to hold it up there. I'm very excited about this idea... -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:54:31 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D status To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Did you just do what I think you did? I'd love to see a picture of this. Didn't take one, unfortunately. The positive wire has to 'see' the rust, so it can't do anything about under-paint bubbling. This was a big patch out in the open where I think there was an in-storage drip onto it over a long period. Paint is cracked around the rusty patch. -- Jim - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
That does sound sweet! Might have to try a project like that when I retire --- unless I start flying again. Or for 300k miles - Finn superturbos are said to last just as long as stockers, unless of course they blow up. The more extreme cases (like Sammuli's 333hp OM602) are disassembled, blueprinted, and ceramic insulated. Most of these guys make very sparing use of the extreme horsepower, and get rather shocking mpg in normal driving, frequently claiming 35-40 mpg for auto tranny W124s with six cylinder engines. Mauri H. is building one for sale right now, OM606, ceramic coated pistons and head, special connecting rods, high strength bolts in the crank bearing caps, etc. He's asking about $11k for it. If I had the foresight to buy that enginless AMG Hammer that Alain was trying to give away a couple of years ago, I'd be tempted to buy Mauri's engine. I'd rather have $15k tied up in a 500hp diesel Hammer than a run of the mill 500E. (or worse yet, a brand new Ford Focus or Nissan Versa) http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/mercedes_300e_amg_hammer_w124.html -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds
It's because the pumps are all aluminum and they wear very fast when cold. Once they reach operating temperature, they wear very slow. Also, the pump has one piston in the center a distribution plate they aligns with each output port in turn. This means that the one little piston is working 8X harder than the inline pumps used on Mercedes diesels. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/14/08 3:47 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds Why is that? Just curious, I've been thinking it'd be cool to put a 350 diesel into an S truck but that would probably see quite a few highway miles. Is it because of lower speed running or stopping and starting? -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:13:03 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 By 81, the Olds diesel was a good engine. And I understand why your friend kept 2 pumps around. The engine uses a rotary pump. The pump will go 100,000's of miles on the highway but 50,000 city miles will wear out. I owned a 81 Pontiac Bonneville with the Olds diesel. It was one of the best cars I've owned to date. I killed the engine at 150,000 miles. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
How do you disturb the disturbed? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/14/08 4:51 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days They have, at least once, maybe twice. Remember also that Jamie and Adam are two of the guys behind alot of those crazy movie effects so they know what it takes to achive them. I ran into Adam (almost literally) once in a restaurant in San Francisco. He was with his kids so I didn't disturb him... -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:41:40 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi Kaleb, Couldn't agree more! Everytime I see someone outrun an explosive blast I laugh out loud. *Someone* who is directing those scenes has not concept of how a explosion really acts. The shock forces move at a rate measured in thousands of feet per *second* - yet we see people run down hallways, jump over barriers and down into holes as they seek to escape the on-rushing shock of explosive gases and flames! Then there's things like people hiding behind sheetrock walls and car doors as protection from gun fire always get me laughing. LOL It's up there with TV Wrestling - and although all the martial experts are often fun to watch, there's little attachment to reality there either. There's a program on Discoverychannel called Myth Busters that take on all kinds of beliefs that are sometimes commonly accepted even though they have zero chance of working. Sometimes they work, often not. Things like a guy falling from a high building and grabbing a 4x8 sheet of plywood then using it to fly down to safety. Couldn't be reproduced so they concluded it was a myth. Hopefuly they'll look at someof the ridiculous things the movies try to put over on us. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days
Explosive blast a flame front are two different things. Given enough lead, you can out run a flame front because it lags quite a bit behind the blast. Being a Martial Artist, I'd state that Martial Arts are based on physics and are real. But the stuff shown on TV is all BS. In a real confrontation, there is no sparring back forth like in the Texas Rangers show. It's one well placed hit, he's out the job's done, period. The real stuff doesn't sell air time. Compitition Martial Arts are all light blows designed to score points based on technique. They look like they are hitting hard but they hit so soft that there is no pain. Extreme Martial Arts are real with real blows but some techniques are not allowed. That's why you see no direct, center blows to the opponent. If thy were allowed then then competitors would die from the sport every week. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/14/08 2:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days Hi Kaleb, Couldn't agree more! Everytime I see someone outrun an explosive blast I laugh out loud. *Someone* who is directing those scenes has not concept of how a explosion really acts. The shock forces move at a rate measured in thousands of feet per *second* - yet we see people run down hallways, jump over barriers and down into holes as they seek to escape the on-rushing shock of explosive gases and flames! Then there's things like people hiding behind sheetrock walls and car doors as protection from gun fire always get me laughing. LOL It's up there with TV Wrestling - and although all the martial experts are often fun to watch, there's little attachment to reality there either. There's a program on Discoverychannel called Myth Busters that take on all kinds of beliefs that are sometimes commonly accepted even though they have zero chance of working. Sometimes they work, often not. Things like a guy falling from a high building and grabbing a 4x8 sheet of plywood then using it to fly down to safety. Couldn't be reproduced so they concluded it was a myth. Hopefuly they'll look at someof the ridiculous things the movies try to put over on us. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT, movies are unrealistic these days Im sorry, I just had to find out if anybody else feels the same about movies these days as I do? For example, I just watched this latest Die Hard movie, which has whole 10-20 minute scenes that are nothing but computer animation. None of the action is realistic at all. Not like the original Die Hard where everything was believable. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds
My Pontiac diesel got 17 MPG in town 21 MPG on the highway. You have to compare like vehicles - the same car with a 350 got 14 MPG in town 17 MPG on the highway. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/14/08 3:40 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds Buy it up, I'll drive it out to you. Any guesses on the fuel economy? I speculate something like a 116 SD, mid 20s... -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:16:25 -0500 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Olds diesels was Re: Craigs list finds To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt wrote: http://nh.craigslist.org/car/597945983.html - Snook's new ride? That is a nice 98. I think the seller is wrong about the transmission. One of the technicians at the Olds dealership I worked at had two of these. He kept two spare injection pumps around. He swore that they had no head gasket/head problems if you changed the coolant often and replaced the intake gasket every 30,000 miles. I did have a 1981 Olds 98. It was stolen in Atlanta and the police found it a few days later. They broke the steering column and started the car with a spoon (they left the spoon in the car and the cop showed me how it worked). I was in college and didn't have the money to fix the column, so I started it with a spoon for almost three years - until I ran into a fire hydrant and totaled the car. P.S. you know how fire hydrants always break off in movies or TV? Well, I can tell you they do not break off in real life. They have a big ole steel support pipe that can easily take out a 1981 Oldsmobile 98. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
The turbo diesels were built for turbocharging. The NA diesels were not. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/14/08 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes For me, the answer would be to swap cars for one with the turbo. My 76 300D isn't likely to be improved by my messing about with it. There used to be kits to put a turbo on the non turbo diesels but I think Marshall frowned on the idea. I also think it would hardly be worth my effort when there are lots of factory turbo diesels out there to be had. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes R A Bennell wrote: I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that modification beyond something minimal is heresy. Am I right? I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for more power. Did I miss it, or are you just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort of thing? IIRC, on the old MBZ.org lists there was a diesel list for the purists and a diesel tech list moderated by Jamie Kopchinski (sp?) that was dedicated to increasing the output and performance of the beloved MB diesel. A paraphrased quote from Jabba the Hurst. Most MB purists believe that if God would've wanted your Mercedes to come with it, He would've told the engineers at Stuttgart, and they'd have made it that way. As far as diesel hotrodding goes, either you learn to speak Finnish or go over to the forums at BuyMBParts and speak with Dave M. He is THE MAN when it comes to intelligent modifications to diesel Mercedes... Caveats, YMMV My 2¢ Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:10:41 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may need to recalculate, but I was thinking it was an interval of some $.40 or so between gas and diesel when we figured it. It's not the interval (differential), it's the ratio: mpg gasoline price gasoline -- = mpg diesel price diesel You can solve that an number of different ways. For example, price gasoline mpg gasoline = mpg diesel x price diesel Choosing some arbitrary numbers, assume: mpg diesel = 30 miles/gallon price diesel = $ 3.00 price gasoline = $ 2.00 2.00 So if your gas car gets better than 30 x -- = 20 miles/gallon, 3.00 you're better off driving the gas car. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
I understand but at the same time they uprate the water, oil and transmission cooling systems. In other words, don't bring your turbo boost up to 1.5 BAR and then expect to use that extra power to pull hills without making major changes elsewhere. This leads right back to my original statement.. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/14/08 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes Tom Hargrave wrote: It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to make massive HP for an hour run. That 400HP car is a daily driver. Typically, there aren't many places in a daily commute that you can use 400HP ;) Maintaining speed on the highway uses the same amount of HP regardless, and if you keep your EGTs under 1200F there does not appear to be any additional wear on the engine. The 3/4 and 1 ton trucks have done this for over a decade... and they TOW with the increased HP. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's Pi Time on Pi Day
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:16:09 -0500 Rich Thomas ^ | Unfortunately, you didn't time it too well... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] socialized vs primal dog (soapbox polemic with no mercedes content)
as you have heard, i can take my brown mutt foxxy anywhere. it's now that she's well trained or anything, just that she has become civilized. the white german, on the other hand, is a whole different deal. i got 2 pounds of nice bloody cheap meat from the feed store in loganville tonight. i split it in half for the dog, and put each part in a different part of the back deck. the german runs to one side and starts to devour the meat. foxxy just look at it, sniffs it and then look at me like i'm insane. i try to convince her to eat it, but no luck. so i send the german to eat it and bust out some kibble for the fox. both dogs now eat happily. the german has some serious prey drive, killing everything that comes through the back yard. if we are inside, she wants to kill something too. tonight she brings me an old boot, so i grab the other end of the boot and start making it struggling prey. next thing i know i'm pulled off the chair and she is trying to drag me off. i can't hang on to the boot anymore. she moves it a few feet from me and tears it to shreds in a frenzy. then she lies down calmly next to it and proceeds to nibble. meanwhile, foxxy watches us from about 5 feet, seemingly confused by this madness. everyone loves foxxy and everyone hates hayley the german. i'm urged to give hayley to the pound, even though she has not only never bitten anyone or any pet, but hasn't even growled at anyone. if our kids act like kids, we drug them into oblivion with ritalyn. if our dogs act like dogs, we are expected to send them to the pound. anyone who thinks differently runs the risk of being considered a dangerous anarchist. we are a society that preaches toleration as the ultimate good, yet it is a society that may be more intolerant right now than at any point in our history. so i ask for the thousandth time: what the hell is going on over here and how did we let this come about? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Enjoy this story, Gary
Gary, Has nothing to do with your Q?... But my answer is one small step at time has gotten us to where we are! Get a laugh outta this. I love it! Chuck Top this for a speeding ticket story: Two California Highway Patrol Officers were conducting speeding enforcement on I-15, just north of the Marine Corps Air Station at Miramar. One of the officers was using a hand held radar device to check speeding vehicles coming over the crest of a hill. The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300 miles per hour. The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not reset and then turned off. Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in fact locked on to a USMC F/A-18 Hornet which was engaged in a low flying exercise near the location. Back at the CHP Headquarters the Patrol Captain fired off a complaint to the USMC Base Commander. The reply came back in true USMC style: Thank you for your letter. We can now complete the file on this incident. You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked on to, your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it, which is why it shut down. Furthermore, an Air-to-Ground missile aboard the fully armed aircraft had also automatically locked on to your equipment location. Fortunately, the Marine Pilot flying the Hornet recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile system alert status and was able to override the automated defense system before the missile was launched to destroy the hostile radar position. The pilot also suggests you cover your mouths when cussing at them, since the video systems on these jets are very high tech. Sergeant Johnson, the officer holding the radar gun, should get his dentist to check his left rear molar. It appears the filling is loose. Also, the snap is broken on his holster. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas v diesel prices
Yeah, I love using that math technique. It's one of the very few I know. Has many real life applications. Brian On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:10:41 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may need to recalculate, but I was thinking it was an interval of some $.40 or so between gas and diesel when we figured it. It's not the interval (differential), it's the ratio: mpg gasoline price gasoline -- = mpg diesel price diesel You can solve that an number of different ways. For example, price gasoline mpg gasoline = mpg diesel x price diesel Choosing some arbitrary numbers, assume: mpg diesel = 30 miles/gallon price diesel = $ 3.00 price gasoline = $ 2.00 2.00 So if your gas car gets better than 30 x -- = 20 miles/gallon, 3.00 you're better off driving the gas car. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] timing chain wear
Hi Is there someway to physically check a timing chain for wear. i am replacing it with a new one,yet it looks and feels taut with no play in the roller area. maybe it was replaced not too long ago. mak W186 /300 - Original Message - From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] Can we list fs items in here? As the question states. I got some wheels to sell. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1323 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 11:07 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's Pi Time on Pi Day
I know, by the time it shot out and hit the server 2 min had passed == bummer! --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:16:09 -0500 Rich Thomas ^ | Unfortunately, you didn't time it too well... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
