[MBZ] 1/2-ton truck

2009-04-22 Thread Dan Weeks
If they don't know much about cars, buying something very used to move  
halfway across the country is risky. If a bad trans strands them,  
their costs go up considerably. I'd only buy a truck if they need a  
truck later.


I have a wonderfully ingenious and very cheap utility trailer, made by  
snowbear and purchased from Home Depot for $600. It is a 5x8 box  
trailer that converts to a 12.5x8 flatbed, as the headgate and  
tailgate can be dropped to horizontal. It's low to the ground and  
weighs 500# empty. Will haul far more volume than a half-ton pickup,  
and just about anything l can tow it (including my 70 hp Vanagon). It  
paid for itself in one trip to Iowa from Maine, (has made two round  
trips so far, both loaded to the gills) and has hauled literally tons  
and tons and tons of stuff with no maintenance whatsoever. Is  
endlessly useful, and prevents having to buy a truck.


That would be my suggestion for a moving vehicle, if they have a car  
larger than the mini. Pack both cars, load the trailer, drive the  
mini, tow the trailer with the other car.


They must be careful to load the trailer so the tongue load is right  
around 10# of the payload. Trailer tows wonderfully. If they need more  
capacity, towing the trailer with a van or truck should provide such.


You don't need much HP to tow. I towed the above trailer from Maine to  
Iowa with a pickup, with a half-ton in the truck and nearly a ton on  
the trailer. Pickup was a 1986 S-10 4 cyl, 5 speed. Came all the way  
home at 65, in 5th, getting 18 mpg. That's only 2.5 liters and 92 hp.  
Had to downshift to 4th once, to pull the three-mile upgrade ascending  
the Berkshires on the mass pike. The berkshires are not the rockies,  
but I was still in 4th, and still going 65


If they tow with an automatic, they need a trans cooler. Sticks are  
fine as is.


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Sheesh, it was only a few years ago I was getting 400Mhz G4s from work and 
putting them on eBay for $400... Well 4 years ago I guess, but still.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:18:29 -0400
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote:

 Dan,

 The university junk sale is selling these for  $125 or less now, so I
 shoulda sold it several years ago.


Also, with the move to Intel processors, the price has literally dropped out
from under the PPC macs.

G5's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g5-prices.html
---
   1.8Ghz Single - $450
   1.8Ghz Dual - $599

G4's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g4-prices.html
---
   933Mhz QuickSilver (Leopard Capable) - $200
   400Mhz Sawtooth (Tiger Capable) - $50

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Too many miles...

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/1134009365.html - cheaper, fewer miles

But really the way to go if they're going to spend that kind of money is to buy 
a UHaul truck...
http://www.uhaul.com/trucksales/

If it were me I'd rent one.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:03:41 -0500
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?
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The kids on the East coast are going to move to OK next month, and are
thinking that buying a used truck is better than hiring a moving co. or
renting from u-haul. Problem is that neither of them have a clue about
automobiles.
They've found a 2001 GMS Sierra plain truck, 4.8 V8, auto, with 190,000
miles for only $3,800 (!).

Anyone know anything about these vehicles?  Would it be a candidate for
towing a Mini?

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Re: [MBZ] 1/2-ton truck

2009-04-22 Thread Rich Thomas

Maybe Wonko could loan them his $200 trocka for the ride.

--R





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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread LarryT

CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!  And the price keeps dropping -

LarryT

- Original Message - 
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To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs


Sheesh, it was only a few years ago I was getting 400Mhz G4s from work and 
putting them on eBay for $400... Well 4 years ago I guess, but still.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:18:29 -0400
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Loren Faeth 
lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote:



Dan,

The university junk sale is selling these for $125 or less now, so I
shoulda sold it several years ago.



Also, with the move to Intel processors, the price has literally dropped out
from under the PPC macs.

G5's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g5-prices.html
---
1.8Ghz Single - $450
1.8Ghz Dual - $599

G4's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g4-prices.html
---
933Mhz QuickSilver (Leopard Capable) - $200
400Mhz Sawtooth (Tiger Capable) - $50

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Rich Thomas
I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free shipping 
no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle.  I 
did discover that formatting it to get it recognizable by winders 
involved some obscure process, but once I did that it worked fine.  I 
also discovered that my main drive, 250GB, was initially formatted with 
only one partition at 125GB, so turning the other 125GB into a second 
logical drive saved the need for the 1TB drive, but now I have things 
double-backed up.


--R

LarryT wrote:

CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!  And the price keeps dropping -

LarryT

- Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs


Sheesh, it was only a few years ago I was getting 400Mhz G4s from work 
and putting them on eBay for $400... Well 4 years ago I guess, but still.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:18:29 -0400
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Loren Faeth 
lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote:



Dan,

The university junk sale is selling these for $125 or less now, so I
shoulda sold it several years ago.



Also, with the move to Intel processors, the price has literally 
dropped out

from under the PPC macs.

G5's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g5-prices.html
---
1.8Ghz Single - $450
1.8Ghz Dual - $599

G4's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g4-prices.html
---
933Mhz QuickSilver (Leopard Capable) - $200
400Mhz Sawtooth (Tiger Capable) - $50

EdB



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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Cathey

CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!


I recall that I once was tempted by an 80MB drive
that was about $1000 at the time.  I didn't buy it,
and I've never regretted it!

Work is throwing away an Exabyte tape carousel backup
system.  Who knows how many TB it holds at once, but
it's tapes...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:
I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free shipping 
no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle. 


I was just looking at Amazon, the $85 Seagate looked like a good deal, but why 
only 3 stars on customer ratings? It seems that they had a firmware problem in 
the drives and many of them bricked themselves.
I also noticed a review on Amazon that suggested a lot of the cheap drives were 
OEM not retail, and the bozos were shipping them unpadded via Fedex and UPS.


What's a good price on a retail box 1TB drive these days?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Allan Streib
A lot of PCs now come with two partitions, one for actual use and one
that serves as a recovery partition, storing images of the original
OS, drivers, and other software that shipped with the PC.


On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:23 -0400, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free shipping
 no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle.
 I did discover that formatting it to get it recognizable by winders
 involved some obscure process, but once I did that it worked fine.  I
 also discovered that my main drive, 250GB, was initially formatted
 with only one partition at 125GB, so turning the other 125GB into a
 second logical drive saved the need for the 1TB drive, but now I have
 things double-backed up.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Loren Faeth
I've always bought OEM drives, no problem.  Mine have always arrived 
well protected, but I have only bought one drive in the last 4 years 
or so.  Guess it depends on the merchant.


At 08:43 AM 4/22/2009, you wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free 
shipping no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle.


I was just looking at Amazon, the $85 Seagate looked like a good 
deal, but why only 3 stars on customer ratings? It seems that they 
had a firmware problem in the drives and many of them bricked themselves.
I also noticed a review on Amazon that suggested a lot of the cheap 
drives were OEM not retail, and the bozos were shipping them 
unpadded via Fedex and UPS.


What's a good price on a retail box 1TB drive these days?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Rich Thomas
This was one I put in myself, not sure why it formatted that way, but I 
fixed it more or less.  I hate dealing with that kind of thing, it 
should be easy (in winders).


--R

Allan Streib wrote:

A lot of PCs now come with two partitions, one for actual use and one
that serves as a recovery partition, storing images of the original
OS, drivers, and other software that shipped with the PC.


On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:23 -0400, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  

I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free shipping
no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle.
I did discover that formatting it to get it recognizable by winders
involved some obscure process, but once I did that it worked fine.  I
also discovered that my main drive, 250GB, was initially formatted
with only one partition at 125GB, so turning the other 125GB into a
second logical drive saved the need for the 1TB drive, but now I have
things double-backed up.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Mine was OEM and showed up in a box with some bubble wrap, it was in one 
of those nasty indestructible plastic packages.  You need to get cables 
with them too, they don't come with one.  The SATA cable was like $6 or 
so, and I think I got a power adapter too.  I probably had some in a box 
somewhere, but they were cheap enough.  newegg is good, if it didn't 
work they take care of it right quick.  I bought a projector from them 2 
or 3 yr ago, it was DOA, they sent me a shipping label and shipped me 
another one immediately while I was shipping the dead one back.  I 
thought that was quite trustworthy for a $700 item.


--R

Loren Faeth wrote:
I've always bought OEM drives, no problem.  Mine have always arrived 
well protected, but I have only bought one drive in the last 4 years 
or so.  Guess it depends on the merchant.


At 08:43 AM 4/22/2009, you wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free 
shipping no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, 
no hassle.


I was just looking at Amazon, the $85 Seagate looked like a good 
deal, but why only 3 stars on customer ratings? It seems that they 
had a firmware problem in the drives and many of them bricked 
themselves.
I also noticed a review on Amazon that suggested a lot of the cheap 
drives were OEM not retail, and the bozos were shipping them unpadded 
via Fedex and UPS.


What's a good price on a retail box 1TB drive these days?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] shoegoo

2009-04-22 Thread Rich Thomas

I finally bought some shoegoo and I am going to use it on..shoes!

--R

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Re: [MBZ] shoegoo

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Cathey

I finally bought some shoegoo and I am going to use it on..shoes!


I remember when I bought my first tube...  Also for shoes.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Spork plugs (380 SL)

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Cathey

I've run for about a week after replacing the stem seals
on #7, and it's running rough again.  I pulled #7, and it
is still wet and a bit oily, but not all chunky with crud
like before.  Don't know what to think.  The bad running
is variable, so I suppose it can be largely laid to leaking
intake air, though I haven't proven this yet.  I'm short of
time to work on this stuff.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?

2009-04-22 Thread Loren Faeth
I'd buy the 26' uhaul IH truck for $3900.  You might have room to 
haul the mini and the stuff.  In OK, they can most likely sell the 
truck for $4000



At 07:52 AM 4/22/2009, you wrote:

Too many miles...

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/1134009365.html - cheaper, fewer miles

But really the way to go if they're going to spend that kind of 
money is to buy a UHaul truck...

http://www.uhaul.com/trucksales/

If it were me I'd rent one.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:03:41 -0500
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
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The kids on the East coast are going to move to OK next month, and are
thinking that buying a used truck is better than hiring a moving co. or
renting from u-haul. Problem is that neither of them have a clue about
automobiles.
They've found a 2001 GMS Sierra plain truck, 4.8 V8, auto, with 190,000
miles for only $3,800 (!).

Anyone know anything about these vehicles?  Would it be a candidate for
towing a Mini?

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Re: [MBZ] Spork plugs (380 SL)

2009-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley

Jim Cathey wrote:

I've run for about a week after replacing the stem seals
on #7, and it's running rough again. 


Dribbling injector?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?

2009-04-22 Thread Allan Streib
Wow I don't know if I'd buy a used U-Haul truck.  Talk about something that's 
seen a hard life -- lots of drivers who are not very experienced at driving a 
vehicle that size.

But, I guess they are made to a tougher standard than a consumer/light duty 
truck.

Allan


On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:06 -0500, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote:

 I'd buy the 26' uhaul IH truck for $3900.  You might have room to 
 haul the mini and the stuff.  In OK, they can most likely sell the 
 truck for $4000

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[MBZ] Service repair manual link

2009-04-22 Thread Robert Massmann


doeas anyone on the list have a link for the service and repair manual for a 
1995 E 300 D. I am starting to change filter and such,   and need to review 
where items are located. Next item on my list is to change the thermostat to 
fix a low operating temperature. The gauge seems to be working as the temp does 
increase to near 80 deg C on long hill climbs, but cools back down on the down 
hill run. I think the thermostat is located under the exit pipe coming off the 
left front of the block and then going to the bottom of the radiator. 



Regards, 

Bob Massmann 

Oregonia, Ohio 

95 E300D 268K miles 
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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
And here I thought CompUSA had gone out of business.
Oh wait, they had, this is the All New Compusa.com...

Their stores were horrible.

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:08:09 -0400
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CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!  And the price keeps dropping -

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

2009-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley

LarryT wrote:

CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!  And the price keeps dropping -


Just ordered a 1TB Hitachi from zipzoomfly.com for $84 before $10 rebate.
Same drive was $88 at CompUSA.com

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread LarryT
I am finally getting close (I think) to being able to install XP in my new 
laptop which came with Vista Ultimate.   After writing 6  or 7 emails and 
kept getting different solutions and suggestions.  Toward the end of the 
email discussions I was told I should try a dual boot system.   I am very 
willing to use a dual boot system but it's  a catch 22 affair -  supposed to 
install the older vers software (XP) 1st.  Unfortunately cannot do this 
because the drivers are not installed on the XP CDs.


Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but 
then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is 
newer than the OS being attempted to install!  Well, damn!


Anyway - got a supervisor guy involved and it appears he's going to locate 
the needed driver for me.   That's where I am at the moment - but he sounds 
like he knows how to get a XP driver loaded.  (fingers crossed)


Will let ya'll know if it works  -- Be persistant in complaining to 
Microsoft!


LarryT

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Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer


If you do figure out how to get back to XP let me know. My daughter has a 
new HP laptop that she wants to go back to XP on. Problem is HP he doesn't 
provide any drivers for the computer that will work with XP. Since she 
uses the computer for relaxation (games). Linux won't work because the 
games she wants to run won't run on Linux. or is there some way to install 
XP in Linux and have the Linux drivers run the computer? How much would 
that slow things down because she has the games turned down to medium to 
low detail just to run them now. Any slow down and you might as well 
forget about playing.


Manfred



Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:47:36 -0400
From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net
Subject: [MBZ] QRe:  Ext HDD, was RE:  OT -new computer

Hi Tim -
Thx but no thx - it sounds too complicated for no improvement in
performance.  You didn't mention if it would improve security but I doubt
it,.

You're right about the configuration - presently the Ext HD is shown as a
drive in the desktop.   And when on the desktop I see it like that - it
shows the 2 HDs in the puter and the 3rd as C, D, E  F and H as the ext. 
I
use software called Network Magic which makes things nuch easier to set 
up.
I had tried unsuccessfuly to set up the LAN so I could print (printer 
hooked

to desktop) with the laptop - followed the instructions but still it said
No!  But NM configured it perfectly.  Until my new laptop added Vista to 
the
mess.  But that too can be fixed. once I get rid of Vista and install 
XP

again.

Thx agn

Take care --
LarryT
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley

LarryT wrote:

Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work 
but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS 
installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install!  Well, damn!


I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB 
drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 
2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from 
doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not 
Vista, only system restore disks for Vista.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?

2009-04-22 Thread Tony Wirtel
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?
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 I'd buy the 26' uhaul IH truck for $3900.  You might have room to
 haul the mini and the stuff.  In OK, they can most likely sell the
 truck for $4000


Personally, I'd rent one.  But if they want to buy a truck my company
has a 2000 GMC w/26' box that they're getting ready to sell for that
kind of money.

Could either put the Mini inside (lol) or tow it w/the ball already there.

Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer

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[MBZ] Cheap 380SEC near me, what should I look for?

2009-04-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pts/1130184457.html

This is just down the road from me, so I am compelled to go take a
look.  What could be wrong with a W126 trans that doesn't shift into
4th, knowing that the seller has already eliminated the clutch and
throwout bearing as possibilities?  ;)

I know, of course, that I need to look for the dreaded single-row
timing chain on the 3.8 liter... is the difference between single- and
double-row chains obvious once I get a valve cover off?

Anything else to look for?  I've never driven a gas 126 or a coupe,
but have test-driven 300SDs and SDLs at various times so I have a
rough idea what the car ought to feel like if the suspension is in
decent shape. (And I should expect it to have about the same amount of
grunt as an SDL, right?)

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 380SEC near me, what should I look for?

2009-04-22 Thread John Freer
Could be something as simple as a sticking downshift switch under the
gas pedal. Happened to me once.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pts/1130184457.html

 This is just down the road from me, so I am compelled to go take a
 look.  What could be wrong with a W126 trans that doesn't shift into
 4th, knowing that the seller has already eliminated the clutch and
 throwout bearing as possibilities?  ;)

 I know, of course, that I need to look for the dreaded single-row
 timing chain on the 3.8 liter... is the difference between single- and
 double-row chains obvious once I get a valve cover off?

 Anything else to look for?  I've never driven a gas 126 or a coupe,
 but have test-driven 300SDs and SDLs at various times so I have a
 rough idea what the car ought to feel like if the suspension is in
 decent shape. (And I should expect it to have about the same amount of
 grunt as an SDL, right?)

 Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread Ed Booher
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 LarryT wrote:

  Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work
 but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is
 newer than the OS being attempted to install!  Well, damn!


 I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a
 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP
 Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has
 prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP
 install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista.

 Mitch.


The problem lies in the way the NT kernel boots from disk. The NT Boot
Loader lives in the Master Boot Record (MBR) and searches the C:\ drive for
it's master configuration file BOOT.INI. This file tells the NT Boot
Loader where it can find the version of NT you want to boot. Ergo, if you
install Vista to drive R:\ you *can* boot Vista from this drive but have to
tell the Loader where to find it. If you install Vista first, then XP it
overwrites the BOOT.INI as well as the NT Boot Loader. So even if you add
Vista back to the BOOT.INI it's the wrong version of the Loader to Bootstrap
the Vista version of the NT Kernel.

Also in the way many areas of the systems are shared. Ergo, when you install
XP you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared
libraries and files for all programs that XP will use. When you install
Vista you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared
. err  wait. So when you install Vista first and XP second, the XP
libraries are the ones most current, and as such Vista could potentially
have a problem with those that aren't stored in the System32 directories
from the OS main directory.

The correct answer is that you *can* install Vista *first* and then install
XP and get it to work properly if you are extremely meticulous and either RO
the files that Vista needs that XP will overwrite, or move these files to
move them back later. Also, you can slipstream a copy of XP in such a manner
that none of the default install locations are chosen and force it to put XP
in totally different locations. However, though Microsoft knows all of this
and *could* help walk you through the process, it's several hours worth of
work and as such it's far easier to simply say: You must install XP first,
then Vista to perform an NT dual boot

The easiest way, in my opinion, to dual boot Microsoft OS's is to have
multiple hard drives. Either physical or logical. Physical is far easier,
but there is a way to build logical drives on a single disk using a Linux
fdisk (because the Microsoft fdisk won't let you do this) to set each
logical drive as the bootable partition in turn. Install the OS, to the
partition that the OS *thinks* is C:\, then switch the bootable partition
for the next one, then set the BOOT.INI on the final install to look at the
rest of the logicals. Rather convoluted, but doable. The better way is
physical drives where you temporarily unplug the drive for one to install on
the other then have a large final drive to store shared applications like
Firefox or Photoshop or whatever will be running in both OS's. You do *not*
have to leave either drive unplugged after install, just during. After
install you would set the Vista drive as Master and point it's BOOT.INI to
boot XP from the second drive.

Regards,

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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread Ed Booher
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a
 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP
 Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has
 prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP
 install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista.

 Mitch.


Also as you have a valid Vista license key, you can use *any* Vista install
media to install a full version of Vista. Find a friend and ask him to
provide you with an off-site archival copy of his install media that you
will protect for him. Then you can borrow his archival copy to reinstall
your version of Vista. This is because *all* Vista DVD's are the *exact*
same. They all include all versions. The difference is in the literal key
that you hold that unlocks portions of the Vista install, but not others.

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[MBZ] clown car for Wonko

2009-04-22 Thread Allan Streib
If you like the Smart, you oughtta love this

 http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/04/we-drive-the-ap.html

Now we just need to wait for the big oil/Detroit conspiracy to figure out a 
way to squash it...

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer

2009-04-22 Thread Ed Booher
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 It's really not that difficult.   Each HD will have a diagram showing where
 to place a jumper to make one HD the master and one the slave.  Using
 tweezers make it the easier.  It really is


*Most* new computers, and as such most new OEM ATA drives, do not even ship
with a Master or Slave configuration. There is a third option, called Cable
Select, that allows you to put the drive in on any open IDE connector and
have it work, again provided that the computer is only a couple of years
old. The cable itself becomes the determinator as to whether the drive is
configured as Master or Slave.

Most *drives* made in the last, oh, 7 years have the CS setting. But
computers have only recently started using it properly.

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[MBZ] a/c questions

2009-04-22 Thread Anthony Galioto
I have a 1983 240D which needs a a/c system check and charge.  All the
places I have gone to want to convert the system to r234a. I do not want to
convert it to that gas because of the reports here that it isn't good for
this age vehicle and in fact does not cool that well.
I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable replacements.
I have asked the local indys and they will not use any of the products.  I
have never worked on an A/C system and do not have the tools or knowledge to
vacuum the system and do not know how to go about it.
Any suggestions and advice are welcomed.

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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread LarryT

Hi Ed -
   I think I'd definately go the route of 2 physical hard drives if these 
weren't a laptop.  I already have several hard drives for laptops so if I 
could do it this way using USB ext encl or HD docking station I would.


   Also - I saw some connectors o convert from ATA to SATA but assumed that 
wouldn't help - probably isn't room in he laptop anyway.  Would that work in 
a desktop? I have a SATA HD I could

put in my desktop if it would.

   Actually I attempted to install XP via a ext encl but the install 
program didn't pick up that drive.   I assumed it will not install thru a 
ext location?


   The logical drive strategy certainly seem complex!

   BTW - I have software that sets up logical drives which are used for 
games that req the disc to be in the machine to run the program. But didn't 
consider it for this application.  Would that work?


   Thx -
LarryT

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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer



On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


LarryT wrote:

 Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work
but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS 
installed is

newer than the OS being attempted to install!  Well, damn!



I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered 
a

1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP
Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has
prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a 
XP

install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista.

Mitch.



The problem lies in the way the NT kernel boots from disk. The NT Boot
Loader lives in the Master Boot Record (MBR) and searches the C:\ drive 
for

it's master configuration file BOOT.INI. This file tells the NT Boot
Loader where it can find the version of NT you want to boot. Ergo, if you
install Vista to drive R:\ you *can* boot Vista from this drive but have 
to

tell the Loader where to find it. If you install Vista first, then XP it
overwrites the BOOT.INI as well as the NT Boot Loader. So even if you add
Vista back to the BOOT.INI it's the wrong version of the Loader to 
Bootstrap

the Vista version of the NT Kernel.

Also in the way many areas of the systems are shared. Ergo, when you 
install

XP you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared
libraries and files for all programs that XP will use. When you install
Vista you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of 
shared

. err  wait. So when you install Vista first and XP second, the XP
libraries are the ones most current, and as such Vista could potentially
have a problem with those that aren't stored in the System32 directories
from the OS main directory.

The correct answer is that you *can* install Vista *first* and then 
install
XP and get it to work properly if you are extremely meticulous and either 
RO

the files that Vista needs that XP will overwrite, or move these files to
move them back later. Also, you can slipstream a copy of XP in such a 
manner
that none of the default install locations are chosen and force it to put 
XP
in totally different locations. However, though Microsoft knows all of 
this

and *could* help walk you through the process, it's several hours worth of
work and as such it's far easier to simply say: You must install XP 
first,

then Vista to perform an NT dual boot

The easiest way, in my opinion, to dual boot Microsoft OS's is to have
multiple hard drives. Either physical or logical. Physical is far easier,
but there is a way to build logical drives on a single disk using a Linux
fdisk (because the Microsoft fdisk won't let you do this) to set each
logical drive as the bootable partition in turn. Install the OS, to the
partition that the OS *thinks* is C:\, then switch the bootable 
partition
for the next one, then set the BOOT.INI on the final install to look at 
the

rest of the logicals. Rather convoluted, but doable. The better way is
physical drives where you temporarily unplug the drive for one to install 
on

the other then have a large final drive to store shared applications like
Firefox or Photoshop or whatever will be running in both OS's. You do 
*not*

have to leave either drive unplugged after install, just during. After
install you would set the Vista drive as Master and point it's BOOT.INI to
boot XP from the second drive.

Regards,

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] 300D mileage

2009-04-22 Thread ernest breakfield
i'd imagine that the CD might get slightly better fuel economy at speed 
in part because it's not as tall and doesn't present as high a frontal 
profile to the wind.
   frankly, in our '85 300D, we rarely see much better than 20MPG, but 
i'm sure that's in part because it's a California car with the (3rd 
generation) Trap Oxidizer, and we're almost always running B99.9. 
(mileage is *slightly* better when using regular #2.)



cheers!
e


kevin kraly wrote:
28MPG is the best I've gotten with a '78 300CD.  This was during an 
1100 mile trip from Southern California to Hillsboro, Oregon with only 
1 cold start (doable with 2 drivers).  We never stayed below 60 other 
than mountain passes.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula

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Re: [MBZ] No preglow indicator lite, no start - epilogue

2009-04-22 Thread ernest breakfield

dare i ask; how does your *old* battery test now?   ;-)


cheers!
e


glenn brown wrote:

Boy, do I feel even stupider!  After so many of you suggested that either my 
meter readings may have been low or there may be a problem with the charging 
system in my '84 300D, I checked/zeroed my Triplett meter and after zeroing the 
meter the new battery voltage at the battery terminals with the car off = 
12.3VDC, and when the car is idling = 13.5VDC.

 


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Brevard, NC

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[MBZ] OT Qantas12 Super- A380 review (long)

2009-04-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino

An iteresting review written by an aviation professional.  This was
forwarded to me by my wife, received from one of her fellow airline
employees.

This is for all you aviation buffs out there:

Qantas12 Super

So my New Year's resolution for 2009 is to non-rev on airplanes that I've
studied closely through their development and entry into service or are
aviation classics that have been flying for years. All would be on airplanes
I have never flown in before but have had the life goal to experience. 

In February, the first from the list was the Embraer 190, which has
impressed me in many areas (separate review). However, the airplane that
I've had my eye on the most since my ride on the Concorde in 1985 and an
airplane I have studied since 1998 during its design concept phase is the
Airbus A380. There are currently only 13 in service (6 SQ, 4 EK  3 QF). I
knew my only chance to ride on one this early in its production would be the
Qantas flight(s) from LA to either Sydney or Melbourne. My research in
January showed that even with only 3 aircraft at Qantas and 14-15 hour legs,
the best window was Wednesdays in LA as both the SYD and MEL flights were
scheduled to be A380s. I had ZED tickets ready for both cities. The 2nd SYD
flight those nights is still a B747-400. There are only 5 A380 flights a
WEEK out of LA to Australia so I'm glad I didn't have to decide of riding
the B747-400 instead if both A380s were full that night. Yup, I probably
would have waited for Friday's A380 to Sydney.

So I planned the details and picked a Wednesday to attempt to non-rev on the
A380. My intuition all week told me I'd would, in fact , get to ride the
A380 on my first attempt and be treated to the latest Qantas delivery, Tail
VH-OQC, named Paul McGuiness after a founder of Qantas. It was delivered
just this last Dec 27th. As I saw the aircraft for the first time being
towed to the gate about 3 hrs prior to departure, it was indeed that tail
number so I felt it would be my night.

I got my seat assignment just 20 mins prior to departure and I chuckled to
myself when I saw it was seat 75G on my boarding pass which was the lower
level, and no, not the last row (that's row 88). I boarded through the
economy door at the gate as the business class gate door was about 20
feet away and you could see it inclined to board directly to the upper deck.
I was last to board that night. My seat was aisle but in the middle section,
and just aft of the wing root. 

As I boarded and saw the smiles and enthusiasm of the crew about being on
this unique airplane, I definitely felt very lucky and content that I would
be riding A380 and excited to see what this experience would be like. The
seats (in economy) are the new slimline seats with state of the art features
and entertainment system. I was in the ugly green seat section that got
mixed reviews during its unveiling. There's three separate economy sections
broken up to get away from the movie theater look (as explained to my by the
flight attendant during an airplane tour--more on the tour later). The first
seat section is in Qantas red and the last in orange.

I think my A380 experience is best epitomized by the Captain's opening PA
just prior to pusback, We are very pleased and proud to present the A380 to
you tonight on our flight across the Pacific, welcome aboard. That will
always stick with me. Flight time to SYD was the typically 14 hr 22 mins,
now my third time on this exact city pair. The other two were a B747SP (Pan
Am) in
'85 and a B747-400 (Air New Zealand) in '99. I believe cruise was at M0.84,
just slightly slower than M.85 for B744 as the 2nd Sydney flight that night
was 10 mins shorter. 

The Captain directed us to the seat back display where we could watch the
tail camera view for the entire flight including taxi out and takeoff. We
pushed about 20 mins late (22:50) and I could hear the disc brakes release
with a clunk. The hydraulic motor to run the flaps was noticeably loud and
distinct.
The hydraulic system on the A380 is unique with its 5000 PSI system (versus
the 3000 PSI of other aircraft). After engine start, I was disappointed to
see (and
hear) the switch over from APU power to engine generators as the lights
flickered for a second, one time for each side of the airplane. The B777
solved this interruption in power back in 1996. Hello Seattle, Toulouse
calling!

We were parked at gate 101 at the Bradley International terminal (very south
end, especially modified for A380 with two air-bridges). There's only two
A380-ready gates at LAX. Rwy 24L was selected  (probably noise abatement
procedures as after 11pm are for arrivals on 7L/R and departures on 24L/R.)
We taxied on the most west N-S taxiway to the north complex which is unusual
but there are special operating procedures for A380 at LAX due to its being
a group
7 aircraft. Four airport ops vehicles surrounded us with lights ablazing
during the entire taxi and I did not see any parallel taxiway traffic. We
rolled 

Re: [MBZ] 380 SEC

2009-04-22 Thread Dan Weeks
My 126 would not upshift to 4th for a while, and a drain-and-refill,  
along with cleaning the trans filter screen, fixed it. A fluid flush  
did not.


Dan

Dan Weeks
Freelance Writing  Photography
515/279-4825




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What could be wrong with a W126 trans that doesn't shift into
4th,



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Re: [MBZ] clown car for Wonko

2009-04-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
That would be perfect for the type of driving I do.

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 If you like the Smart, you oughtta love this

  http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/04/we-drive-the-ap.html

 Now we just need to wait for the big oil/Detroit conspiracy to figure out
 a way to squash it...

 Allan

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Re: [MBZ] radio online

2009-04-22 Thread andrew strasfogel
So...  has either of you heard pianist Marc-Andre Hamelin?  Listen to him
playing the Chopin Barcarolle on YouTube, or other works that are more
obscure...  Then let me know your opinion.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:58 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I could fall into this catagory as well ---

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com
 wrote:

  On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:59:49 -0400 andrew strasfogel
  astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I am a unidimensional classical music zealot - don't care for most
 types
   of jazz...
 
  Hey! There's actually something Andrew and I agree on!
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?

2009-04-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 Wow I don't know if I'd buy a used U-Haul truck.  Talk about something that's 
 seen a hard life --
 lots of drivers who are not very experienced at driving a vehicle that size.

And who knows how well it's been maintained?  A contractor friend of
mine says he'd buy just about any used fleet vehicle with confidence
*except* a U-Haul.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?

2009-04-22 Thread tyler
I've rented U-haul trucks several times, and nearly every time it broke 
down due to severe neglect. One truck had the alternator fail, the 
engine overheat, and the tailgate cables break all within ~20 miles. The 
tires are also almost always dangerously cracked, and at the wrong 
pressure! I think they take a leave it alone until it breaks approach 
to maintenance on their trucks.


Once I rented a car trailer for them, and they hooked it to my car, and 
told me I was good to go. I went back to double check, and the safety 
chains were still on the ground not hooked up, the tongue wasn't latched 
onto the ball, and the lights were wired wrong.


I'll keep renting from them since they're so cheap...

Tyler

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
  

Wow I don't know if I'd buy a used U-Haul truck.  Talk about something that's 
seen a hard life --
lots of drivers who are not very experienced at driving a vehicle that size.



And who knows how well it's been maintained?  A contractor friend of
mine says he'd buy just about any used fleet vehicle with confidence
*except* a U-Haul.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Good luck beating up Microsoft but in this case it doesn't sound like its their 
fault. Sounds like the hardware manufacturers haven't provided drivers that are 
compatible with XP since they figured you'd stick with whatever POS operating 
system they give you.

This is unfortunately very common with *ahem* more budget conscious hardware...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:27:46 -0400
From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe:  Ext HDD, was RE:  OT -new computer
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: 933ffa014ddf47db8651382db6cc8...@larrypc
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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 I am finally getting close (I think) to being able to install XP in my new 
laptop which came with Vista Ultimate.   After writing 6  or 7 emails and 
kept getting different solutions and suggestions.  Toward the end of the 
email discussions I was told I should try a dual boot system.   I am very 
willing to use a dual boot system but it's  a catch 22 affair -  supposed to 
install the older vers software (XP) 1st.  Unfortunately cannot do this 
because the drivers are not installed on the XP CDs.

Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but 
then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is 
newer than the OS being attempted to install!  Well, damn!

Anyway - got a supervisor guy involved and it appears he's going to locate 
the needed driver for me.   That's where I am at the moment - but he sounds 
like he knows how to get a XP driver loaded.  (fingers crossed)

Will let ya'll know if it works  -- Be persistant in complaining to 
Microsoft!

LarryT


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - GMS 1/2 ton truck?

2009-04-22 Thread Allan Streib
My experience has been the same.  About the only think I think they really 
worry about are the brakes, I've never had one with bad brakes.  I've had 
slipping clutches, sloppy steering, near-bald tires, worn out oil-burning 
engines, but always good brakes.

Allan


On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:02 -0700, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
 I've rented U-haul trucks several times, and nearly every time it broke 
 down due to severe neglect. One truck had the alternator fail, the 
 engine overheat, and the tailgate cables break all within ~20 miles. The 
 tires are also almost always dangerously cracked, and at the wrong 
 pressure! I think they take a leave it alone until it breaks approach 
 to maintenance on their trucks.
 
 Once I rented a car trailer for them, and they hooked it to my car, and 
 told me I was good to go. I went back to double check, and the safety 
 chains were still on the ground not hooked up, the tongue wasn't latched 
 onto the ball, and the lights were wired wrong.
 
 I'll keep renting from them since they're so cheap...
 
 Tyler
 
 Alex Chamberlain wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

  Wow I don't know if I'd buy a used U-Haul truck.  Talk about something 
  that's seen a hard life --
  lots of drivers who are not very experienced at driving a vehicle that 
  size.
  
 
  And who knows how well it's been maintained?  A contractor friend of
  mine says he'd buy just about any used fleet vehicle with confidence
  *except* a U-Haul.
 
  Alex
 
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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Another one that isn't Microsoft's fault. The manufacturer is too cheap to 
develop a guided install or thinks you're too dumb to know how to work it. This 
Dell laptop I've inherited at work didn't have install disks as delivered but 
they were easily available from Dell's website for free no less. This is a very 
high end laptop though...

It seems strange to me that I'm defending Microsoft but when you work for a 
manufacturer I guess you develop a level of empathy...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:37:52 -0400
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe:  Ext HDD, was RE:  OT -new computer
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote:

 Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work 
 but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS 
 installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install!  Well, damn!

I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB 
drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 
2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from 
doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not 
Vista, only system restore disks for Vista.

Mitch.


  
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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
I think you may have pointed out a place in which Vista is actually superior to 
XP.
XP has 2 kinds of disk, OEM and purchaseable. They each have their own 
installation media and serial number and never the twain shall meet. Many 
people have been screwed because they only have a purchaseable XP disk but 
their computer is tagged with an OEM serial... We have a site license (which is 
a purchaseable type serial) for XP and I've gotten caught a couple times with 
only OEM disks...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:40:39 -0400
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a
 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP
 Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has
 prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP
 install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista.

 Mitch.


Also as you have a valid Vista license key, you can use *any* Vista install
media to install a full version of Vista. Find a friend and ask him to
provide you with an off-site archival copy of his install media that you
will protect for him. Then you can borrow his archival copy to reinstall
your version of Vista. This is because *all* Vista DVD's are the *exact*
same. They all include all versions. The difference is in the literal key
that you hold that unlocks portions of the Vista install, but not others.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Isn't SATA one drive one connector? Your post is a bit vauge...

On IDE to get full 133MB/s (which is still theoretical max) speed you need an 
80 connector cable (still 40 pins though) where one connector is for master and 
the other for slave. I've even got a computer that complains if the cable isn't 
80 pin and could be (meaning the drive supports it).

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:44:46 -0400
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 It's really not that difficult.   Each HD will have a diagram showing where
 to place a jumper to make one HD the master and one the slave.  Using
 tweezers make it the easier.  It really is


*Most* new computers, and as such most new OEM ATA drives, do not even ship
with a Master or Slave configuration. There is a third option, called Cable
Select, that allows you to put the drive in on any open IDE connector and
have it work, again provided that the computer is only a couple of years
old. The cable itself becomes the determinator as to whether the drive is
configured as Master or Slave.

Most *drives* made in the last, oh, 7 years have the CS setting. But
computers have only recently started using it properly.

EdB

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[MBZ] SATA controller?

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Anybody got experience with add-on SATA controllers?
I want to add a bunch of storage to one of my systems and eliminate a stack of 
SCSI external drives (They're LOUD) and SATA drives look like the 
cheaper/faster way to go, plus I've only got one open IDE slot.

Now remember I'll be editing video on this system, a cheap/crappy controller 
isn't acceptable. And yes of course I want to do this on the cheap, well as 
cheap as possible anyway...

-Curt



  
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[MBZ] OT Trailer lights

2009-04-22 Thread Rich Thomas
I have this little trailer I rigged up for the kayaks, it has the 
standard 4 plug boat trailer lights.  On the Suburban I got the towing 
package, it has this big round socket with what looks like about 8 
contacts inside, I presume for brakes and lights.  Anybody know if there 
is some sort of adapter to go from that round socket to the flat 4 plug 
connector?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Trailer lights

2009-04-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 I have this little trailer I rigged up for the kayaks, it has the standard 4
 plug boat trailer lights.  On the Suburban I got the towing package, it has
 this big round socket with what looks like about 8 contacts inside, I
 presume for brakes and lights.  Anybody know if there is some sort of
 adapter to go from that round socket to the flat 4 plug connector?


Yeah, check the towing section at any auto parts place.   I got one at
NAPA for $10 or so.  Works fine except it doesn't fit very snugly in
the round socket on the Burb.  Fixed that with a zip tie.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Trailer lights

2009-04-22 Thread WILTON

Have you checked Auto Zone?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Trailer lights


I have this little trailer I rigged up for the kayaks, it has the 
standard 4 plug boat trailer lights.  On the Suburban I got the towing 
package, it has this big round socket with what looks like about 8 
contacts inside, I presume for brakes and lights.  Anybody know if there 
is some sort of adapter to go from that round socket to the flat 4 plug 
connector?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

2009-04-22 Thread dave walton
I've been using 3Ware. It works okay. Use the 9500S for PCI-X and the
9650SE for PCI-E. The main drawback to 3Ware is that they don't
support VMWare ESX. They have a driver, but it sucks. If you want to
run that you need to use Adaptec-SAS or Areca. But then you run into
problems with the 2Tb limit of VMWare.  I tried the Adaptec 3805.
Works okay but does not have a 2Tb carving function so you have to run
multiple small arrays under ESX. I've not tried Areca but have heard
good things about them.

I've had nothing but problems with Promise and Highpoint controllers,
but that was a few years ago by now. Maybe they improved. I suspect
not.

For partitions  2Tb you need to use Guid not MBR volumes. That means
you can't boot off the large partition unless you are running an Intel
Itanium based system with it's special version of Windows. 3Ware 9650
has a feature to create a smaller boot partition from a large array
that looks like it's own drive to Windows. That saves you from
dedicating drives just to boot from.
Also - beware of running very large Dynamic volumes under Vista. It
does not like them. You need to use Windows 2003 or 2008 for that. I
was trying to configure a 10Tb volume and it became corrupted when
rebooting under Vista. I switched to Server 2008 and the problems went
away. My largest array is 16 - 1.5Tb SATA drives that gives just under
19TB usable using Raid-6. I use that for organizing backups before I
archive them. I get 3-5 Gig per minute throughput if I turn on write
caching. I'm lucky to get 1Gpm with caching off.

I got the Adaptec 3805 (8-port) for  $300 on eBay with the battery
backup module. I've seen the 3Ware 9650SE 16 port go for  $500.

You definitely need the BBU. I've already lost one array when a
machine blue-screened under heavy IO and did not have one installed.

All the controllers support adding additional drives and migrating the
array to include them so you can increase capacity. 3Ware also
supports incrementally swapping drives out for larger capacity ones,
but you need a custom script from Support to expand the array to
include the extra space. I've not tried that yet. Keep in mind that
the cluster size you start with has to accommodate the largest
partition size you will use. That is to say that you can't format with
a 512 byte cluster and later expand to a partition  2Tb. So I started
out my 19Tb partition with an 8192 byte cluster even though I did not
have all 16 drives in the initial configuration.

On a final note, getting data in and out of a large array can take a
while. I started using USB 2.0 external SATA Docking stations, but
they maxed out at ~ 20 Mb/sec. I switched to ESATA and that number
rose to 50 - 80 Mb/sec depending on the drive.

HTH

-Dave Walton

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Anybody got experience with add-on SATA controllers?
 I want to add a bunch of storage to one of my systems and eliminate a stack 
 of SCSI external drives (They're LOUD) and SATA drives look like the 
 cheaper/faster way to go, plus I've only got one open IDE slot.

 Now remember I'll be editing video on this system, a cheap/crappy controller 
 isn't acceptable. And yes of course I want to do this on the cheap, well as 
 cheap as possible anyway...

 -Curt




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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 380SEC near me, what should I look for?

2009-04-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop
well it says its an automatic but says it needs a clutch a throw out 
bearing.  Thats about like saying a diesel needs new spark plugs.


Alex Chamberlain wrote:

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pts/1130184457.html

This is just down the road from me, so I am compelled to go take a
look.  What could be wrong with a W126 trans that doesn't shift into
4th, knowing that the seller has already eliminated the clutch and
throwout bearing as possibilities?  ;)

I know, of course, that I need to look for the dreaded single-row
timing chain on the 3.8 liter... is the difference between single- and
double-row chains obvious once I get a valve cover off?

Anything else to look for?  I've never driven a gas 126 or a coupe,
but have test-driven 300SDs and SDLs at various times so I have a
rough idea what the car ought to feel like if the suspension is in
decent shape. (And I should expect it to have about the same amount of
grunt as an SDL, right?)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Trailer lights

2009-04-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop

yea, any walmart or anywhere that sells trailer stuff will have it

Rich Thomas wrote:
I have this little trailer I rigged up for the kayaks, it has the 
standard 4 plug boat trailer lights.  On the Suburban I got the towing 
package, it has this big round socket with what looks like about 8 
contacts inside, I presume for brakes and lights.  Anybody know if there 
is some sort of adapter to go from that round socket to the flat 4 plug 
connector?


--R

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[MBZ] burning fader switch

2009-04-22 Thread burgess1892
Hi,
You wrote in a comment a couple of years ago about removing the console
mounted fader switch and replacing it with a piece of plastic that was
fitted to the hole.  Where did you get that piece, or did you fabricate
it yourself?  My fader is toast, too, and I am in the process of
rewiring the sound system to bypass it.  I'd love to simply remove the
switch and put in a blank, rather than leave a dummy switch.
Thanks for your help.
 
Riley Burgess
('85 300SD)
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[MBZ] OT Qantas12 Super- A380 review (long)

2009-04-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino
An iteresting review written by an aviation professional.  This was
forwarded to me by my wife, received from one of her fellow airline
employees.

This is for all you aviation buffs out there:

Qantas12 Super

So my New Year's resolution for 2009 is to non-rev on airplanes that I've
studied closely through their development and entry into service or are
aviation classics that have been flying for years. All would be on airplanes
I have never flown in before but have had the life goal to experience. 

In February, the first from the list was the Embraer 190, which has
impressed me in many areas (separate review). However, the airplane that
I've had my eye on the most since my ride on the Concorde in 1985 and an
airplane I have studied since 1998 during its design concept phase is the
Airbus A380. There are currently only 13 in service (6 SQ, 4 EK  3 QF). I
knew my only chance to ride on one this early in its production would be the
Qantas flight(s) from LA to either Sydney or Melbourne. My research in
January showed that even with only 3 aircraft at Qantas and 14-15 hour legs,
the best window was Wednesdays in LA as both the SYD and MEL flights were
scheduled to be A380s. I had ZED tickets ready for both cities. The 2nd SYD
flight those nights is still a B747-400. There are only 5 A380 flights a
WEEK out of LA to Australia so I'm glad I didn't have to decide of riding
the B747-400 instead if both A380s were full that night. Yup, I probably
would have waited for Friday's A380 to Sydney.

So I planned the details and picked a Wednesday to attempt to non-rev on the
A380. My intuition all week told me I'd would, in fact , get to ride the
A380 on my first attempt and be treated to the latest Qantas delivery, Tail
VH-OQC, named Paul McGuiness after a founder of Qantas. It was delivered
just this last Dec 27th. As I saw the aircraft for the first time being
towed to the gate about 3 hrs prior to departure, it was indeed that tail
number so I felt it would be my night.

I got my seat assignment just 20 mins prior to departure and I chuckled to
myself when I saw it was seat 75G on my boarding pass which was the lower
level, and no, not the last row (that's row 88). I boarded through the
economy door at the gate as the business class gate door was about 20
feet away and you could see it inclined to board directly to the upper deck.
I was last to board that night. My seat was aisle but in the middle section,
and just aft of the wing root. 

As I boarded and saw the smiles and enthusiasm of the crew about being on
this unique airplane, I definitely felt very lucky and content that I would
be riding A380 and excited to see what this experience would be like. The
seats (in economy) are the new slimline seats with state of the art features
and entertainment system. I was in the ugly green seat section that got
mixed reviews during its unveiling. There's three separate economy sections
broken up to get away from the movie theater look (as explained to my by the
flight attendant during an airplane tour--more on the tour later). The first
seat section is in Qantas red and the last in orange.

I think my A380 experience is best epitomized by the Captain's opening PA
just prior to pusback, We are very pleased and proud to present the A380 to
you tonight on our flight across the Pacific, welcome aboard. That will
always stick with me. Flight time to SYD was the typically 14 hr 22 mins,
now my third time on this exact city pair. The other two were a B747SP (Pan
Am) in
'85 and a B747-400 (Air New Zealand) in '99. I believe cruise was at M0.84,
just slightly slower than M.85 for B744 as the 2nd Sydney flight that night
was 10 mins shorter. 

The Captain directed us to the seat back display where we could watch the
tail camera view for the entire flight including taxi out and takeoff. We
pushed about 20 mins late (22:50) and I could hear the disc brakes release
with a clunk. The hydraulic motor to run the flaps was noticeably loud and
distinct.
The hydraulic system on the A380 is unique with its 5000 PSI system (versus
the 3000 PSI of other aircraft). After engine start, I was disappointed to
see (and
hear) the switch over from APU power to engine generators as the lights
flickered for a second, one time for each side of the airplane. The B777
solved this interruption in power back in 1996. Hello Seattle, Toulouse
calling!

We were parked at gate 101 at the Bradley International terminal (very south
end, especially modified for A380 with two air-bridges). There's only two
A380-ready gates at LAX. Rwy 24L was selected  (probably noise abatement
procedures as after 11pm are for arrivals on 7L/R and departures on 24L/R.)
We taxied on the most west N-S taxiway to the north complex which is unusual
but there are special operating procedures for A380 at LAX due to its being
a group
7 aircraft. Four airport ops vehicles surrounded us with lights ablazing
during the entire taxi and I did not see any parallel taxiway traffic. We
rolled at 

[MBZ] Recall: OT Qantas12 Super- A380 review (long)

2009-04-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Greg Fiorentino would like to recall the message, OT Qantas12 Super- A380
review (long).
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Re: [MBZ] burning fader switch

2009-04-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:16 PM,  burgess1...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Hi,
 You wrote in a comment a couple of years ago about removing the console
 mounted fader switch and replacing it with a piece of plastic that was
 fitted to the hole.  Where did you get that piece, or did you fabricate
 it yourself?  My fader is toast, too, and I am in the process of
 rewiring the sound system to bypass it.  I'd love to simply remove the
 switch and put in a blank, rather than leave a dummy switch.
 Thanks for your help.

I just cut a piece of scrap black plastic to fit and glued it in from
underneath.  It would be nicer if there were an official Mercedes part
for a blank switch location, but I know of no such.  Some people have
used the opportunity to drill a hole in the filler plate and mount
an audio jack or two there for an auxiliary input (iPod, etc.) to the
stereo, rather than have to make a hole somewhere else in the console.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Trailer lights

2009-04-22 Thread Rich Thomas
No, I live out here in the sticks, sorta organize my trips into 
civilization (such as it is) for Fridays, figured I would get whatever 
when I go out and about.  I'll check the auto parts or El Mercado de Wal.


--R

WILTON wrote:

Have you checked Auto Zone?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Trailer lights


I have this little trailer I rigged up for the kayaks, it has the 
standard 4 plug boat trailer lights.  On the Suburban I got the 
towing package, it has this big round socket with what looks like 
about 8 contacts inside, I presume for brakes and lights.  Anybody 
know if there is some sort of adapter to go from that round socket to 
the flat 4 plug connector?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer

2009-04-22 Thread Ed Booher
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Isn't SATA one drive one connector? Your post is a bit vauge...


Correct. SATA is Serial, so 1:1 ratio. There is no such thing as
Master/Slave in SATA.


 On IDE to get full 133MB/s (which is still theoretical max) speed you need
 an 80 connector cable (still 40 pins though) where one connector is for
 master and the other for slave. I've even got a computer that complains if
 the cable isn't 80 pin and could be (meaning the drive supports it).


The drive that is complaining about the cable not being 80 pin is Cable
Select compatible. The 80 pin cable allows the IDE controller to sense which
connector the drive is plugged into, thus eliminating the need for the
Master/Slave jumper. Set it to CS and place it on Connector 1 for Master,
Connector 2 for Slave.

-Curt


EdB

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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread Ed Booher
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi Ed -
   I think I'd definately go the route of 2 physical hard drives if these
 weren't a laptop.  I already have several hard drives for laptops so if I
 could do it this way using USB ext encl or HD docking station I would.

   Also - I saw some connectors o convert from ATA to SATA but assumed that
 wouldn't help - probably isn't room in he laptop anyway.  Would that work in
 a desktop? I have a SATA HD I could
 put in my desktop if it would.


Sure, they have SATA to PATA (Serial to Parallel) adapters so you can use a
SATA HD in a PATA system. (PATA is IDE ATA) However you lose the speed
advantages of SATA. The better solution is to pick up a cheap SATA
controller and add that to the system instead of the converter. (The SATA
adapter is basically a SATA controller that interfaces with PATA instead of
PCI)

  Actually I attempted to install XP via a ext encl but the install program
 didn't pick up that drive.   I assumed it will not install thru a ext
 location?


The XP install you were using may not have included the latest USB drivers.
This is the problem with XP, it's getting long in the tooth. The original XP
did not have drivers for things that are common now, like SATA drives, or
USB 2.0 Hard Drives. Though I've never tried to boot XP from USB, so it
might simply be unable to do it.

  The logical drive strategy certainly seem complex!


It can be, especially if you ever get to a point that you have to reinstall
the OS on one of the logical partitions, because it's going to overwrite the
MBR and then you'll have to use another piece of software to restore it.
Linux is far more capable at dual booting in this regards. The Linux Boot
Loader, GRUB or LILO is easily able to load any kernel you point it at and
doesn't care about what's behind it because once the kernel bootstraps, the
kernel takes over system start.

  BTW - I have software that sets up logical drives which are used for games
 that req the disc to be in the machine to run the program. But didn't
 consider it for this application.  Would that work?


No, because that is creating logical drives in image files. Good for
virtualization like VirtualPC or VMWare, but not for direct boot from a cold
system.

  Thx -
 LarryT


EdB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer

2009-04-22 Thread tyler
I thought that the extra wires in an 80 pin cable were ground wires, 
which isolate the data wires from one another to allow higher transfer 
speeds and less cross talk. Cable select can still be used with 40 pin 
cables that are wired correctly.


Tyler

Ed Booher wrote:

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  

Isn't SATA one drive one connector? Your post is a bit vauge...




Correct. SATA is Serial, so 1:1 ratio. There is no such thing as
Master/Slave in SATA.


  

On IDE to get full 133MB/s (which is still theoretical max) speed you need
an 80 connector cable (still 40 pins though) where one connector is for
master and the other for slave. I've even got a computer that complains if
the cable isn't 80 pin and could be (meaning the drive supports it).




The drive that is complaining about the cable not being 80 pin is Cable
Select compatible. The 80 pin cable allows the IDE controller to sense which
connector the drive is plugged into, thus eliminating the need for the
Master/Slave jumper. Set it to CS and place it on Connector 1 for Master,
Connector 2 for Slave.

-Curt
  


EdB

  


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[MBZ] OT - New computer

2009-04-22 Thread WILTON
More Vista fun.  'Bout to get over most of my frustratrion/hastle getting my 
new Vista computer running.  One thing, though, is really bugging  me - my 
document files are arranged by name/title in a very random fashion.  I've 
always had them in alphabetical order before; how the etc. do I get the new 
system to sort and display them arranged in ascending alphabetical order for 
ease of finding the one I may want at any given time?   

Wilton
87 300D (112 kmi)
91 350SDL (192 kmi)
80 240D (deceased at 185 kmi)
81 300D (sold at ~150 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] a/c questions

2009-04-22 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Anthony,
Strangely enough, after being refused the local Indies, I found an MB dealer
who kept r-12 around- said they used it for customers with vintage systems.
Charge me $100 to test and recharge-
FWIW.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Anthony Galioto
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:09 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] a/c questions

I have a 1983 240D which needs a a/c system check and charge.  All the
places I have gone to want to convert the system to r234a. I do not want to
convert it to that gas because of the reports here that it isn't good for
this age vehicle and in fact does not cool that well.
I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable replacements.
I have asked the local indys and they will not use any of the products.  I
have never worked on an A/C system and do not have the tools or knowledge to
vacuum the system and do not know how to go about it.
Any suggestions and advice are welcomed.

-- 
Anthony
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[MBZ] Service repair manual Link

2009-04-22 Thread Robert Massmann
Does anyone have a link to any web sites that may have the service and repair 
manual for my 1995 E300D
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[MBZ] didnt somebody need a blue 123 visor?

2009-04-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop

has both sides  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300D-W123-SUN-VISOR-Drivers-Side-NICE_W0QQitemZ190302809753QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item190302809753_trksid=p4506.c0.m245_trkparms=65%3A7%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

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Re: [MBZ] Service repair manual link

2009-04-22 Thread WILTON
'Don't know a link, but what engine do you have?  Maybe, I can send you a 
copy of relavent pages.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Massmann rmassm...@embarqmail.com

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Service repair manual link





doeas anyone on the list have a link for the service and repair manual for 
a 1995 E 300 D. I am starting to change filter and such, and need to 
review where items are located. Next item on my list is to change the 
thermostat to fix a low operating temperature. The gauge seems to be 
working as the temp does increase to near 80 deg C on long hill climbs, 
but cools back down on the down hill run. I think the thermostat is 
located under the exit pipe coming off the left front of the block and 
then going to the bottom of the radiator.




Regards,

Bob Massmann

Oregonia, Ohio

95 E300D 268K miles
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Re: [MBZ] shoegoo

2009-04-22 Thread Archer



I finally bought some shoegoo and I am going to use it on..shoes!


I remember when I bought my first tube...  Also for shoes.

-- Jim

Where is the cheapest place to buy it?  I bought some (for shoes) when it 
first came out and had to pay a big price at a shoe store.

Thanks,
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer

2009-04-22 Thread Douglas
I have a dual boot system that I first installed XP then Vista, followed 
with Windows 7. yes its easy with multiple hard drives though you should be 
able to create a partition with a program  EaseUS partition manager its free 
for home use.. then install on the new partition. Then use the vista disk to 
get the Vista boot loader to install.


I use a program called EasyBCD to manage the Vista Boot loader. All works 
well..


Douglas



LarryT wrote:

 Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work
but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS 
installed is

newer than the OS being attempted to install!  Well, damn!



I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered 
a

1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP
Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has
prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a 
XP

install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista.

Mitch.



The problem lies in the way the NT kernel boots from disk. The NT Boot
Loader lives in the Master Boot Record (MBR) and searches the C:\ drive 
for

it's master configuration file BOOT.INI. This file tells the NT Boot
Loader where it can find the version of NT you want to boot. Ergo, if you
install Vista to drive R:\ you *can* boot Vista from this drive but have 
to

tell the Loader where to find it. If you install Vista first, then XP it
overwrites the BOOT.INI as well as the NT Boot Loader. So even if you add
Vista back to the BOOT.INI it's the wrong version of the Loader to 
Bootstrap

the Vista version of the NT Kernel.

Also in the way many areas of the systems are shared. Ergo, when you 
install

XP you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared
libraries and files for all programs that XP will use. When you install
Vista you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of 
shared

. err  wait. So when you install Vista first and XP second, the XP
libraries are the ones most current, and as such Vista could potentially
have a problem with those that aren't stored in the System32 directories
from the OS main directory.

The correct answer is that you *can* install Vista *first* and then 
install
XP and get it to work properly if you are extremely meticulous and either 
RO

the files that Vista needs that XP will overwrite, or move these files to
move them back later. Also, you can slipstream a copy of XP in such a 
manner
that none of the default install locations are chosen and force it to put 
XP
in totally different locations. However, though Microsoft knows all of 
this

and *could* help walk you through the process, it's several hours worth of
work and as such it's far easier to simply say: You must install XP 
first,

then Vista to perform an NT dual boot

The easiest way, in my opinion, to dual boot Microsoft OS's is to have
multiple hard drives. Either physical or logical. Physical is far easier,
but there is a way to build logical drives on a single disk using a Linux
fdisk (because the Microsoft fdisk won't let you do this) to set each
logical drive as the bootable partition in turn. Install the OS, to the
partition that the OS *thinks* is C:\, then switch the bootable 
partition
for the next one, then set the BOOT.INI on the final install to look at 
the

rest of the logicals. Rather convoluted, but doable. The better way is
physical drives where you temporarily unplug the drive for one to install 
on

the other then have a large final drive to store shared applications like
Firefox or Photoshop or whatever will be running in both OS's. You do 
*not*

have to leave either drive unplugged after install, just during. After
install you would set the Vista drive as Master and point it's BOOT.INI to
boot XP from the second drive.

Regards,

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Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer

2009-04-22 Thread Douglas

Its two one power connector and one data connector.

Douglas
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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer


Isn't SATA one drive one connector? Your post is a bit vauge...

On IDE to get full 133MB/s (which is still theoretical max) speed you need 
an 80 connector cable (still 40 pins though) where one connector is for 
master and the other for slave. I've even got a computer that complains if 
the cable isn't 80 pin and could be (meaning the drive supports it).


-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:44:46 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


It's really not that difficult. Each HD will have a diagram showing where
to place a jumper to make one HD the master and one the slave. Using
tweezers make it the easier. It really is



*Most* new computers, and as such most new OEM ATA drives, do not even ship
with a Master or Slave configuration. There is a third option, called Cable
Select, that allows you to put the drive in on any open IDE connector and
have it work, again provided that the computer is only a couple of years
old. The cable itself becomes the determinator as to whether the drive is
configured as Master or Slave.

Most *drives* made in the last, oh, 7 years have the CS setting. But
computers have only recently started using it properly.

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Re: [MBZ] shoegoo

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Cathey

Where is the cheapest place to buy it?


Most hardware stores around here carry it, or at least its
several varieties of X Goo, which I suspect might all be
filled from the same bulk tank.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Trailer lights

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Cathey
Anybody know if there is some sort of adapter to go from that round 
socket to the flat 4 plug connector?


Any RV or McParts store, probably.  U-Haul, also.

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Re: [MBZ] a/c questions

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Cathey
I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable 
replacements.


Yes, though you may have to DIY.  You'll need a gauge set, and
a vacuum pump is ideal though you can flush the air out of a system
by wasting half a can of juice just blowing it through.  (Old-school
R12 technique.)

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 380SEC near me, what should I look for?

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Cathey

I know, of course, that I need to look for the dreaded single-row
timing chain on the 3.8 liter... is the difference between single- and
double-row chains obvious once I get a valve cover off?


Absolutely.


Anything else to look for?  I've never driven a gas 126 or a coupe,
but have test-driven 300SDs and SDLs at various times so I have a
rough idea what the car ought to feel like if the suspension is in
decent shape. (And I should expect it to have about the same amount of
grunt as an SDL, right?)


It should have some more horsepower, but probably a little
less torque.  Still, ought to feel fairly snappy---just not
a powerhouse.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Spork plugs (380 SL)

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Cathey

I've run for about a week after replacing the stem seals
on #7, and it's running rough again.

Dribbling injector?


I haven't pulled the ones on that side yet.  I have a trunk
full of new parts for the car, and I don't seem to be working
on it.  Just drive it around, running ratty and stinking, and
with the dash still in the garage and the seats looking like
Wolverine rode in it, perhaps with a case of poison ivy!

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Re: [MBZ] On the road again

2009-04-22 Thread RELNGSON
 ... The kids on the East coast are going to move to OK next month, and 
 are
  thinking that buying a used truck is better than hiring a moving co. or
  renting from u-haul. Problem is that neither of them have a clue about
  automobiles...
 
I'm picturing the Joad family, moving West.

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Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

2009-04-22 Thread Tom Hargrave
Curt,

The best setup is a RAID 10 with 4, 6 or 8 drives.

Stay away from the cheap controllers - they are junk. Also, you want a true
hardware RAID controller.

Here's a good one for 2 drives:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116030

If you want to get real serious, here's a 12 port RAID card that should
perform well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116057


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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:36 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] SATA controller?

Anybody got experience with add-on SATA controllers?
I want to add a bunch of storage to one of my systems and eliminate a stack
of SCSI external drives (They're LOUD) and SATA drives look like the
cheaper/faster way to go, plus I've only got one open IDE slot.

Now remember I'll be editing video on this system, a cheap/crappy controller
isn't acceptable. And yes of course I want to do this on the cheap, well as
cheap as possible anyway...

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Re: [MBZ] shoegoo

2009-04-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Only place I have seen it was at El Mercado de Wal in the shoe 
section!!! (maybe I kept looking for it in the automotive section is why 
I never found it).


--R

Jim Cathey wrote:

Where is the cheapest place to buy it?


Most hardware stores around here carry it, or at least its
several varieties of X Goo, which I suspect might all be
filled from the same bulk tank.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - GMC 1/2 ton truck?

2009-04-22 Thread OK Don
Love it!  They've pared down to the essentials. I told them to sell anything
that won't fit in the Mini ---

Their ability to discern a vehicle that will get here vs. one that might not
make it past the Big Dig is my major worry, and I have no idea about any of
these trucks. I
l don't think I'd trust a Detroit auto tranny with that many miles!

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 Would tow a Mini fine, but that seems a lot of money for an 8 year old
 truck that is probably near the end of its service life unless it's been
 well maintained.


 I think that when I was still a college student I could move
 in one pickup truck load, but most people can't even come close.
 How dense is their load to be?  A 1/2-ton truck might not have
 the nuts to do the job safely and well, if there's a lot of stuff
 stacked halfway to heaven, or a lot of weight.  And towing a car
 behind too?  Look for a 3/4- or 1-ton.

 I'd also look for something a whole lot cheaper and, if you'll
 forgive the expression, okie-ish.  Then if it only serves for
 the one trip it's not so much money to waste.  Or do they figure
 on needing a truck from here on out in their lives?

 Hard to beat the volume an actual moving truck will carry, though.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] radio online

2009-04-22 Thread OK Don
I didn't find the YouTube, but did find and listen to
http://mediaplayer.wgbh.org/?xml=clas/cmd080124hamelin.xmlresize=1
LOVE his playing. No, I hadn't heard him before, but am ordering CDs ---

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 So...  has either of you heard pianist Marc-Andre Hamelin?  Listen to him
 playing the Chopin Barcarolle on YouTube, or other works that are more
 obscure...  Then let me know your opinion.


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Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

2009-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Wow, thats a great reply thanks, though those cards are probably way more 
serious than I need. The computer they'd go into is an old HP xw8000 I salvaged 
from work. I don't care for anything other than RAID 0 for my use, all my 
material will be from timecode source so if it goes away I just redigitize...

When you say 1 Gig per minute, you're meaning 16.6MB/s? (or 17 I guess if your 
GB is 1024MB). Thats not really fast enough for what I want you're using these 
in a server sort of environment?

Video is really a world unto itself. I'd want to do 2 streams of uncompressed 
SD at least, 3 would be better so I'll need 50-75MB/s sustained throughput, 4 
SATA drives should be able to handle that pretty easily. My 4 SCSI drives will 
do 6.

I don't need huge storage at home 2TB would be plenty. If I get a really big 
project I could use a system at work. The big system in my classroom is 32TB 
and capable of 400MB/s. It scales all the way up to 384TB which would be 
4800MB/s total bandwidth. With a 10Gb connection we've clocked clients at 
500MB/s... Its pretty amazing.

You're right about USB 2, it sucks for data transfer, firewire 400 is faster. 
USB 2 is bus adjudicated too so if you've got a USB 2 printer it'll suck up 
half the bandwidth, got a USB 2 scanner? Then each device gets 1/3 the 
bandwidth if its doing something or not... Cruel joke that USB 2.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:06:25 -0400
From: dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I've been using 3Ware. It works okay. Use the 9500S for PCI-X and the
9650SE for PCI-E. The main drawback to 3Ware is that they don't
support VMWare ESX. They have a driver, but it sucks. If you want to
run that you need to use Adaptec-SAS or Areca. But then you run into
problems with the 2Tb limit of VMWare.  I tried the Adaptec 3805.
Works okay but does not have a 2Tb carving function so you have to run
multiple small arrays under ESX. I've not tried Areca but have heard
good things about them.

I've had nothing but problems with Promise and Highpoint controllers,
but that was a few years ago by now. Maybe they improved. I suspect
not.

For partitions  2Tb you need to use Guid not MBR volumes. That means
you can't boot off the large partition unless you are running an Intel
Itanium based system with it's special version of Windows. 3Ware 9650
has a feature to create a smaller boot partition from a large array
that looks like it's own drive to Windows. That saves you from
dedicating drives just to boot from.
Also - beware of running very large Dynamic volumes under Vista. It
does not like them. You need to use Windows 2003 or 2008 for that. I
was trying to configure a 10Tb volume and it became corrupted when
rebooting under Vista. I switched to Server 2008 and the problems went
away. My largest array is 16 - 1.5Tb SATA drives that gives just under
19TB usable using Raid-6. I use that for organizing backups before I
archive them. I get 3-5 Gig per minute throughput if I turn on write
caching. I'm lucky to get 1Gpm with caching off.

I got the Adaptec 3805 (8-port) for  $300 on eBay with the battery
backup module. I've seen the 3Ware 9650SE 16 port go for  $500.

You definitely need the BBU. I've already lost one array when a
machine blue-screened under heavy IO and did not have one installed.

All the controllers support adding additional drives and migrating the
array to include them so you can increase capacity. 3Ware also
supports incrementally swapping drives out for larger capacity ones,
but you need a custom script from Support to expand the array to
include the extra space. I've not tried that yet. Keep in mind that
the cluster size you start with has to accommodate the largest
partition size you will use. That is to say that you can't format with
a 512 byte cluster and later expand to a partition  2Tb. So I started
out my 19Tb partition with an 8192 byte cluster even though I did not
have all 16 drives in the initial configuration.

On a final note, getting data in and out of a large array can take a
while. I started using USB 2.0 external SATA Docking stations, but
they maxed out at ~ 20 Mb/sec. I switched to ESATA and that number
rose to 50 - 80 Mb/sec depending on the drive.

HTH

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Re: [MBZ] shoegoo

2009-04-22 Thread Archer

I finally bought some shoegoo and I am going to use it on..shoes!


I remember when I bought my first tube...  Also for shoes.

-- Jim

Could Goop; which is solvent based and comes in marine, plumbers, 
household, etc. types; be the same as shoe goo?  It's in all hardware and 
bldg. supply stores AFAIK and it's not too expensive.
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Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

2009-04-22 Thread Tom Hargrave
I forgot to mention - if you want better read  write speed, go with RAID 1
with 10K RPM drives. You will get 33% better read and write speed. Add
another drive to for a three drive RAID 1 and you'll gain another 25%. A 4th
drive will add about 20% better performance.

RAID 10 is the best of both worlds. I'm running a six drive RAID 10 at a
local Dominos franchise. I partitioned a 80 GIG boot drive on the RAID and
formatting took 45 seconds!

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On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:52 PM
To: 'Curt Raymond'; 'Diesel List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

RAID 6 is a more secure RAID 5. RAID 6 calculates and writes double the
checksum blocks that RAID 5 writes.

Both RAID 5 and 6 suffer a performance penalty. This is why RAID 5 and 6
controllers have cache, to make up for some of the performance hit. Even
with the buffer, many RAID 5 and 6 arrays perform worse than the single
drives they are made of.

I suggest building a good RAID 0 from two 10K RPM drives and a good
controller. Write speed will be the same but you will have a 33 percent
read speed improvement.

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To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: 4/22/09 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?

Wow, thats a great reply thanks, though those cards are probably way
more serious than I need. The computer they'd go into is an old HP
xw8000 I salvaged from work. I don't care for anything other than RAID 0
for my use, all my material will be from timecode source so if it goes
away I just redigitize...

When you say 1 Gig per minute, you're meaning 16.6MB/s? (or 17 I guess
if your GB is 1024MB). Thats not really fast enough for what I want
you're using these in a server sort of environment?

Video is really a world unto itself. I'd want to do 2 streams of
uncompressed SD at least, 3 would be better so I'll need 50-75MB/s
sustained throughput, 4 SATA drives should be able to handle that pretty
easily. My 4 SCSI drives will do 6.

I don't need huge storage at home 2TB would be plenty. If I get a really
big project I could use a system at work. The big system in my classroom
is 32TB and capable of 400MB/s. It scales all the way up to 384TB which
would be 4800MB/s total bandwidth. With a 10Gb connection we've clocked
clients at 500MB/s... Its pretty amazing.

You're right about USB 2, it sucks for data transfer, firewire 400 is
faster. USB 2 is bus adjudicated too so if you've got a USB 2 printer
it'll suck up half the bandwidth, got a USB 2 scanner? Then each device
gets 1/3 the bandwidth if its doing something or not... Cruel joke that
USB 2.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:06:25 -0400
From: dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I've been using 3Ware. It works okay. Use the 9500S for PCI-X and the
9650SE for PCI-E. The main drawback to 3Ware is that they don't
support VMWare ESX. They have a driver, but it sucks. If you want to
run that you need to use Adaptec-SAS or Areca. But then you run into
problems with the 2Tb limit of VMWare.  I tried the Adaptec 3805.
Works okay but does not have a 2Tb carving function so you have to run
multiple small arrays under ESX. I've not tried Areca but have heard
good things about them.

I've had nothing but problems with Promise and Highpoint controllers,
but that was a few years ago by now. Maybe they improved. I suspect
not.

For partitions  2Tb you need to use Guid not MBR volumes. That means
you can't boot off the large partition unless you are running an Intel
Itanium based system with it's special version of Windows. 3Ware 9650
has a feature to create a smaller boot partition from a large array
that looks like it's own drive to Windows. That saves you from
dedicating drives just to boot from.
Also - beware of running very large Dynamic volumes under Vista. It
does not like them. You need to use Windows 2003 or 2008 for that. I
was trying to configure a 10Tb volume and it became corrupted when
rebooting under Vista. I switched to Server 2008 and the problems went
away. My largest array is 16 - 1.5Tb SATA drives that gives just under
19TB usable using Raid-6. I use that for organizing backups before I
archive them. I get 3-5 Gig per minute throughput if I turn on write
caching. I'm lucky to get 1Gpm with caching off.

I got the Adaptec 3805 (8-port) for  $300 on eBay with the battery
backup module. I've seen the 3Ware 9650SE 16 port go for  $500.

You definitely need the BBU. I've already lost one array when a
machine blue-screened under heavy IO and did not have one installed.

All the controllers support adding