Re: [MBZ] A380 arrives at Oshkosh like an anvil
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/EAAAirVenture2009_AirbusA380_HardLanding_200850-1.html Maybe I have a one-track mind, but when I saw A380 in the subject line I assumed it meant an A-class hot-rodded with an M116 V-8. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A380 arrives at Oshkosh like an anvil
We had flown to a sea food festival in Port St. Joe, Florida in a 182R Cessna with friends daughter and her boyfriend who were in the back seat. Boyfriend was nervous about flying. Heard a gurgling sound shortly after we had taken off, so I looked back and her boyfriend was white as a sheet. We lost our landing gear., he said. The landing gear on a 182R looks about the same as it does on a 172 and several other light planes, but it's retractable. You can look down and see it when it down but it looks like it's missing when its retracted. Boyfriend was thankfully okay after we told him; especially after eating a lot of seafood since we didn't have any barf bags onboard. Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.comafter a particularly hard landing in Las Vegas while deplaneing I heard a passenger in front of me say Thank you Captain pogo stick which was dutifly passed down the line by each additional passenger... I also had a pilot once knicker over the intercomm Whoa big fella. There was one time flying into LAX where we got on approach and at the last second pulled up HARD and went around again, the pilot came on Bill, have you seen the airport? I could have sworn it was around here someplace -Curt Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:37:22 -0500 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] A380 arrives at Oshkosh like an anvil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: nhbblomcoljnegblbjcpmehinhaa@mts.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Who cares about the pilot? What about the other poor souls on there who enjoyed the ride he provided to them? They won't need to go to the amusement park and ride the roller coaster. Randy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090729/15a5a992/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.35/2270 - Release Date: 07/29/09 06:12:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Public Service Announcement - 126 seat switch needed
On a slightly different point, what you mention about the staffer giving his viewpoint priority points to the major problem with term limits. The elected positions of congress are pretty much overwhelming in terms of needing to know everything about everything coming before the legislature, so they have to rely on staffers until they are well versed in a given subject. The longer a person stays, in theory they will actually get to know an increasing number of areas reasonably well. A mandatory turnover of elected officials elevates the non-elected staff to being the only ones who are the experts on nearly every issue, so they end up being responsible for even more legislation than they are responsible for now [don't they write just about all of it?], and with fewer checks to their power. I don't think term limits are a bad idea, even with that. I also think most professors need to spend at least one of every five years in the real world doing the thing they teach. I have many such fantasies. Another fantasy [?] is that someone out there has a replacement passenger seat control switch to replace the one I destroyed a couple of weeks ago. The dual position switch with headrest adjustment was the one we had so my son wired it in to control the non-memory seat on my '81 300SD. With that much custom wiring having been done I think it would be best to replace it with the same one we rigged to work before. Kaleb? Anybody? I have a baggie full of small springs and pivots and such - all I could find of the exploding switch I had in there. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Public Service Announcement Allan Streib wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: I don't think my representatives can read -- but Will Rogers said we should write to them anyway. (Don't remember the exact quote). They don't read the leglislation they vote on, why would you think they read letters from their constituents? They've got staffers to look at the letters, pick out a few key words, and tabulate the results. Boss, our mail on CCW reciprocity is running 7 for to 3 against. Thanks. Read any good ones? (staffer hands elected critter the best 3 letters that support the staffer's point of view) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 manual mirror lubing?
Wilton sent me 72-270 which shows a little screw that seems to cover my issue. I'll give it a shot tonight. -Curt Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:15:49 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 manual mirror lubing? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090729221549.f3c9c944.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: Similar problem, the driver's mirror on my '83 240D shows mostly the side of the car even when adjusted all the way left... Is there an adjustment for these? I don't think so - not on a W123. I have had broken linkage and non-moving - or limited-moving - joints, but I've never found any adjustments. (other than the one in the center console... -- Philip -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/dff65d46/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apollo pics
Loren wrote: Actually, it is in your water, and taters, and inside your house, and selected other places where they know you will have to ingest it. You are doomed. They know who you are Well water? I doubt that - but there is lateral as well as vertical movement of stuff in the aquifer. That takes a long time to get to the wellhead though. At work - yes - so I carry my well water to work for drinking at work. But, I do drink the coffee made with chlorinated water - yep, I'm doomed. Good bye, cruel world - try the tater tots, they are supreme... I'll be here all week. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT A380 arrives at Oshkosh like an anvil -- now barfing
I was once flying back home to Indiana from Boston. I get on the flight, we take off, nice and smooth. About 20-30 min into the flight I hear some guy horking back behind me. Then a couple minutes later, a couple more. Then a short time later a few more. I am up front and the FA is standing there near me, we are sorta laughing at this thing, turns out most of the people were on one of those 2 day trips to Boston, you go, they take you here and there on a bus, the last stop was at some all-you-can-eat seafood buffet in New Hampster or Maine or somewhere up the coast. All these people had pigged out on the allyoucaneat, then go get on the plane to go back home to Indiana. So some little time later all that stuff starts swimming around, and if you aren't used to seafood sometimes you can have some reactions to lobsters or clams or whatever, or all of the above. The first one set off the others, it was like black ice on the freeway. At some point this HUGE woman runs up to the forward head and locks herself in for the duration of the flight. She was easy 300lb. We get ready to land, she won't come out. The FA gets her little weenie husband (guy weighs about 120, was totally embarassed) to come try to cajole her to get out of the head and go back to her seat, she is wailing inside that she is about to die, (Dear, we need to land now, you have to come out, come on honey NOO I'm gonna dieee!!!) you could hear it all over the plane. I am laughing like hell, the FA was torn between being angry she won't come out, and laughing at her too. The pilot comes back and tries to get her out, no go, he is pissed. So the plane lands in Dayton OH for a quick stop, her still wailing in the head, an ambulance meets the plane, EMTs come in to check the people, most are sorta OK by then. Except for the huge woman, they finally cajole her out of the head by bringing up a stretcher, loading her on, then carrying her out. This was quite a trick considering it was like a DC9 or something, and she was, uh, quite ample. All the people, including this woman and her weenie hubbie, were headed to Indiana too, but the EMTs were taking her to a hospital in Dayton. The FA asked the hubbie if he wanted to go or stay, he was thinking real hard about it, but finally elected to stay with wifey. So, anyway, we were getting off the plane, I see standing in the back (I was sitting in the first row) the father of a good friend of mine, who was a doctor. I wait for him when we get off, say hi, etc. He had been in Boston for some conference. I asked him if he helped out, he laughed and said hell no, they deserved what they got. Compassion! It was a memorable experience. --R archer wrote: We had flown to a sea food festival in Port St. Joe, Florida in a 182R Cessna with friends daughter and her boyfriend who were in the back seat. Boyfriend was nervous about flying. Heard a gurgling sound shortly after we had taken off, so I looked back and her boyfriend was white as a sheet. We lost our landing gear., he said. The landing gear on a 182R looks about the same as it does on a 172 and several other light planes, but it's retractable. You can look down and see it when it down but it looks like it's missing when its retracted. Boyfriend was thankfully okay after we told him; especially after eating a lot of seafood since we didn't have any barf bags onboard. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
Loren wrote: Post 2001 security takes the fun out of it. I have the same sentiment. We took the train to LA and drove to ChiTown last year. Airplane was out of the question, in my estimation. I can recall a take-off from old Denver Stapleton years ago, and there was a plane landing as we waited in line. It was a windy day, and that landing plane nearly tipped his wing in the runway the wind was soo bad. No fear, however after seeing that. But, it was interesting to note in to the memory. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W202 C200
I was not really planning to acquire it. Just wondered what might be wrong with it. He says he bought it when it was 2 years old and drove it for close to 10 years and then parked it because he inherited a new Chrysler 300. Sitting has not been good for it apparently. I asked and he says it is leaking transmission oil. He is afraid it will cost as much to repair as it is worth so has been ignoring it. I suggested topping it up and driving it a bit to see what happens. Also, if it still leaks, look for obvious things like cooler lines leaking etc. Guess we shall see what he does. Car is in Ohio so a long way from here. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of relng...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:11 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W202 C200 Old friend has one in his garage that he says needs work equal to its value. What goes wrong with this model? Is this the era of bad wiring harness or rusty spring perches? He is in Ohio so likely some rust issues on a car that is this old I bought a '95 C280 new and drove it nearly seven years. Looking back, I think it was a very good car with a few early glitches that were fixed. The AC is powerful, the seating is spacious and the trunk is big enough. Highway gas mileage in the six cylinder can reach 28mpg. At the end there had been no wiring nor rust problems. But, the C220 is the 4-cylinder version which ruins the car. Noisy, lumpy and gruff and it's slow. . I would find something else unless the price is next to nothing and your requirements are low. RLE ** Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223106546x1201717234/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck %2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D8) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090729/16521ff2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] HF AC gauges + mama's AC
Yesterday I was up by the HF store, checked to see if those gauges were on sale, or if I had a 20% coupon, neither one. Just now I get a 20% off coupon, the gauges are still not on sale, but I might go get a set. I gotta check mama's 134 converted AC system (300SD), it is not BLOWING ICE COLD. I looked at the low side pressure, the can gauge seemed to suggest it was in the proper range, whatever that is worth. It looks like the conversion was done properly (such as can be) by a good shop at some point, it seemed to blow a bit cooler earlier in the summer before it got hotter. Think doing a check with the HF gauges might point me in the right direction? Should I consider a test mixture instead of the 134? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
I will bet money they will check those wings real good. The last thing that Airbus wants right now it to have one of these fancy new birds fall out of the air. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] hard landings Invariably, years ago when WWII pilots were still flying commercial airliners; Every time I was on a plane greased in, when the pilot came out of the cockpit, he was old, and I was sure he was a WWII bomber pilot. Every time we came in steep, and slammed down hard and stayed there, I was sure the jocky was used to landing with a tailhook, and sure enough, a young pilot emerged after the flight. Few commercial pilots now, with all the advanced instruments, grease them in like those old guys did. But I don't fly as much now. Post 2001 security takes the fun out of it. That A380 looked like it was crabbing pretty good. If it was yesterday, there were pretty stiff winds in WI, I was there. I didn't see anything too alarming in the A380. It did not look graceful, but a crab angle like that pretty much precludes a really soft landing. The wings are built to flex. Still, a check might be in order. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
R A Bennell wrote: I will bet money they will check those wings real good. The last thing that Airbus wants right now it to have one of these fancy new birds fall out of the air. I'd be more worried about the landing gear. I bet a wee bit of turbulence in flight would do flex the wings that much. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
Airbus has problems with tails falling off. The pilots in the last few days have also demanded that euro pitot tubes be replaced with some good ol merkin parts. --R Mitch Haley wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I will bet money they will check those wings real good. The last thing that Airbus wants right now it to have one of these fancy new birds fall out of the air. I'd be more worried about the landing gear. I bet a wee bit of turbulence in flight would do flex the wings that much. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
Their other planes have a record of unexplained (to the public) crashes, but there are many documented instances of their fly by wire, my program is better than your skill and judgement system leading to near catastrophic crashes. Another reason I don't like to fly much anymore. I prefer flying in merkun boing (boring?) planes. The airlines don't let you choose the aircraft you fly on. Sometimes they tell you when you buy the ticket, but when you board, it is something else. I don't think there is an airline that does not own some Airbus hardware, 'cept maybe Hawaiian. At 12:45 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: Airbus has problems with tails falling off. The pilots in the last few days have also demanded that euro pitot tubes be replaced with some good ol merkin parts. --R Mitch Haley wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I will bet money they will check those wings real good. The last thing that Airbus wants right now it to have one of these fancy new birds fall out of the air. I'd be more worried about the landing gear. I bet a wee bit of turbulence in flight would do flex the wings that much. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 manual mirror lubing?
Curt Raymond wrote: Wilton sent me 72-270 which shows a little screw that seems to cover my issue. I'll give it a shot tonight. Well, well. It's amazing what I can learn about things I thought I knew when I read the manual... --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Turbo Adjustment 84 300D
Can some tell me how to adjust the turbo pressure on a 84 300D? I am currently maxing out at 9 pounds of pressure at full throttle and I understand it should be at about 11.5. The ALDA is adjusted all the way counter clockwise. I am trying to squeeze a little more out of this engine which is very sluggish (270,000 miles) compared to my son- in- law's wagon. Filters changed and valves adjusted within the last month. One other question, I am having trouble with inconsistent starting with this car at various times. It feels like it is not maintaining fuel pressure because it will crank over, but it takes up to 20-30 seconds to start. This usually happens when I try to start it after driving for a while and then letting it sit for 15 minutes. Other times it starts right up. I pulled all glow plugs and checked them using a battery charger, all glowed very well. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
A crabbed landing, done very well, was my impression. Big plane, high crosswinds, and a small runway, I think the pilot did a great job. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HF AC gauges + mama's AC
Check to make sure the monovalve is not leaking and allowing hot coolant into the heater core as well. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turbo Adjustment 84 300D
Check the condition of the fuel lines at the lift pump (on the side of the injection pump). A dead hose on the suction side will allow air into the fuel (possibly AFTER the in-line filter) and hence air and foam in the injection pump. That will result in hard starts, low boost, low output, and eventually complete failure to start. If the hoses have diesel fuel soaking the fabric cover, the rubber underneath is shot and leaking both ways. Eventually the fuel will leak all the way back down to the tank when it's below 1/4 tank, and it will fill the IP with air If you still have the old screw down type primer pump, it's probably shot as well. I'd replace it with the thumb type as a matter of course. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turbo Adjustment 84 300D
Check the boost signal hose coming off the back of the manifold, and the hole where it screws into the manifold. If that craps up, or the hose is kaput, improper boost signal, low performance. --R Michael Esh wrote: Can some tell me how to adjust the turbo pressure on a 84 300D? I am currently maxing out at 9 pounds of pressure at full throttle and I understand it should be at about 11.5. The ALDA is adjusted all the way counter clockwise. I am trying to squeeze a little more out of this engine which is very sluggish (270,000 miles) compared to my son-in- law's wagon. Filters changed and valves adjusted within the last month. One other question, I am having trouble with inconsistent starting with this car at various times. It feels like it is not maintaining fuel pressure because it will crank over, but it takes up to 20-30 seconds to start. This usually happens when I try to start it after driving for a while and then letting it sit for 15 minutes. Other times it starts right up. I pulled all glow plugs and checked them using a battery charger, all glowed very well. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
Yeah, he set it right on the numbers, or Otto did. --R Peter Frederick wrote: A crabbed landing, done very well, was my impression. Big plane, high crosswinds, and a small runway, I think the pilot did a great job. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HF AC gauges + mama's AC
I replaced the monovalve right after we got the car, in Feb, and it did not seem to make a difference in the heat in the car, not that it gets very cold here. Just now thinking about that makes me wonder if something in the system other than the AC charge is not allowing ICE COLD air to blow out. --R Peter Frederick wrote: Check to make sure the monovalve is not leaking and allowing hot coolant into the heater core as well. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Kaleb! Move quick!
http://www.freep.com/article/20090730/BUSINESS01/90730081/Cash-for-clunkers-being-suspended --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HF AC gauges + mama's AC
Check the resistance of the temp sensors (evaporator, heater core, interior, exterior) -- if one of them is off, the system may be adding heat when you don't want it. If the heater hoses are hot after driving (don't shut it off, the monovalve defaults open and it will siphon hot coolant through), either the valve is leaking or the PBCU is calling for heat. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 fenders available via CA Classic Center
For those of you who may be interested, new W123 fenders (front rear) are available thru the MBUSA CA Classic Center at prices lower than those found elsewhere. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009cat=sports -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/c53eb6d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
Yea, and they went convertible mid-flight a couple of years back, if I remember correctly. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: I don't think there is an airline that does not own some Airbus hardware, 'cept maybe Hawaiian. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/c2f14f04/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders available via CA Classic Center
I am guessing that they cost more than the value of my '77 240D. I have just about decided to bite the bullet and let nature have its course with my diesel. Even with rust at its worth, I have a good five to ten years use with the old diesel. Iowa has no car inspections, and as long as it will drive down the road, you can keep getting license and insurance. In Iowa, a bit (or a lot) of rust isn't a badge of shame. It is a badge of honor that the car is still on the road in spite of the elements. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: For those of you who may be interested, new W123 fenders (front rear) are available thru the MBUSA CA Classic Center at prices lower than those found elsewhere. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009cat=sports -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/c53eb6d3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/95394c91/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
No, that was Aloha Airlines, now extinct, and it was about 20 years ago. That was an early 737 with a gazillion landings and takeoffs. I think that airframe had more landings than any other 737 at the time. It was a case of metal fatigue. Think about it. 20 minute flights from 6 am until 10 pm every day except for scheduled maintenance. I don't remember how many years it was in the Aloha fleet, but lets say 10-15 years. That is 16-20 flights a day probably. How many days/year is scheduled Maintenance on a 737?Lets say the plane was in service 300 days/year minimum. 16*300*10years = 48,000 takeoff and landing cycles. 20*330*15 = 99,000 takeoff and landing cycles. That particular plane was older than 15 years, so it either began life with another airline, or it was taking that rate for 20-30 years. Aloha updated its fleet after that. Up until that time, Aloha had a perfect safety record. How many other airlines could claim that? None at the time, and there were a lot more airlines in existence 20 years ago. It is a shame the fuel crunch last summer took Aloha down. It was a good airline. Frankly, I expected Hawaiian to go down and Aloha to survive. One death and no crashes in 50+ years, and the one death happened only because that airframe was cycled more than any of the designers and maintenance program had ever figured on: that is a pretty good record. I am not sure there is another airline, past or present that can equal it. Certainly not Aeroflot. I was impressed that a plane with that much damage was landed safely and didn't crumple/burn on landing. Reminiscent of B-17s of WWII. At 06:54 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: Yea, and they went convertible mid-flight a couple of years back, if I remember correctly. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: I don't think there is an airline that does not own some Airbus hardware, 'cept maybe Hawaiian. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/c2f14f04/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
The Aloha 737 had 90.000 plus cycles on it when it blew apart. The failure was a known issue (after all, that fuselage has been in use since 1956, it's the same one as the 707), but I don't believe anyone else had anywhere near the number of pressurization cycles. Stress concentration where the fuselage starts to taper down to the nose, just in front of the front passenger doors, I think. Anyway, stepped up inspection has prevented a re-occurance. It is now standard practice to remove the rivets in the affected area periodically to check for cracks hidden by the rivets themselves. I seem to remember the pilot saying that was the smoothest landing he ever made -- he was terrified (and rightly so) that the fuselage would collapse from the stress of landing. It should have, but didn't. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
Here is some info: Water was able to enter the gap where the epoxy failed to bond the two surfaces together properly, and started the corrosion process. The age of the aircraft became a key issue (it was 19 years old at the time of the accident and had sustained a remarkable number of takeoff-landing cycles 89,090, the second most cycles for a plane in the world at the time well beyond the 75,000 trips it was designed to sustain). Aircraft now receive additional maintenance checks as they age. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243 Which is actually a pretty good summary. I was not too far off with the number of landing cycles: 89,090, and I guessed between 48,000 and 99,000 Second most cycles in the world for a plane at the time but they didn't say what had the most. I'd guess a C-47/DC-3. I think I am right that it had the most cycles ever on a 737. At 08:26 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: No, that was Aloha Airlines, now extinct, and it was about 20 years ago. That was an early 737 with a gazillion landings and takeoffs. I think that airframe had more landings than any other 737 at the time. It was a case of metal fatigue. Think about it. 20 minute flights from 6 am until 10 pm every day except for scheduled maintenance. I don't remember how many years it was in the Aloha fleet, but lets say 10-15 years. That is 16-20 flights a day probably. How many days/year is scheduled Maintenance on a 737?Lets say the plane was in service 300 days/year minimum. 16*300*10years = 48,000 takeoff and landing cycles. 20*330*15 = 99,000 takeoff and landing cycles. That particular plane was older than 15 years, so it either began life with another airline, or it was taking that rate for 20-30 years. Aloha updated its fleet after that. Up until that time, Aloha had a perfect safety record. How many other airlines could claim that? None at the time, and there were a lot more airlines in existence 20 years ago. It is a shame the fuel crunch last summer took Aloha down. It was a good airline. Frankly, I expected Hawaiian to go down and Aloha to survive. One death and no crashes in 50+ years, and the one death happened only because that airframe was cycled more than any of the designers and maintenance program had ever figured on: that is a pretty good record. I am not sure there is another airline, past or present that can equal it. Certainly not Aeroflot. I was impressed that a plane with that much damage was landed safely and didn't crumple/burn on landing. Reminiscent of B-17s of WWII. At 06:54 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: Yea, and they went convertible mid-flight a couple of years back, if I remember correctly. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: I don't think there is an airline that does not own some Airbus hardware, 'cept maybe Hawaiian. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/c2f14f04/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
in retrospect, Aloha should have sent that one back to the lease company and leased a somewhat newer airframe in about 1986. I don't think anyone realized the number of cycles that airframe had taken. Nor did anyone, Boeing included, consider the effect of life in salt air for the length of time Aloha had that airframe in service. From the postmortem, it sounds like a minor manufacturing defect, coupled with corrosion, metal fatigue, the extremely large number of cycles, and age all contributed. As Peter said, that incident caused the manuals to be re-written, as did the UAL DC-10 turbine failure. Both resulted in vastly increased use of non-destructive evaluation in airframe inspections. I didn't know the 737 fuselage is the same as a 707. Is there documentation? At 08:46 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: The Aloha 737 had 90.000 plus cycles on it when it blew apart. The failure was a known issue (after all, that fuselage has been in use since 1956, it's the same one as the 707), but I don't believe anyone else had anywhere near the number of pressurization cycles. Stress concentration where the fuselage starts to taper down to the nose, just in front of the front passenger doors, I think. Anyway, stepped up inspection has prevented a re-occurance. It is now standard practice to remove the rivets in the affected area periodically to check for cracks hidden by the rivets themselves. I seem to remember the pilot saying that was the smoothest landing he ever made -- he was terrified (and rightly so) that the fuselage would collapse from the stress of landing. It should have, but didn't. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A380 arrives at Oshkosh like an anvil
It's kind of funny how the non-pilots get upset about missing or broken parts of an airplane. The second time I took one of my good friends up in a Citabria to do a little light aerobatics, I noticed that the altimeter hadn't changed after a three rotation spin from 8,000 or so feet - it just didn't move at all. I told Tim that it was stuck, and that we were going to feel our way down, then head to the airport. Of course, we didn't have much altitutde to loose at that point. Next thing I konw, the window is open, and he's barfing out it. Half of it went outside, the other half inside. He was fine till he knew something was wrong with the plane. We spent two hours cleaning out that plane after we landed, and I still got black listed from the rental group until one of theowners couldn't find a tow pilot and wanted to go soaring On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:07 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: We had flown to a sea food festival in Port St. Joe, Florida in a 182R Cessna with friends daughter and her boyfriend who were in the back seat. Boyfriend was nervous about flying. Heard a gurgling sound shortly after we had taken off, so I looked back and her boyfriend was white as a sheet. We lost our landing gear., he said. The landing gear on a 182R looks about the same as it does on a 172 and several other light planes, but it's retractable. You can look down and see it when it down but it looks like it's missing when its retracted. Boyfriend was thankfully okay after we told him; especially after eating a lot of seafood since we didn't have any barf bags onboard. Gerry -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/85704ad7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
R A Bennell b...@mts.net writes: I will bet money they will check those wings real good. The last thing that Airbus wants right now it to have one of these fancy new birds fall out of the air. Meanwhile, Boeing is having wing problems of its own on its new aircraft http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/boeingaerospace/2009565319_boeing30.html Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
They just needed some ventilation, it gets hot in the islands. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: Yea, and they went convertible mid-flight a couple of years back, if I remember correctly. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: I don't think there is an airline that does not own some Airbus hardware, 'cept maybe Hawaiian. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/d9cc4382/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HF AC gauges + mama's AC
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:49:31 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: If the heater hoses are hot after driving ... How about clamping one of the hoses shut with a couple of pieces of 2x4 and a C-clamp? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard landings
I took a ride on the highest-time DC-3 from Hyannis to Nantucket some years back, was being flown by Cape Air. It was a gorgeous plane, original passenger config with big leather seats, very comfy. I don't think we got above 1000 ft on the short hop over to the island. When I win the lottery I/m gonna buy it. --R Loren Faeth wrote: Here is some info: Water was able to enter the gap where the epoxy failed to bond the two surfaces together properly, and started the corrosion process. The age of the aircraft became a key issue (it was 19 years old at the time of the accident and had sustained a remarkable number of takeoff-landing cycles 89,090, the second most cycles for a plane in the world at the time well beyond the 75,000 trips it was designed to sustain). Aircraft now receive additional maintenance checks as they age. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243 Which is actually a pretty good summary. I was not too far off with the number of landing cycles: 89,090, and I guessed between 48,000 and 99,000 Second most cycles in the world for a plane at the time but they didn't say what had the most. I'd guess a C-47/DC-3. I think I am right that it had the most cycles ever on a 737. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hawaiian Airbus
...Yea, and they went convertible mid-flight a couple of years back, if I remember correctly... Aside from the fact that it was Aloha Airlines and a 737, you are right on. RLE ** Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223105306x1201716871/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D9) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090730/8612b4aa/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turbo Adjustment 84 300D
Can some tell me how to adjust the turbo pressure on a 84 300D? I am currently maxing out at 9 pounds of pressure at full throttle and I understand it should be at about 11.5. Tells you nothing, by itself. The boost pressure is the result of a positive feedback system, if there is _anything_ preventing maximum fueling and airing of the engine (both) then your boost pressure will not hit the limit. Adjusting the boost limit is only useful if it _is_ the boost limiter that is acting as the limiting factor. Sometimes ALDAs need shimming, not just adjustment screws. And, of course, sometimes it _is_ indeed the turbo wastegate that is the problem. Usually not. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HF AC gauges + mama's AC
Should I consider a test mixture instead of the 134? The chief reason is to avoid converting the oils, which is the big problem (IMHO) with converting. But so far as I know the test refrigerant will also transport the gross oils too, so you could try it. But best to check all the pressures, etc., before dinking around with it so you know what you're starting with. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
