Re: [MBZ] Dead SD
If hes lucky it is probably just bad nailing. When you say ball or tip I assume you mean prechamber ball or glow plug tip? Steve did you use autolite (or other non bosch) glowplugs? -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: could be a broken injector tip wedged into the top of a piston. After you crack the lines to see if you can identify a cyl, try pulling the nozzle holder on the offending cyl, or all 5 if you cant identify one. Pull out the seal, then look down the hold with a mini-maglight focest for a straight beam. If a ball is missing or a tip is missong, you will see it. That was fairly common on OM621 engines. I have changed a lot of prechambers. It is rare with 616 and 617 engines. At 06:27 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote: Oil pressure was good? Double check the oil and turn it over by hand a few times before you get carried away. I guess after that crack the injectors one at a time and see where it goes. -Rolf Steve MacSween wrote: Had my 1982 300sd towed back home last last week but have not looked at it yet. Was driving when I started to notice a tinny knocking sound, intermittent. A few minutes later it became NOT intermittent. Basically it sounds for all the world like a gas engine with the timing way advanced - preignition 'clatter'. Only when hot under load. I am at a loss. All my brain can come up with is maybe a broken tensioner? (I was actually hearing the chain rattling?). Engine is tight and starts first crank even in extreme cold temps so wear was not on my radar as an issue. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Hey Y'all in the MS or NO LA area
Nope. Just what has become an annual trip to the gulf to escape the ice and snow for a few days. My daughter wants to find work in the gulf coast area after she graduates in May. At 09:27 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: 29- Jan 1 at least. Too bad. It would be fin to meet. I'd like to see your new car. Oh well, that's about the time frame I'll be out in Phoenix. Are you moving to LA? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead SD
I was talking about the prechamber loosing its ball or the tip off the prechamber. A tip off a glow plug is fairly soft, and after the piston hits it twice, there is usually silence. The prechamber parts are big enough they get embedded in the piston top and can make a racket for quite a while. At 07:56 AM 11/30/2008, you wrote: If hes lucky it is probably just bad nailing. When you say ball or tip I assume you mean prechamber ball or glow plug tip? Steve did you use autolite (or other non bosch) glowplugs? -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: could be a broken injector tip wedged into the top of a piston. After you crack the lines to see if you can identify a cyl, try pulling the nozzle holder on the offending cyl, or all 5 if you cant identify one. Pull out the seal, then look down the hold with a mini-maglight focest for a straight beam. If a ball is missing or a tip is missong, you will see it. That was fairly common on OM621 engines. I have changed a lot of prechambers. It is rare with 616 and 617 engines. At 06:27 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote: Oil pressure was good? Double check the oil and turn it over by hand a few times before you get carried away. I guess after that crack the injectors one at a time and see where it goes. -Rolf Steve MacSween wrote: Had my 1982 300sd towed back home last last week but have not looked at it yet. Was driving when I started to notice a tinny knocking sound, intermittent. A few minutes later it became NOT intermittent. Basically it sounds for all the world like a gas engine with the timing way advanced - preignition 'clatter'. Only when hot under load. I am at a loss. All my brain can come up with is maybe a broken tensioner? (I was actually hearing the chain rattling?). Engine is tight and starts first crank even in extreme cold temps so wear was not on my radar as an issue. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Hey Y'all in the MS or NO LA area
Loren Faeth wrote: 29- Jan 1 at least. Too bad. It would be fin to meet. I'd like to see your new car. Oh well, that's about the time frame I'll be out in Phoenix. Are you moving to LA? John Which John is coming to Phx? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a truck...
This'll be the first vehicle I've ever had thats newer than my marriage... Its already got to go back though, the ABS activates at every stop just before the truck comes to a complete stop. I joined a forum and apparently its a pretty common problem caused by a dirty ABS sensor. Unfortunately if you break the sensor removing it for cleaning you need a new hub(!). If the sensor(s) is(are) bad its ~$120 if you need the hub(s) its $190... I'm going to pull the fuse since its really not safe to drive(!) right now. With the ABS deactivated (a common fix) it'll be fine. -Curt --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bought a truck... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 1:39 AM Congratulations on being able to purchase something with less than 200K miles on it! Hopefully, you'll get at least as much service out of this Ranger as you got out of the Dakota. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a truck...
BTW I paid ~$16,000 for the Dakota in '99 with ~52,000 miles on it, yesterday it had ~222,000 so we put on 170,000 in 9 years 2 months. $0.094/mile just on purchase price. The only major repairs were a water pump and a fuel pump. Other than that a few sets of tires, a couple belts, 3 or 4 exhausts (wife used to drive it just in town, was all hell on exhausts) and brakes. The Ranger has an entirely electronic 4wd system (a dial, no lever) so our new Saturday ritual includes setting the parking brake, shifting into 4wd hi, put the trans in neutral, shift into 4wd low, wait 30 seconds back to 4wd high, trans to reverse, 2wd and then off to wherever we're going. We've had really tough luck with sticking parking brakes recently and the Dakota wouldn't stay in 4wd until it had been in and out a few times. Both I think were caused by lack of use. Some folks say not using the parking brake will ruin an automatic trans. Man I almost NEVER used the parking brake in the Dakota and put 170,000 miles on it with very little trans trouble. In fact no trans trouble that wasn't fixed with a good flush. Thats with a v8 in a Chrysler product! -Curt --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bought a truck... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 1:39 AM Congratulations on being able to purchase something with less than 200K miles on it! Hopefully, you'll get at least as much service out of this Ranger as you got out of the Dakota. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
loosen the 3 mounting nuts/bolts, then tighten the adjusting bolt on the top. Robert Rentfro wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:16:47 -0700 Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. And which automobile would this be? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Robert Rentfro wrote: Which John is coming to Phx? That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the 28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other obligations. Last time you passed up the meeting for a root canal! I mean, come on! ;) If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. I'm not sure which interstate I'll be taking yet. Probably I-10 there and I-40 back (leaving from my parent's house on the coast). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Well Im about 40 miles north of I40. John Robbins wrote: Robert Rentfro wrote: Which John is coming to Phx? That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the 28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other obligations. Last time you passed up the meeting for a root canal! I mean, come on! ;) If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. I'm not sure which interstate I'll be taking yet. Probably I-10 there and I-40 back (leaving from my parent's house on the coast). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a truck...
Curt Raymond wrote: I joined a forum... www.ford-trucks.com? That's the one I've used, and I've been very impressed at the folks there. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well Im about 40 miles north of I40. I may swing up there on the way back. Last trip back we ended up staying nearly due south of you. Greg needs to see you're backyard so don't sell all of them by then. We'll have some fun in the CDI too. You free the night of Jan 3rd and the next morning? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] oh boy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Has-350-tbi-Chevy-Engine-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ260324044117QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Oh yea, I should be free. John Robbins wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well Im about 40 miles north of I40. I may swing up there on the way back. Last trip back we ended up staying nearly due south of you. Greg needs to see you're backyard so don't sell all of them by then. We'll have some fun in the CDI too. You free the night of Jan 3rd and the next morning? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
I'm sure we can figure it out. Hey Chuck...Mr. Jim. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Phoenix Robert Rentfro wrote: Which John is coming to Phx? That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the 28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other obligations. Last time you passed up the meeting for a root canal! I mean, come on! ;) If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. I'm not sure which interstate I'll be taking yet. Probably I-10 there and I-40 back (leaving from my parent's house on the coast). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] cheap 300CE
This could be a great deal maybe http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-CE-1993-MERCEDES-BENZ-CHEAP-TRANSPORTATION-NEEDS-TLC-RUNS_W0QQitemZ270307621035QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap 300CE
Yummy! Ed 300E 2008/11/30 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] This could be a great deal maybe http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-CE-1993-MERCEDES-BENZ-CHEAP-TRANSPORTATION-NEEDS-TLC-RUNS_W0QQitemZ270307621035QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
Ahh there is the problem. There is one bolt on the top nearest the engine, none on the crescent shaped adjusting slider looking space where I'm guessing one should be and it seems the bolt going down from the bracket into the pump itself for adjusting is stripped. No wonder the belt squeals. Any idea on what size the missing bolt is? Bob R '77 300D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt loosen the 3 mounting nuts/bolts, then tighten the adjusting bolt on the top. Robert Rentfro wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
Sorry...'77 300D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:16:47 -0700 Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. And which automobile would this be? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
I have no idea but Im thinking the one I sent you MIGHT have the adjuster on it still. I dont recall removing it so it should still be on there. Robert Rentfro wrote: Ahh there is the problem. There is one bolt on the top nearest the engine, none on the crescent shaped adjusting slider looking space where I'm guessing one should be and it seems the bolt going down from the bracket into the pump itself for adjusting is stripped. No wonder the belt squeals. Any idea on what size the missing bolt is? Bob R '77 300D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt loosen the 3 mounting nuts/bolts, then tighten the adjusting bolt on the top. Robert Rentfro wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a truck...
Curt Raymond wrote: Some folks say not using the parking brake will ruin an automatic trans. My boss at the Saab shop didn't use his parking brake to park. One day while he was parked at the market, a delivery truck driver bumped his 900GLE. Sheared the parking pawl in the tranny. The car had a parking brake that was capable of locking the front wheels at speed, so the tranny would have been safe if Vic had used the brake. Might have caused bumper damage if the car couldn't roll when it was hit, though. As it was, I pulled the power plant and sent the tranny to a rebuilder, and the company that owned the truck paid for it all. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:45:54 -0600 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. We're about 50 miles north of I-40 as it passes through New Mexico. Craig Los Alamos ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:45:54 -0600 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. We're about 50 miles north of I-40 as it passes through New Mexico. Google maps says it's about two hours from I-40... Is there a shortcut GMaps isn't aware of? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead SD
My experience was with autolite GP. They broke off, took the prechamber ball with them and then the bottom of the prechamber. This was what was left : http://winmutt.com/images/benz/prechamber1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/prechamber2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/prechamber3.jpg It was anything but silent as the metal bits got smashed until they were small enough to pass through the valves. Very loud, very fast pinging. I could certainly see the gp tip or ball making a small amount of racket until the bottom fell out (literally) and then making a horrendous noise. Steve I have the lock ring tool for removing the prechamber if you need to borrow it. I made a puller out of a 22mmx1 shimano crank removal tool. You will want a 5lb+ slide hammer. I did it with a 2lb and spent way to much time slapping the hammer. Guess we'll find out when he posts back. -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: I was talking about the prechamber loosing its ball or the tip off the prechamber. A tip off a glow plug is fairly soft, and after the piston hits it twice, there is usually silence. The prechamber parts are big enough they get embedded in the piston top and can make a racket for quite a while. At 07:56 AM 11/30/2008, you wrote: If hes lucky it is probably just bad nailing. When you say ball or tip I assume you mean prechamber ball or glow plug tip? Steve did you use autolite (or other non bosch) glowplugs? -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: could be a broken injector tip wedged into the top of a piston. After you crack the lines to see if you can identify a cyl, try pulling the nozzle holder on the offending cyl, or all 5 if you cant identify one. Pull out the seal, then look down the hold with a mini-maglight focest for a straight beam. If a ball is missing or a tip is missong, you will see it. That was fairly common on OM621 engines. I have changed a lot of prechambers. It is rare with 616 and 617 engines. At 06:27 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote: Oil pressure was good? Double check the oil and turn it over by hand a few times before you get carried away. I guess after that crack the injectors one at a time and see where it goes. -Rolf Steve MacSween wrote: Had my 1982 300sd towed back home last last week but have not looked at it yet. Was driving when I started to notice a tinny knocking sound, intermittent. A few minutes later it became NOT intermittent. Basically it sounds for all the world like a gas engine with the timing way advanced - preignition 'clatter'. Only when hot under load. I am at a loss. All my brain can come up with is maybe a broken tensioner? (I was actually hearing the chain rattling?). Engine is tight and starts first crank even in extreme cold temps so wear was not on my radar as an issue. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap 300CE
Ahh Hamtramck, perhaps while there you could meet the Painless Pole although one assumes by this point he's in his 80s. Wonder if the pride still works? Sorry, movie (well book really) reference but I couldn't resist... -Curt Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:02:57 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] cheap 300CE To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed This could be a great deal maybe http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-CE-1993-MERCEDES-BENZ-CHEAP-TRANSPORTATION-NEEDS-TLC-RUNS_W0QQitemZ270307621035QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Banned Lite email list launched
After much demand and years of thinking about it, I have launched the Banned Lite email discussion list. This will be somewhere in between the off topic conversations of the Mercedes list and that of regular Banned. Anything goes on Banned Lite except profanity and vulgar comments. This is the place to debate hot topics that are not allowed on the regular discussion lists, without all the profanity etc of Banned. Off topic posts are of course still allowed on the regular discussion lists as long as the follow established list rules. To subscribe to this new list, go to http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/bannedlite_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] a wagon for az bob
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-TE-1990-MERCEDES-300TE-WAGON-WITH-3RD-SEAT-RUNS-GOOD_W0QQitemZ200282006819QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
The adjusting thingie inside the pump is a piece of plastic, probably long since disintegrated, which means you will have to revert to prying it tight, which is not easy to do as there are no good places to pry from and to. I think I finally put a piece of wood somewhere and took a small pry bar and was able to get it tight that way, while also tightening one bolt to hold it tight while tightening the other 2. 3 hands help in the job. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: loosen the 3 mounting nuts/bolts, then tighten the adjusting bolt on the top. Robert Rentfro wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap 300CE
Curt. He sure put a smile on (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0009473/Lt. Maria 'Dish' http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0009473/Schneider) Jo Ann Pflug's face! Fred Moir Lynn MA Ahh Hamtramck, perhaps while there you could meet the Painless Pole although one assumes by this point he's in his 80s. Wonder if the pride still works? Sorry, movie (well book really) reference but I couldn't resist... Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead SD
on 11/30/08 8:56, Rolf at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If hes lucky it is probably just bad nailing. When you say ball or tip I assume you mean prechamber ball or glow plug tip? Steve did you use autolite (or other non bosch) glowplugs? I bought Beru last time, IIRC. Steve Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a wagon for az bob
Nice. But, the first words out of her mouth are, Yes, but it's a wagon... I'm gonna keep an eye on it. It's time to get rid of the 300D and the Acura and get something from the late '90's I think. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:59 AM To: mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] a wagon for az bob http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-TE-1990-MERCEDES-300 TE-WAGON-WITH-3RD-SEAT-RUNS-GOOD_W0QQitemZ200282006819QQihZ010QQcategoryZ633 0QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
That's exactly what I'm seeing. Nowif my PS pump would ever arrive Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt The adjusting thingie inside the pump is a piece of plastic, probably long since disintegrated, which means you will have to revert to prying it tight, which is not easy to do as there are no good places to pry from and to. I think I finally put a piece of wood somewhere and took a small pry bar and was able to get it tight that way, while also tightening one bolt to hold it tight while tightening the other 2. 3 hands help in the job. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: loosen the 3 mounting nuts/bolts, then tighten the adjusting bolt on the top. Robert Rentfro wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
I figured it would have been there before t-day Robert Rentfro wrote: That's exactly what I'm seeing. Nowif my PS pump would ever arrive Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt The adjusting thingie inside the pump is a piece of plastic, probably long since disintegrated, which means you will have to revert to prying it tight, which is not easy to do as there are no good places to pry from and to. I think I finally put a piece of wood somewhere and took a small pry bar and was able to get it tight that way, while also tightening one bolt to hold it tight while tightening the other 2. 3 hands help in the job. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: loosen the 3 mounting nuts/bolts, then tighten the adjusting bolt on the top. Robert Rentfro wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
http://tinyurl.com/6yxn54 It says something about it being damaged. It looks like it languishing in TX. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt I figured it would have been there before t-day Robert Rentfro wrote: That's exactly what I'm seeing. Nowif my PS pump would ever arrive Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt The adjusting thingie inside the pump is a piece of plastic, probably long since disintegrated, which means you will have to revert to prying it tight, which is not easy to do as there are no good places to pry from and to. I think I finally put a piece of wood somewhere and took a small pry bar and was able to get it tight that way, while also tightening one bolt to hold it tight while tightening the other 2. 3 hands help in the job. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: loosen the 3 mounting nuts/bolts, then tighten the adjusting bolt on the top. Robert Rentfro wrote: As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have moved some. How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the belt? It's not glaringly obvious to me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead SD
Bosch and beru can loose a GP tip also, but my experience with US made GPs is BAD. Prechamber balls and tips can crack off due to age and wear unrelated to the GP brand. At 12:15 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote: on 11/30/08 8:56, Rolf at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If hes lucky it is probably just bad nailing. When you say ball or tip I assume you mean prechamber ball or glow plug tip? Steve did you use autolite (or other non bosch) glowplugs? I bought Beru last time, IIRC. Steve Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Kleb is Building this?
http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/16/Funny_Pictures_429.htm Bound to have enough parts around and the technology -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parting out '82 300CD
How is the oil cooler, transmission,oil pans electrical switches window regulators/motors? Dave H... Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:46:22 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parting out '82 300CD If this is a US model with the type III ACC module (horizontal buttons), I'd be interested in the blower motor and the temperature regulators. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:41:30 -0600 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:45:54 -0600 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. We're about 50 miles north of I-40 as it passes through New Mexico. Google maps says it's about two hours from I-40... Is there a shortcut GMaps isn't aware of? Unfortunately, no. If you're not going during rush hour, it's probably more like 1.5 hours. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parting out '82 300CD
Great - never felt better! Or were you asking that other bloke? I should probably investigate the hose connecting the air temp sensor behind the glove box before ordering a temp regulator. OTOH, since the blower comes on at inappropriate times, it might be more likely that I need the BLOWER regulator. n Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, David Hemsley [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: How is the oil cooler, transmission,oil pans electrical switches window regulators/motors? Dave H... Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:46:22 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parting out '82 300CD If this is a US model with the type III ACC module (horizontal buttons), I'd be interested in the blower motor and the temperature regulators. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile(R). http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Hey Kaleb, did you ship my order yet? On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Oh yea, I should be free. John Robbins wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well Im about 40 miles north of I40. I may swing up there on the way back. Last trip back we ended up staying nearly due south of you. Greg needs to see you're backyard so don't sell all of them by then. We'll have some fun in the CDI too. You free the night of Jan 3rd and the next morning? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Do you plan to visit here? http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:45 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Rentfro wrote: Which John is coming to Phx? That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the 28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other obligations. Last time you passed up the meeting for a root canal! I mean, come on! ;) If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. I'm not sure which interstate I'll be taking yet. Probably I-10 there and I-40 back (leaving from my parent's house on the coast). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
As the kids say, that place is off the hook. They need defibrillators in the lobby. Go there after your bloodwork. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Phoenix Do you plan to visit here? http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:45 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Rentfro wrote: Which John is coming to Phx? That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the 28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other obligations. Last time you passed up the meeting for a root canal! I mean, come on! ;) If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. I'm not sure which interstate I'll be taking yet. Probably I-10 there and I-40 back (leaving from my parent's house on the coast). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Hi John and Bob. I presume this is December 28 and January 3 Sorry, guys.. I'm going to be in Hawaii.. Somebody has to do it. Visiting with son and dil and 2 g'kids. Take care, Chuck ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2.3 gas engine needed 85 86 87 NY
Had three short days of fun in my hand me down 190e. #4 cylinder is now registering 25lbs. compression. My local mechanic thinks a motor RR will be best route. Anyone in the vicinty of Albany NY have a good one? I have leads on a couple,but thought I'd check here first. Thanks- Rob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
how the heck could it have been damaged before it really even got anywhere. Maybe the fedex guy ran over it. Robert Rentfro wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6yxn54 It says something about it being damaged. It looks like it languishing in TX. Bob R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
pretty sure, will check to make sure andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey Kaleb, did you ship my order yet? On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Oh yea, I should be free. John Robbins wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well Im about 40 miles north of I40. I may swing up there on the way back. Last trip back we ended up staying nearly due south of you. Greg needs to see you're backyard so don't sell all of them by then. We'll have some fun in the CDI too. You free the night of Jan 3rd and the next morning? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 brake fade
Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:55:56 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how the heck could it have been damaged before it really even got anywhere. Maybe the fedex guy ran over it. When we moved here from Austin, TX, we sent ourselves several boxes via FedEx. One of them was damaged in shipping, so they followed their (then) standard policy, ship it back to the sender. Only problem was that there was no one there, since we had moved to Los Alamos, NM. It took some wrangling with them to convince them to go get the box off our old doorstep in Austin and send it to us here in Los Alamos. Craig Robert Rentfro wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6yxn54 It says something about it being damaged. It looks like it languishing in TX. Bob R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 250 kmi 1994 E420 117 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
I didn't even eat Thanksgiving turkey so imagine how the Quad looks to me! On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the kids say, that place is off the hook. They need defibrillators in the lobby. Go there after your bloodwork. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Phoenix Do you plan to visit here? http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:45 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Rentfro wrote: Which John is coming to Phx? That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the 28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other obligations. Last time you passed up the meeting for a root canal! I mean, come on! ;) If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. I'm not sure which interstate I'll be taking yet. Probably I-10 there and I-40 back (leaving from my parent's house on the coast). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:20:05 +1300 Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? BRAKE FLUID How long has it been since you changed the brake fluid? Water is heavier than brake fluid and, if you get some in the bottom of the caliper, can easily boil. Now you have a caliper full of water vapor, which compresses quite easily and takes little force to do it. It thus exerts little force on the caliper piston and the brake pad. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Euan, Brake fade is caused by a small layer of gas that forms between the rotor and the pads. The gas layer is very thin but it acts like a cushion that prevents the pads from gripping the rotors. The cause is heat and this is why you experience brake fade going down a long hill. You apply the brakes and with each cycle, the rotor pad surfaces get hotter hotter until you finally cross a threshold, some of the compounds inside the brake material turn into gas create the cushion and you have no brakes. Race car drivers cross drill mill slots their rotors to help bleed off the gas. They also run special metal brake pads that don't off gas like composite brake pads do. This is why you can actually see rotors glow dull red in some night time races they still have brakes. The one advantage of modern ceramic pads is that they also off-gas less. This is the real reason they reduce brake fade. Your solution is to install a set of ceramic brake pads but also to change your driving habits. You need to slow down and shift into second gear and let the engine do most of the braking so that you have brakes when you need them. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Euan Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] W123 brake fade Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
When MBCA had road events at Road America, I was a tech inspector. Every case of brake fade was traced to DOT3brake fluid in the system, not the DOT 4 specified. Drain your brake fluid and put in Castrol GT fluid. It might save your life some day. MB used to specify regular changes of brake fluid when your car was new. Don't know if they still do for newer cars, but your car still comes under the old regimen. At 07:20 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote: Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Brake fade no brake caused by boiling water in the fluid cause the same end result but the symptoms are different. It's easy enough to tell which one is the cause. With brake fade, the pedal stays hard - you just don't have any brakes. When the water boils out of the brake fluid, the pedal gets spongy and you have no brakes. BTW, I use only DOT4 in my cars BMW R75/6 motorcycle and DOT5 in my Harley-Davidson. DOT5 was installed in the Harley brake system from the factory. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade When MBCA had road events at Road America, I was a tech inspector. Every case of brake fade was traced to DOT3brake fluid in the system, not the DOT 4 specified. Drain your brake fluid and put in Castrol GT fluid. It might save your life some day. MB used to specify regular changes of brake fluid when your car was new. Don't know if they still do for newer cars, but your car still comes under the old regimen. At 07:20 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote: Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Hey Don, my brother and his wife served up mushroom ragout, vegetable stew, saffron rice, pureed root vegetables, green tossed salad, and breads and pies (apple and pecan) for Thanksgiving. What turkey?? On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't even eat Thanksgiving turkey so imagine how the Quad looks to me! On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the kids say, that place is off the hook. They need defibrillators in the lobby. Go there after your bloodwork. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Phoenix Do you plan to visit here? http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:45 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Rentfro wrote: Which John is coming to Phx? That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the 28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other obligations. Last time you passed up the meeting for a root canal! I mean, come on! ;) If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. I'm not sure which interstate I'll be taking yet. Probably I-10 there and I-40 back (leaving from my parent's house on the coast). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
This is a design flaw with the 5 speed turbodiesel wagon! Very dangerous!! You need to IMMEDIATELY get rid of the car. Just your luck - I have a buyer for you @$500. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: When MBCA had road events at Road America, I was a tech inspector. Every case of brake fade was traced to DOT3brake fluid in the system, not the DOT 4 specified. Drain your brake fluid and put in Castrol GT fluid. It might save your life some day. MB used to specify regular changes of brake fluid when your car was new. Don't know if they still do for newer cars, but your car still comes under the old regimen. At 07:20 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote: Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
I love fedex. I sent a box of bread for lab testing from the Big Island to Honolulu. Simple eh? They do it all the time. After a week without hearing the results, I called the lab and asked about my results. Nothing, they never got the delivery! About 2 months later I got a call from fedex in Honolulu asking what they should do with the box. I told them to open it and eat it. It was my gift to them. I'd a rather told em where to shove it, but I am too nice for that. At 07:23 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:55:56 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how the heck could it have been damaged before it really even got anywhere. Maybe the fedex guy ran over it. When we moved here from Austin, TX, we sent ourselves several boxes via FedEx. One of them was damaged in shipping, so they followed their (then) standard policy, ship it back to the sender. Only problem was that there was no one there, since we had moved to Los Alamos, NM. It took some wrangling with them to convince them to go get the box off our old doorstep in Austin and send it to us here in Los Alamos. Craig Robert Rentfro wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6yxn54 It says something about it being damaged. It looks like it languishing in TX. Bob R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 250 kmi 1994 E420 117 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool
On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,, On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Mike! i think we were talking about BioDiesel here (note the subject line) not WVO, which is a very different thing with many different considerations. (not the least of which is the increasing incidence of persecution of those using WVO as a non-approved and untaxed fuel on public highways). not surprisingly, here in Berkeley, there have been many people who have tried a wide variety of single-tank and dual-tank WVO/SVO conversion kits; Frybird has been one of the least popular even ignoring the amount of time it takes to reap any return on the significant investment. the result has been such a glut of destroyed MBZs that some local junkyards won't pay for them or even accept them anymore unless you pay to have them dropped off at their front door. there's a whole 'nother world of considerations, issues and unknowns associated with SVO/WVO use; probably not appropriate for this forum, and certainly not for this thread. good luck! cheers! e Michael E. Esh wrote: I am currently collecting waste vegetable oil from local restaurants to use in my 1984 300D. I purchased and installed a kit from Frybrid.com I have been doing this for about two years and have had no adverse effects on engine performance. The key is to make sure engine is at operating temperature and oil is at least 160 degrees before switching from diesel. This typically takes 3 to 7 miles depending on the outside temp. the switchover is done automatically with Frybrid system. Before shutting down you must switch back to diesel. This takes about 10 seconds and an alarm sound if you shut down without switching. I have $3000.00 invested in the entire project which includes the filtration system. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:24 PM To: andrew strasfogel Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool hi Andrew! don't know much about any companies hauling away restaurants used oil (technically, it's not grease being used) and making BioD from it... though i know there's been a flap about some municipalities (San Francisco, for example) commandeering waste oil from restaurants on the premise of keeping it out of the sewer system and then using it for fuel. cheers! e andrew strasfogel wrote: Ernest, As an original member of the formerly known as Andy club, I should have known better than to Ernie-fy you. So are their reputable companies in the big cities operating under industrial economies of scale who are hauling away restaurants' fryer grease and turning it into bio diesel? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Rich! yes but not really, no, and kinda',...;-) you *could* make soap from it, but nobody would want to use it for anything other than maybe cleaning their tools! leftover Methanol and other impurities from the oil wind up in the Glycerin, and it's not something you'd want on your skin. Glycerin used for Soap is of Food Grade; the byproduct of BioD production isn't anywhere near that clean. someone somewhere might have a use for it, but the byproduct of homebrew BioD is not what most people would have in mind when they think of the term usable byproduct. you can find some of the best evolving info from real-time Biodiesel'ers on the BurnVeggies list or the Infopop forum. (the Journey to Forever Site is obviously biased, and while there is some good info there there's so much mis-information mixed in with it the site is somewhat controversial.) cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: Can you make soap from the glycerin? It's pretty clean, right? I thought I read that somewhere that it is a usable by-product. --R ernest breakfield wrote: hi Andrew, (it's Ernest, actually; not Ernie.) i don't want to deflate anyone's balloon WRT Biofuels; i'm a big proponent of responsible Biofuels, and have been using B100 in our '85 300D for several years/50K+ miles already. i just don't want to see anyone get sucked into thinking it's easy without knowing what all needs to be considered. i think that knowing what those considerations are before
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Brake fading is not entirely due to boiling water in the fluid. Once your brake pads hit a certain temp they are going to be worthless. I recommend upgrading to W126 rotors (vented) and calipers. Gen 1 are a direct swap no muss no fuss. Gen 2 requires 15 or larger wheels and you have to swap the back plates as well. Gen2 is a larger diameter rotor and larger area pad and larger piston == greater stopping power. You might also want to look at a harder compound pad, like the EBC red's. If you do towing I would get the Gen 2 setup otherwise I would *highly* recommend switching to the gen 1 setup. The most important thing in any car is stopping. -Rolf Euan wrote: Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a wagon for az bob
You see, the 1987 and later wagons aren't worth a plugged nickel... On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice. But, the first words out of her mouth are, Yes, but it's a wagon... I'm gonna keep an eye on it. It's time to get rid of the 300D and the Acura and get something from the late '90's I think. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:59 AM To: mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] a wagon for az bob http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-TE-1990-MERCEDES-300 TE-WAGON-WITH-3RD-SEAT-RUNS-GOOD_W0QQitemZ200282006819QQihZ010QQcategoryZ633 0QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-TE-1990-MERCEDES-300TE-WAGON-WITH-3RD-SEAT-RUNS-GOOD_W0QQitemZ200282006819QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool
I used to do the very same thing when my garden was larger. The difference was that I just sprinkled the coffee grounds on the ground. The issue with any of these ideas is the cost of transporting the stuff verses the monetary gain for the end product. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,, On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Mike! i think we were talking about BioDiesel here (note the subject line) not WVO, which is a very different thing with many different considerations. (not the least of which is the increasing incidence of persecution of those using WVO as a non-approved and untaxed fuel on public highways). not surprisingly, here in Berkeley, there have been many people who have tried a wide variety of single-tank and dual-tank WVO/SVO conversion kits; Frybird has been one of the least popular even ignoring the amount of time it takes to reap any return on the significant investment. the result has been such a glut of destroyed MBZs that some local junkyards won't pay for them or even accept them anymore unless you pay to have them dropped off at their front door. there's a whole 'nother world of considerations, issues and unknowns associated with SVO/WVO use; probably not appropriate for this forum, and certainly not for this thread. good luck! cheers! e Michael E. Esh wrote: I am currently collecting waste vegetable oil from local restaurants to use in my 1984 300D. I purchased and installed a kit from Frybrid.com I have been doing this for about two years and have had no adverse effects on engine performance. The key is to make sure engine is at operating temperature and oil is at least 160 degrees before switching from diesel. This typically takes 3 to 7 miles depending on the outside temp. the switchover is done automatically with Frybrid system. Before shutting down you must switch back to diesel. This takes about 10 seconds and an alarm sound if you shut down without switching. I have $3000.00 invested in the entire project which includes the filtration system. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:24 PM To: andrew strasfogel Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool hi Andrew! don't know much about any companies hauling away restaurants used oil (technically, it's not grease being used) and making BioD from it... though i know there's been a flap about some municipalities (San Francisco, for example) commandeering waste oil from restaurants on the premise of keeping it out of the sewer system and then using it for fuel. cheers! e andrew strasfogel wrote: Ernest, As an original member of the formerly known as Andy club, I should have known better than to Ernie-fy you. So are their reputable companies in the big cities operating under industrial economies of scale who are hauling away restaurants' fryer grease and turning it into bio diesel? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Rich! yes but not really, no, and kinda',...;-) you *could* make soap from it, but nobody would want to use it for anything other than maybe cleaning their tools! leftover Methanol and other impurities from the oil wind up in the Glycerin, and it's not something you'd want on your skin. Glycerin used for Soap is of Food Grade; the byproduct of BioD production isn't anywhere near that clean. someone somewhere might have a use for it, but the byproduct of homebrew BioD is not what most people would have in mind when they think of the term usable byproduct. you can find some of the best evolving info from real-time Biodiesel'ers on the BurnVeggies list or the Infopop forum. (the Journey to Forever Site is obviously biased, and while there is some good info there there's so much mis-information mixed in with it the site is somewhat controversial.) cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: Can you make soap from the glycerin? It's pretty clean, right? I thought I read that somewhere that it is a usable
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Euan wrote: Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. What are your actual symptoms? If the brake pedal gets really hard, and you have to stand on it to actually get the car to stop that is probably a bad brake booster. I've had one go out, and it was intermittent just like yours. It sure is scary when it goes out!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Tom Hargrave wrote: Your solution is to install a set of ceramic brake pads but also to change your driving habits. You need to slow down and shift into second gear and let the engine do most of the braking so that you have brakes when you need them. He already does that... so I'm not sure if it is typical brake fade. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Loren Faeth wrote: MB used to specify regular changes of brake fluid when your car was new. Don't know if they still do for newer cars, but your car still comes under the old regimen. FYI... The new ones required an annual brake flush up until just recently. Now they specify once every other year. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
My kind of meal. I have one of these (the roast) in the freezer but haven't tried it yet. http://www.tofurky.com/products/tofurkyfeasts.htm On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:49 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hey Don, my brother and his wife served up mushroom ragout, vegetable stew, saffron rice, pureed root vegetables, green tossed salad, and breads and pies (apple and pecan) for Thanksgiving. What turkey?? On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't even eat Thanksgiving turkey so imagine how the Quad looks to me! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Chuck Landenberger wrote: I presume this is December 28 and January 3 Yep. Sorry, guys.. I'm going to be in Hawaii.. Somebody has to do it. Visiting with son and dil and 2 g'kids. What, Phoenix wasn't warm enough for you? ;) Have a good time visiting with family! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
John, He drops into 3rd gear and did not state what speed he was maintaining in 3rd gear - I suggested slowing down dropping into 2nd. I visit a friend regularly on Green Mountain and if I don't drop down 2 gears, I experience brake fate towards the end and that's with DOT4 fluid. But your other post is correct, his issue could be something other than brake fade. It could be old DOT3 fluid loaded with water or possibly a brake booster. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade Tom Hargrave wrote: Your solution is to install a set of ceramic brake pads but also to change your driving habits. You need to slow down and shift into second gear and let the engine do most of the braking so that you have brakes when you need them. He already does that... so I'm not sure if it is typical brake fade. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Tom Hargrave wrote: I visit a friend regularly on Green Mountain and if I don't drop down 2 gears, I experience brake fate towards the end and that's with DOT4 fluid. Wow! That's the road slightly to the southeast of you correct? I've driven fairly aggressively on that stretch of road, and I've never had any fade (or ever for that matter). I've driven that stretch of road in the SD, 2.5T, and CDI. Maybe I'm not driving hard enough ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
and all that has no effect if you have water in the brake fluid! Flush our the old fluid! CHANGE THE FLUID! Use ONLY the right stuff! DOT4! At 07:58 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote: Brake fading is not entirely due to boiling water in the fluid. Once your brake pads hit a certain temp they are going to be worthless. I recommend upgrading to W126 rotors (vented) and calipers. Gen 1 are a direct swap no muss no fuss. Gen 2 requires 15 or larger wheels and you have to swap the back plates as well. Gen2 is a larger diameter rotor and larger area pad and larger piston == greater stopping power. You might also want to look at a harder compound pad, like the EBC red's. If you do towing I would get the Gen 2 setup otherwise I would *highly* recommend switching to the gen 1 setup. The most important thing in any car is stopping. -Rolf Euan wrote: Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Different road I think. This is the one leading to the park on Green Mountain. I have to admit that I experienced brake fade going down hill at 50 - 60 MPG and it was an interesting experience. These days, I go down hill at 30 - 35 MPH. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade Tom Hargrave wrote: I visit a friend regularly on Green Mountain and if I don't drop down 2 gears, I experience brake fate towards the end and that's with DOT4 fluid. Wow! That's the road slightly to the southeast of you correct? I've driven fairly aggressively on that stretch of road, and I've never had any fade (or ever for that matter). I've driven that stretch of road in the SD, 2.5T, and CDI. Maybe I'm not driving hard enough ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Tom Hargrave wrote: I have to admit that I experienced brake fade going down hill at 50 - 60 MPG and it was an interesting experience. These days, I go down hill at 30 - 35 MPH. I've slowed down a bit too... the faster the car I drive the more sane I drive (on *average*). With the SD it wasn't a problem to floor it at every light since you weren't all that much faster than traffic. I can't exactly do that with the CDI so I end up driving much slower. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Mine's based on experience - too many close calls. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade Tom Hargrave wrote: I have to admit that I experienced brake fade going down hill at 50 - 60 MPG and it was an interesting experience. These days, I go down hill at 30 - 35 MPH. I've slowed down a bit too... the faster the car I drive the more sane I drive (on *average*). With the SD it wasn't a problem to floor it at every light since you weren't all that much faster than traffic. I can't exactly do that with the CDI so I end up driving much slower. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
That baby is in your vegan nightmares. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Phoenix I didn't even eat Thanksgiving turkey so imagine how the Quad looks to me! On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the kids say, that place is off the hook. They need defibrillators in the lobby. Go there after your bloodwork. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Phoenix Do you plan to visit here? http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:45 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Rentfro wrote: Which John is coming to Phx? That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the 28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other obligations. Last time you passed up the meeting for a root canal! I mean, come on! ;) If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to. I'm not sure which interstate I'll be taking yet. Probably I-10 there and I-40 back (leaving from my parent's house on the coast). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] fading faaaading.......
...Is there anything else I can check?.. The brake fluid has been in there how long? R:E ** Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp; ncid=emlcntaolcom0002) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fluid change interval
...MB used to specify regular changes of brake fluid when your car was new. Don't know if they still do for newer cars, but your car still comes under the old regimen... Just as all my former MB's, my '08's service book still says every two years. RLE ** Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp; ncid=emlcntaolcom0002) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
How about calling your business Global Warming-R-Us? You see, composting will release more CO2, which according to Al Gore (let's take a momement to say Thanks for the Internet Al!) causes Man-Made Global Warming, drowning polar bears and sinking Pacific islands and allowing Brits to grow decent wine grapes (what Horror!) On second thought, I don't think it will work. Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:57:44 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,, -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
I was probably stupid enough 35 years ago (that would have put me at age 21) to tackle the quad, and eat it just to prove that I could. By the way, I am not vegan. Vegans can be a bit strange and radical -- especially the ones who refuse to wear leather shoes because the leather came from an oppressed animal. I go to work each day in blue Converse sneakers by choice (and a touch of rebellion) and not due to anything related to vegan pseudo-morality. My watchband and my belt and my wallet are leather. I am one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism I have zero desire for a steak ... but don't get between me and a pound of shrimp or some smoked salmon, or you just might get run over. Shrimp fajitas and I are almost on a first name basis. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That baby is in your vegan nightmares. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
O. M. G. !!! I have one of these (the roast) in the freezer but haven't tried it yet. http://www.tofurky.com/products/tofurkyfeasts.htm -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Have you tried Bison (buffalo)? Almost fat free - and tasty! I am one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism I have zero desire for a steak ... but don't get between me and a pound of shrimp or some smoked salmon, or you just might get run over. Shrimp fajitas and I are almost on a first name basis. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
Go the link I provided then get back to me. If it has lungs, I don't eat it. If it has gills, come to daddy. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:01 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried Bison (buffalo)? Almost fat free - and tasty! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The Army in Afghanistan
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Re: [MBZ] fading faaaading.......
i'd guess skanky fluid too. that alone, or added to abrupt breaking habits, can be the path to unwanted adventure. i've never really experienced any scary sort of brake fade. maybe i was just raised on the philosophy of not heating up those drum brakes or maybe just that i keep the fluid pretty fresh. i also might wonder about caliper or master cylinder issues. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Is there anything else I can check?.. The brake fluid has been in there how long? R:E ** Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp; ncid=emlcntaolcom0002) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Army in Afghanistan
some really good images there. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/11/afghanistans_korengal_valley.html ** Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp; ncid=emlcntaolcom0002) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
Yep, composting releases the dreaded CO2 gas into the air. But so does breathing passing gas! So, I have a suggestion for this global warming mess - let's all of us not eat pinto beans, broccoli or other gassy food for one year. The CO2 emissions saved by not passing gas should have a huge impact on the total atmospheric CO2 concentration! We also need to install butt plugs on dairy cows... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:47 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k How about calling your business Global Warming-R-Us? You see, composting will release more CO2, which according to Al Gore (let's take a momement to say Thanks for the Internet Al!) causes Man-Made Global Warming, drowning polar bears and sinking Pacific islands and allowing Brits to grow decent wine grapes (what Horror!) On second thought, I don't think it will work. Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:57:44 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,, -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
