Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job such as looking at Mercedes parts
In my quest to find a price for my high pressure expansion hose for the SLS on my TE, I came across this http://et.mercedes-benz-clubs.com/en/start.jsp The part number I looked up was A1263205853 found here http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp?TP=1F=124090M=103.98_14KGA=722.358GM=717.433CT=Mcat=14KSID=13SGR=045SGN=02 under power steering attachment parts?? I would have thought it would be under suspension . Hendrik with a leaky hose Chuck Landenberger wrote: Luther And, of course, you (and the other employees who comprise we) are just watching on your break time, right? Would this be OK if you worked the day shift? Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 26, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Luther wrote: We discovered yesterday that they have installed WiFi with unblocked access to the internet. Several of us working nights now are bringing our laptops. Online video...CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, etc! :) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job such as looking at Mercedes parts
Hendrik, That's because that SLS pump is a tandem pump which runs the power steering and the rear suspension pressure. That may not be the case on your TE but it looks to be a tandem pump from the diagram! Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Correct lube for plastic-to-plastic contact?
I have been unable to find Sunroof Lube on Rusty' website - anyone have a pat number? You out there Rusty? ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Correct lube for plastic-to-plastic contact? I would use some of the white sunroof lube from Rusty. It's a very high quality lube that will not collect dust. Exactly what you would need for mechanical parts in side electronic equipment. (the only reason I would use it, is because I have some just lying around :) ) Luther Alex Chamberlain wrote: Sort of OT question but maybe not, considering. I took apart my Yamaha component CD changer because it refused to open---just a whining noise when you hit the open/close button. It's the kind with a carousel that slides out on runners like a kitchen drawer. I thought a CD might be somehow jammed inside and keeping the drawer from sliding out, but instead found that a tiny drive belt, running on pulleys to connect a motor to the rack-and-pinion arrangement that moves the drawer, was overstretched and slipping. I'm ready to order a replacement ($1.98 plus $8 shipping!), but I figured as long as I have the unit open, I should lubricate the runners and the rack-and-pinion setup. So the question is what kind of lubricant to use for these parts? There's some kind of white greasy stuff on there already, but I supppose I should clean it off (I have some 100% isopropyl alcohol already to clean the laser lens) and start over. Generally the rule is that grease manufactured from a synthetic base stock is safe for plastics, right? Can I just use ordinary FLAPS white lithium grease? Is there something special about the stuff sold specifically for electronics applications that justifies the outrageous price for such a small quantity? (E.g., http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/20-1325) Any other advice on this job from the electronics and audio gurus on the list (Jim, Mitch, etc.)? Thanks! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo, et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
as long as it's not available to animals who tend to drink it - while it breaks down - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze It's perfectly safe to pour anti-freeze down the drain - it will dilute microbes will break it down. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze I am replacing the water pump on the truck, drained the Deathcool, caught most of it. We live on the marsh, have a septic system, I am thinking it probably wouldn't be a good idea to put it down the septic? I can take it into town and pour it in a toilet to the sewer, or to the auto parts store if they collect it. Any thoughts on best disposal method? GM decided to thread the fan/clutch assembly onto the water pump shaft, no apparent way to get it off when on the truck, jammed a screwdriver in the impellers once I removed the whole deal and the back of the water pump, beat on an adj wrench on the big nut, finally got it loose. There is a pulley on the shaft flange but the fan assy is not bolted to it like on the Benz. Score one for the Germans. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Hi Peter - re: more on the engine used with WVO - the lab I use hasn't seen enough WVO oil samples to know what the long term effects of using WVO are - they just haven't seen sufficient samples to create a unique set of information specifically for WVO engines. It's possible the WVO is causing the high numbers depending on the makeup of the WVO - it's likely WVO was obtained from a number of sources and some may not have been as pure as others or the base stoc could have come from unknown sources. There's too many variables. BTW. the lab I use has been doing this for nearly 50 years and has many commercial customers as well as car users. I assume it's possible the WVO wasn't used to process food? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels
OK Don wrote: The 2009 ML320 BlueTEC will be eligible for up to a $900 maximum credit while the R320 BlueTEC merits up to $1,550 and the GL320 BlueTEC tops out at $1,800. Don't you just love government incentive programs that pay people to buy SUVs? Same thing for the cars, a Ford Escape gets a lot more credit than a Honda Civic, and the Prius got more than the Insight when the credits were introduced. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels
Hi Folks, Oops! Yours isn't Blue-Tec, is it? Love, Pop http://www.kbb.com/KBB/green-cars/articles.aspx?BlogPostId=712r=24462669476 751464 A trio of super-clean, 50-state BlueTEC Mercedes-Benz diesel vehicles has become the latest to qualify for federal alternative-powertrain tax credits from the IRS. The 2009 ML320 BlueTEC will be eligible for up to a $900 maximum credit while the R320 BlueTEC merits up to $1,550 and the GL320 BlueTEC tops out at $1,800. Although those breaks will only be available on the first 60,000 units, an M-B spokesperson confirmed that the planned U.S. volumes for the three will not exceed that number next year. Since none of the three are set to arrive at dealers until October, neither pricing nor formal EPA numbers have been released. However, Mercedes indicated that each will carry a price premium of roughly $1,500 over its gasoline-engine counterpart, have fuel economy figures that are 20-30 percent greater and a cruising range in excess of 600 miles. Unlike the E320 CDI sedan, which does not meet the California emissions requirements, these new 50-state M-B diesel SUVs are equipped with Mercedes' AdBlue system that injects a precisely measured quantity of aqueous urea solution from an on-board reservoir into the exhaust that reduces nitrogen oxides to nitrogen and oxygen in a special catalytic converter. The AdBlue tank only needs to be refilled every 10,000 miles, which is done as part of the vehicle's routine maintenance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D update
5119K11 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:38:04 -0500 From: harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Curt What was the part number? I'm having trouble matching up what you have. Thanks Harry I got mine from McMaster Carr, they have an EXCELLENT website. Its like being able to go to the best hardware store ever and putter around until you find what you need. The stuff I got is all viton (not rubber ;) ) I bought 10 feet. Supposedly you need 3 feet (well 1 meter) per car. I have two cars... I got HIGH-TEMPERATURE VITON RUBBER TUBING, FIRM, 1/8 ID, 1/4 OD, 1/16 WALL, BLACK Which Luther (I think) recommended. 1/8 is 3.175mm. It feels thicker than the line its replacing, bends nicely without kinking and is overall quite pleasant to work with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
The antifreeze can be recycled, but it's also biodegradable and OK to put into the sewer. Not so sure about a septic system, guess it would be OK there too as long as you're not talking about huge quantities. The municipal sewer offers far more dilution though. Allan Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am replacing the water pump on the truck, drained the Deathcool, caught most of it. We live on the marsh, have a septic system, I am thinking it probably wouldn't be a good idea to put it down the septic? I can take it into town and pour it in a toilet to the sewer, or to the auto parts store if they collect it. Any thoughts on best disposal method? GM decided to thread the fan/clutch assembly onto the water pump shaft, no apparent way to get it off when on the truck, jammed a screwdriver in the impellers once I removed the whole deal and the back of the water pump, beat on an adj wrench on the big nut, finally got it loose. There is a pulley on the shaft flange but the fan assy is not bolted to it like on the Benz. Score one for the Germans. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Correct lube for plastic-to-plastic contact?
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LubriPlate is often used by repair shops, though I havnt' tried to source it in a long time. THe MB special grease for the sunroofs comes to mind as well - though I've not used it for anything else. LubriPlate has an online store... http://www.lubriplate.com/webstore/default.aspx I'm a fan of their Chain and Cable spray lube. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D update
Thanks Curt Harry 5119K11 Curt What was the part number? I'm having trouble matching up what you have. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels
Doesn't matter, has to be a new vehicle sale. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pop3.atlantic.net Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels Hi Folks, Oops! Yours isn't Blue-Tec, is it? Love, Pop http://www.kbb.com/KBB/green-cars/articles.aspx?BlogPostId=712r=24462669476 751464 A trio of super-clean, 50-state BlueTEC Mercedes-Benz diesel vehicles has become the latest to qualify for federal alternative-powertrain tax credits from the IRS. The 2009 ML320 BlueTEC will be eligible for up to a $900 maximum credit while the R320 BlueTEC merits up to $1,550 and the GL320 BlueTEC tops out at $1,800. Although those breaks will only be available on the first 60,000 units, an M-B spokesperson confirmed that the planned U.S. volumes for the three will not exceed that number next year. Since none of the three are set to arrive at dealers until October, neither pricing nor formal EPA numbers have been released. However, Mercedes indicated that each will carry a price premium of roughly $1,500 over its gasoline-engine counterpart, have fuel economy figures that are 20-30 percent greater and a cruising range in excess of 600 miles. Unlike the E320 CDI sedan, which does not meet the California emissions requirements, these new 50-state M-B diesel SUVs are equipped with Mercedes' AdBlue system that injects a precisely measured quantity of aqueous urea solution from an on-board reservoir into the exhaust that reduces nitrogen oxides to nitrogen and oxygen in a special catalytic converter. The AdBlue tank only needs to be refilled every 10,000 miles, which is done as part of the vehicle's routine maintenance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job
Folks who haven't worked a call center will probably not understand what its like... When I was in support it was VERY common during the late shift for folks to watch naughty material on their computers. The company turned a blind eye to it as the big effort was to make sure somebody was AWAKE at 2am... I was always sort of weirded out to wander around and hear somebody watching a porno and find a woman watching gay male porn... At 2am with low call volume people will do all sorts of things. Sometimes spouses or girlfriends/boyfriends would come in and entertain, sometimes coworkers would entertain each other. Crazy... By the time I came to a company where all this sort of stuff went on I was experienced enough I didn't have to work nights but once in awhile. The stories though, sometimes with pictures. We also have some customers that are producers of said material. Sometimes we'd have to go to their website for real actual work related reasons... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:47:54 -0500 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On break time? No, I cannot lie. This would be during regular work hours. I'm in a position where management is happy to see me not working (sort of like the Maytag man). When I work, I naturally spend money, which cuts into our profit. Could I do this on day shift? Probably not, and that is because the day shift usually has a much higher call volume. Tonight happens to be one of those nights that is very slow. My last call was 25 minutes ago, and we might have periods up to 1 hour without calls. Our supervisor (who works 8a-5p) has no problem if all calls and messages are handled in a timely manner, and all paperwork is completed. Everything else (legal, of course) is fair game. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
My comment earlier is that the WVO may have picked up iron from the fryer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Hi Peter - re: more on the engine used with WVO - the lab I use hasn't seen enough WVO oil samples to know what the long term effects of using WVO are - they just haven't seen sufficient samples to create a unique set of information specifically for WVO engines. It's possible the WVO is causing the high numbers depending on the makeup of the WVO - it's likely WVO was obtained from a number of sources and some may not have been as pure as others or the base stoc could have come from unknown sources. There's too many variables. BTW. the lab I use has been doing this for nearly 50 years and has many commercial customers as well as car users. I assume it's possible the WVO wasn't used to process food? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job
We're not THAT bad. People have been fired for porn on their computers or web surfing record. Computer games and movies are usually the norm. Luther Curt Raymond wrote: Folks who haven't worked a call center will probably not understand what its like... When I was in support it was VERY common during the late shift for folks to watch naughty material on their computers. The company turned a blind eye to it as the big effort was to make sure somebody was AWAKE at 2am... I was always sort of weirded out to wander around and hear somebody watching a porno and find a woman watching gay male porn... At 2am with low call volume people will do all sorts of things. Sometimes spouses or girlfriends/boyfriends would come in and entertain, sometimes coworkers would entertain each other. Crazy... By the time I came to a company where all this sort of stuff went on I was experienced enough I didn't have to work nights but once in awhile. The stories though, sometimes with pictures. We also have some customers that are producers of said material. Sometimes we'd have to go to their website for real actual work related reasons... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:47:54 -0500 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On break time? No, I cannot lie. This would be during regular work hours. I'm in a position where management is happy to see me not working (sort of like the Maytag man). When I work, I naturally spend money, which cuts into our profit. Could I do this on day shift? Probably not, and that is because the day shift usually has a much higher call volume. Tonight happens to be one of those nights that is very slow. My last call was 25 minutes ago, and we might have periods up to 1 hour without calls. Our supervisor (who works 8a-5p) has no problem if all calls and messages are handled in a timely manner, and all paperwork is completed. Everything else (legal, of course) is fair game. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
Not likely if you pour it down the sink. And even if your sink drains into an open water supply, the dilution will be such that there will be no harm to animals. I look down the street for people walking dogs before dumping my radiator onto the driveway with the garden hose running wide open. It runs down the driveway, down the street into the storm drain 2 houses down. I keep the hose running for about 15 minutes after. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze as long as it's not available to animals who tend to drink it - while it breaks down - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze It's perfectly safe to pour anti-freeze down the drain - it will dilute microbes will break it down. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze I am replacing the water pump on the truck, drained the Deathcool, caught most of it. We live on the marsh, have a septic system, I am thinking it probably wouldn't be a good idea to put it down the septic? I can take it into town and pour it in a toilet to the sewer, or to the auto parts store if they collect it. Any thoughts on best disposal method? GM decided to thread the fan/clutch assembly onto the water pump shaft, no apparent way to get it off when on the truck, jammed a screwdriver in the impellers once I removed the whole deal and the back of the water pump, beat on an adj wrench on the big nut, finally got it loose. There is a pulley on the shaft flange but the fan assy is not bolted to it like on the Benz. Score one for the Germans. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D update
Yahoo mail has about the strangest spam filters ever... Why are Harry's emails filtered but none of the other ones in this thread? I've even had it filter emails from people in my address book which its not supposed to do... Oh well, I guess you get what you pay for. -Curt --- On Mon, 10/27/08, harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 9:41 AM Thanks Curt Harry 5119K11 Curt What was the part number? I'm having trouble matching up what you have. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job
We had some great gaming tournaments. They've got a Wii now but a supervisor has to be present for it to come out. The idea is a supervisor will prove that the phones are really quiet and wait times aren't increasing. I think theres 2 or 3 points that have to be met (quiet phones, sufficient staffing). Yeah, you start working in the film and video industry and you see some odd stuff. Ask me about Lucky TV sometime. -Curt --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 9:50 AM We're not THAT bad. People have been fired for porn on their computers or web surfing record. Computer games and movies are usually the norm. Luther Curt Raymond wrote: Folks who haven't worked a call center will probably not understand what its like... When I was in support it was VERY common during the late shift for folks to watch naughty material on their computers. The company turned a blind eye to it as the big effort was to make sure somebody was AWAKE at 2am... I was always sort of weirded out to wander around and hear somebody watching a porno and find a woman watching gay male porn... At 2am with low call volume people will do all sorts of things. Sometimes spouses or girlfriends/boyfriends would come in and entertain, sometimes coworkers would entertain each other. Crazy... By the time I came to a company where all this sort of stuff went on I was experienced enough I didn't have to work nights but once in awhile. The stories though, sometimes with pictures. We also have some customers that are producers of said material. Sometimes we'd have to go to their website for real actual work related reasons... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:47:54 -0500 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On break time? No, I cannot lie. This would be during regular work hours. I'm in a position where management is happy to see me not working (sort of like the Maytag man). When I work, I naturally spend money, which cuts into our profit. Could I do this on day shift? Probably not, and that is because the day shift usually has a much higher call volume. Tonight happens to be one of those nights that is very slow. My last call was 25 minutes ago, and we might have periods up to 1 hour without calls. Our supervisor (who works 8a-5p) has no problem if all calls and messages are handled in a timely manner, and all paperwork is completed. Everything else (legal, of course) is fair game. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D diff continued
Took the car into Boston and back yesterday, the diff is NOTICABLY quieter. Even my wife commented. Last week I was keeping my max speed to about 65mph (with the radio on loud) as that seemed to be the sweet spot where it got quieter. Yesterday heading in we were late so I was running 75mph+. On the way home with the radio off (you know, like talking to each other) I kept hitting 75 and pulling back as I didn't want to get pulled over... I'm going to give it this week then drain and refill again (I'm reasonably sure I didn't get all of the old out) and see what happens, so far I'm very pleased. My 240D will get the treatment soon as well. Mobil 1 gear lube is expensive (about $8/qt) but I'm sold on it... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job
-- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ask me about Lucky TV sometime. -Curt Whats Lucky TV? Pete, who's too old to remember Lucky, I have to plan it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] outraged by the sham known as the BCS
Gary wrote: Think about the gauntlet that you have to run to win the SEC or the Big 12, vs the walkover that is the Big Ten. Yet, every year, we are subjected to a championship game featuring one of these third rate midwestern frauds. And we will likely again, despite the obvious fact that no team in the Big Ten would get out of the SEC or Big 12 with less than 3 of 4 losses. Gary, we rarely agree. But, this time you are right on the money. The Pac 10, Big 10 (with 11 teams), get the benefit of no conference championship and the SEC and Big 12 teams get hurt by this. Mizzou just last year is a perfect example. We were the #1 team in the country (having beat a previously undefeated Kansas team the last week of the season) and were set for the BCS championship. BUT, the big 12 has a conference championship and Oklahoma beat us. If we were in the big ten we would have taken the weeks off and gone on to play in the national championship. I guess the flip side is that whoever wins the SEC/Big 12 Championship has the best chances to play in the National Championship and they don't go into it and lose like Ohio State does so frequently. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
Curt Raymond wrote: Took the car into Boston and back yesterday, the diff is NOTICABLY quieter. Did the lube that came out look/smell like gear oil? If it was thin, it may have broken down somewhat, if it didn't smell of sulfur it may have been motor oil. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who needs one of these?
Ok don wrote: I suspect that there's little similarity between that waiter and the wealthiest top 2%. They both work hard for their money and don't want to give it away to be people who have not earned it. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job
I'm in training and we were scheduled to do a class at Lucky TV. I talked to my assistant and we decided it was either a Casino or a Pornographer. Unfortunately we were also scheduled to give a class at NBC (30 Rockafeller Center) the same day. My assistant will not train at 30 Rock so I had to go there and he goes to Lucky TV which is in LA. It turns out Lucky TV is the Lucky Brotherhood which is some sort of religion much like the Scientologists. While training Owen isn't allowed to address anybody by a proper noun, he has to call them brother, even the women... He has to wear robes they provide and eat with them. Owen (my assistant) is a hardcore meat eater and the vegetarian lunch about kills him. That night he has a steak dinner and has steak and eggs for breakfast to make up for it. When he goes in for class they give him a hard time for having meat on his breath. Owen is totally freaked out by the whole thing and I'm annoyed because I've spend a boring couple days at NBC. Now he says he'll go to NBC (which he HATES) rather than have to do a job like Lucky TV again. -Curt --- On Mon, 10/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:01 AM -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ask me about Lucky TV sometime. -Curt Whats Lucky TV? Pete, who's too old to remember Lucky, I have to plan it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
It smelled right (horrible that is) but was very thick. Does gear oil ever thicken as it breaks down? It was deep deep brown, like molassas but not as thick. -Curt --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:05 AM Curt Raymond wrote: Took the car into Boston and back yesterday, the diff is NOTICABLY quieter. Did the lube that came out look/smell like gear oil? If it was thin, it may have broken down somewhat, if it didn't smell of sulfur it may have been motor oil. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels
'Had tax credit for my '80 240D for several years when it was new. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels OK Don wrote: The 2009 ML320 BlueTEC will be eligible for up to a $900 maximum credit while the R320 BlueTEC merits up to $1,550 and the GL320 BlueTEC tops out at $1,800. Don't you just love government incentive programs that pay people to buy SUVs? Same thing for the cars, a Ford Escape gets a lot more credit than a Honda Civic, and the Prius got more than the Insight when the credits were introduced. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] what a difference a fuel filter makes
Back last night from western kansas. AFter the turbo replacement, wife says the 140 was sluggish at times for the first few miles in the morning. On the way up, I noticed it would fall on its face when trying to pass or whatever. Seemed like a fuel filter problem maybe. Being in western ks, its in the middle of nowhere, no mb parts around. Called the local napa in hugoton (nearest town about 17 miles away), they ordered them and had them there the next day. On the way back, big difference. Fuel mileage was also much improved. Never been able to get over 21-22 with that car. Got 21 on the way up. Got 26 on the way back. Never seen that high of mpg with that car. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
No oil, mobile one or otherwise, is going to improve a howling rear end. Curt Raymond wrote: Changed the oil in the diff on my 190D today. If you remember its howling, its gotten worse too... This is an easy job, 15 minutes the first time 10 thereafter. I put the car up on ramps, the 190D is hard to get under... My driveway is sloped slightly which probably caused me to not drain out all the oil. I only got a bit over a full quart (1.2 maybe) in before it started draining back out. The stuff that came out was filthy. I thought my Indy had changed it but now that I remember our conversation I think maybe he just checked it for level. He's an old school mechanic and I don't think he believes in Mobil 1. I should point out that I had to top up the engine oil while I was at it and the car is now consuming a quart in 5,000 miles which is well improved from a quart in 2,000 when I first converted to Mobil 1. Anyway I've got to go into Boston tonight, thats maybe 150 miles round trip. Will see if this makes any difference. As usual I don't expect a short term improvement (maybe since the old stuff was dirty) but will look for long term gains. I'll probably change again next week since I'm sure I didn't get it all out. Maybe turn the car around so the ass end is downhill. I had it uphill today as it rained yesterday but the ground had already dried by the garage. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job
Dont you have internet on your desktop anyway? Luther wrote: We discovered yesterday that they have installed WiFi with unblocked access to the internet. Several of us working nights now are bringing our laptops. Online video...CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, etc! :) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CDI hits 80k
Driven the car a little over 13k miles now... So far I've only received one speeding ticket! Overall, I'm still very happy with the car. If I had to do it all over again, I would have made a decision to buy one before I ever walked onto a dealer's lot... since mine has a few small rock nicks on the front bumper, etc. Could have gotten one that was cleaner for $500-1000 more plus some of my time. Oh well. Live and learn I suppose! A few things have manifested themselves mechanically though... The hydraulic fluid from the engine mounts has leaked out (same basic design as the OM603 mounts), but you only really notice when the car shuts off. There is a barely noticeable, high pitched whistle at 55mph. With the radio on the lowest volume you can't hear it, but it's still there. The transmission fluid needs changed. It's supposed to be a lifetime fluid, but we all know that's BS! There are a few big ones though! :( -- The car knocks for a 1/4 second if you get on it from a stop, and will sporadically knock (not constant, just a ping here and there) at high loads and low RPMs. Going up hills in a parking lot type of thing. I think it is a sensor since there are a few other little quirks that scream sensor to me. Once you get above 1300 RPM or so problem disappears (I can drive all over town and never go above 2k). -- The bearing for the clutch compressor is noisy. With the A/C engaged it's silent. With it disengaged it makes a slight rattling sound. Not enough to sound like it is going to break apart at any moment, but enough to be noticeable outside the car. I could've had this problem since I bought the car, but 98% of the time I've used the A/C so have never heard it. The clutch is solid in the front (when the clutch is disengaged there is no stationary part in the front), so I don't know if it is replaceable by itself or not. I'll be watching this closely so I won't end up on the side of the road if it grenades! For a car with 80k miles this really isn't all that bad! The only thing that isn't normal maintenance or freak failure (A/C) is the knocking. If that's injectors... I'm probably going to order the W211 manuals on DVD this month, so I should be able to troubleshoot the problem, and hopefully find a failing sensor. An interesting note... I think the car gets better mileage at 70+ than at 55-60. If nothing else, it stays the same. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
I assume that will disable the cetnral locking system - correct? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can a leaky trunklock vacuum element cause a 1985 300CD to run on and on? Plug the feed to the yellow line under the hood. That's the lock system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who needs one of these?
I don't think there is a way to trace your individual tax $$s to ensutre that the money goes only to worthy programs or individuals... On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok don wrote: I suspect that there's little similarity between that waiter and the wealthiest top 2%. They both work hard for their money and don't want to give it away to be people who have not earned it. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: CTS-V Tested + Top 10 U.S. Sedans + Spy Shots + Merger Mania = Read Now
CTS-V Tested + Top 10 U.S. Sedans + Spy Shots + Merger Mania=Read Now - Original Message - From: Winding Road To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: CTS-V Tested + Top 10 U.S. Sedans + Spy Shots + Merger Mania = Read Now If you are unable to see the message below, click here to view. IN THIS E-MAIL: Deconstructed Unguzzle Supercars Design Auto Shows Popular Culture Hot Topics My Dashboard Change Preferences Give Feedback The December '08 issue of Winding Road is ready! ROAD TESTS a.. Passat CC b.. BMW 330D c.. Kia Borrego SPY SHOTS a.. Suzuki Kizashi b.. Saab 9-4X c.. Porsche Cayman (next gen) d.. 2009 Nissan 370z INSIDE THIS MONTH'S WINDING ROAD Big Daddy Caddy In just its second iteration, GM's Cadillac CTS-V brings big horsepower and serious refinement in its attack on the sport sedan establishment. Read article » Paris Motor Show Chronicling the production and concept debuts that matter from one of Europe's most fashionable auto shows. Read article » America's Top Ten Sport Sedans Trying to determine the ten best Yankee sport sedans from the past 25 years is harder than you think. Read article » Graves of Auto Heroes Morbid curiosity leads us to check in on the final resting places of the world's automotive pioneers. Read article » Rolls-Royce Coupe Matt Davis dons his smoking jacket in preparation for driving one of the world's most indulgent coupes. Read article » Back to top DECONSTRUCTED VWGMCNRTF? VW-GM-Chrysler-Nissan-Renault-Tata-Ford doesn't really have a ring to it, does it? Amidst the news that broke last week about talks ongoing between GM and Chrysler about a potential merger, we have been thinking about where a lot of our favorite vehicle nameplates and brands are headed. We could be in for a wave of brand mergers unlike any we've seen in history. Like the old bumper sticker says, consolidations happen. Inside and around that ebb and flow, some brands will die, some will be sold, and some will soldier on. Here's a short list of changes we wish we could make, with the hope of some of our favorite brands living to see another day. Name What it needs now Who we'd like to see manage it Dodge Charger Interior refinement, steering Ford Saab A return to Swedish roots, driving verve, no platform sharing Itself (privately owned) Saturn Family-focused vehicles that lead in safety and convenience, no platform sharing Nissan/Renault Smart ForTwo Simplified transmission, more useful interior space Mazda Read the full story » Back to top -- THIS WEEK IN PICTURES Share a picture Share a Video UNGUZZLE Audi Confirms A3 TDI For U.S. in 2009 Hard at work racking up high mpg numbers on Audi's epic TDI drive across the country, our own Chris Paukert has managed to sniff out some juicy details regarding a new derv-burner that's headed State-side. Audi officials have confirmed that the A3 2.0 TDI, in front-drive configuration only, will be headed to the U.S. market as soon as next fall for the 2010 model year. The A3 diesel will run the same basic engine as found in the current Volkswagen Jetta TDI, which manages to get away with not using urea injection technology because of lower NOx emissions. Read the full story » First Drive: 2009 Audi TT 2.0 TDI (Europe-only) This was indeed a nice surprise. After spending the past four days behind the wheel of a Q7 3.0 TDI in the Audi Mileage Marathon, we were given the opportunity to drive around in the not-for-America TT 2.0 TDI. Audi has talked a lot about how it wants to convey the message that diesel-powered cars can be sports cars, too. If the TT isn't enough proof for all of the nay-sayers, just look at the R10 TDI Le Mans car, which takes home win after win. In fact, the Audi folks are running the R10 on pure bio-diesel these days. Read the full story » Back to top SUPERCARS TechArt Porsche Wants to Eat Your Children As if a standard Porsche 911 isn't intimidating enough a sight in your rearview mirror, this custom-painted TechArt GTstreet has a voracious-looking mouth to accompany its supercar-eating abilities. Apparently this is Claus Ettensberger's (of CEC wheels) personal car, and it ran in this summer's Bull Run. Assuming this is a bog-standard GTstreet, it packs 630 horsepower and 600+ pound-feet of torque. That, combined with aero and suspension tweaks means that this car's WWII
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
I'd have agreed with you before yesterday... Its definately quieter. I wish I had some objective measure to put it against but I don't know how you could so my subjective impression will have to do. I was even more impressed as my wife actually noticed. Usually the car has to be on fire before she actually notices a change. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:43:17 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No oil, mobile one or otherwise, is going to improve a howling rear end. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job
I used to play poker on Sunday and win big. Then I would go home have a few more beers and lose it all back. I agree people who work the night shift should get more leeway. Of course at a nuke plant all bets are off but I hear most companies have unlimited cell data plans these days -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: Folks who haven't worked a call center will probably not understand what its like... When I was in support it was VERY common during the late shift for folks to watch naughty material on their computers. The company turned a blind eye to it as the big effort was to make sure somebody was AWAKE at 2am... I was always sort of weirded out to wander around and hear somebody watching a porno and find a woman watching gay male porn... At 2am with low call volume people will do all sorts of things. Sometimes spouses or girlfriends/boyfriends would come in and entertain, sometimes coworkers would entertain each other. Crazy... By the time I came to a company where all this sort of stuff went on I was experienced enough I didn't have to work nights but once in awhile. The stories though, sometimes with pictures. We also have some customers that are producers of said material. Sometimes we'd have to go to their website for real actual work related reasons... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:47:54 -0500 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On break time? No, I cannot lie. This would be during regular work hours. I'm in a position where management is happy to see me not working (sort of like the Maytag man). When I work, I naturally spend money, which cuts into our profit. Could I do this on day shift? Probably not, and that is because the day shift usually has a much higher call volume. Tonight happens to be one of those nights that is very slow. My last call was 25 minutes ago, and we might have periods up to 1 hour without calls. Our supervisor (who works 8a-5p) has no problem if all calls and messages are handled in a timely manner, and all paperwork is completed. Everything else (legal, of course) is fair game. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
Usually howling is due to wear. Oil change will not undo wear. Maybe it was something else causing your noise. Curt Raymond wrote: I'd have agreed with you before yesterday... Its definately quieter. I wish I had some objective measure to put it against but I don't know how you could so my subjective impression will have to do. I was even more impressed as my wife actually noticed. Usually the car has to be on fire before she actually notices a change. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:43:17 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No oil, mobile one or otherwise, is going to improve a howling rear end. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Joe the reporter
Interesting. Joe the small town reporter needs your help http://blog.ragan.com/prjunkie/2008/10/joe_the_small_town_reporter_ne.html Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
Agreed. Maybe adjusting the preload on the pinion, but Mobil 1 will just get dirty very fast and need to be changed repeatedly if the diff fluid was old beofre it comes out clean. Howling could be wheel bearings. Regards, Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:43:17 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update No oil, mobile one or otherwise, is going to improve a howling rear end. Curt Raymond wrote: Changed the oil in the diff on my 190D today. If you remember its howling, its gotten worse too... This is an easy job, 15 minutes the first time 10 thereafter. I put the car up on ramps, the 190D is hard to get under... My driveway is sloped slightly which probably caused me to not drain out all the oil. I only got a bit over a full quart (1.2 maybe) in before it started draining back out. The stuff that came out was filthy. I thought my Indy had changed it but now that I remember our conversation I think maybe he just checked it for level. He's an old school mechanic and I don't think he believes in Mobil 1. I should point out that I had to top up the engine oil while I was at it and the car is now consuming a quart in 5,000 miles which is well improved from a quart in 2,000 when I first converted to Mobil 1. Anyway I've got to go into Boston tonight, thats maybe 150 miles round trip. Will see if this makes any difference. As usual I don't expect a short term improvement (maybe since the old stuff was dirty) but will look for long term gains. I'll probably change again next week since I'm sure I didn't get it all out. Maybe turn the car around so the ass end is downhill. I had it uphill today as it rained yesterday but the ground had already dried by the garage. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Craigslist 83 84 MECEDES 300SD for sale
http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/870780033.html Two cars for $1400 in Mountain View MO. But they are not W123s, so I'm not interested. (maybe I should be...) Kaleb, these are almost in your back yard. *smile* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
'Just getting started - my '87 300D had 82k when I got it 4 years ago - 'still nearly showroom and only 22 years. Wilton - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k Driven the car a little over 13k miles now... So far I've only received one speeding ticket! Overall, I'm still very happy with the car. If I had to do it all over again, I would have made a decision to buy one before I ever walked onto a dealer's lot... since mine has a few small rock nicks on the front bumper, etc. Could have gotten one that was cleaner for $500-1000 more plus some of my time. Oh well. Live and learn I suppose! A few things have manifested themselves mechanically though... The hydraulic fluid from the engine mounts has leaked out (same basic design as the OM603 mounts), but you only really notice when the car shuts off. There is a barely noticeable, high pitched whistle at 55mph. With the radio on the lowest volume you can't hear it, but it's still there. The transmission fluid needs changed. It's supposed to be a lifetime fluid, but we all know that's BS! There are a few big ones though! :( -- The car knocks for a 1/4 second if you get on it from a stop, and will sporadically knock (not constant, just a ping here and there) at high loads and low RPMs. Going up hills in a parking lot type of thing. I think it is a sensor since there are a few other little quirks that scream sensor to me. Once you get above 1300 RPM or so problem disappears (I can drive all over town and never go above 2k). -- The bearing for the clutch compressor is noisy. With the A/C engaged it's silent. With it disengaged it makes a slight rattling sound. Not enough to sound like it is going to break apart at any moment, but enough to be noticeable outside the car. I could've had this problem since I bought the car, but 98% of the time I've used the A/C so have never heard it. The clutch is solid in the front (when the clutch is disengaged there is no stationary part in the front), so I don't know if it is replaceable by itself or not. I'll be watching this closely so I won't end up on the side of the road if it grenades! For a car with 80k miles this really isn't all that bad! The only thing that isn't normal maintenance or freak failure (A/C) is the knocking. If that's injectors... I'm probably going to order the W211 manuals on DVD this month, so I should be able to troubleshoot the problem, and hopefully find a failing sensor. An interesting note... I think the car gets better mileage at 70+ than at 55-60. If nothing else, it stays the same. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
Yep, but it should allow the engine shutoff to work. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on... I assume that will disable the cetnral locking system - correct? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can a leaky trunklock vacuum element cause a 1985 300CD to run on and on? Plug the feed to the yellow line under the hood. That's the lock system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels
What about tax credits for those of us who are forced to pay exorbitant prices for diesel fuel while those with gas guzzling SUVs using regular unleaded gasoline pay considerably less? G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- The car knocks for a 1/4 second if you get on it from a stop, and will sporadically knock (not constant, just a ping here and there) at high loads and low RPMs. Going up hills in a parking lot type of thing. Strikes me as funny to talk about a diesel knocking as if it's a BAD thing. (Isn't knock, in a spark-ignition sense, what compression-ignition engines do by design?) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Strikes me as funny to talk about a diesel knocking as if it's a BAD thing. (Isn't knock, in a spark-ignition sense, what compression-ignition engines do by design?) I was thinking a prechamber problem or injector nailing. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
He needs to switch to premium and check his timing! --R Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- The car knocks for a 1/4 second if you get on it from a stop, and will sporadically knock (not constant, just a ping here and there) at high loads and low RPMs. Going up hills in a parking lot type of thing. Strikes me as funny to talk about a diesel knocking as if it's a BAD thing. (Isn't knock, in a spark-ignition sense, what compression-ignition engines do by design?) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
Mitch Haley wrote: I was thinking a prechamber problem or injector nailing. Oops, I thought this was on the Two SDs for $1200 thread. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Convertible Top Sale
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W107 Soft Top all colors ONLY $450.00 Genuine MB canvas I have the Tex seat covers on sales too! Thanks, Rusty, for completely blowing my budget! Ethelred has changed to a not-for-profit endeavor, I guess. So how much are you hoping to sell this particular albatross for, and when? A new coworker and I were talking old cars; she mentioned that her mother had always wanted one of those cute little Mercedes convertibles and was amazed when I told her how cheaply they can be had these days... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
My gasoline suburban is finally wearing out and falling apart. And it doesn't even have gone 400,000 miles yet! But rather than repair/revive a 1/2 ton gasoline I would like a 3/4 ton diesel. But I don't have any experience with GM diesel engines. So I'm hoping the list can instruct me on the pluses and minuses of the 6.2 and the 6.5 engine. I know the 6.2 has no turbo from the factory. What about durability? Fuel consumption? Etc. Anyone know of a Cummins power, manual transmission suburban for sale cheap? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels
Glenn wrote: How about tax credits for those of us who are forced to pay exorbitant prices for diesel fuel while those with gas guzzling SUVs using regular unleaded gasoline pay considerably less? Why don't you buy a gas guzzling SUV that uses regular unleaded. I have one, want to buy it? Think of all the money you will save on fuel (per gallon that is). Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Strikes me as funny to talk about a diesel knocking as if it's a BAD thing. (Isn't knock, in a spark-ignition sense, what compression-ignition engines do by design?) That is correct. However, doing it more than normal isn't a good thing!! Think of what the OM60x and OM61x sound like when the timing is too advanced. Since it is electronically controlled it shouldn't sound like that... I'm thinking either the sensors for the computer to determine the electronic advance are messed up or the pre-injection isn't working properly (aka, injector problems). I really don't want to know how much new injectors cost. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist 83 84 MECEDES 300SD for sale
And about $398 too expensive... On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/870780033.html Two cars for $1400 in Mountain View MO. But they are not W123s, so I'm not interested. (maybe I should be...) Kaleb, these are almost in your back yard. *smile* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
My Indy spent some time with it running on the lift and says he's pretty sure its the diff. It seems unlikely to me that it would immediately get quieter when changing to Mobil 1 if it were wheel bearings. It is a bearing kind of sound though... My Indy wants to change the diff. I found a shop I think will be able to rebuild it without screwing it up but I need to get my 240D ready before I can do it. The Mobil 1 is somewhat of a delaying action. The next time I change it (this weekend), I'll poke the topsider in there and slurp around to get as much as possible out. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:45:11 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Agreed. Maybe adjusting the preload on the pinion, but Mobil 1 will just get dirty very fast and need to be changed repeatedly if the diff fluid was old beofre it comes out clean. Howling could be wheel bearings. Regards, Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
The 6.2 is pretty decent. Not a power house by any means. In a burb it will get 17 all day long, maybe even better. The 6.5 is a turbo and will have more power. Big problem with those is the electronic IP goes bad. Usually its the controller on the side of the pump but sometimes the pump itself. For more info check out gm-diesel.com Fmiser wrote: My gasoline suburban is finally wearing out and falling apart. And it doesn't even have gone 400,000 miles yet! But rather than repair/revive a 1/2 ton gasoline I would like a 3/4 ton diesel. But I don't have any experience with GM diesel engines. So I'm hoping the list can instruct me on the pluses and minuses of the 6.2 and the 6.5 engine. I know the 6.2 has no turbo from the factory. What about durability? Fuel consumption? Etc. Anyone know of a Cummins power, manual transmission suburban for sale cheap? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
John, I noticed this on my 05 just a few days ago @45K miles. A friend of mine with an 05 with 45K had an injector go out this year so I guess I should get ready to drop the car off soon. John On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:05 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Strikes me as funny to talk about a diesel knocking as if it's a BAD thing. (Isn't knock, in a spark-ignition sense, what compression-ignition engines do by design?) That is correct. However, doing it more than normal isn't a good thing!! Think of what the OM60x and OM61x sound like when the timing is too advanced. Since it is electronically controlled it shouldn't sound like that... I'm thinking either the sensors for the computer to determine the electronic advance are messed up or the pre-injection isn't working properly (aka, injector problems). I really don't want to know how much new injectors cost. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
May be a good time to flush with a cleaner of some kind. Harry My Indy spent some time with it running on the lift and says he's pretty sure its the diff. It seems unlikely to me that it would immediately get quieter when changing to Mobil 1 if it were wheel bearings. It is a bearing kind of sound though... My Indy wants to change the diff. I found a shop I think will be able to rebuild it without screwing it up but I need to get my 240D ready before I can do it. The Mobil 1 is somewhat of a delaying action. The next time I change it (this weekend), I'll poke the topsider in there and slurp around to get as much as possible out. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
I was thinking that also but if I'm having trouble getting all the gear oil out it seems like I'd have the same trouble getting the cleaner out... Then I thought maybe I'd use regular gear oil as a flush and then go to Mobil 1. Then I thought what the heck, I'll be a big shot and just change the Mobil 1 until it comes out nice and honey colored like it went in. Then I'll check it again in a month and if its still nice looking I'll call it good. I took the car into town today and the noise is still way quieter, at speeds below 50mph its pretty much not noticable at all... I did notice the sound is worse (still) when the car is cold. I wonder if maybe the old gear oil was too thick and not lubricating well when cold. Strange it was fine for 3 years though... -Curt --- On Mon, 10/27/08, harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:44 PM May be a good time to flush with a cleaner of some kind. Harry My Indy spent some time with it running on the lift and says he's pretty sure its the diff. It seems unlikely to me that it would immediately get quieter when changing to Mobil 1 if it were wheel bearings. It is a bearing kind of sound though... My Indy wants to change the diff. I found a shop I think will be able to rebuild it without screwing it up but I need to get my 240D ready before I can do it. The Mobil 1 is somewhat of a delaying action. The next time I change it (this weekend), I'll poke the topsider in there and slurp around to get as much as possible out. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
Anything is possible. I did not see the condition of the old lube. In my experience with syn gear lube both in foreign and domestic rear ends if the diff wss dirty it will need to be changed repeatedly before it stays honey colored for any length of time. There are plenty of good used diffs. I would probably try a swap before a rebuild. Regards, Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:55 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com; harry watkins[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update I was thinking that also but if I'm having trouble getting all the gear oil out it seems like I'd have the same trouble getting the cleaner out... Then I thought maybe I'd use regular gear oil as a flush and then go to Mobil 1. Then I thought what the heck, I'll be a big shot and just change the Mobil 1 until it comes out nice and honey colored like it went in. Then I'll check it again in a month and if its still nice looking I'll call it good. I took the car into town today and the noise is still way quieter, at speeds below 50mph its pretty much not noticable at all... I did notice the sound is worse (still) when the car is cold. I wonder if maybe the old gear oil was too thick and not lubricating well when cold. Strange it was fine for 3 years though... -Curt --- On Mon, 10/27/08, harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:44 PM May be a good time to flush with a cleaner of some kind. Harry My Indy spent some time with it running on the lift and says he's pretty sure its the diff. It seems unlikely to me that it would immediately get quieter when changing to Mobil 1 if it were wheel bearings. It is a bearing kind of sound though... My Indy wants to change the diff. I found a shop I think will be able to rebuild it without screwing it up but I need to get my 240D ready before I can do it. The Mobil 1 is somewhat of a delaying action. The next time I change it (this weekend), I'll poke the topsider in there and slurp around to get as much as possible out. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
It seems than at Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:21:45 -0500, Kaleb wrote: The 6.2 is pretty decent. Not a power house by any means. In a burb it will get 17 all day long, maybe even better. That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. The 6.5 is a turbo and will have more power. Big problem with those is the electronic IP goes bad. Usually its the controller on the side of the pump but sometimes the pump itself. For more info check out gm-diesel.com Thanks for the link. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI noises
...The transmission fluid needs changed. It's supposed to be a lifetime fluid, but we all know that's BS!.. MB changed their mind about that in 2005 and I have seen the MB document mandating change at 38K miles. If your torque converter has no drain plug, you can drain only half of it which is better than nothing. Ignore this at your peril. My 2001 C-320 had no drain (so I changed half of it) but my 2008 C-300 7-speed does. -- The bearing for the clutch compressor is noisy. With the A/C engaged it's silent. With it disengaged it makes a slight rattling sound. Not enough to sound like it is going to break apart at any moment, but enough to be noticeable outside the car.-- I don't think your compressor has a clutch. My '01 W203's compressor was a variable swashplate unit and flow was controlled as required by the AC's computer. It engages and disengages slowly and you never feel it, unlike the compressors with clutches. My '08's AC system is completely unobtrusive and I leave it on all the time. Personally, I think the idea of deferred repairs is the road to ruin. RLE ** Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
The only replacement 2.2l 5spd manual rear diff I've found was $450. I'd like to at least price a rebuild before going that route. Fred found one from an early 190E thats a close but slightly lower ratio, I'd asked on here about trying it but nobody seemed to have any opinion. -Curt --- On Mon, 10/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:55 PM Anything is possible. I did not see the condition of the old lube. In my experience with syn gear lube both in foreign and domestic rear ends if the diff wss dirty it will need to be changed repeatedly before it stays honey colored for any length of time. There are plenty of good used diffs. I would probably try a swap before a rebuild. Regards, Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:55 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com; harry watkins[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update I was thinking that also but if I'm having trouble getting all the gear oil out it seems like I'd have the same trouble getting the cleaner out... Then I thought maybe I'd use regular gear oil as a flush and then go to Mobil 1. Then I thought what the heck, I'll be a big shot and just change the Mobil 1 until it comes out nice and honey colored like it went in. Then I'll check it again in a month and if its still nice looking I'll call it good. I took the car into town today and the noise is still way quieter, at speeds below 50mph its pretty much not noticable at all... I did notice the sound is worse (still) when the car is cold. I wonder if maybe the old gear oil was too thick and not lubricating well when cold. Strange it was fine for 3 years though... -Curt --- On Mon, 10/27/08, harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:44 PM May be a good time to flush with a cleaner of some kind. Harry My Indy spent some time with it running on the lift and says he's pretty sure its the diff. It seems unlikely to me that it would immediately get quieter when changing to Mobil 1 if it were wheel bearings. It is a bearing kind of sound though... My Indy wants to change the diff. I found a shop I think will be able to rebuild it without screwing it up but I need to get my 240D ready before I can do it. The Mobil 1 is somewhat of a delaying action. The next time I change it (this weekend), I'll poke the topsider in there and slurp around to get as much as possible out. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1999 E320 4-Matic starting problem
Hi all, My E320 starts fine on some day and then some day it would not start, just tack tack tack and would not turn over. I like to know the problem and if possible which part to replace from you all wisdom. When it refuse to starts, it didn't matter how many times I tried it. There is NO check engine light and I replaced it with the MB battery just 2 days ago (not Interstate or others). Even with new battery, it still did not start. The only trick is to turn off the ignition and wait 5 minutes, starts the car while depressing the gas pedal. Today it started fine and then at the traffic light, it just quits and would not starts. Then I had to go back to the trick to get it going. The car status 1993, original starter, 94K miles, fuel filter was changed at 60K about 4 yrs ago. My guess is fuel filter. Thanks for your input. K.S. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1999 E320 4-Matic starting problem
Try the ground strap - usually a heavy woven piece of copper that runs from the eng/trans connection to the chassis. Different models have different locations. When it starts take it to AutoZone, etc and have them test your starting system - they may find something. Given the intermittant nature I'd suspect the ground strap - assuming you had the battery cables tightened when the battery was replaced? It could also be the starter solinoid - Good luck - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Hursley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1999 E320 4-Matic starting problem Hi all, My E320 starts fine on some day and then some day it would not start, just tack tack tack and would not turn over. I like to know the problem and if possible which part to replace from you all wisdom. When it refuse to starts, it didn't matter how many times I tried it. There is NO check engine light and I replaced it with the MB battery just 2 days ago (not Interstate or others). Even with new battery, it still did not start. The only trick is to turn off the ignition and wait 5 minutes, starts the car while depressing the gas pedal. Today it started fine and then at the traffic light, it just quits and would not starts. Then I had to go back to the trick to get it going. The car status 1993, original starter, 94K miles, fuel filter was changed at 60K about 4 yrs ago. My guess is fuel filter. Thanks for your input. K.S. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It seems than at Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:21:45 -0500, Kaleb wrote: The 6.2 is pretty decent. Not a power house by any means. In a burb it will get 17 all day long, maybe even better. That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Hi Tom - I saw your comment - and I wasn't ignoring your contribution - I think you're correct -- I do wonder what other kinds of junk it (the WVO) might be picking up at the resturants while sitting around waiting to be picked up. Take care -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem My comment earlier is that the WVO may have picked up iron from the fryer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Hi Peter - re: more on the engine used with WVO - the lab I use hasn't seen enough WVO oil samples to know what the long term effects of using WVO are - they just haven't seen sufficient samples to create a unique set of information specifically for WVO engines. It's possible the WVO is causing the high numbers depending on the makeup of the WVO - it's likely WVO was obtained from a number of sources and some may not have been as pure as others or the base stoc could have come from unknown sources. There's too many variables. BTW. the lab I use has been doing this for nearly 50 years and has many commercial customers as well as car users. I assume it's possible the WVO wasn't used to process food? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
Allan Streib wrote: Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Good point, a station near me gets 2.52 for 87 octane, 2.72 for 93 octane, and 3.70 for winterized #2. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
Allan, let's ASSuME we're only talking about cost of fuel here, not all other costs,... the answer is: maybe,... $1/G more than *what*? isn't this just a math question? without knowing all the variables we can't have a yes-or-no answer. seems to me if the percentage of cost difference of the costs of the fuels is less than the percentage difference of the MPG, yes, it could be cheaper even if the fuel costs $1/G more. cheers! e Allan Streib wrote: That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels
'Zackly what I've been saying for years. Wilton - Original Message - From: Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] Tax credits for Diesels What about tax credits for those of us who are forced to pay exorbitant prices for diesel fuel while those with gas guzzling SUVs using regular unleaded gasoline pay considerably less? G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
Hi Tom, I;m sure you're right - I wonder about some people who might not be so careful ;-) Came across a guy one day in a parking lot - it was the construction lot for a large project - basically dirt - anyway - there was a large pool of oil - I asked if he had a serious leak - he said, nope, just changing the oil. He dumped it on the ground then poured in the new stuff. I have a lot of problems with extreme environmentalism - but this was bad -- Years ago of course - early 70s I think - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze Not likely if you pour it down the sink. And even if your sink drains into an open water supply, the dilution will be such that there will be no harm to animals. I look down the street for people walking dogs before dumping my radiator onto the driveway with the garden hose running wide open. It runs down the driveway, down the street into the storm drain 2 houses down. I keep the hose running for about 15 minutes after. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze as long as it's not available to animals who tend to drink it - while it breaks down - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze It's perfectly safe to pour anti-freeze down the drain - it will dilute microbes will break it down. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze I am replacing the water pump on the truck, drained the Deathcool, caught most of it. We live on the marsh, have a septic system, I am thinking it probably wouldn't be a good idea to put it down the septic? I can take it into town and pour it in a toilet to the sewer, or to the auto parts store if they collect it. Any thoughts on best disposal method? GM decided to thread the fan/clutch assembly onto the water pump shaft, no apparent way to get it off when on the truck, jammed a screwdriver in the impellers once I removed the whole deal and the back of the water pump, beat on an adj wrench on the big nut, finally got it loose. There is a pulley on the shaft flange but the fan assy is not bolted to it like on the Benz. Score one for the Germans. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
The original poster seemed mostly concerned about MPG, I was simply pointing out that there was more to the equation than that. ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Allan, let's ASSuME we're only talking about cost of fuel here, not all other costs,... the answer is: maybe,... $1/G more than *what*? isn't this just a math question? without knowing all the variables we can't have a yes-or-no answer. seems to me if the percentage of cost difference of the costs of the fuels is less than the percentage difference of the MPG, yes, it could be cheaper even if the fuel costs $1/G more. cheers! e Allan Streib wrote: That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
When I was a kid my grandmother would pray for the day the road oil guy would come by and spray down the gravel lane with used motor oil. Without it the dust was unbelievable in the hot dry summer. My uncle worked at a tractor dealer, he would collect 5 gal cans of old oil, hyd fluid, whatever, and come dump them out on the road in between the gummint applications. I guess they don't do that anymore. --R LarryT wrote: Hi Tom, I;m sure you're right - I wonder about some people who might not be so careful ;-) Came across a guy one day in a parking lot - it was the construction lot for a large project - basically dirt - anyway - there was a large pool of oil - I asked if he had a serious leak - he said, nope, just changing the oil. He dumped it on the ground then poured in the new stuff. I have a lot of problems with extreme environmentalism - but this was bad -- Years ago of course - early 70s I think - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze Not likely if you pour it down the sink. And even if your sink drains into an open water supply, the dilution will be such that there will be no harm to animals. I look down the street for people walking dogs before dumping my radiator onto the driveway with the garden hose running wide open. It runs down the driveway, down the street into the storm drain 2 houses down. I keep the hose running for about 15 minutes after. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze as long as it's not available to animals who tend to drink it - while it breaks down - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze It's perfectly safe to pour anti-freeze down the drain - it will dilute microbes will break it down. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze I am replacing the water pump on the truck, drained the Deathcool, caught most of it. We live on the marsh, have a septic system, I am thinking it probably wouldn't be a good idea to put it down the septic? I can take it into town and pour it in a toilet to the sewer, or to the auto parts store if they collect it. Any thoughts on best disposal method? GM decided to thread the fan/clutch assembly onto the water pump shaft, no apparent way to get it off when on the truck, jammed a screwdriver in the impellers once I removed the whole deal and the back of the water pump, beat on an adj wrench on the big nut, finally got it loose. There is a pulley on the shaft flange but the fan assy is not bolted to it like on the Benz. Score one for the Germans. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
The oil spray nozzles are used for cooling the piston tops. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
In the 70's, we used to pour our oil on the ground in the back corner of the yard, that was until we started burning it in a home made wood / oil stove. Most others I know did the same thing. One neighbor used to put his used oil in a pump sprayer spray down fence lines to keep the weeds down. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze Hi Tom, I;m sure you're right - I wonder about some people who might not be so careful ;-) Came across a guy one day in a parking lot - it was the construction lot for a large project - basically dirt - anyway - there was a large pool of oil - I asked if he had a serious leak - he said, nope, just changing the oil. He dumped it on the ground then poured in the new stuff. I have a lot of problems with extreme environmentalism - but this was bad -- Years ago of course - early 70s I think - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze Not likely if you pour it down the sink. And even if your sink drains into an open water supply, the dilution will be such that there will be no harm to animals. I look down the street for people walking dogs before dumping my radiator onto the driveway with the garden hose running wide open. It runs down the driveway, down the street into the storm drain 2 houses down. I keep the hose running for about 15 minutes after. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze as long as it's not available to animals who tend to drink it - while it breaks down - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze It's perfectly safe to pour anti-freeze down the drain - it will dilute microbes will break it down. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze I am replacing the water pump on the truck, drained the Deathcool, caught most of it. We live on the marsh, have a septic system, I am thinking it probably wouldn't be a good idea to put it down the septic? I can take it into town and pour it in a toilet to the sewer, or to the auto parts store if they collect it. Any thoughts on best disposal method? GM decided to thread the fan/clutch assembly onto the water pump shaft, no apparent way to get it off when on the truck, jammed a screwdriver in the impellers once I removed the whole deal and the back of the water pump, beat on an adj wrench on the big nut, finally got it loose. There is a pulley on the shaft flange but the fan assy is not bolted to it like on the Benz. Score one for the Germans. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
True, unless it was very low. And if so run low, the differential won't be around much longer. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 10/27/08 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update No oil, mobile one or otherwise, is going to improve a howling rear end. Curt Raymond wrote: Changed the oil in the diff on my 190D today. If you remember its howling, its gotten worse too... This is an easy job, 15 minutes the first time 10 thereafter. I put the car up on ramps, the 190D is hard to get under... My driveway is sloped slightly which probably caused me to not drain out all the oil. I only got a bit over a full quart (1.2 maybe) in before it started draining back out. The stuff that came out was filthy. I thought my Indy had changed it but now that I remember our conversation I think maybe he just checked it for level. He's an old school mechanic and I don't think he believes in Mobil 1. I should point out that I had to top up the engine oil while I was at it and the car is now consuming a quart in 5,000 miles which is well improved from a quart in 2,000 when I first converted to Mobil 1. Anyway I've got to go into Boston tonight, thats maybe 150 miles round trip. Will see if this makes any difference. As usual I don't expect a short term improvement (maybe since the old stuff was dirty) but will look for long term gains. I'll probably change again next week since I'm sure I didn't get it all out. Maybe turn the car around so the ass end is downhill. I had it uphill today as it rained yesterday but the ground had already dried by the garage. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
Tanker driver said the price of diesel is jacked up to encourage people to buy gas burners instead of diesels. Diesel is a dollar more than gas around here. The county is a parking lot of unsold gas burners. Gerry --- Allan, let's ASSuME we're only talking about cost of fuel here, not all other costs,... the answer is: maybe,... $1/G more than *what*? isn't this just a math question? without knowing all the variables we can't have a yes-or-no answer. seems to me if the percentage of cost difference of the costs of the fuels is less than the percentage difference of the MPG, yes, it could be cheaper even if the fuel costs $1/G more. cheers! e Allan Streib wrote: That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Allan 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
Curt, The new differential oil may lessen the noise for no other reason than its new and the longer chains (what makes thicker oil thick) aren't sheared apart. But quieter isn't quiet and differential needs to be changed out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 10/27/08 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update I'd have agreed with you before yesterday... Its definately quieter. I wish I had some objective measure to put it against but I don't know how you could so my subjective impression will have to do. I was even more impressed as my wife actually noticed. Usually the car has to be on fire before she actually notices a change. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:43:17 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No oil, mobile one or otherwise, is going to improve a howling rear end. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
John Freer wrote: John, I noticed this on my 05 just a few days ago @45K miles. A friend of mine with an 05 with 45K had an injector go out this year so I guess I should get ready to drop the car off soon. I would greatly appreciate it if you would let me know how it turns out!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI noises
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB changed their mind about that in 2005 and I have seen the MB document mandating change at 38K miles. If your torque converter has no drain plug, you can drain only half of it which is better than nothing. Ignore this at your peril. My 2001 C-320 had no drain (so I changed half of it) but my 2008 C-300 7-speed does. Yeah, thats why I plan on changing it... :) I don't think your compressor has a clutch. My '01 W203's compressor was a variable swashplate unit and flow was controlled as required by the AC's computer. It engages and disengages slowly and you never feel it, unlike the compressors with clutches. My '08's AC system is completely unobtrusive and I leave it on all the time. That would explain the front of the pulley! The A/C doesn't turn instantly on/off like a clutched system, but when I turn the climate control off it is very quick. The noise stops/starts exactly with the climate control being on or off. Since I imagine the swashplate setup is what I have, I wonder if it means my compressor is going bad? It would probably take the belt out if it went bad. Personally, I think the idea of deferred repairs is the road to ruin. I'm not going to argue that one bit. As soon as you let one thing go, then another, and another... eventually you end up with a car where nothing works. I have no plans of ending up there! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
I saw diesel today for $3.25, bought some a coupla weeks ago for $3.65, gas is $2.48 today for reg, dropped 8c since Sat. Filled up wife's Suburban Sat eve, was a whole lot less than the last time I took it to get filled (big tank). --R pop3.atlantic.net wrote: Tanker driver said the price of diesel is jacked up to encourage people to buy gas burners instead of diesels. Diesel is a dollar more than gas around here. The county is a parking lot of unsold gas burners. Gerry --- Allan, let's ASSuME we're only talking about cost of fuel here, not all other costs,... the answer is: maybe,... $1/G more than *what*? isn't this just a math question? without knowing all the variables we can't have a yes-or-no answer. seems to me if the percentage of cost difference of the costs of the fuels is less than the percentage difference of the MPG, yes, it could be cheaper even if the fuel costs $1/G more. cheers! e Allan Streib wrote: That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Allan 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Yes, and if the tops are not kept cool, oil can burn on the rings and in the grooves. This will create a problem similar to what Peter described. As always, it is just something to check, and not a diagnosis At 05:37 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: The oil spray nozzles are used for cooling the piston tops. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are.
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
When I got back into town yesterday it was 3.03. Then, after leaving tulsa and getting off the highway to come to the house, it was 2.99 at that station. Rich Thomas wrote: I saw diesel today for $3.25, bought some a coupla weeks ago for $3.65, gas is $2.48 today for reg, dropped 8c since Sat. Filled up wife's Suburban Sat eve, was a whole lot less than the last time I took it to get filled (big tank). --R pop3.atlantic.net wrote: Tanker driver said the price of diesel is jacked up to encourage people to buy gas burners instead of diesels. Diesel is a dollar more than gas around here. The county is a parking lot of unsold gas burners. Gerry --- Allan, let's ASSuME we're only talking about cost of fuel here, not all other costs,... the answer is: maybe,... $1/G more than *what*? isn't this just a math question? without knowing all the variables we can't have a yes-or-no answer. seems to me if the percentage of cost difference of the costs of the fuels is less than the percentage difference of the MPG, yes, it could be cheaper even if the fuel costs $1/G more. cheers! e Allan Streib wrote: That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Allan 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
Rich Thomas wrote: When I was a kid my grandmother would pray for the day the road oil guy would come by and spray down the gravel lane with used motor oil. They still spray the roads around here, but it's with a water based solution now. I believe it's calcium chloride. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new perks at my job such as looking at Mercedes parts like the HD-dehnschlauch
Yeah it's a tandem pump, however I would have expected to see the hose part number under the suspension section. All the other lines involved in the SLS are there but for some reason the hose from the pump to the high pressure line is in the PS pump section. Anyway I am going to see if I can get a hose built at an hydraulics place, depends on whether the connections are standard or not. Hendrik Jeff Zedic wrote: Hendrik, That's because that SLS pump is a tandem pump which runs the power steering and the rear suspension pressure. That may not be the case on your TE but it looks to be a tandem pump from the diagram! Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
Well it is biodegradeble to a point, the problem being the heavy metals accumulated in it. I dispose of the stuff at the local center, along with all the old oils. This is the sort of thing I do every couple of years when there is a collection of stuff. Hendrik who is trying to do the right thing Allan Streib wrote: The antifreeze can be recycled, but it's also biodegradable and OK to put into the sewer. Not so sure about a septic system, guess it would be OK there too as long as you're not talking about huge quantities. The municipal sewer offers far more dilution though. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
It seems than at Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:21:45 -0500, Kaleb wrote: The 6.2 is pretty decent. Not a power house by any means. In a burb it will get 17 all day long, maybe even better. Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. It seems than at Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:30:40 -0400, Allan wrote: Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Yup. Yesterday I paid $3.059 per gallon for diesel. The same station was selling low-octane gasoline for $2.309 per gallon. On an imaginary 100 mile trip, that's $19.17 for gasoline and $18.24 for diesel. That's ignoring all the other advantages of diesel and 3/4 ton. Imagine what will happen when I put the big trailer on an pull a load. For both the mileage will go down - but I can almost guarantee that the diesel will loose less. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: seeking source for 8mm 12v white LEDs
I am wanting to replace some burned out dash lamps in my VW Vanagon. The lamps in question are for the panels around heat/vent controls. The bulbs I removed are housed in plastic barrels that are 8mm in diameter; the barrels push-fit into a recepticles on the back of the illuminated panels. My thought is to replace them with LEDs, it seems that 8mm is a standard LED size but I'm not sure where to source these. I found this on eBay: http://tinyurl.com/6e2u5k Anyone think those would be appropriate? Or know of any other good sources? I want something approximately as bright as the original lamps and that will dim appropriately if I dim the dash lights. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
Rich Thomas wrote: When I was a kid my grandmother would pray for the day the road oil guy would come by and spray down the gravel lane with used motor oil. Mitch wrote: They still spray the roads around here, but it's with a water based solution now. I believe it's calcium chloride. Summer? Or is that just in the winter? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
Fmiser wrote: Mitch wrote: They still spray the roads around here, but it's with a water based solution now. I believe it's calcium chloride. Summer? Or is that just in the winter? We're cheap here in Michigan, in the winter we use sodium chloride by the ton. I'm not sure what's in the dust control solution, when I googled dust control, calcium chloride was a common method. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: seeking source for 8mm 12v white LEDs
Allan Streib wrote: My thought is to replace them with LEDs, it seems that 8mm is a standard LED size but I'm not sure where to source these. I'm not sure exactly what bulb you have but here is a place to look: http://www.cml-it.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/basedleds_products.html Any drop-in LED replacement isn't going to be very cheap. Anyone think those would be appropriate? Or know of any other good sources? I want something approximately as bright as the original lamps and that will dim appropriately if I dim the dash lights. You'll have to figure out how to shove them into the receptacle... Also, if you need a wide viewing angle like you do with MB instrument clusters those aren't going to have it. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - diesel suburban
With my old 6.2, it would get 17 no matter if it was towing or not, it always got 17. With the 6.2 though, you have to be careful about towing. Do not tow in overdrive with the 700r4 unless you have beefed it up a bit. Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:21:45 -0500, Kaleb wrote: The 6.2 is pretty decent. Not a power house by any means. In a burb it will get 17 all day long, maybe even better. Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: That is what I'm hoping for. A noticeable improvement over the 12 my gasoline gets. It seems than at Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:30:40 -0400, Allan wrote: Does 17 MPG beat 12MPG when the fuel costs $1,00 more per gallon? Yup. Yesterday I paid $3.059 per gallon for diesel. The same station was selling low-octane gasoline for $2.309 per gallon. On an imaginary 100 mile trip, that's $19.17 for gasoline and $18.24 for diesel. That's ignoring all the other advantages of diesel and 3/4 ton. Imagine what will happen when I put the big trailer on an pull a load. For both the mileage will go down - but I can almost guarantee that the diesel will loose less. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update
I went back and reinspected what was left of the oil in the pan (I tip my pans up so I can drain most of what is in them out). It was black, almost like diesel oil but not quite that dark. It did smell entirely like gear oil but seemed quite thick, thicker than the Mobil 1 I put in... It'll be interesting to see what happens, as I say its quite a bit quieter. I test drove a Chevy Colorado today. Seems like a decent if cheap pickup. The one I drove had the Z71 offroad package which I'm not sure I care about, seems like the big difference is that it'll cost more to replace the tires... I did finally find further evidence of the side impact problems somebody else had mentioned but in viewing the pictures of the test I'm not sure I'm all that worried. I'm also curious because it looked to me like the Ranger fared worse while the testers claimed it was better... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:41:49 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff update To: 'Curt Raymond' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Diesel List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Curt, The new differential oil may lessen the noise for no other reason than its new and the longer chains (what makes thicker oil thick) aren't sheared apart. But quieter isn't quiet and differential needs to be changed out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: seeking source for 8mm 12v white LEDs
Here's an interesting project, not quite what you want to do, but some instructive info. http://prodmod.com/2008/10/26/bright-160-lumen-prodmod-video-light-for-under-30/ You can order LEDs from various places, mouser, sparkfun, there are some other hobbyist electronics suppliers. --R Allan Streib wrote: I am wanting to replace some burned out dash lamps in my VW Vanagon. The lamps in question are for the panels around heat/vent controls. The bulbs I removed are housed in plastic barrels that are 8mm in diameter; the barrels push-fit into a recepticles on the back of the illuminated panels. My thought is to replace them with LEDs, it seems that 8mm is a standard LED size but I'm not sure where to source these. I found this on eBay: http://tinyurl.com/6e2u5k Anyone think those would be appropriate? Or know of any other good sources? I want something approximately as bright as the original lamps and that will dim appropriately if I dim the dash lights. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT, disposal of anti-freeze
CaCl sucks moisture from the air, so it gets sorta damp and holds the dust down, if my mind is not misremembering. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Fmiser wrote: Mitch wrote: They still spray the roads around here, but it's with a water based solution now. I believe it's calcium chloride. Summer? Or is that just in the winter? We're cheap here in Michigan, in the winter we use sodium chloride by the ton. I'm not sure what's in the dust control solution, when I googled dust control, calcium chloride was a common method. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] new perks at my job
We do, but they don't have Flash updated past version 8. Also, the firewall monitors EVERYTHING you do on the computers, this is unmonitored. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Dont you have internet on your desktop anyway? Luther wrote: We discovered yesterday that they have installed WiFi with unblocked access to the internet. Several of us working nights now are bringing our laptops. Online video...CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, etc! :) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Correct lube for plastic-to-plastic contact?
You call him -- (800) 741-5252 On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:47 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been unable to find Sunroof Lube on Rusty' website - anyone have a pat number? You out there Rusty? ;-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CDI hits 80k
How about trying a Diesel Purge treatment before springing for new injectors? Here's Rusty's number - (800) 741-5252 On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:50 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Freer wrote: John, I noticed this on my 05 just a few days ago @45K miles. A friend of mine with an 05 with 45K had an injector go out this year so I guess I should get ready to drop the car off soon. I would greatly appreciate it if you would let me know how it turns out!! John -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: seeking source for 8mm 12v white LEDs
Add http://www.digikey.com/ and http://www.allelectronics.com/ to the list. You can order LEDs from various places, mouser, sparkfun, there are some other hobbyist electronics suppliers. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
