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Wonko the Sane wrote:

Dubya is a Democratic cheerleader?


Only if the Democrats have turned to Marxism.

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Re: [MBZ] Debate

No ... but he sure would have liked to put a few more on the bench.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
>
> Last time I looked, G.W was not a judge
>
>
> At 07:31 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Oh -- like Dubya hasn't practiced that for almost eight years?
>>
>> If you will abort, your nomination is aborted.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I noticed that too. I thought: Surely he wasnt admitting to promoting
>> > judicial activism! I must have misunderstood.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

Dubya is a Democratic cheerleader?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Yes, that was my impersonation of Dodd, Bama, Pelosi, reed, McLame, and on
> down the (payoff) line.  Then there is the Prez, the cheerleader for this
> huge democrat party boondoggle.  I'm waiting for your bumper snicker.
>
>
>
> At 05:51 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Wow, Loren, you are sounding sort of Dem Party there. Shall I drop off an
>> Obama/ Biden bumper sticker tomorrow?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Fuggetaboudit  You are not a billionaire.  YOU don't need help.
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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

Yes, that was my impersonation of Dodd, Bama, Pelosi, reed, McLame, 
and on down the (payoff) line.  Then there is the Prez, the 
cheerleader for this huge democrat party boondoggle.  I'm waiting for 
your bumper snicker.

At 05:51 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:

Wow, Loren, you are sounding sort of Dem Party there. Shall I drop off an
Obama/ Biden bumper sticker tomorrow?

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> Fuggetaboudit  You are not a billionaire.  YOU don't need help.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

Last time I looked, G.W was not a judge

At 07:31 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:

Oh -- like Dubya hasn't practiced that for almost eight years?

If you will abort, your nomination is aborted.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I noticed that too. I thought: Surely he wasnt admitting to promoting
> judicial activism! I must have misunderstood.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Euan

2008-10-03 Thread Euan


This is dangerous, Rolf. I could bore you cross-eyed on this subject.

The wagon was manufactured with this transmission. The PO (a Brit padre 
with an RAF Tornado squadron in Holland) selected that option at the 
Dutch assembly plant he toured with his options tick-sheet. I bought the 
wagon from him after he emigrated to the Colonies in 1987. It had 29000 
miles on it then.


Because I like to *drive* my cars, I particularly wanted the manual 
transmission and was very lucky indeed to find this one. 300TDs are rare 
here and most are auto trans. It was for these reasons, I suspect, that 
*all* the dealers I spoke to about the asking price said the same thing:


"It's a diesel! For God's sake, man, forget it!"

"It's non-turbo? Are you serious?"

"Manual transmission?!!  It's a dog! Don't touch it."

Well, I did and it ain't.

But it does have a few peculiarities which I suspect you auto-trans 
drivers won't be familiar with (or would tolerate). These may be generic 
to manual trans 300TDs:


First, and most obviously, the engine is sensitive to low revs. Which 
means that revs always have to kept high, especially in gears 3-5. If 
not revving adequately, the transmission gives you instant feedback in 
the form of juddering. I'm told this is something to do with the 
fly-wheel but I'm not qualified to comment on that. This feature of the 
wagon appears to be a design flaw. Although I have learned to adjust 
revs and gear shifting to avoid this feedback, it's the single-most 
disappointing aspect of this otherwise charming wagon.


Second, the harmonic damper on the short driveshaft is twice the mass of 
your auto dampers. So, the rubber spokes work harder and fracture more 
readily. Because the manual trans TDs are relatively few, it's been 
*extremely* difficult to find replacement dampers (MB does not sell them 
without the full driveshaft). If the juddering was bad with the damper 
intact, it's unbearable with no damper at all.


Third, in my wagon, the gearing is exceptionally long-legged. This is a 
car built for cruising the autobahns, not suburbia. So, to stay within 
the 50kph urban speed limits here, it's necessary to jockey up and down 
from 3rd to 4th gear all the time, to keep the dreaded feedback at bay.


Apart from these issues, and the normal aches and pains of late 
adolescence, this wagon is marvellous.


Euan





1985 300TD 5-spd manual
213K mi


Interesting, tell me more. Was this a DIY conversion?  I saw a 300TD
5spd @ the Stuttgart MBZ Museum. It was beautiful.

-Rolf


  


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Re: [MBZ] 84 300DT

2008-10-03 Thread Jim Cathey


how to remove/replace the vents on the dash of the 123 chassis?


One grasps the plastic collar (and hose barb) on the back
side and twists firmly, while holding the front to keep it
from twisting too.  That releases the four snap locks
that detented into it, then it just pulls off the back,
letting the body come out the front.  There is a wavy spring
washer in there too.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Debate

Oh -- like Dubya hasn't practiced that for almost eight years?

If you will abort, your nomination is aborted.

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> I noticed that too. I thought: Surely he wasnt admitting to promoting
> judicial activism! I must have misunderstood.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

2008-10-03 Thread Zoltan Finks

I noticed that too. I thought: Surely he wasnt admitting to promoting
judicial activism! I must have misunderstood.

Brian


> Mitch wrote:

What struck me was when they asked the candidates to name a time when they
> had to back down from an established political position and switch sides on
> that position. Joe said that in the beginning, he believed that the judicial
> confirmation process was to confirm competent judges with no known criminal
> background or disqualifying character defect. As time went on, he realized
> that his job as a Senator was to make sure that the successful judicial
> candidates shared his political views, and had the willingness to ignore the
> laws of the land and use their positions as federal judges to force that
> political viewpoint on 300 million citizens who never had a chance to vote
> against them. What I thought about Biden when he admitted that is not
> printable.
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Re: [MBZ] Debate


Donald Snook wrote:

>If it weren't you would be rounded up for such criticism and shown what it is 
really like to not have freedom.


You mean like the people who think they can go to a Bush rally with a "stop the 
war" T-shirt on? Or the ones that think they can write "Bush Sucks" on a piece 
of notebook paper and hold it up at an airport as Air Farce One lands?
The Secret Service protection division seems to have been converted to the 
Waffen SS, starting about 2004.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Debate


Rolf wrote:

Patriot Act was the single worst piece of legislation to pass this
decade. Including the current bailout bill.


Maybe. I don't know more than 10% of what's in HR 1424, so the jury's still out 
on that verdict.


The Unpatriotic Acts marked the dawning of the police state in the USSA.
The events of the past month or so show that the fascism is now taking a more 
Soviet and less 3rd Reich direction. It'll be interesting to see what else 
Comrade Bush can nationalize in the next 3 1/2 months.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD


Alex Chamberlain wrote:

In the USA, every boat supply store sells it, but that's small
consolation for those on the list who don't live in coastal states, I
guess.


I failed in marine stores in Michigan, had to get my Bosch injection shop to 
order some for me.


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Re: [MBZ] Debate


andrew strasfogel wrote:

How about a missile launcher?


Too pricey. Can I interest you in a grenade launcher?
http://www.billricca.com/glpg.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

Wow, Loren, you are sounding sort of Dem Party there. Shall I drop off an
Obama/ Biden bumper sticker tomorrow?

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> Fuggetaboudit  You are not a billionaire.  YOU don't need help.
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

Loss of freedom by a people is historically not the result of a catastrophic
act, but rather the byproduct of the *gradual* erosion of liberties.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rolf wrote: "The United States of America is no longer a free country."
>
> The fact that you can make such a stupid statement critical of the
> government proves that you are wrong about this not being a free country.
>  If it weren't you would be rounded up for such criticism and shown what it
> is really like to not have freedom.
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

Who committed treason?

Kevin wrote:
> Why? The high crime of treason is the only crime actually spelled out in the 
> constitution. Why shouldn't we expect, if not demand, that those guilty of
> treason are brought to justice?
>
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:55:43AM -0400, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>   
>> You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum.  Someone might
>> take you seriously and knock on your door...
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

2008-10-03 Thread Peter Frederick

Sounds a lot like a plugged tank screen --as the fuel level gets low,  
all the slop collects in the bottom of the tank.  Driving on the  
highway pulls huge amounts of fuel through the filters, even though  
you aren't using much, so the screen plugs and fuel delivery drops  
way down.  As the lift pump slows, fuel collect in the filters and  
you have normal power.


Time to remove and clean the tank, and replace the screen.

Peter

On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:43 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The last two times I took my 1983 300TD on the highway for some  
high speed
driving, when exiting to local roads the car lost nearly all its  
power as I
slowed down, barely made it up the exit ramp, and crept along at 3  
mph until
I reached a level surface.  Then it took off again like  a  
turbocharged bat

out of hell.
Is it a coincidence that this happened with the fuel gauge at  
1/4?.  The car

had sat for nearly three months while it was getting its drive train
transplant, but never had this problem until I started to take it  
on the
open road.  The main fuel filters are fine but I haven't replaced  
the fuel
tank strainer.  What I don't get is why it has these sluggo attacks  
only

after a trip on the open road.  Stop and go driving is not a problem.
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

Stanadyne Biocide.  It should be available from shops that rebuild 
injection pumps.  My IP guy says almost every pump on his bench was 
killed by algae.


At 04:07 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Euan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Finding a biocide was a bit tricky at the time  -- the fuel companies
> couldn't help (didn't want to admit they might have water in their fuel) --
> but I'm sure the treatments are more readily available now.

In the USA, every boat supply store sells it, but that's small
consolation for those on the list who don't live in coastal states, I
guess.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Debate

2008-10-03 Thread Donald Snook

Rolf wrote: "The United States of America is no longer a free country."

The fact that you can make such a stupid statement critical of the government 
proves that you are wrong about this not being a free country.  If it weren't 
you would be rounded up for such criticism and shown what it is really like to 
not have freedom.


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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

Fuggetaboudit  You are not a billionaire.  YOU don't need help.  You 
need to help out all the poor billionaires who lost some pocket change.


I think it is safe to say that all of us on the list  are 
screwed.  last night the phone lines and the house.gov email servers 
were melting, and it was NOT from people supporting this snake s**t 
posing as a bill.


BTW, my congresscritter voted against it too.  Small consolation


At 04:06 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:


Mine supported it!  That - after I had already written to him twice.!

Yep thats representing the people - Yeah Right!!!

I guess I should ask that a bill gets introduced to purchase a new 
home, office, automobile and bank account for me as well, or was 
this somehow different and I'm missing the point





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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

DON'T forget to replace all pieces of rubber hose between the tank 
and the main fuel filter, or else you might still have the 
problem.  The hose can look perfect and let air in the lines, but 
that is generally about the same effect as having a plugged fuel 
filter.  Your symptoms are more aligned with Max Dillon's remedy.  It 
is easier, so I'd try it first!


At 04:22 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
Hey Andrew, you have the whole weekend ahead of you. Report promptly 
on Monday.


Randy

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So now I have to check the main and inline filters, unclog the tank vent
(supposedly requires dropping the fuel tank), clearing out the line to the
ALDA, and/or installing a new tank strainer.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Euan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrew
>
> I'm just catching up with this thread. Sorry if I'm covering old ground.
>
> I've experienced a similar power loss on the highway. My wagon simply ran
> out of grunt without prior warning of any kind.
>
> It was indeed algae in the fuel. Now I have a cheap clear plastic fuel
> filter fitted inline in the engine bay where I can inspect it regularly.
>
> Finding a biocide was a bit tricky at the time  -- the fuel companies
> couldn't help (didn't want to admit they might have water in their fuel) --
> but I'm sure the treatments are more readily available now.
>
> So, check your fuel filters!
>
> Euan
> CHCH
> NZ
>
> 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
> 213K mi
>
> My mechanic says to check for algae in the tank, or a clogged inline fuel
>> filter.  The awkward part is that to make the problem appear, I need to
>> drive at high speeds for X minutes, and the risk getting rear ended when I
>> slow down to a crawl while on the (uphill) exit ramp.  What I don't get is
>> why the car performs flawlessly on hilly  terrain until I take it out for
>> a
>> 60+ mph spin.  Which of the suggested underlying causes best dovetails
>> with
>> this observed behavior?
>>
>>
>
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[MBZ] Hammie update

Finished
up the gauge pod and put it back in place. The cable for the idle
control seems to have loosened adequately. I did managed to
accidentally pull a wire loose from the driver's side speaker. Its got
round posts (feels like it anyway) and somebody put a square connector
on the wire. I got it wedged back in place adequately I think. The
stereo seems haunted, sometimes it won't acknowledge stations at all
(plays just static), sometimes it will. Its been all static for a month
or so. Today I unplugged it and plugged it back in and it works again,
weird. I'm fairly confident its the headunit (a JVC) thats the problem.
If it continues I'll replace it. Doing so will allow me to correctly
wire the power antenna too, the problem there is somebody snipped that
wire at the stereo so I can't easily tap it.
I also took a crack at
the glowplugs. Had to replace all 4 to find that #1 was the lights out
issue, it was obviously oily and the others weren't. Still the last
time I did this I was in the parking lot of our apartment in the dark
at about 20F... Even doing it in the yard on a 60 degree day its the
sort of job that you think is never going to end. I have to stoop about
halfway over and my back just screams the whole time...
Tomorrow its brakes...  

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Euan

Euan wrote:
>
> 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
> 213K mi
Interesting, tell me more. Was this a DIY conversion?  I saw a 300TD
5spd @ the Stuttgart MBZ Museum. It was beautiful.

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

There is also the odd chance that your overboost protection is kicking
in. I vote for algae/filter related items first.

-Rolf

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> So now I have to check the main and inline filters, unclog the tank vent
> (supposedly requires dropping the fuel tank), clearing out the line to the
> ALDA, and/or installing a new tank strainer.
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Euan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Andrew
>>
>> I'm just catching up with this thread. Sorry if I'm covering old ground.
>>
>> I've experienced a similar power loss on the highway. My wagon simply ran
>> out of grunt without prior warning of any kind.
>>
>> It was indeed algae in the fuel. Now I have a cheap clear plastic fuel
>> filter fitted inline in the engine bay where I can inspect it regularly.
>>
>> Finding a biocide was a bit tricky at the time  -- the fuel companies
>> couldn't help (didn't want to admit they might have water in their fuel) --
>> but I'm sure the treatments are more readily available now.
>>
>> So, check your fuel filters!
>>
>> Euan
>> CHCH
>> NZ
>>
>> 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
>> 213K mi
>>
>> My mechanic says to check for algae in the tank, or a clogged inline fuel
>> 
>>> filter.  The awkward part is that to make the problem appear, I need to
>>> drive at high speeds for X minutes, and the risk getting rear ended when I
>>> slow down to a crawl while on the (uphill) exit ramp.  What I don't get is
>>> why the car performs flawlessly on hilly  terrain until I take it out for
>>> a
>>> 60+ mph spin.  Which of the suggested underlying causes best dovetails
>>> with
>>> this observed behavior?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
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Re: [MBZ] Charger 210

2008-10-03 Thread RELNGSON

> ...The Charger is RWD ... isn't it??  I thought everything on the "300" 
> platform was.
> 
> Correct, it's a close cousin to the W210 Benz...
> 
You mean it's a rustbucket too?

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Re: [MBZ] Debate

Patriot Act was the single worst piece of legislation to pass this
decade. Including the current bailout bill.

The United States of America is no longer a free country.

-Rolf

Loren Faeth wrote:
> If you seek enlightenment, may I suggest:
>
> Read the constitution AND the bill of rights!
>
>
> At 03:05 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
>> Huh?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Wow. Just Wow.
>> >
>> > What is bad about either of those? Clearly you can't tell me that the
>> > Assault Weapon Ban is worse than the Patriot Act?
>> >
>> > -Rolf
>> >
>> >
>> > Mitch Haley wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Two of the most egregious crimes of Congress in the last 20 years
>> were
>> > > the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which
>> Biden
>> > > wrote, and even bragged about last night, and the McCain Feingold
>> act
>> > > in 2002, introduced in the Senate by guess who? I'd like to see
>> > > everybody who voted for those laws sentenced to death.
>> > >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] chutes

2008-10-03 Thread RELNGSON

> ...I don't know about the current models, but the early '70s 7KCAB I used
> to tow gliders only had chutes for seat cushions. I suppose you could
> make cushions that size and shape, but I never saw any...
> 
My friend's Decathlon probably has removable cushions and I haven't asked 
whether he has a chute but I'm sure he has no chute training. Long ago when I 
was 
building hours for my commercial license, I took a ten hour aerobatic course 
(just a taste, of course) in a Citabria and I'm pretty sure we pulled the 
cushions to make room for the chutes. The plane had quick release door hinge 
pins 
so we theoretically could get out for some reason but I also knew squat about 
chutes.

I never managed to pull the wings off so we didn't have to escape the thing.

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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

2008-10-03 Thread R A Bennell

Hey Andrew, you have the whole weekend ahead of you. Report promptly on Monday.

Randy

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So now I have to check the main and inline filters, unclog the tank vent
(supposedly requires dropping the fuel tank), clearing out the line to the
ALDA, and/or installing a new tank strainer.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Euan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrew
>
> I'm just catching up with this thread. Sorry if I'm covering old ground.
>
> I've experienced a similar power loss on the highway. My wagon simply ran
> out of grunt without prior warning of any kind.
>
> It was indeed algae in the fuel. Now I have a cheap clear plastic fuel
> filter fitted inline in the engine bay where I can inspect it regularly.
>
> Finding a biocide was a bit tricky at the time  -- the fuel companies
> couldn't help (didn't want to admit they might have water in their fuel) --
> but I'm sure the treatments are more readily available now.
>
> So, check your fuel filters!
>
> Euan
> CHCH
> NZ
>
> 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
> 213K mi
>
> My mechanic says to check for algae in the tank, or a clogged inline fuel
>> filter.  The awkward part is that to make the problem appear, I need to
>> drive at high speeds for X minutes, and the risk getting rear ended when I
>> slow down to a crawl while on the (uphill) exit ramp.  What I don't get is
>> why the car performs flawlessly on hilly  terrain until I take it out for
>> a
>> 60+ mph spin.  Which of the suggested underlying causes best dovetails
>> with
>> this observed behavior?
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Euan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Finding a biocide was a bit tricky at the time  -- the fuel companies
> couldn't help (didn't want to admit they might have water in their fuel) --
> but I'm sure the treatments are more readily available now.

In the USA, every boat supply store sells it, but that's small
consolation for those on the list who don't live in coastal states, I
guess.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

2008-10-03 Thread David Hemsley


Mine supported it!  That - after I had already written to him twice.!
 
Yep thats representing the people - Yeah Right!!!
 
I guess I should ask that a bill gets introduced to purchase a new home, 
office, automobile and bank account for me as well or was this somehow 
different and I'm missing the point
 
 
Dave H...  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: Fri, 3 
Oct 2008 16:37:58 -0400> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424> > Mine 
(Barron Hill) voted against it and he's a D.> > Allan> > "andrew strasfogel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:> > Let me take a wild guess: He's R.> > > > On Fri, 
Oct 3, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > 
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml> > >> > > Small consolation, but my 
congresscritter, who said a week ago that "we> > > need to pass something" but 
didn't like the initial bill and voted against> > > it Monday, voted nay again 
today. I wasn't going to vote for him again, but> > > I kinda feel like I owe 
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

How about a missile launcher?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> every patriot needs an assault rifle.  we've made that pretty clear on this
> list by now.
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > Wow. Just Wow.
> >
> > What is bad about either of those? Clearly you can't tell me that the
> > Assault Weapon Ban is worse than the Patriot Act?
> >
> > -Rolf
> >
> >
> > Mitch Haley wrote:
> > >
> > > Two of the most egregious crimes of Congress in the last 20 years were
> > > the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which Biden
> > > wrote, and even bragged about last night, and the McCain Feingold act
> > > in 2002, introduced in the Senate by guess who? I'd like to see
> > > everybody who voted for those laws sentenced to death.
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

How peverse, but if this is what it takes for you to switch to the better
side, then sobeit.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mine (Barron Hill) voted against it and he's a D.
>
> Allan
>
> "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Let me take a wild guess:  He's R.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml
> > >
> > > Small consolation, but my congresscritter, who said a week ago that "we
> > > need to pass something" but didn't like the initial bill and voted
> against
> > > it Monday, voted nay again today. I wasn't going to vote for him again,
> but
> > > I kinda feel like I owe it to him now.
> > > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

So now I have to check the main and inline filters, unclog the tank vent
(supposedly requires dropping the fuel tank), clearing out the line to the
ALDA, and/or installing a new tank strainer.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Euan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrew
>
> I'm just catching up with this thread. Sorry if I'm covering old ground.
>
> I've experienced a similar power loss on the highway. My wagon simply ran
> out of grunt without prior warning of any kind.
>
> It was indeed algae in the fuel. Now I have a cheap clear plastic fuel
> filter fitted inline in the engine bay where I can inspect it regularly.
>
> Finding a biocide was a bit tricky at the time  -- the fuel companies
> couldn't help (didn't want to admit they might have water in their fuel) --
> but I'm sure the treatments are more readily available now.
>
> So, check your fuel filters!
>
> Euan
> CHCH
> NZ
>
> 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
> 213K mi
>
> My mechanic says to check for algae in the tank, or a clogged inline fuel
>> filter.  The awkward part is that to make the problem appear, I need to
>> drive at high speeds for X minutes, and the risk getting rear ended when I
>> slow down to a crawl while on the (uphill) exit ramp.  What I don't get is
>> why the car performs flawlessly on hilly  terrain until I take it out for
>> a
>> 60+ mph spin.  Which of the suggested underlying causes best dovetails
>> with
>> this observed behavior?
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

2008-10-03 Thread Gary Hurst

every patriot needs an assault rifle.  we've made that pretty clear on this
list by now.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow. Just Wow.
>
> What is bad about either of those? Clearly you can't tell me that the
> Assault Weapon Ban is worse than the Patriot Act?
>
> -Rolf
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> >
> > Two of the most egregious crimes of Congress in the last 20 years were
> > the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which Biden
> > wrote, and even bragged about last night, and the McCain Feingold act
> > in 2002, introduced in the Senate by guess who? I'd like to see
> > everybody who voted for those laws sentenced to death.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Debate


If you seek enlightenment, may I suggest:

Read the constitution AND the bill of rights!


At 03:05 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote:

Huh?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow. Just Wow.
>
> What is bad about either of those? Clearly you can't tell me that the
> Assault Weapon Ban is worse than the Patriot Act?
>
> -Rolf
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> >
> > Two of the most egregious crimes of Congress in the last 20 years were
> > the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which Biden
> > wrote, and even bragged about last night, and the McCain Feingold act
> > in 2002, introduced in the Senate by guess who? I'd like to see
> > everybody who voted for those laws sentenced to death.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

2008-10-03 Thread Allan Streib

Mine (Barron Hill) voted against it and he's a D.

Allan

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Let me take a wild guess:  He's R.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml
> >
> > Small consolation, but my congresscritter, who said a week ago that "we
> > need to pass something" but didn't like the initial bill and voted against
> > it Monday, voted nay again today. I wasn't going to vote for him again, but
> > I kinda feel like I owe it to him now.
> > Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Debate


Rolf wrote:

Wow. Just Wow.

What is bad about either of those? Clearly you can't tell me that the
Assault Weapon Ban is worse than the Patriot Act?


I didn't mention the antipatriot act, I just picked a couple of major violations 
which were written by Senators currently on presidential tickets. Rifle ban is a 
direct attack on the 2nd Amendment, free speech ban a direct attack on the 1st.


BTW, in the last week or two, Obama's campaign site added a pledge to renew the
ban on scary looking rifles with no functional distinction, and make it 
permanent. Yet he claims that everybody who calls him anti-gun is lying and 
needs to be silenced. I guess I could include Obama's efforts to silence his 
critics, via threats of lawsuit and/or prosecution, as the worst campaign 
attempt at killing the 1st, but it's not legislation, just Chicago style 
politics. Obama's never been a fan of fair elections, that's why he sued to have 
all the other Dems removed from a primary ballot to insure his win.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424


andrew strasfogel wrote:

Let me take a wild guess:  He's R.


Because 63% of the nays were members of the Repugnant Party?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

2008-10-03 Thread Euan


Andrew

I'm just catching up with this thread. Sorry if I'm covering old ground.

I've experienced a similar power loss on the highway. My wagon simply 
ran out of grunt without prior warning of any kind.


It was indeed algae in the fuel. Now I have a cheap clear plastic fuel 
filter fitted inline in the engine bay where I can inspect it regularly.


Finding a biocide was a bit tricky at the time  -- the fuel companies 
couldn't help (didn't want to admit they might have water in their fuel) 
-- but I'm sure the treatments are more readily available now.


So, check your fuel filters!

Euan
CHCH
NZ

1985 300TD 5-spd manual
213K mi


My mechanic says to check for algae in the tank, or a clogged inline fuel
filter.  The awkward part is that to make the problem appear, I need to
drive at high speeds for X minutes, and the risk getting rear ended when I
slow down to a crawl while on the (uphill) exit ramp.  What I don't get is
why the car performs flawlessly on hilly  terrain until I take it out for a
60+ mph spin.  Which of the suggested underlying causes best dovetails with
this observed behavior?
  



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Need source for Maytag Ref. parts

2008-10-03 Thread Bill R

Alex, When we installed our new [to us] gas stove a couple of months ago the
end cap for the backsplash broke.  KitchenAid [Whirlpool] does not have it
any longer, but repairclinic.com did.  Thanks for the suggestion - it sure
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BillR

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Max, I've been very happy ordering parts from repairclinic.com.  Their
online troubleshooting guides are excellent as well.  A good
appliance-repair message board where a lot of pros and experienced
amateurs hang out is fixitnow.com.  Good luck!

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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

Let me take a wild guess:  He's R.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml
>
> Small consolation, but my congresscritter, who said a week ago that "we
> need to pass something" but didn't like the initial bill and voted against
> it Monday, voted nay again today. I wasn't going to vote for him again, but
> I kinda feel like I owe it to him now.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

Huh?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow. Just Wow.
>
> What is bad about either of those? Clearly you can't tell me that the
> Assault Weapon Ban is worse than the Patriot Act?
>
> -Rolf
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> >
> > Two of the most egregious crimes of Congress in the last 20 years were
> > the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which Biden
> > wrote, and even bragged about last night, and the McCain Feingold act
> > in 2002, introduced in the Senate by guess who? I'd like to see
> > everybody who voted for those laws sentenced to death.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

This makes perfect sense.  Now all I need is to RTFM and locate that d*arned
tank vent.

Or I could ask if any 300TD owners have BTDT (e.g., unclogged a W123 wagon
fuel tank vent).

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Max Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> If the tank vent is plugged, at highway speed a vacuum will build in the
> tank because the time-rate of fuel consumption is high.
>
> When you slow down and engine RPM drops, the fuel lift pump cannot overcome
> the vacuum in the tank and so your engine is starved of fuel.
>
> Test: Drive at high speed long enough to cause the condition based on past
> experience, then pull over and quickly remove the fuel cap.  If you hear a
> 'whoosh' of air, the tank vent is plugged.
>
>
> --
> Very respectfully,
> /s/
> Max Dillon
> '87 300TD, 310k miles
> Charleston SC
> Digest lurker (on and off) since
> 2001
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

I recently replaced my (leaky) primer pump with the Bosch all-in-one type.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I have never seen or worked on either the intake manifold or the ALDA.
>>  What
>> does this hose look like?  If is a fuel or vacuum hose?
>>
>
> ALDA = square thing on top of IP towards the rear, may have an adjuster
> screw on top, or may have a tamperproof cap with the screw under it. The
> hose goes from the ALDA to the firewall where there's a switchover valve
> intended to vent the pressure to atmosphere if the turbo goes overboost.
> If that hose doesn't build pressure at the ALDA, the car will run like a
> non turbo. With vacuum in the hose, (don't ask me how that could happen) it
> might be weaker than a 240D.
>
> BTW, while you're poking around the IP, take a look at the hand primer
> pump. Does it have a white disk at the top for a handle, or a long black cap
> over it that serves as a pump handle?
> The old ones with the white disk can leak air into the IP and cause severe
> loss of power. Unscrew the knurled disk to unlock the pump, and give it a
> few strokes. Does diesel fuel leak out?
> Here's what the new one looks like, it's upside down in the picture:
> http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/hires/D2010268357BOS.JPG
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

How hard is it to expose the tank in a wagon and locate the crack?  Is it
made of metal or plastic?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If it's only cracked, this is a job for shoe goo.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:39
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
>
> Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the rear
> hatch area floor)?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw
> > various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them.  My body shop guy
> > said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He
> said
> > he was fixing  them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody
> know
> > about Bob's Benzes?
> > Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from  belt line down with
> > dogleg.
> > Dwight
> >   Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..
> > >
> > > At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> > > >One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind
> > > >the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the
> > car?
> > > >
> > > >Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same
> > > >place as most of 'em...
> > > >
> > > >-Curt
> > > >
> > > >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
> > > >From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> > > >To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> > > >Message-ID:
> > > >
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> > @eastrmimpo03.cox.net>
> > > >Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
> > > >
> > > >Thanks but OUCH.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> > > >Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > > >Wickford RI 02852
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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[MBZ] Bailout passes House


http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/house.bailout/index.html

263-171, that's 263 more people who have no business holding public office, and 
all 263 are up for re-election next month.
The federal budget goes up by 25% or more, all sorts of crap that could not have 
passed on its own got passed with the bailout, and the true cost won't be felt 
until long after the coming election.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424


http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

Small consolation, but my congresscritter, who said a week ago that "we need to 
pass something" but didn't like the initial bill and voted against it Monday, 
voted nay again today. I wasn't going to vote for him again, but I kinda feel 
like I owe it to him now.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Debate

Wow. Just Wow.

What is bad about either of those? Clearly you can't tell me that the
Assault Weapon Ban is worse than the Patriot Act?

-Rolf


Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> Two of the most egregious crimes of Congress in the last 20 years were
> the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which Biden
> wrote, and even bragged about last night, and the McCain Feingold act
> in 2002, introduced in the Senate by guess who? I'd like to see
> everybody who voted for those laws sentenced to death.
>


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Re: [MBZ] 84 300DT

The side ones are easy enough, just remove the under dash and rotate
them until they pop out. The middle ones will probably require taking
the dash out. Not to hard but I highly recommend a cordless drill and
socket adapter.

David Hemsley wrote:
> I don't understand it but since I got this new computer i cannot log onto the 
> home site  I keep getting some type of a JAVA error.
>  
> At any rate:  Does anyone know how to remove andf then replace the four vents 
> on the dash of the 123 chassis?  One is in the front passenger side another 
> in the front driver's side and then two are in the froint center.
>  
> Three of mine will not open or close by the vent knob so I have replacements 
> but cannot figure out how to change them out
>  
>  
> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Need source for Maytag Ref. parts

2008-10-03 Thread Max Dillon

Alex,

Thanks for the endorsment and the message board tip.  Repair Clinic has a 
decent price for the part (about $75) but I've found a seller on Ebay with a 
$45 price and $3 S&H.

Max
-- Original message from "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
-- 


> Max, I've been very happy ordering parts from repairclinic.com. Their 
> online troubleshooting guides are excellent as well. A good 
> appliance-repair message board where a lot of pros and experienced 
> amateurs hang out is fixitnow.com. Good luck! 
> 
> Alex Chamberlain 
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

2008-10-03 Thread Scott Ritchey

Check this site:

http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesaldaboostsystemservi.htm



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I have never seen or worked on either the intake manifold or the ALDA.  What
does this hose look like?  If is a fuel or vacuum hose?

Yes, I am that ignorant.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Check that hose from the back of the intake manifold to the ALDA, see if
it
> is clogging up with something at high speed, then releasing when you slow
> down.  That's what happened to the 300SD, Marshall immediately diagnosed
it.
>
> --R
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>> You say you looked in the clear inline filter under the hood and it
wasn't
>> clogged?
>> I'd do like Jim said, pull the cap, see if it's under vacuum, and hope
the
>> tank hasn't imploded down to 10 gallon capacity.
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[MBZ] 84 300DT

2008-10-03 Thread David Hemsley


I don't understand it but since I got this new computer i cannot log onto the 
home site  I keep getting some type of a JAVA error.
 
At any rate:  Does anyone know how to remove andf then replace the four vents 
on the dash of the 123 chassis?  One is in the front passenger side another in 
the front driver's side and then two are in the froint center.
 
Three of mine will not open or close by the vent knob so I have replacements 
but cannot figure out how to change them out
 
 
Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

2008-10-03 Thread Scott Ritchey

If it's only cracked, this is a job for shoe goo.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the rear
hatch area floor)?



On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw
> various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them.  My body shop guy
> said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He said
> he was fixing  them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody know
> about Bob's Benzes?
> Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from  belt line down with
> dogleg.
> Dwight
>   Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..
> >
> > At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> > >One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind
> > >the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the
> car?
> > >
> > >Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same
> > >place as most of 'em...
> > >
> > >-Curt
> > >
> > >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
> > >From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> > >To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> > >Message-ID:
> > >
<20081002155710.NHGN11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net
> @eastrmimpo03.cox.net>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > >Thanks but OUCH.
> > >
> > >
> > >Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> > >Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > >Wickford RI 02852
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

2008-10-03 Thread Kevin

Why? The high crime of treason is the only crime actually spelled out in the 
constitution. Why shouldn't we expect, if not demand, that those guilty of
treason are brought to justice?

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:55:43AM -0400, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum.  Someone might
> take you seriously and knock on your door...

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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

2008-10-03 Thread Rusty Cullens


$109.25


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?



Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the rear
hatch area floor)?



On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw
various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them.  My body shop guy
said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He 
said
he was fixing  them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody 
know

about Bob's Benzes?
Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from  belt line down with
dogleg.
Dwight
  Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..
>
> At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> >One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind
> >the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the
car?
> >
> >Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same
> >place as most of 'em...
> >
> >-Curt
> >
> >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
> >From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
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> >Thanks but OUCH.
> >
> >
> >Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> >Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> >Wickford RI 02852
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD


andrew strasfogel wrote:

I have never seen or worked on either the intake manifold or the ALDA.  What
does this hose look like?  If is a fuel or vacuum hose?


ALDA = square thing on top of IP towards the rear, may have an adjuster screw on 
top, or may have a tamperproof cap with the screw under it. The hose goes from 
the ALDA to the firewall where there's a switchover valve intended to vent the 
pressure to atmosphere if the turbo goes overboost.
If that hose doesn't build pressure at the ALDA, the car will run like a non 
turbo. With vacuum in the hose, (don't ask me how that could happen) it might be 
weaker than a 240D.


BTW, while you're poking around the IP, take a look at the hand primer pump. 
Does it have a white disk at the top for a handle, or a long black cap over it 
that serves as a pump handle?
The old ones with the white disk can leak air into the IP and cause severe loss 
of power. Unscrew the knurled disk to unlock the pump, and give it a few 
strokes. Does diesel fuel leak out?

Here's what the new one looks like, it's upside down in the picture:
http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/hires/D2010268357BOS.JPG

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Need source for Maytag Ref. parts

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>> Max, I've been very happy ordering parts from repairclinic.com.
>
> I recommend them as well.  Good web site, on-line photos of almost every
> part to help you verify you're ordering the right thing, and good tools
> to help you figure out what you need if you don't know the exact name of
> the part.

Yeah, that's a great feature I forgot about.  It's like an online
version of the kind of old-fashioned hardware store where the staff is
willing to play Twenty Questions with you until you find what you
need.  ("Well, it's about six inches long with black plastic on one
end, and the other end screws into the motor..." "Like this?" "No,
shorter..."  etc. etc.)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Need source for Maytag Ref. parts

2008-10-03 Thread Allan Streib


"Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Max, I've been very happy ordering parts from repairclinic.com. 

I recommend them as well.  Good web site, on-line photos of almost every
part to help you verify you're ordering the right thing, and good tools
to help you figure out what you need if you don't know the exact name of
the part.  Very well put together.  And quick delivery.  They're my
"Rusty" for appliance parts.

Allan
--
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Need source for Maytag Ref. parts

Max, I've been very happy ordering parts from repairclinic.com.  Their
online troubleshooting guides are excellent as well.  A good
appliance-repair message board where a lot of pros and experienced
amateurs hang out is fixitnow.com.  Good luck!

Alex Chamberlain
'07 Frigidaire Gallery washer
'01 Asko T800 dryer

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[MBZ] OT: Need source for Maytag Ref. parts

2008-10-03 Thread Max Dillon

Dieselvolk,

Anyone have a 'favorite' on-line source for appliance parts?  Managed to fry a 
control board for the ice/water dispenser.  I've surfed a couple places and 
average price seems to be about $75.

--
Very respectfully, 
/s/ 
Max Dillon 
'87 300TD, 310k miles 
Charleston SC 
Digest lurker (on and off) since 
2001 
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

2008-10-03 Thread Max Dillon

Andrew,

If the tank vent is plugged, at highway speed a vacuum will build in the tank 
because the time-rate of fuel consumption is high.

When you slow down and engine RPM drops, the fuel lift pump cannot overcome the 
vacuum in the tank and so your engine is starved of fuel.

Test: Drive at high speed long enough to cause the condition based on past 
experience, then pull over and quickly remove the fuel cap.  If you hear a 
'whoosh' of air, the tank vent is plugged.


--
Very respectfully, 
/s/ 
Max Dillon 
'87 300TD, 310k miles 
Charleston SC 
Digest lurker (on and off) since 
2001 
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[MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK NOW Pork again

The Clintonoid Frank Raines when he took over said his objective was to
increase holdings to $1T ($10E12), a fair chunk of change. He worked it
hard, made millions for himself til bailing under less than pristine
circumstances. Criminal investigations are proceeding.

I worked for Enron, Enron was an employer of mine, and this thing is no
Enron -- it is about 100X bigger if you can imagine that. The
criminality involved pervades our whole political system, and is being
visited on the American people, and indeed a large part of the world, by
people whose objectives were little different from the smartest guys in
the room. In this case they are our elected representatives, their
hangers-on, and greed-motivated financiers. It is not unexpected that
any of them would behave in this way, it is what they do. What is
unexpected is the scope and magnitude of it all, a lot of it by people
who have been entrusted to behave otherwise. In retrospect it is not
too surprising though, given the mindsets and characteristics of many
who were intimately involved.

--R

Donald Snook wrote:

Rich wrote: "Note that this is on the Opinion page, but it seems rather
straightforward and factual by a guy who knows his topic."

Here is another interesting article. It has a similar thesis, EXCEPT it
explores the role of Congress, finds the point at which Congress tried to act
(and then places blame on those for failing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

It's a pretty interesting article. Here is the most important part:

"What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious
Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking
Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to
crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky
assets.

Different World

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005,
2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the
Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable
institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up
excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a
party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan
issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't
even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was
obscene even then. Wallison
wrote at the time:
``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The
Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly
do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

Mounds of Materials

Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in
2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for
honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending
their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing.

But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack
Obama,
Hillary
Clinton
and Christopher
Dodd,
have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years."

There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back
at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.

Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and
Nov. 4: Senator John
McCain
was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would
have averted this mess.
Donald H. Snook
1990 Volvo 240DL (with a McCain sticker on it).
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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

There is a (likely formerly) clear plastic tube that runs from a fitting 
on the very back of the intake manifold, right up against the firewall, 
across the firewall thence to the ALDA, a boost pressure signal conveyor 
that controls how much fuel gets squirted, I guess.  Or an overboost 
protection signal or something that controls how much fuel gets squirted 
(or not).  Anyway, if that thing gets clogged (likely stuff that gets 
stuck in the little fitting on the intake manifold, inside) you have to 
take it off that fitting and then stick a wire or something in there to 
sorta ream it out.  Or maybe that hose is cracked, broken, looks like 
some Home Depot rigid poly would work OK as it is just a hose, and the 
Benz part number is obscure.  It takes about 5 min to do that, worth a try.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I have never seen or worked on either the intake manifold or the ALDA.  What
does this hose look like?  If is a fuel or vacuum hose?

Yes, I am that ignorant.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Check that hose from the back of the intake manifold to the ALDA, see if it
is clogging up with something at high speed, then releasing when you slow
down.  That's what happened to the 300SD, Marshall immediately diagnosed it.

--R


Mitch Haley wrote:



You say you looked in the clear inline filter under the hood and it wasn't
clogged?
I'd do like Jim said, pull the cap, see if it's under vacuum, and hope the
tank hasn't imploded down to 10 gallon capacity.

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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK

2008-10-03 Thread Donald Snook

Rich wrote: "Note that this is on the Opinion page, but it seems rather 
straightforward and factual by a guy who knows his topic."

Here is another interesting article.  It has a similar thesis, EXCEPT it 
explores the role of Congress, finds the point at which Congress tried to act 
(and then places blame on those for failing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

It's a pretty interesting article.  Here is the most important part:


"What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious 
Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking 
Committee. The bill gave a regulator power 
to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their 
investments in risky assets.

Different World

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 
2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the 
Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable 
institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up 
excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a 
party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan 
issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't 
even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was 
obscene even then. Wallison 
wrote at the time: 
``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. 
The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could 
not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

Mounds of Materials

Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 
2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for 
honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending 
their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing.

But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, 
including Barack 
Obama,
 Hillary 
Clinton
 and Christopher 
Dodd,
 have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the 
years."

There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back 
at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.

Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind 
while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John 
McCain
 was one of the three cosponsors of 
S.190, the bill that 
would have averted this mess.
Donald H. Snook
1990 Volvo 240DL (with a McCain sticker on it).
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Re: [MBZ] A new kind of cop car

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Charger is RWD ... isn't it??  I thought everything on the "300"
> platform was.

Correct, it's a close cousin to the W210 Benz.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

I have never seen or worked on either the intake manifold or the ALDA.  What
does this hose look like?  If is a fuel or vacuum hose?

Yes, I am that ignorant.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Check that hose from the back of the intake manifold to the ALDA, see if it
> is clogging up with something at high speed, then releasing when you slow
> down.  That's what happened to the 300SD, Marshall immediately diagnosed it.
>
> --R
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>> You say you looked in the clear inline filter under the hood and it wasn't
>> clogged?
>> I'd do like Jim said, pull the cap, see if it's under vacuum, and hope the
>> tank hasn't imploded down to 10 gallon capacity.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKie................perhaps?


Hendrik & Fay wrote:
The other side of the coin is what would happen if there is no bailout? 


It's called a recession. The economy contracts, the garbage gets flushed out, 
and the economy eventually rebounds stronger than before. We can't let that 
happen, now, can we?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Here's the latest from Washington State

Hey Don, your guy Biden was absolutely awesome last night.  Great coaching!

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Loren --
>
> I will try to rescue you from the "up against the wall" group when the
> Socialist Revolution comes to Ames. I will hide you away in a Repubican
> farmer's barn in Jefferson, where you should be safe. I don't think the
> Socialist Green Group will bother Jefferson.
>
> Don
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > The high-minded folks behind it are following Saul Alinsky's book, Rules
> > for Radicals.  They are implementing creeping socialism in the guise of
> > greenie weenies.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> LT Don
> http://don.homelinux.net/~don/
>
> apt-get update
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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the rear
hatch area floor)?



On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw
> various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them.  My body shop guy
> said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He said
> he was fixing  them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody know
> about Bob's Benzes?
> Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from  belt line down with
> dogleg.
> Dwight
>   Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..
> >
> > At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> > >One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind
> > >the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the
> car?
> > >
> > >Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same
> > >place as most of 'em...
> > >
> > >-Curt
> > >
> > >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
> > >From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> > >To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> > >Message-ID:
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> > >
> > >Thanks but OUCH.
> > >
> > >
> > >Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> > >Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > >Wickford RI 02852
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK

2008-10-03 Thread OK Don

Is this it?

Failed Lender Played Regulatory Angles
Red Flags Flew but Lamb's Banks Kept Pouring Out Loans, Till They Collapsed
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122298993937000343.html


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> URL?
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There is an excellent article on the opinion page of the WSJ
>> today on
>> how this mess came about.

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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK


Next to last page of front section.

(OK I am being a smartass, I read the actual PAPER!!!  It might be on 
the WSJ web site, by some professor or other)


OK here it is  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122298982558700341.html

Note that this is on the Opinion page, but it seems rather 
straightforward and factual by a guy who knows his topic.  YMMV


--R

Mitch Marmel wrote:

URL?


--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

There is an excellent article on the opinion page of the WSJ
today on 
how this mess came about.



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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

Check that hose from the back of the intake manifold to the ALDA, see if 
it is clogging up with something at high speed, then releasing when you 
slow down.  That's what happened to the 300SD, Marshall immediately 
diagnosed it.


--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
You say you looked in the clear inline filter under the hood and it 
wasn't clogged?
I'd do like Jim said, pull the cap, see if it's under vacuum, and hope 
the tank hasn't imploded down to 10 gallon capacity.


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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK


Mitch Marmel wrote:

URL?


I didn't find that one, but I found this:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/10/03/schwarzenegger-warns-california-may-need-federal-loan/

California has been insolvent for quite a while now, they love to vote spending 
without voting for means to pay for it. (you'd think the state was run by 
neoconservatives)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Here's the latest from Washington State

2008-10-03 Thread OK Don

Yup - the next morning the paper had a story about the seasonal lake
turn-over that happens every fall. Top 2-4 inches of water get cooled
at night enough to fall to the bottom, displacing the algae filled
(from a nice long summer of warmth and sun) bottom water which rises.

However, the more nutrients, the more algae the water can support.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas
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> The water in the Boston area was usually pretty good, but sometimes it would
> have musty taste that was due to algae and it would not all get filtered
> out.  The water was from protected reservoirs, little or no nasty runoff in
> them.  Just a natural thing.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK

2008-10-03 Thread Mitch Marmel

URL?


--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is an excellent article on the opinion page of the WSJ
> today on 
> how this mess came about.

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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD


You say you looked in the clear inline filter under the hood and it wasn't 
clogged?
I'd do like Jim said, pull the cap, see if it's under vacuum, and hope the tank 
hasn't imploded down to 10 gallon capacity.


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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK


Allan Streib wrote:

Actually it was government policy that caused the giving of mortgages to
a lot of people who previously would never have had a prayer of
qualifying for one.  The banks would not have taken risks like that on
their own without Freddie/Fannie being willing to buy those mortgages. 


I'd rather blame the mortgage problem on derivatives like credit default swaps, 
whereby the mortgages are sliced, diced, and repackaged until nobody know what 
they are buying, it's all just paper by then. Sure, Freddie/Fannie underwrote 
some mortgages that should not have been made (under prompting from the likes of 
Clinton and Bush), but the likely losses on those mortgages are relatively small 
in percentage terms. There are CDS in circulation that really are worthless, 
which can't be said about conforming mortgages.


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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK

There is an excellent article on the opinion page of the WSJ today on 
how this mess came about.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

2008-10-03 Thread degcoast

Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw various SL 
panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them.  My body shop guy said that he 
used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He said he was fixing  
them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody know about Bob's Benzes?
Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from  belt line down with dogleg.
Dwight 
 Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..
> 
> At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> >One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind 
> >the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the car?
> >
> >Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same 
> >place as most of 'em...
> >
> >-Curt
> >
> >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
> >From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> >To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
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> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >Thanks but OUCH.
> >
> >
> >Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> >Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> >Wickford RI 02852
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK


andrew strasfogel wrote:

I thought there was a national consensus on the merits of home ownership. I
guess the question is - at what cost?  Maybe now we know.


It would be nice if everybody could pay for and maintain a home, but that's just 
wishful thinking and campaign talk.
Those that, for whatever reason, are in a home that they can't/won't pay for, or 
can't/won't maintain, will be far better off when they get foreclosed on and 
sent back to rentals.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fossett


Ya think?

--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  "It was a head-on crash into the side of a mountain, into a rock," Madera 
County Sheriff John Anderson told a news conference, according to the San 
Francisco Chronicle. "The plane disintegrated.


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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK


OK Don wrote:

There is the minor discrepancy where he's decrying the lack of free
market principles, when it's those uncontrolled free markets that got
us into this mess. 


I think it's uncontrolled government meddling that got us into this mess.
As stated in an email I received from a Congressman on 9-25:


Dear Friends:

The financial meltdown the economists of the Austrian School predicted has 
arrived.

We are in this crisis because of an excess of artificially created credit at the 
hands of the Federal Reserve System. The solution being proposed? More 
artificial credit by the Federal Reserve. No liquidation of bad debt and 
malinvestment is to be allowed. By doing more of the same, we will only continue 
and intensify the distortions in our economy - all the capital misallocation, 
all the malinvestment - and prevent the market's attempt to re-establish 
rational pricing of houses and other assets.


Last night the president addressed the nation about the financial crisis. There 
is no point in going through his remarks line by line, since I'd only be 
repeating what I've been saying over and over - not just for the past several 
days, but for years and even decades.


Still, at least a few observations are necessary.

The president assures us that his administration "is working with Congress to 
address the root cause behind much of the instability in our markets." Care to 
take a guess at whether the Federal Reserve and its money creation spree were 
even mentioned?


We are told that "low interest rates" led to excessive borrowing, but we are not 
told how these low interest rates came about. They were a deliberate policy of 
the Federal Reserve. As always, artificially low interest rates distort the 
market. Entrepreneurs engage in malinvestments - investments that do not make 
sense in light of current resource availability, that occur in more temporally 
remote stages of the capital structure than the pattern of consumer demand can 
support, and that would not have been made at all if the interest rate had been 
permitted to tell the truth instead of being toyed with by the Fed.


Not a word about any of that, of course, because Americans might then discover 
how the great wise men in Washington caused this great debacle. Better to keep 
scapegoating the mortgage industry or "wildcat capitalism" (as if we actually 
have a pure free market!).


Speaking about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the president said: "Because these 
companies were chartered by Congress, many believed they were guaranteed by the 
federal government. This allowed them to borrow enormous sums of money, fuel the 
market for questionable investments, and put our financial system at risk."


Doesn't that prove the foolishness of chartering Fannie and Freddie in the first 
place? Doesn't that suggest that maybe, just maybe, government may have 
contributed to this mess? And of course, by bailing out Fannie and Freddie, 
hasn't the federal government shown that the "many" who "believed they were 
guaranteed by the federal government" were in fact correct?


Then come the scare tactics. If we don't give dictatorial powers to the Treasury 
Secretary "the stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value 
of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet." Left unsaid, 
naturally, is that with the bailout and all the money and credit that must be 
produced out of thin air to fund it, the value of your retirement account will 
drop anyway, because the value of the dollar will suffer a precipitous decline. 
As for home prices, they are obviously much too high, and supply and demand 
cannot equilibrate if government insists on propping them up.


It's the same destructive strategy that government tried during the Great 
Depression: prop up prices at all costs. The Depression went on for over a 
decade. On the other hand, when liquidation was allowed to occur in the equally 
devastating downturn of 1921, the economy recovered within less than a year.


The president also tells us that Senators McCain and Obama will join him at the 
White House today in order to figure out how to get the bipartisan bailout 
passed. The two senators would do their country much more good if they stayed on 
the campaign trail debating who the bigger celebrity is, or whatever it is that 
occupies their attention these days.


F.A. Hayek won the Nobel Prize for showing how central banks' manipulation of 
interest rates creates the boom-bust cycle with which we are sadly familiar. In 
1932, in the depths of the Great Depression, he described the foolish policies 
being pursued in his day - and which are being proposed, just as destructively, 
in our own:


Instead of furthering the inevitable liquidation of the maladjustments brought 
about by the boom during the last three years, all conceivable means have been 
used to prevent that readjustment from taking place; and one of these means, 
which has been repeatedly tried though

Re: [MBZ] OT: OMG the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Luther wrote:

I believe you are correct, they don't think about the future...


The only future that matters is the next election, or in this case, 4 1/2 weeks 
from now. Therefore economic situations that were years/decades in the making 
need to have a gigantic trillion dollar band-aid slapped on them so we can 
pretend for five weeks that they are magically fixed. That in and of itself is 
enough to disqualify Senators Biden, McCain, and Obama from serving in public 
office in the future.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Here's the latest from Washington State

The water in the Boston area was usually pretty good, but sometimes it 
would have musty taste that was due to algae and it would not all get 
filtered out.  The water was from protected reservoirs, little or no 
nasty runoff in them.  Just a natural thing.


--R

OK Don wrote:

No - it's from an algae bloom - no telling why - maybe all the oil in
the lake from those nasty two cycle engines tearing around all summer,
spoiling a nice afternoon sail.

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

And that was caused by your neighbors washing their cars?  Where is the
proof?




  

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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?


KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..

At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind 
the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the car?


Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same 
place as most of 'em...


-Curt

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
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Thanks but OUCH.


Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852




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Re: [MBZ] Debate

2008-10-03 Thread Gary Hurst

it's a very funny thing to me, how people think.  people always ask "how
could someone be gestapo or SS of stasi or KGB"?

By the same token, how can someone be IRS or DEA?  no one ever asks that
question, and this is the key to understanding why all war is silly.

we are pretty much just murderous chimpanzees with slogans, no?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum.  Someone might
>> take you seriously and knock on your door...
>>
>
>
> I'm serious, and I'm not afraid to state my views in public, and I'm damn
> sure not afraid of our country's 800,000 badge toting felons. People who
> swear an oath to uphold the Constitution and then devote their lives to
> destroying it should be tried for treason, and upon conviction, hung by the
> neck until dead.
>
> This summer I saw, on PBS's "History Detectives", a picture of a massive
> gallows used to simultaneously hang over 200 north American aboriginals.
> When I saw that picture, I immediately thought "we need one of those in DC".
>
> Two of the most egregious crimes of Congress in the last 20 years were the
> Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which Biden wrote,
> and even bragged about last night, and the McCain Feingold act in 2002,
> introduced in the Senate by guess who? I'd like to see everybody who voted
> for those laws sentenced to death.
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] chute

Coincidentally I went to college with Mooney Jr. (or was he Mooney III? I 
forget.)
Brilliant kid.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:09:41 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] chute
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> ..WTF?? As if every single engine pilot carries a parachute?...
> 
Well, of course they don't. 

But, the Decathlon is an aerobatic aircraft and the seats do allow for a 
backpack if required (when doing aerobatics) which was not the case in this 
instance. Anyway, running full tilt into a rock wall is not going to be 
something in 
which a chute would help. Stating the obvious.

Coincidentally, my friend CB just sold the Mooney 231 he had owned for 27 
years and bought a two year old Decathlon.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] OT: OMG the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Most people never think any farther ahead than yesterday and can't remember 
history before today.

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:11:42 -0500
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: OMG the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To paraphrase something I rad recently - the only thing we seem to
learn from history is that we never learn anything from history.

I would disagree - they only think about now.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Absolutely.  They have no connection with history and what DID NOT work
> before.  Same problem with our Israel/Muslim foreign policy.  They simply
> think now and future.
>

-- 
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[MBZ] Sheesh

A couple months ago when I went to Iowa I left the lights on on my 190D. 2 days 
later you can imagine how dead the battery was.

Yesterday when I returned from Burbank I realized I'd left the dome light on. 
As my grandfather would have said "Jumpin Jesus, bald headed Christ".

So now I know that the battery in my 190D is good enough to leave the dome 
light on for nearly 4 days and still start the car. Not with any extra mind you 
but the car did indeed start.

Yeah battery life is definately shortened I'm sure. Worst part is the battery 
isn't even a year old.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Debate


andrew strasfogel wrote:

You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum.  Someone might
take you seriously and knock on your door...



I'm serious, and I'm not afraid to state my views in public, and I'm damn sure 
not afraid of our country's 800,000 badge toting felons. People who swear an 
oath to uphold the Constitution and then devote their lives to destroying it 
should be tried for treason, and upon conviction, hung by the neck until dead.


This summer I saw, on PBS's "History Detectives", a picture of a massive gallows 
used to simultaneously hang over 200 north American aboriginals. When I saw that 
picture, I immediately thought "we need one of those in DC".


Two of the most egregious crimes of Congress in the last 20 years were the 
Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which Biden wrote, and 
even bragged about last night, and the McCain Feingold act in 2002, introduced 
in the Senate by guess who? I'd like to see everybody who voted for those laws 
sentenced to death.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] A new kind of cop car

What about a Canadian made Taurus?

Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:03:40 -0400
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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"Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The City of Portland police department and the Oregon and Washington
> highway patrols replaced their old Kawasaki bikes (like the ones on
> the old TV show "CHIPS") with BMW boxers all at the same time.  That
> was a bit of a shock.

They use Harleys here.  I thought NO government EVER bought foreign
until I heard about that Prius.

-- 
1983 300D



  
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Re: [MBZ] chute


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyway, running full tilt into a rock wall is not going to be something in 
which a chute would help. Stating the obvious.


Kind of like "The bicyclist was not wearing a foam hat when he was crushed under 
the tires of the tractor-trailer rig".


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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind the door to 
the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the car?

Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same place as 
most of 'em...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
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Thanks but OUCH. 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

Jim, you really are a genius.  Just don't let it go to your head.

My mechanic says to check for algae in the tank, or a clogged inline fuel
filter.  The awkward part is that to make the problem appear, I need to
drive at high speeds for X minutes, and the risk getting rear ended when I
slow down to a crawl while on the (uphill) exit ramp.  What I don't get is
why the car performs flawlessly on hilly  terrain until I take it out for a
60+ mph spin.  Which of the suggested underlying causes best dovetails with
this observed behavior?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Where is the tank vent?
>>
>
> Most of them are down by the left rear axle, from
> what I've seen.  It's a pressure/vacuum release
> valve in a weird little rubber housing.  It'd be
> easy proof, though, just pop the filler cap when
> it's acting up to see if it gets all better!
>
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] mileage question

With that many stops I'd think wear and tear on the brakes, especially on an 
auto trans car would be more influential than fuel economy. Theres more to 
overall economy than fuel.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:52:41 -0500
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Which car?  If an 85 190D, the www.fueleconomy.gov site says 26mpg
city and 35mpg highway.
Taking those as an example, the shorter route is more like city
driving, so 21 miles at 26mpg =
0.8 gal.  The 25 mile route sounds like highway driving, so 25 miles
at 35mpg = 0.7 gal.

If the shorter route is partial steady state driving (1/2 mile
constant speed between stop signs), and there are some stops on the
longer route (getting to and from the highway), I'd guess that it's a
wash.
Take the fastest route and forget the fuel difference. It's too small
to mess with.

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The total route is about 25 miles or so on the long route
>

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Norman, OK
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mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
'90 300D (Rattled),  '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)

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