Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Barry Stark]

I think that you can simply unscrew the sender and screw in the appropriate
pipe fitting to hook your gauge up to.

Barry

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

I don't have the know-how, but I wish someone smarter than me would tell him
how to hook up an external oil pressure gauge.




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Re: [MBZ] F914

[E M]

Spitfires...high G turns ??  lol  ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/5/18 Mitch Haley 

> Michael LaFleur wrote:
>
>> The 914-6 was the car I wanted when I got out of high school, but all I
>> could afford was a '69 Spitfire.
>>
>
>
> Were those Spitfires as bad in corners as they looked?
> I seem to recall seeing pics of swing axle Spitfires jacking horribly in
> high G turns. At least Spridgets had live axles and the back wheels stayed
> straight.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

[Jim Cathey]

There is the locking rod on the lock assembly, not to be confused with 
the
rod-like plastic appendage of the servo that snaps into the lock 
mechanism.

 This moves up and down inside the suction cup of the servo.   I really
don't want to force it off...


Don't these have locking collars that pop out, releasing
the rod to be telescoped in and out to the right position,
then you push the locking collar in to secure it?

Or is that only the newer one-line jobs?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

A Lexus is just a Toyota in fancy sheet metal -- the quintessential  
"fake Mercedes".


Don't get me wrong, Toyotas are nice cars, and if I didn't do my own  
work, I'd probably drive one, but a Lexus (or an Avalon) is nothing  
like the old Crown I had.  That car was a blast to drive, second to  
none so far (more fun even than my 300D in good shape, although a bit  
less stable).  I could blast down the country road on my way home at  
nearly double the speed limit and take the curves for the most part  
with the throttle alone as the rear end nicely tucked on deceleration  
and move out under acceleration (nice for four wheel drifts).


I've driven an Avalon, and while it's a competent transport device  
and quite comfortable and quiet, it's NOT a Benz, and neither is a  
Lexus -- not a single part is anything but standard Toyota.


In twenty more years they will all be junk -- no parts, and the  
plastic is just as bad as GM.


Peter.

On May 18, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  
 wrote:

I wish we would not import Lexus anything.


I can do without the ones that are just Toyotas with softer leather
and Dynamat (especially the ES---the ultimate Realtress' vehicle!),
but the first generation LS400 is an engineering masterpiece (as is
the equivalent Infiniti, the Q45).  Find one that's been taken care of
now before it gets handed down to the owner's teenage kids and
thrashed---they'll be collectible in 20 years.

Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

[andrew strasfogel]

There is the locking rod on the lock assembly, not to be confused with the
rod-like plastic appendage of the servo that snaps into the lock mechanism.
 This moves up and down inside the suction cup of the servo.   I really
don't want to force it off...

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > But I'm a landlubber!
>
> Actually, me too, but "right" and "left" are perspective
> dependant and the nautical terms are vehicle/vessel dependant.
> So I've change my thinking to nautical terms. In the US, the
> drivers side is "port" or "larboard".
>
> > Seriously, the shop manual says to disconnect the rod from the
> > servo mechanism, thus avoiding allowing you to remove and
> > reinstall the new unit semi-effortlesly.  Unfortunately, I
> > cannot figure out how to perform this slight of hand w/o
> > breaking the vacuum seal on the new servo.
>
> My servo has a rod attached to it. This rod connects to the
> latch assembly. It removes easily.
>
> I have know idea if the replacement servo has a rod or not -
> never seen one.
>
> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I wish they would all be handed down to teenage high schoolers and the like so 
that they all get trashed and their memory will vanish from my brain.  Aged, 
cheap japanese car plastic/ inferior leather smell is not something that I 
would like to re-aquaintance myself with down the road.

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:


From: Alex Chamberlain 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 10:59 PM


On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> I wish we would not import Lexus anything.

I can do without the ones that are just Toyotas with softer leather
and Dynamat (especially the ES---the ultimate Realtress' vehicle!),
but the first generation LS400 is an engineering masterpiece (as is
the equivalent Infiniti, the Q45).  Find one that's been taken care of
now before it gets handed down to the owner's teenage kids and
thrashed---they'll be collectible in 20 years.

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Re: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Or we could import and continue to import equivalent or better cars.

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, dave walton  wrote:


From: dave walton 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 10:46 PM


If we were capable of making an equivalent car in this country, we
would not need to import them.

-Dave Walton


On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Dimitri Seretakis
 wrote:
> I wish we would not import Lexus anything.
>
> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, LarryT  wrote:
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>
> From: LarryT 
> Subject: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 8:04 AM
>
>
> A cable program called WheelerDealers comes on a HD channel = it's based in 
> UK and yesterday they were helping a man pick out a new company car.  He 
> finally settled on a Lexus with a 170hp Diesel engine.  Can't recall the 
> model but it sure would be nice if the US could get some of the cars the rest 
> of the world gets.  Not *all* mind you, but there are some impressive cars we 
> are unable to buy - like the Lexus Diesel - its very nice.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> I wish we would not import Lexus anything.

I can do without the ones that are just Toyotas with softer leather
and Dynamat (especially the ES---the ultimate Realtress' vehicle!),
but the first generation LS400 is an engineering masterpiece (as is
the equivalent Infiniti, the Q45).  Find one that's been taken care of
now before it gets handed down to the owner's teenage kids and
thrashed---they'll be collectible in 20 years.

Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

[Steve MacSween]

on 5/11/09 9:27, Tom Hargrave at tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:

> You and a few others are doing it right but based on the trashed diesels
> I've seen around here, I'd say that 90% or more are doing it wrong.

I could not agree more.

The temptation to save money, combined with the fact that in most cases no
obvious ill effects show up within the first thousands of miles of use,
ensure that lots of well-meaning people are destroying their diesel Mercedes
each day with improper use of WVO.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

[Steve MacSween]

on 5/11/09 8:18, Tom Hargrave at tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:

> I believe you just made the argument against burning WVO that I was trying
> to figure out how to type.
> 
> The issues are:
> 
> You need a relatively complex, relatively expensive system to properly run
> WVO in your Mercedes including 2 tanks (original diesel & added WVO).
> 
> You need a multi-stage heating system.
> 
> You need to remember to switch between fuels.

Hi, sorry for the delayed reply.

I abolutely agree that svo/wvo is not for everyone.

However, keep in mind that in the northeast (of Canada, anyway), we only
have commercial access to B20 at best, due to climatic concerns with our
sustained low winter temps.

One could, of course brew one's own. But that is another issue.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Seat Re-padding question

[Peter Frederick]

You can do an adequate job with some closed cell foam in multiple  
layers, but since that rubberized matting (it's not really horsehair  
any more) is molded to from the seating surface, you can only do the  
seat bottom.  The upper part is very, very difficult to shape, I've  
tried.


Best course is to buy new pads.

That said, I used 3/8 closed cell foam with a double layer of egg- 
crate sleeping bag mat with the "fingers" together to form a single  
layer with one edge rolled over and sewn together to replace the pads  
in my brother's 75 300D.  Some extra bits are required to form the  
raised sides of the seat pad -- works better on the rear seat than on  
the front.


I had better luck making up new covers (service weight vinyl, which  
is still there and looks pretty good 5 or 6 years later).  I've got  
leather for "real" covers if the car survives.


Peter
On May 18, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Stuart Saxonberg wrote:

Finally, I've decided to take the plunge and repad my seats - the  
horsehair

is just terminally gone.



I intend to buy some nice upholstery foam and dig in - does anyone  
who's
done it have an idea what thickness of foam I should be looking  
for, and any
hints about proper technique to get a good shape and to not mess it  
up too

much?



I've done a lot of things, but upholstery isn't on the list, so I'd  
love

some pre-task advice.



Thanks,

Stuart S.

1976 300d (w115)

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Re: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel

[dave walton]

If we were capable of making an equivalent car in this country, we
would not need to import them.

-Dave Walton


On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Dimitri Seretakis
 wrote:
> I wish we would not import Lexus anything.
>
> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, LarryT  wrote:
>
>
> From: LarryT 
> Subject: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 8:04 AM
>
>
> A cable program called WheelerDealers comes on a HD channel = it's based in 
> UK and yesterday they were helping a man pick out a new company car.  He 
> finally settled on a Lexus with a 170hp Diesel engine.  Can't recall the 
> model but it sure would be nice if the US could get some of the cars the rest 
> of the world gets.  Not *all* mind you, but there are some impressive cars we 
> are unable to buy - like the Lexus Diesel - its very nice.
>
> LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I wish we would not import Lexus anything.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, LarryT  wrote:


From: LarryT 
Subject: [MBZ] Lexus Diesel
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 8:04 AM


A cable program called WheelerDealers comes on a HD channel = it's based in UK 
and yesterday they were helping a man pick out a new company car.  He finally 
settled on a Lexus with a 170hp Diesel engine.  Can't recall the model but it 
sure would be nice if the US could get some of the cars the rest of the world 
gets.  Not *all* mind you, but there are some impressive cars we are unable to 
buy - like the Lexus Diesel - its very nice.

LarryT

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Re: [MBZ] F914

[Mitch Haley]

Michael LaFleur wrote:

The 914-6 was the car I wanted when I got out of high school, but all I could 
afford was a '69 Spitfire.



Were those Spitfires as bad in corners as they looked?
I seem to recall seeing pics of swing axle Spitfires jacking horribly in high G 
turns. At least Spridgets had live axles and the back wheels stayed straight.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 308 GTS

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:56 PM,   wrote:
>> ...Surely you mean the half-breed Dino 308GT4...
>>
> I do not.
>

Pity; the analogy is perfect for that car and almost completely
inappropriate for the 308GTS.  I can't imagine what singular lack of
wit it takes to call the latter a "Ferrari 914."  Probably the same
Porsche drivers who don't get the pricks-are-on-the-outside line,
either.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] F914

[Michael LaFleur]

The 914-6 was the car I wanted when I got out of high school, but all I could 
afford was a '69 Spitfire.

Mike





From: "relng...@aol.com" 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:05:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] F914

> ...Do you call it the Ferrari 914 because it's a low end Ferrari?
> 
> I don't know anything about the 308GTS, but I love 914s. I don't believe 
> that a better handling street legal car has ever been made, especially
> when people put on a 911 suspension, brakes, and wheels. People like to 
> call it the "VW Porsche" or the "poor mans porsche" but if I could have
> any model of Porsche the 914 would be it!...
> 
In re: Ferrari 914, I didn't invent that term but I agree with it. Yes, 
it's a "low end' model and not too pretty although not as ugly as the Mondial.

As to the 914, I am quite familiar with it having bought a 914-6 new and 
drove it for 13 years to the day. First one delivered in the Pacific NW after 
a long delay and a big price increase. I still doubled my money when I sold 
it. My friend ALC has a '73 914 2-liter that was recently appraised at 25 
grand. It has the original tires (dangerous) and gets out perhaps once per 
year. 

RLE





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[MBZ] More good news for the auto companies

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/18/AR2009051801848_pf.html

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Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Wonko the Sane]

I don't have the know-how, but I wish someone smarter than me would tell him
how to hook up an external oil pressure gauge.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Dan Weeks  wrote:

> '82 300SD 314k daily driver. Runs great. Lately, I'd been noticing oil
> pressure seemed a bit low at idle, but my idle's set too low, so I didn't
> think much of it. Today, I notice a half-bar at idle. Slipped it into
> Neutral, and it came up to a bar. Next short trip, same day, OP fine until
> car warmed up, then it went down to barely off the peg at idle. Turned
> around to come home, and OP gradually tailed off to nothing. Stopped the
> car. Checked oil level, which was fine. Oil seemed a bit thin, but not
> watery by any means, and the engine was hot. Looked like plenty of oil
> sitting on the cam when I took the OP filler cap off to check. Started up
> again, and had between 2 and 3 bar at 2k rpm. Had just a few blocks to go,
> so drove it back. Needle was quite erratic--would go up to the top peg, then
> fall down to 0. WHen revved up it would suddenly jump up--most of the time.
> Sometimes it wouldn't move at all.  Got home, with no other signs of low
> OP--engine ran fine, no unusual noises, no blue smoke.
>
> What gives? How can I test the gauge/sensor? Is there any way I can
> temporarily wire in an aux OP gauge to check? If so, how. I have a somewhat
> jumpy temp gauge and fuel gauge, and the tach is inop most of the time, so
> I'm hoping it's just electrical. Is there a pattern/failure mode for 617 oil
> pumps? Could something be intermittantly plugging the pickup tube screen?
> I'm trying to think of everything I can here. Car is parked until I figure
> this one out. Any advice/test procedures appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Dan
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Seat Re-padding question

[Peter T. Arnold]

CAll Rusty, get good stuff!

Pete


Stuart Saxonberg wrote:

Finally, I've decided to take the plunge and repad my seats - the horsehair
is just terminally gone.

 


I intend to buy some nice upholstery foam and dig in - does anyone who's
done it have an idea what thickness of foam I should be looking for, and any
hints about proper technique to get a good shape and to not mess it up too
much?

 


I've done a lot of things, but upholstery isn't on the list, so I'd love
some pre-task advice.

 


Thanks,

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[MBZ] Seat Re-padding question

[Stuart Saxonberg]

Finally, I've decided to take the plunge and repad my seats - the horsehair
is just terminally gone.

 

I intend to buy some nice upholstery foam and dig in - does anyone who's
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much?

 

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some pre-task advice.

 

Thanks,

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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

[Fmiser]

> andrew strasfogel wrote:

> But I'm a landlubber!

Actually, me too, but "right" and "left" are perspective
dependant and the nautical terms are vehicle/vessel dependant.
So I've change my thinking to nautical terms. In the US, the
drivers side is "port" or "larboard".

> Seriously, the shop manual says to disconnect the rod from the
> servo mechanism, thus avoiding allowing you to remove and
> reinstall the new unit semi-effortlesly.  Unfortunately, I
> cannot figure out how to perform this slight of hand w/o
> breaking the vacuum seal on the new servo.

My servo has a rod attached to it. This rod connects to the
latch assembly. It removes easily.

I have know idea if the replacement servo has a rod or not -
never seen one.

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Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Archer]

On some of the old cars we would hold the engine revs up and loosen the 
sender (actually the pressure tube on the old cars) until oil started coming 
out around the threads and was obviously under high pressure.  This was done 
when the gauge was reading very low.  WARNING!  If you back it out too far 
expect to get an oil bath and a big mess.  Don't ask me how I know.  Sounds 
like a bad sender or gauge to me.

Good luck,
Gerry
'83 300D and 240D

Dan Weeks wrote:

'82 300SD 314k daily driver. Runs great. Lately, I'd been noticing oil
pressure seemed a bit low at idle, but my idle's set too low, so I
didn't think much of it. Today, I notice a half-bar at idle. Slipped
it into Neutral, and it came up to a bar. Next short trip, same day,
OP fine until car warmed up, then it went down to barely off the peg
at idle. Turned around to come home, and OP gradually tailed off to
nothing. Stopped the car. Checked oil level, which was fine. Oil
seemed a bit thin, but not watery by any means, and the engine was
hot. Looked like plenty of oil sitting on the cam when I took the OP
filler cap off to check. Started up again, and had between 2 and 3 bar
at 2k rpm. Had just a few blocks to go, so drove it back. Needle was
quite erratic--would go up to the top peg, then fall down to 0. WHen
revved up it would suddenly jump up--most of the time. Sometimes it
wouldn't move at all.  Got home, with no other signs of low OP--engine
ran fine, no unusual noises, no blue smoke.

What gives? How can I test the gauge/sensor? Is there any way I can
temporarily wire in an aux OP gauge to check? If so, how. I have a
somewhat jumpy temp gauge and fuel gauge, and the tach is inop most of
the time, so I'm hoping it's just electrical. Is there a
pattern/failure mode for 617 oil pumps? Could something be
intermittantly plugging the pickup tube screen? I'm trying to think of
everything I can here. Car is parked until I figure this one out. Any
advice/test procedures appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Dan

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Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[ernest breakfield]

since there is already a known problem with the instrumentation, 
wouldn't it be prudent to address that before assuming that the 
instrumentation is indicating a problem, and/or verify by other means 
that the oil pressure reported is indeed actually out of range?


   a question for the veterans; isn't there a ground behind the 
instrument panel that's known to occasionally be a problem with these 
things? IIRC, isn't its failure mode pretty-much exactly like the 
wonkiness with the temp and fuel gauges that's being reported here?



cheers!
e


Dan Weeks wrote:
'82 300SD 314k daily driver. Runs great. Lately, I'd been noticing oil 
pressure seemed a bit low at idle, but my idle's set too low, so I 
didn't think much of it. Today, I notice a half-bar at idle. Slipped 
it into Neutral, and it came up to a bar. Next short trip, same day, 
OP fine until car warmed up, then it went down to barely off the peg 
at idle. Turned around to come home, and OP gradually tailed off to 
nothing. Stopped the car. Checked oil level, which was fine. Oil 
seemed a bit thin, but not watery by any means, and the engine was 
hot. Looked like plenty of oil sitting on the cam when I took the OP 
filler cap off to check. Started up again, and had between 2 and 3 bar 
at 2k rpm. Had just a few blocks to go, so drove it back. Needle was 
quite erratic--would go up to the top peg, then fall down to 0. WHen 
revved up it would suddenly jump up--most of the time. Sometimes it 
wouldn't move at all.  Got home, with no other signs of low OP--engine 
ran fine, no unusual noises, no blue smoke.


What gives? How can I test the gauge/sensor? Is there any way I can 
temporarily wire in an aux OP gauge to check? If so, how. I have a 
somewhat jumpy temp gauge and fuel gauge, and the tach is inop most of 
the time, so I'm hoping it's just electrical. Is there a 
pattern/failure mode for 617 oil pumps? Could something be 
intermittantly plugging the pickup tube screen? I'm trying to think of 
everything I can here. Car is parked until I figure this one out. Any 
advice/test procedures appreciated.


Thanks in advance!

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] F914

[RELNGSON]

> ...Do you call it the Ferrari 914 because it's a low end Ferrari?
> 
> I don't know anything about the 308GTS, but I love 914s. I don't believe 
> that a better handling street legal car has ever been made, especially
> when people put on a 911 suspension, brakes, and wheels. People like to 
> call it the "VW Porsche" or the "poor mans porsche" but if I could have
> any model of Porsche the 914 would be it!...
> 
In re: Ferrari 914, I didn't invent that term but I agree with it. Yes, 
it's a "low end' model and not too pretty although not as ugly as the Mondial.

As to the 914, I am quite familiar with it having bought a 914-6 new and 
drove it for 13 years to the day. First one delivered in the Pacific NW after 
a long delay and a big price increase. I still doubled my money when I sold 
it. My friend ALC has a '73 914 2-liter that was recently appraised at 25 
grand. It has the original tires (dangerous) and gets out perhaps once per 
year. 

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Re: [MBZ] 308 GTS

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> ...Surely you mean the half-breed Dino 308GT4...
> 
I do not.

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Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Peter Frederick]

Check for flow (a bad sender usually indicates erratic pressure then  
quits altogether, it won't slowly fade away), but if you think the  
oil is thin, smell it.


If it smells of diesel fuel, your IP is leaking into the crankcase  
and you will damage the engine soon.


A new sender is something like $30, worth a try.

Peter

On May 18, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


Bad sender?

On 5/18/09, Dan Weeks  wrote:
'82 300SD 314k daily driver. Runs great. Lately, I'd been noticing  
oil

pressure seemed a bit low at idle, but my idle's set too low, so I
didn't think much of it. Today, I notice a half-bar at idle. Slipped
it into Neutral, and it came up to a bar. Next short trip, same day,
OP fine until car warmed up, then it went down to barely off the peg
at idle. Turned around to come home, and OP gradually tailed off to
nothing. Stopped the car. Checked oil level, which was fine. Oil
seemed a bit thin, but not watery by any means, and the engine was
hot. Looked like plenty of oil sitting on the cam when I took the OP
filler cap off to check. Started up again, and had between 2 and 3  
bar

at 2k rpm. Had just a few blocks to go, so drove it back. Needle was
quite erratic--would go up to the top peg, then fall down to 0. WHen
revved up it would suddenly jump up--most of the time. Sometimes it
wouldn't move at all.  Got home, with no other signs of low OP-- 
engine

ran fine, no unusual noises, no blue smoke.

What gives? How can I test the gauge/sensor? Is there any way I can
temporarily wire in an aux OP gauge to check? If so, how. I have a
somewhat jumpy temp gauge and fuel gauge, and the tach is inop  
most of

the time, so I'm hoping it's just electrical. Is there a pattern/
failure mode for 617 oil pumps? Could something be intermittantly
plugging the pickup tube screen? I'm trying to think of everything I
can here. Car is parked until I figure this one out. Any advice/test
procedures appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Peter Frederick]

Likely your injection pump seals have failed, you are filling the  
crankcase with diesel fuel.


Change the oil and replace the IP.

Peter
On May 18, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Dan Weeks wrote:

'82 300SD 314k daily driver. Runs great. Lately, I'd been noticing  
oil pressure seemed a bit low at idle, but my idle's set too low,  
so I didn't think much of it. Today, I notice a half-bar at idle.  
Slipped it into Neutral, and it came up to a bar. Next short trip,  
same day, OP fine until car warmed up, then it went down to barely  
off the peg at idle. Turned around to come home, and OP gradually  
tailed off to nothing. Stopped the car. Checked oil level, which  
was fine. Oil seemed a bit thin, but not watery by any means, and  
the engine was hot. Looked like plenty of oil sitting on the cam  
when I took the OP filler cap off to check. Started up again, and  
had between 2 and 3 bar at 2k rpm. Had just a few blocks to go, so  
drove it back. Needle was quite erratic--would go up to the top  
peg, then fall down to 0. WHen revved up it would suddenly jump up-- 
most of the time. Sometimes it wouldn't move at all.  Got home,  
with no other signs of low OP--engine ran fine, no unusual noises,  
no blue smoke.


What gives? How can I test the gauge/sensor? Is there any way I can  
temporarily wire in an aux OP gauge to check? If so, how. I have a  
somewhat jumpy temp gauge and fuel gauge, and the tach is inop most  
of the time, so I'm hoping it's just electrical. Is there a pattern/ 
failure mode for 617 oil pumps? Could something be intermittantly  
plugging the pickup tube screen? I'm trying to think of everything  
I can here. Car is parked until I figure this one out. Any advice/ 
test procedures appreciated.


Thanks in advance!

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] Brake booster/master 107

[Peter Frederick]

Check for worn out rotors on the front -- you are describing what my  
W108 drove like when I frist got it, when the rears were flaky and  
the fronts had stuck pistons.


Typical old car abuse, save some $ on brakes by not replacing thin  
rotors "just this time" and then running the pistons out to the anti- 
rattle spring and getting them cocked.  No brakes up front unless you  
STAND on the pedal.


Peter

On May 17, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:


1985 380SL

Brakes are normal when you apply lightly.   If you push hard, the  
pedal takes a lot of pressure to stop the car.


No fade on the pedal, with engine running or not.

I pulled the vac hose at the booster.  Vacuum present.

It does not act like a bad master to me, but either the fronts are  
not braking, or the booster is a goner.  Neither is a pleasant  
thought () but the booster is worst. (almost $800)


While I was working on other things, I couldn't think of a sure way  
to diagnose.  Driving back home, I thought I should unhook the  
vacuum hose at the booster and plug it, then drive and see if there  
is any change.


Any good way to diagnose if the problem is in the booster or master?


Loren

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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

[Hendrik & Fay]

It's actually 23 years it takes for a Behr to snap it's neck.

Hendrik
writing in Engrish

Gary Hurst wrote:

the figure that is thrown about by nissens is "30% stronger."  i've never
heard of a nissens neck breaking and even the original unreinforced behr
necks take many years to break.  i'm not sure that comparing new behr with
reinforced neck and nissens with unreinforced is all that meaningful as
neither shows any tendency to break.

it's like the guys who have to have the brass reinforced inline fuel
filters.  i mean, if you find them cool, buy em, but it's not like a cheaper
unreinforced hengst or bosch is going to break on you anyway.  it is pretty
comical how a guy must have brass and then on the same order will buy a
super cheap chinese control arm.  who is he trying to kid?

  
  



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Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Gary Hurst]

Bad sender?

On 5/18/09, Dan Weeks  wrote:
> '82 300SD 314k daily driver. Runs great. Lately, I'd been noticing oil
> pressure seemed a bit low at idle, but my idle's set too low, so I
> didn't think much of it. Today, I notice a half-bar at idle. Slipped
> it into Neutral, and it came up to a bar. Next short trip, same day,
> OP fine until car warmed up, then it went down to barely off the peg
> at idle. Turned around to come home, and OP gradually tailed off to
> nothing. Stopped the car. Checked oil level, which was fine. Oil
> seemed a bit thin, but not watery by any means, and the engine was
> hot. Looked like plenty of oil sitting on the cam when I took the OP
> filler cap off to check. Started up again, and had between 2 and 3 bar
> at 2k rpm. Had just a few blocks to go, so drove it back. Needle was
> quite erratic--would go up to the top peg, then fall down to 0. WHen
> revved up it would suddenly jump up--most of the time. Sometimes it
> wouldn't move at all.  Got home, with no other signs of low OP--engine
> ran fine, no unusual noises, no blue smoke.
>
> What gives? How can I test the gauge/sensor? Is there any way I can
> temporarily wire in an aux OP gauge to check? If so, how. I have a
> somewhat jumpy temp gauge and fuel gauge, and the tach is inop most of
> the time, so I'm hoping it's just electrical. Is there a pattern/
> failure mode for 617 oil pumps? Could something be intermittantly
> plugging the pickup tube screen? I'm trying to think of everything I
> can here. Car is parked until I figure this one out. Any advice/test
> procedures appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Dan
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

sounds like the sending unit is bad to me.  Swap it out or install a 
manual guage to check the actual.


Dan Weeks wrote:
'82 300SD 314k daily driver. Runs great. Lately, I'd been noticing oil 
pressure seemed a bit low at idle, but my idle's set too low, so I 
didn't think much of it. Today, I notice a half-bar at idle. Slipped 
it into Neutral, and it came up to a bar. Next short trip, same day, 
OP fine until car warmed up, then it went down to barely off the peg 
at idle. Turned around to come home, and OP gradually tailed off to 
nothing. Stopped the car. Checked oil level, which was fine. Oil 
seemed a bit thin, but not watery by any means, and the engine was 
hot. Looked like plenty of oil sitting on the cam when I took the OP 
filler cap off to check. Started up again, and had between 2 and 3 bar 
at 2k rpm. Had just a few blocks to go, so drove it back. Needle was 
quite erratic--would go up to the top peg, then fall down to 0. WHen 
revved up it would suddenly jump up--most of the time. Sometimes it 
wouldn't move at all.  Got home, with no other signs of low OP--engine 
ran fine, no unusual noises, no blue smoke.


What gives? How can I test the gauge/sensor? Is there any way I can 
temporarily wire in an aux OP gauge to check? If so, how. I have a 
somewhat jumpy temp gauge and fuel gauge, and the tach is inop most of 
the time, so I'm hoping it's just electrical. Is there a 
pattern/failure mode for 617 oil pumps? Could something be 
intermittantly plugging the pickup tube screen? I'm trying to think of 
everything I can here. Car is parked until I figure this one out. Any 
advice/test procedures appreciated.


Thanks in advance!

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd

[Rich Thomas]

A couple of months ago a cardinal flew into a window on the back porch 
and knocked itself out or killed itself or something. Anyway, the poodle 
pups were out there and one umped it and had it swallowed whole before I 
could go get it away.  I'm not sure how he managed that, and I was 
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brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:

My aunts husky would kill birds but used to leave them on the back door step!


  


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Re: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd

[tyler]

So if a dog breed has "german" in the breed name, can it be considered 
an on-topic subject for this list?


I adopted a 5 year old black German Pinscher (rare breed almost wiped 
out in WWII) last Tuesday. These dogs are generally very smart and have 
a strong prey drive since they were used to guard German grainerys and 
brewerys from rodents.


This morning I took him on a walk before work and he spotted a large 
Iguana on the neighbors porch. He began to stalk it, creeping up on it 
slowly and silently and bracing himself to jump back in case it's tail 
whipped. Once he got close enough he pounced it, only to realize it was 
ceramic!


It was entertaining, but makes me question his judgment a bit. A 25lb 
Pinscher would stand no chance against a real 20lb green Iguana with a 5 
foot long razor sharp tail -which this would have been if it were real.


He's already the best behaved dog I've ever had, but I need to watch him 
to keep him from prey he can't handle!


Tyler

brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:

My aunts husky would kill birds but used to leave them on the back door step!


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[MBZ] HELP! LOW/NO OIL PRESSURE

[Dan Weeks]

'82 300SD 314k daily driver. Runs great. Lately, I'd been noticing oil  
pressure seemed a bit low at idle, but my idle's set too low, so I  
didn't think much of it. Today, I notice a half-bar at idle. Slipped  
it into Neutral, and it came up to a bar. Next short trip, same day,  
OP fine until car warmed up, then it went down to barely off the peg  
at idle. Turned around to come home, and OP gradually tailed off to  
nothing. Stopped the car. Checked oil level, which was fine. Oil  
seemed a bit thin, but not watery by any means, and the engine was  
hot. Looked like plenty of oil sitting on the cam when I took the OP  
filler cap off to check. Started up again, and had between 2 and 3 bar  
at 2k rpm. Had just a few blocks to go, so drove it back. Needle was  
quite erratic--would go up to the top peg, then fall down to 0. WHen  
revved up it would suddenly jump up--most of the time. Sometimes it  
wouldn't move at all.  Got home, with no other signs of low OP--engine  
ran fine, no unusual noises, no blue smoke.


What gives? How can I test the gauge/sensor? Is there any way I can  
temporarily wire in an aux OP gauge to check? If so, how. I have a  
somewhat jumpy temp gauge and fuel gauge, and the tach is inop most of  
the time, so I'm hoping it's just electrical. Is there a pattern/ 
failure mode for 617 oil pumps? Could something be intermittantly  
plugging the pickup tube screen? I'm trying to think of everything I  
can here. Car is parked until I figure this one out. Any advice/test  
procedures appreciated.


Thanks in advance!

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] '50s (?) Blaupunkt, maybe somebody needs this?

[Loren Faeth]

I think the faceplate is VW.  The radio is a solid state, so it has 
to be about mid 60s.  Older radios had a tube amp hanging below.  I 
liked Blaupunkts because they were SS while becker was still selling 
tube radios for MBs.


At 11:47 AM 5/18/2009, you wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/oy6nb7
Anybody recognize this?  Is it from a Benz?  Too bad about the 
missing button...


Alex

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Re: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd

[brian . toscano]

My aunts husky would kill birds but used to leave them on the back door step!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Tom Hargrave" 

Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:54:39 
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd


I watched my Son's two Siberian Huskies while he spent a year in Okinawa.

The male used to lay quietly by the small fish pond I have in the back yard
then he'd jump & catch birds in mid-flight as they took off & down them in
one gulp. I figured his catch rate was about 30% - fun to watch.

Thanks,
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:49 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List
Subject: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd

the german spends most of her day enjoying the great outdoors in my large
fenced area of weds.  i slept between 8pm and 11pm and then got up to check
email.

i let the dogs out and about 20 minutes ago, invited them back in.  the
german proudly had what i guess to be  a 3/4s dead baby possum in her mouth,
ran into the house with it, and jumped into the kid's bed with it,
depositing it there as the kid slept.

ok, never in my life have i heard such blood curdling hysterical screams as
i've just encountered.

kids and dogs are just not always a winning combination

i used to use my backyard all the time, but don't even go back there anymore
as it is just the killing fields out there.  i've never seen a beast with
the sort of prey drive the german has.

you'd think this might make for a good guard dog, but no such luck either.
she simply LOVES all people.  and HATES all other animals.

i'm still not even remotely calm yet.
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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

[andrew strasfogel]

But I'm a landlubber!

Seriously, the shop manual says to disconnect the rod from the servo
mechanism, thus avoiding allowing you to remove and reinstall the new unit
semi-effortlesly.  Unfortunately, I cannot figure out how to perform this
slight of hand w/o breaking the vacuum seal on the new servo.

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > > andrew strasfogel wrote:
> > >
> > > I finally checked the rear hatch locking element and one
> > > circuit leaks like a sieve.  I do have  a spare, so that's
> > > the good news.  Unfortunately, it appears that the only
> > > way to do this job is by removing the hatch lock.  Has
> > > anyone done this job before - is there a short cut?
>
> > LWB250 wrote:
> >
> > No, and I can guarantee your hands/arms will be like
> > hamburger when you're done.  BTDT, and it wasn't pleasant.
> > If it's any consolation, it's not as bad as doing the heater
> > blower in a 114/108.
>
> It wasn't that bad! A bit puzzling the first time I took it
> out, but no skin damage that or the subsequent times. (For the
> record, the reason I did it so many times was because I was
> hunting. The lock/latch assembly was not unlocking with the
> key. Sometimes.)
>
> If you do choose to take the latch out, it comes out the hole
> to starboard. Once the bolts are out, move the latch aft and
> to starboard, leading the the lower (aft) part. Once it's
> parallel to the lower edge of the door, rotate it slighly and
> it will slide along the bottom edge and out the starboard
> hole.
>
> --   Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Fizzari?

[tyler]

Do you call it the Ferrari 914 because it's a low end Ferrari?

I don't know anything about the 308GTS, but I love 914s. I don't believe 
that a better handling street legal car has ever been made, especially 
when people put on a 911 suspension, brakes, and wheels. People like to 
call it the "VW Porsche" or the "poor mans porsche" but if I could have 
any model of Porsche the 914 would be it!


Tyler

relng...@aol.com wrote:
My friend DB, a long time Porsche driver, for some reason got all googly 
about buying a Ferrari years ago and he found a pretty red/tan Ferrari 914, 
also known as a 308GTS


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Re: [MBZ] Fizzari?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:34 PM,   wrote:
>Ferrari 914,
> also known as a 308GTS.

Surely you mean the half-breed Dino 308GT4.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Info on Chrysler Dealership Closings

[Alex Chamberlain]

2009/5/18 Tom Hargrave :
> all-new versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee,
> Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger and Dodge Durango, and access to Fiat platforms
> and technology soon to come,

That's interesting. First I'd heard that the current 300/Charger were
being replaced.  Just a styling refresh or a major redesign, I wonder?
 If the latter, I wonder how cozy relations with Daimler are these
days and whether in turn the parts borrowed from the W210 (rear
suspension, transmission, etc.) will carry over?  Would be a shame if
they replaced the current model with something based on one of the
larger Alfa/Lancia platforms, which are supposed to be pretty nice but
are all FWD as far as I know.

Alex

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[MBZ] '50s (?) Blaupunkt, maybe somebody needs this?

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://tinyurl.com/oy6nb7
Anybody recognize this?  Is it from a Benz?  Too bad about the missing button...

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W107/W108 electric window regulators/rails - sprung?

[Jim Cathey]

I think the rear mount acting as a stop sprung the regulator, although 
nothing was obvious.  I tried springing it back with the monster 
channel-locks, and I tried pushing the back of the window down by 
hand, but the rear is still too high.


Keep fiddling with it, I doubt that it's all that broken or worn out.
Make sure the glass hasn't started to pull out of the carrier.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Fresh Out of the factory

[Rusty Cullens]

which lines Alex, I will call Mercedes again to day to see if they are off 
backorder?



Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Chamberlain" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fresh Out of the factory



Bummer!  I saw the title and thought Rusty was going to tell us that
some NLA parts were being manufactured again, like my "permanently
backordered" injector lines.  ;)

Seriously, heartiest congratulations to Rusty and his family!

Alex


On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Rusty Cullens  
wrote:

My 2nd Granddaughter Adrianne right after she was born this morning at
8:25am. 8lbs 14oz, 211/2 inches long.



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[MBZ] Info on Chrysler Dealership Closings

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees,

As an important part of our creation of a new company with Fiat, today we
took a major step toward rightsizing our U.S. dealer network and aligning it
with the realities of a smaller overall market. Our goal is to create a
dealer network that is stronger, more profitable and better able to meet and
exceed the high expectations of today’s car and truck buyers.

To begin this difficult process, Chrysler LLC today filed a motion with the
U.S. Bankruptcy Court seeking to reject certain U.S. dealer agreements, and
submitted a list of U.S. dealer agreements to be assigned to the buyer of
its business assets. Subject to court approval, 2,392 Chrysler, Jeep® or
Dodge dealers will continue with the new company in a global alliance with
Fiat once the sale is complete. Also, pending court approval, 789 current
U.S. dealers will see their agreements with Chrysler LLC rejected and will
discontinue selling new Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles effective June 9.

We appreciate the support of all of our dealers over the years and sincerely
regret the need to take the painful action of discontinuing our relationship
with some of them. As you know, the auto industry is going through an
unprecedented falloff in sales in the United States and international
markets. We have adapted by reducing the number of vehicle models we build,
our production capacity and employees. Now we need to make similar
reductions in the size of our dealer body.

The decisions to accept and reject dealers were based on an objective,
data-driven review process that was rigorous and thoughtful, taking a number
of factors into consideration. We plan to maintain "business as usual" with
all of our dealers through this transition, including honoring warranty and
incentive payments. We are committed to working with all dealers to ensure
an ongoing positive relationship with customers. To ease the burden on
dealers whose agreements have not been assumed, Chrysler will work to assist
in the redistribution of new vehicles and parts currently held in their
inventories.

As I wrote Tuesday, we have signed an agreement with GMAC Financial Services
to provide automotive financing products and services to our dealers and
customers going forward. A stronger dealer network, supported by GMAC’s
long-term finance options for dealerships and customers, is critical to our
viability. A smaller dealer network will help increase sales and profits at
individual dealers, enabling them to better compete with our marketplace
competitors instead of battling each other for market share.

Additional information, including the motions filed, is available at
www.chryslerrestructuring.com.

Thank you all for the support you’ve given our dealers through referrals and
by continuing to be informed and optimistic ambassadors for Chrysler, Jeep®
and Dodge products. Our quality has never been better and our fuel economy
performance is improved on 73 percent of our current models. With our ENVI
electric-drive vehicles, all-new versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee,
Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger and Dodge Durango, and access to Fiat platforms
and technology soon to come, our customers — and all of us — can look
forward to even more exciting vehicles from a new and vibrant Chrysler in
the near future.

Bob

 

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[MBZ] Latest from Chrysler

[Tom Hargrave]

Dear Employees,

The Chrysler renewal story continues to move forward.  We are pleased with
the decision by the minority secured lenders to withdraw their opposition to
Chrysler’s proposed sale to Fiat.  We believe this is in the best interests
of all of Chrysler’s stakeholders. 

All of our constituents can be confident that our business will continue to
operate while we move through the restructuring process. As in the past, we
have made adjustments to our costs to align with the market, which remains
at extremely low levels.

As Nancy Rae notified all salaried employees earlier today, conditions of
our DIP financing also include a mandatory two-week unpaid leave for our
salaried work force to achieve a cost reduction equivalent to two weeks of
salary. While this two-week leave may need to be implemented, we are
assessing our progress toward the budget savings that were described in our
court filings and hope to achieve sufficient savings to delay any unpaid
leave or to render it unnecessary. As we put increasing demands on many
employees to help launch a new Chrysler, it also may make it difficult to
implement unpaid leave for many employees.

As we go through this transitional period, it’s important that we let
consumers know that we’re building a company that will deliver the kind of
vehicles they’re looking for – cars and trucks with great design, improved
fuel economy, future electric drive options and soon-to-come, world-class
technology from Fiat. So this coming Monday, we will launch a new corporate
advertising campaign on prime-time network television that highlights our
current and future vehicles, and our rebirth as a global automotive company.
The campaign uses the theme line that we introduced in print advertisements
on May 3: “We’re building a new car company. Come see what we’re building
for you.” The advertising tells consumers why they can have trust and
confidence in the future of our company. 

More details on these U.S. and international advertising campaigns are
available at HYPERLINK
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coop.chrysler.com.HYPERLINK
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ighlights-company-products/"

Despite the difficulties of the past several months, we can look forward to
the future with a renewed sense of optimism. If we stick together and stay
steadfast on the course we’ve set, I am confident we will reach our goal of
creating a sustainable, vibrant and globally competitive company. 

Bob

 

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Re: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Our outside can almost every morning has some sort of animal she has 
killed waiting on the front porch.  It is not uncommon to come out and 
see something with its head removed.  I have seen mice, rats, birds, 
squirrels, rabbits, large rabbits and so on.


Gary Hurst wrote:

the german spends most of her day enjoying the great outdoors in my large
fenced area of weds.  i slept between 8pm and 11pm and then got up to check
email.

i let the dogs out and about 20 minutes ago, invited them back in.  the
german proudly had what i guess to be  a 3/4s dead baby possum in her mouth,
ran into the house with it, and jumped into the kid's bed with it,
depositing it there as the kid slept.

ok, never in my life have i heard such blood curdling hysterical screams as
i've just encountered.

kids and dogs are just not always a winning combination

i used to use my backyard all the time, but don't even go back there anymore
as it is just the killing fields out there.  i've never seen a beast with
the sort of prey drive the german has.

you'd think this might make for a good guard dog, but no such luck either.
she simply LOVES all people.  and HATES all other animals.

i'm still not even remotely calm yet.
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Re: [MBZ] the joy of the german shepherd

[Mitch Haley]

Christopher McCann wrote:

Anke was viciously snapping at - and chasing - a fly this afternoon. 


Chris


Wait until she tries it with a hornet. They are easier to catch than flies.
I had a GSP that chased insects. I think he got three hornets and a yellow 
jacket over the years. No joy there, but he'd be chasing flies again in a day or 
two. What a doofus.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

[Luther]

To answer your last question first, yes, you are missing the point by 
using a nuke to find a needle in a haystack.   See below.



Gary Hurst wrote:
the biggest problem with nissens is not the quality of their product, 
Why didn't you stop here?  That answered my question (telling me they 
are a quality product worthy of my Benz) well enough, no need to bs on 
and on and on and on, my friends.  Cause it's the song that never


Luther


but
that they are difficult to deal with as a company.  they change pricing
often and somewhat capriciously and have very much an "our way or the
highway" attitude.  while nissens has been steadily raising prices, behr has
been keeping their prices in line and even dropping some of them.  as a
consequence, nissens has been losing market share among my customers to behr
and to alternative aftermarket companies such as valeo.

it's a high happiness product though.  i don't think anyone has had any
complaints about them at all until kleb.  then again, i have customers write
to me every day about how they get their parts in one or two business days,
while it somehow takes kleb six weeks to get them.

but again, if you want a behr, then get a behr.  i'm very much a creature of
habit so i tend to gravitate towards the same brands:  behr, bilstein,
stribel, eberspacher, lemforder, sachs, phoenix, beru, graf, akebono, et
al.  i'm very comfortable with the european, north american or japanese made
products of these companies (although some of the stuff from china has been
dissapointing despite claims that they are "identical" to the products
formerly made in germany".  i have no bad feelings about, say, a hepu or a
geuine water pump, but will always use a graf.  i don't dislike bosch plug
wires, but i will always choose a beru or, to save money, karlyns made with
beru or bremi components.  i will always prefer ate slotted rotors for my
front brakes, but i think plane jane zimmerman or balo discs are pretty good
too (in fact, italian made ate or brembo seem to be slightly less
troublesome than the german brands, although i'm avoiding brembo entirely
now as nearly all of their aftermarket rotor production is now chinese).  i
will always choose akebono pads for the front, but can happily recomment
textar/pagid to anyone.  (and i will use chinese crap for the most part on
the rears, but can see why someone else wouldn't).  i will generally prefer
brand new ate brake calipers over rebuilts, but i can see why someone would
want to spend $60 on rebuilts instead of $200 on new ones.

so if you don't like nissens, buy a behr.  i'll generally buy a behr myself,
but still am confident that nissens is a very high quality product.  i only
use mobil1 and brad penn oil, but if you want to use havoline or valvoline,
i'm not going to say you are a bad person using a bad product.

i use a ceramic "steel" to keep the edge on my knives, but you can use a
steel one and get even better results than i do.

is there something here i'm missing about what kleb and luther are trying to
say?


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Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"


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