date:20090829

Isn't it possible to have more than one clicker for a door?  IF so, 
how do you go about doing this?


They vary, our Wayne Daltons will accept up to four different
remotes.  Three were used, we have three doors and three
three-button remotes.  The lifts are programmed individually,
and it's pretty easy to lose earlier trainings if you're
not careful.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: garage door opener wireless

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:46:17 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:

> Isn't it possible to have more than one clicker for a door?  

Yes, it is.

> IF so, how do you go about doing this?  One opener is a lift-master 
> (Chamberlain) and the other is another brand (I forgot what brand) 
> Thanks!

You have to open the opener's receiver and push the programming button,
then key the remote you want to program.

Your instruction manual should have the procedure listed. Note: If you
hold the programming button down, it erases all of the remotes that have
been programmed into it. Good for when you lose a remote; not so good when
you are trying to add one.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] grrr. siezed caliper

Age doesn't matter if someone dumped DOT3 fluid in it.  Gotta be DOT 
4.  I only use castrol DOT 4, but that is just me.


(unless you purge and flush all and do the Dot5 switch, but that 
starts a discussion much the same as oil.) In that case, no Dot 3 
anyway.  Best to only buy dot 4.  It works in DO3 systems, but not vice versa.


At 10:06 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote:

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> Check the brake hoses first, might be swelled shut

Hoses and calipers are less than 2 years old.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] cv boots

SHoeGoo or silicone form-a-gasket of any color should work.  Clean up 
the boot surface good with petroleum based cleaner, about the same 
viscosity as Diesel fuel, then remove that film with acetone or 
detergent and water. Then smear away.


At 10:41 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote:

Craig McCluskey  writes:

>> If they aren't leaking yet, you may be able to research a good rubber
>> preservative and treat them to prevent the cracks from getting worse.
>> MOPAR guys have to be very creative at preserving and saving all sorts
>> of auto stuff including rubber seals, so try that avenue.  I think they
>> use naptha, but I'm not sure.
>
> I have a bottle of glycerin to treat door seals. Perhaps that will work
> for the half-shaft boots.

Hm.  Maybe Shoe Goo?

Actually I'm thinking about that black rubberized gasket maker goo.  It
stays flexible right?


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[MBZ] OT: garage door opener wireless


I have a question for the wireless gurus:  (Yeah, dumb questions)

I am new to the world of garage door openers.  Have two doors with 
openers.  One door had a remote "clicker."  The other door was set up 
for it, but didn't come with a "Clicker."


I went to the  store, bought a 2 door clicker, managed to program it, 
but now the old clicker doesn't work.  I guessed the clicker was 
matched to the code the door opener transmitted.  Evidence seems that 
the door opener changes to match the clicker code.


Isn't it possible to have more than one clicker for a door?  IF so, 
how do you go about doing this?  One opener is a lift-master 
(Chamberlain) and the other is another brand (I forgot what brand)  Thanks!


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Re: [MBZ] cv boots

Craig McCluskey  writes:

>> If they aren't leaking yet, you may be able to research a good rubber
>> preservative and treat them to prevent the cracks from getting worse. 
>> MOPAR guys have to be very creative at preserving and saving all sorts
>> of auto stuff including rubber seals, so try that avenue.  I think they
>> use naptha, but I'm not sure.
>
> I have a bottle of glycerin to treat door seals. Perhaps that will work
> for the half-shaft boots.

Hm.  Maybe Shoe Goo?

Actually I'm thinking about that black rubberized gasket maker goo.  It
stays flexible right?


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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

It is Seattle, the parts are going to be all new, springs, shocks, and  
maybe some control arms.  There is some metal on metal rubbing from  
prior front end damage.  We found that by seeing the sheet metal was  
out of spec related to the rest.


clay


On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


1700 to rebuild the front end?  That seems a little high

Redghost wrote:
SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's  
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.


This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?   
What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be  
worth with all her parts and a wonky front end?


I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro  
lights, new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and  
more.  Much more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a  
van to haul the rest.


Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt  
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?


SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets  
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the  
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.


Opinions please






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] cv boots

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:33:19 -0400 "Max Dillon"
 wrote:

> If they aren't leaking yet, you may be able to research a good rubber
> preservative and treat them to prevent the cracks from getting worse. 
> MOPAR guys have to be very creative at preserving and saving all sorts
> of auto stuff including rubber seals, so try that avenue.  I think they
> use naptha, but I'm not sure.

I have a bottle of glycerin to treat door seals. Perhaps that will work
for the half-shaft boots.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] diff leaking

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:52:14 -0400 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> While I had my head under the car today working on brakes, I noticed
> that there's oil leaking out of the diff where the axle joins it.  Is
> there a seal there that's replaceable?

Yes.

When I got our new-from-the-salvage-yard W123 300D differential to replace
the original-with-the-car W123 240D differential, I had the local Indy
replace all the seals. I thought it too much of a job to correctly replace
them myself without the special tools. I expect it would be harder in the
car.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

It is a safety issue though.  I may do passable work, but I really do  
not trust it.  I screw it up, I eat it.  They screw it up, I can have  
them fix it.


On top of that I have only the street to work in.  Getting Gump up and  
apart would be a task beyond my meager tool kit.  Said tool kit seems  
even less capable after the reaction the fellow at the shop had upon  
seeing what the job entailed for him to do it.  Massive groan, and  
pointed out to the other mechanic that it was going to be like working  
on that dreaded r107 they had finished.


I did do a tie rod job.  Not sure if the parts were crap or I boogered  
it up.  They are going to have to be replaced because they are failing.


clay



On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Kevin wrote:


Except suspension is easy. Bang out old, install new, get aligned.

Hardest part about suspension work is getting ball joints out. If  
that's
a problem, unbolt the thing with the ball joint and pay a shop $20  
or so to

swap the joint. You have to align it anyway.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 02:54:44PM -0700, Redghost wrote:
Myself, not bold enough to tackle the work.  Every time I tackle a  
big

job, I seem to hit a snag that results in needing to tow Gump to the
shop to unbugger the mess I made.  Witness the transmission, water
pump, glow plugs, engine and trans mounts.  After my ham handed work,
she no longer allows me to do work that disables the car.


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Re: [MBZ] cv boots

2009-08-29 Thread Max Dillon

Allan,

Don't even think about try to 're-boot' the axles.  Special tools required, and 
between the cost of the kit and the labor for paying someone else with the 
special tools to do it, you're money ahead to buy good used ones or even new 
ones from Rusty.

If they aren't leaking yet, you may be able to research a good rubber 
preservative and treat them to prevent the cracks from getting worse.  MOPAR 
guys have to be very creative at preserving and saving all sorts of auto stuff 
including rubber seals, so try that avenue.  I think they use naptha, but I'm 
not sure.

Max


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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:10:45 -0400
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I also noticed today that the rubber boots on the rear axle are looking
dry and have surface cracking.  I don't think any of the cracks are all
the way through yet, I don't see any grease coming through.

I've replaced CV boots on a front wheel drive car, is there anything
significantly different about doing them on W123 rear axles?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] grrr. siezed caliper

Mountain Man  writes:

> Push the piston in and then use the brake pedal to push it out again.
> Exercise it a bit and you might be fine, or, as Peter said, it might
> be cocked.  I would try the exercise bit before I spend more dollars
> for a rebuilt.

Have not been able to get it to move either way using a C-clamp to try
to squeeze it in and brake pedal (with the other piston clamped) to try
to push it out.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

When you join, you can tell them what section you want to be assigned 
to.  IF you attend a few meetings and don't like it, just call up 
MBCA and request to be changed to a different section.  Any section 
will be glad to have you attend meetings, regardless of your 
membership.  Our section regularly has attendance form adjoining 
sections.  We always are glad to see them!



At 02:06 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote:

Sorry-yes there is a Minuteman section. I am actually closer to CT and
wonder where they would assign me to a section as I wouldn't want to pay
15.00 for second section. The CT section takes in part of NY.


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD).
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

That can't be correct - there is at least one:  the Minuteman Section

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr
wrote:

> OK-such a bargain. Actually I might join but I don't see any sections in
MA
> or RI so there would be no local activities for me.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD).
> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
> Wickford, RI
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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

There would be no payments, we do cash for cars.  This entails a huge  
hit to the stack under the mattress.  It would increase the insurance  
portion though.  Another car with comprehensive would replace the  
rolling turd that is Gump.  Also additional cost of having dork boy  
getting access to two nice cars.  Cleaning up the sticky stuff from  
the back seat.  Leather and cloth are bad.  MB-Tex=good


clay

On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

How about $200 a month for 9 months? Its usually the lump sum they  
complain about...
How much would she be spending on a new ride in payments? People  
tend to never think of that.


I'm such a New Englander. Our conversation would end with "its my  
dammed car and I'll spend on it what I please." which works well  
considering I'm the primary breadwinner in our house.


Which reminds me I need to go finish installing the trim around the  
new stereo in Dory. Don't tell my wife but the old one hadn't  
actually failed, the plug had come off the blasted fader thing in  
the console (again!). I was fooled because the PO had direct wired  
the left front speaker leading me to believe the entire right  
channel was dead.
I direct wired the other front speaker in process of figuring it out  
which gives me 4 discrete channels. This unit supports USB playback  
so 4 channels might be fun to play with.


-Curt

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:31:09 -0700
From: Redghost 
Subject: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.

This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?
What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be worth
with all her parts and a wonky front end?

I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights,
new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much
more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the
rest.

Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?

SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.

Opinions please
 


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Re: [MBZ] cv boots

2009-08-29 Thread Mountain Man

Allan wrote:
> I've replaced CV boots on a front wheel drive car, is there anything
> significantly different about doing them on W123 rear axles?

The MB boots are a different animal as I have been told.  I can recall
doing the boots on a Type 2 transporter - an easy job.  However, the
MB can is a different animal requiring some can crimper tool that is
special.  There was a guy that did the can crimp carefully with vise
grips but I have not seen the website in years.  I used to think it
was Richard Hattaway's site, or in his neighborhood, but I don't know.
 Purchase a rebuild axle from Rusty or the local CarQuest /
Beck-Arnley.  Surface cracks are okay - just keep an eye on them -
they will warn you with noises much before they go to failure mode and
harm your travel.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] grrr. siezed caliper

2009-08-29 Thread Mountain Man

Allan wrote:
> Hoses and calipers are less than 2 years old.

Push the piston in and then use the brake pedal to push it out again.
Exercise it a bit and you might be fine, or, as Peter said, it might
be cocked.  I would try the exercise bit before I spend more dollars
for a rebuilt.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

Jim, this is the year of buckle down and break a sweat for him.  I can  
not see tossing close to $200k at a school for him if he is not going  
to put forth the effort.


I am sure that admissions folks are not interested in his ability to  
play WoW or have watched all episodes of Stargate.  He will need to  
show initiative and get some extra-curricular activities to showcase  
his talents.  Right now his best efforts are doing errands from  
SWMBA.  That sort of puts a crapper on doing vehicle support functions  
to gain access to a car.


Women

Now, summer of 2010 will be time for him to get a real job.  Going to  
need to put away some cash to afford higher education.  Rinse and  
repeat for  2011.  Lack of participation will no doubt lead to a nice  
in state community college.


clay

On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Interesting, hmm?  How about LT gets to walk, unless
he does a little front-end work on what he'll also need
to learn to drive a little bit?


If that won't fly, how about an alternative?  Pick
your repair person, and offer him the services of
Toby in exchange for the labor, you buy the parts.
'Apprentice' LT to him for however long seems right to
both of you, LT is not consulted on this.  Mop floors,
wash cars, fetch coffee, pick up dry cleaning (by bus!)
etc., whatever unskilled labor the Indy can use that
can be worked out.  Maybe even offer LT the choice of
these two fine alternatives, else enjoy that bus pass
that you bought with your paper route money!

This only works if 'or else' is real, else LT will
just L his T-ly way along.  But if it works, perhaps
it provides a little extra motivation to do well in
school?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

Many dealers offer a 10% discount on parts.  If your local dealer 
doesn't, ask them to.  But then we usually save MORE than 10% by 
buying from Rusty.  Since I have no workable dealer within 100 miles, 
I just buy from Rusty.  Much less hassle, other than the wait.  I 
have enough cars, that if one is down waiting for parts, it is an 
inconvenience, but not a big problem.


At 06:20 AM 8/29/2009, you wrote:

Max,
How much is MBCA membership? Don't some dealers offer MBCA discounts on
parts, etc?
Thanks
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD).
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:04 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

I don't think it would kill any of you to invent a screen name and
password so you can access the MB Club of America website (unless I'm
missing something here?).

Regardless, attached are three of the pics.

When you decide to join MBCA, please reference my membership number
(D008916) so that I get another month of free membership!

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

Wonko wrote:
> MBCA ransom ... I won't pay it.

Alex wrote:
>> Can somebody post the four pics from the thread here for those of us
>> who don't want to sign up for yet another web message board?  :)

Yeah - git the pics for us and let us see the monster, puleez.
mao

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[MBZ] cv boots

I also noticed today that the rubber boots on the rear axle are looking
dry and have surface cracking.  I don't think any of the cracks are all
the way through yet, I don't see any grease coming through.

I've replaced CV boots on a front wheel drive car, is there anything
significantly different about doing them on W123 rear axles?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

I told him he would not be using vehicles but SWMBA is a soft headed  
fool.  Told him that he would need to work on Gump to be able to have  
car access.  Not going to get lucky in the back seat of walking to prom.


This summer he was doing summer classes and I would tote his but to  
school and he had to ride his bike home.  Bus is standard transport  
for him.  Will not be able to drive to school until next year with  
graduated license anyway.


clay

I am sure the Corps will allow him to use a HMMV

On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Oldest boy, (lazy turd) finally got his license and is now able to  
drive.


Interesting, hmm?  How about LT gets to walk, unless
he does a little front-end work on what he'll also need
to learn to drive a little bit?  But I'm kind of a
hard-ass on some things.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] grrr. siezed caliper

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> Check the brake hoses first, might be swelled shut

Hoses and calipers are less than 2 years old.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] grrr. siezed caliper

2009-08-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


Check the brake hoses first, might be swelled shut

Allan Streib wrote:

Well I thought I'd have a quick job of changing my brake pads this
afternoon.  On the passenger rear brake the inboard piston is siezed in
the caliper.

So just to get this done before Monday, I'm tempted to try AutoZone or
Pep Boys tomorrow to see if they have one.  The one on there now is one
I ordered from Rusty, and it lasted less than two years so I'm sorta
thinking a rebuilt caliper is a rebuilt caliper, does it matter much
where I get it?

Allan
  


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[MBZ] OT: MBCA Membership cost

2009-08-29 Thread Max Dillon

Dwight,

Catching up on digest so this may already have been answered, but a one year 
membership is $45, two and three year memberships are discounted slightly.  On 
some stuff my dealer gives me about the same prices as Rusty, on some their 
price is not as nice.  The advantage is that I can walk into the dealer and 
pick up some stuff 'in stock' vice waiting three or four days for a Rusty 
shipment, plus no shipping cost but I do pay taxes.

The folks that this really pays off for are those who get all their work done 
at the dealer; they get a very nice discount on the parts (but not the labor) 
and the membership quickly pays for itself.  Fellow at work bought a membership 
at my suggestion, and when his wife's next service was done he saved about 4x 
the cost of the membership.  I doubt he'll ever go to an event as he's a 
private pilot and a ham radio junky and has numerous grand kids to spoil, but 
he'll probably be a member as long as his wife owns the car.

Max

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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:20:38 -0400
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA
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Max,
How much is MBCA membership? Don't some dealers offer MBCA discounts on
parts, etc?
Thanks
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI
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Re: [MBZ] grrr. siezed caliper

Depends on why it's stuck.  If the piston is cocked in the bore, you  
can usually persuade it to  come out, then you need a rebuild kit.


Otherwise, yeah, they are all pretty much the same.

Change the rotor -- I suspect the piston is stuck because the rotor  
is too thin and the backing plate on the pad will contact the anti- 
rattle spring on the top.  This forces the piston to cock in the  
bore, drag, and roast the rubber parts.


Peter

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[MBZ] New W115 in the family - pass out the cigar lighters

2009-08-29 Thread David Bruckmann

Hello gang,

Just took in another stray. A tidy but unloved W115 220 (M115 gas) with manual 
transmission and NO accessories. Original paint, perfect interior. Found it at 
the Pick'n'Pull via Craigslist. This is the car that I posted about earlier; 
the LAST thing I needed was another car, but since nobody claimed it and it was 
headed for the crusher, I couldn't resist...

Will keep all posted.

D.

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[MBZ] diff leaking

While I had my head under the car today working on brakes, I noticed
that there's oil leaking out of the diff where the axle joins it.  Is
there a seal there that's replaceable?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

W116, W123, and W126 ball joints are a REAL PITA.  My brother finally  
made a tool, without which we have ruined a couple pair.  It's a LOT  
more than $20 to have someone put a pair in, the factory tool is $1200.


Not fun.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] B2 band?

2009-08-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


no

Redghost wrote:

Car does not want to shift into reverse.  That is a B2 band thing?

Looking at a 95 s500

clay


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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

2009-08-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


1700 to rebuild the front end?  That seems a little high

Redghost wrote:
SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's 
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.


This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?  
What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be worth 
with all her parts and a wonky front end?


I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights, 
new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much 
more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the 
rest.


Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt 
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?


SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets 
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the 
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.


Opinions please






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] Older

CD spec is about mid 80's -- it's been CH or CI for quite a while  
now.  I believe the owner's manual for my 87 calls for CD or better  
rated oils.


Peter

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[MBZ] grrr. siezed caliper

Well I thought I'd have a quick job of changing my brake pads this
afternoon.  On the passenger rear brake the inboard piston is siezed in
the caliper.

So just to get this done before Monday, I'm tempted to try AutoZone or
Pep Boys tomorrow to see if they have one.  The one on there now is one
I ordered from Rusty, and it lasted less than two years so I'm sorta
thinking a rebuilt caliper is a rebuilt caliper, does it matter much
where I get it?

Allan
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1983 300D

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[MBZ] If she hasn't yet, she will.

2009-08-29 Thread Michael Esh

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

2009-08-29 Thread Kevin

Except suspension is easy. Bang out old, install new, get aligned.

Hardest part about suspension work is getting ball joints out. If that's
a problem, unbolt the thing with the ball joint and pay a shop $20 or so to
swap the joint. You have to align it anyway.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 02:54:44PM -0700, Redghost wrote:
> Myself, not bold enough to tackle the work.  Every time I tackle a big  
> job, I seem to hit a snag that results in needing to tow Gump to the  
> shop to unbugger the mess I made.  Witness the transmission, water  
> pump, glow plugs, engine and trans mounts.  After my ham handed work,  
> she no longer allows me to do work that disables the car.

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Re: [MBZ] Older

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> My great uncles still farmed when I was little, there was this one
> French Canadian guy that drove a potato truck for them and had terrible
> trouble with oil consumption on his pickup. One time Uncle Pat asked "do
> you ever check the oil in that truck?" "Yessir" the man replied "I keeps
> it filled right to de top!"
> 
> The guy was going through GALLONS of oil trying to keep it full... One
> of those stories I wouldn't believe if I hadn't been there and seen the
> look on the men's faces when they took the oil cap off. I didn't really
> understand at the time...

Wow!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston

2009-08-29 Thread Mountain Man

Curt wrote:
>She was very odd but one of her friends could suck the proverbial golf ball 
>through 50 feet of garden hose...
>

You leave us with questions.
How would you know this bit about her?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Latest Project - NOT MB

Actually, these games post date that type of insulation.  The wires have what I 
understand to be a cloth covered woven insulation, which, while not ideal, 
holds up fairly well over time as long as it doesn't get wet.

The worst thing that happens to these machines is lack of use.  My Gottlieb 
single player machine is a perfect example of that...

While it did have some minor electrical and mechanical issues when I got it, I 
fixed the mission critical items and left the rest alone.  Then I encouraged 
everyone to play it as often as possible.  Within a week the majority of the 
functions were working as intended.

This is a perfect example of what I used to refer to as "basement machines" - 
the family pinball machine that was abandoned in the basement and left to sit 
unused.  When someone finally did turn it on and try to play it, things were 
all wonky.  I would get a call about repairing it, and pretty much tossed up my 
hands or offered to take it off their hands.

Most of these that I can recall would "come back to life" after some aggressive 
playing for several days or a week.

Dan

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Craig McCluskey  wrote:

> From: Craig McCluskey 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Latest Project - NOT MB
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 8:29 PM
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:43:52 -0700
> (PDT) LWB250 
> wrote:
> 
> > 1968, to be exact.
> > 
> > http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?gid=704
> > 
> > Williams did not build a lot of single player games
> like Gottlieb, so
> > it's fairly rare even with the production numbers it
> had.
> > 
> > Most single player EM (electromechanical) games only
> went to .
> 
> Lots of old-time electro-mechanical stuff. And, from the
> looks of it, some
> cracking varnished-cambric insulation.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston

Is it really that small? It is a goofy place though. I dated (for a short time) 
a girl that was going there. She was very odd but one of her friends could suck 
the proverbial golf ball through 50 feet of garden hose...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:24:34 -0700
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yeah, yeah, I know...

It is another Wheaton in Norton, MA.  Goofy looking place that really  
needs an update.  Only 650 kids attending.

clay

On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:48:52 -0700 Redghost   
> wrote:
>
>> Lots of the small colleges are running at $50k.  Amherst, Holy Cross,
>> Tufts, Bowdion, Colby, middlebury, Providence, Brown, Renselear,
>> Wheaton,
>
> As in Wheaton, Illinois? Or some other place?
>
>
> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Older

How old is the CD spec? How long has it been since Detroit made a 2 stroke 
diesel?

How old is that documentation?

-Curt

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:08:59 -0500
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The document state "multiviscosity oils are not recommended".  It  
does NOT mention synthetic oils by name or type, which is why I would  
like to see the data (tables) not included.  It does state that any  
oil meeting the listed SE/CD rating is adequate for use.  This would  
presumably include CH-4 and CI rated oils..  One oil change (of  
normal durration, not the 100,000 50 gal over the road truck engine  
application) should tell you if you are getting adequate engine  
protection and acceptable oil consumption.

I would not disagree that many multi-viscosity oils are inferior in  
high heat applications to single viscosity oils, but that is purely a  
matter of formulation, and modern multi-viscosity oils are much  
better than they were a few years ago.  I would assume that is true  
for single weight oils, but I don't know -- the market for single  
weight oils is quite small.

It also clearly states that any oil not on the list should be tested  
regularly for wear and degradation and may be good (or not),  
including any oils single viscosity oils NOT ON THE LIST.

There is a huge difference between adding a viscosity extender to a  
single weight dino oil and the extended viscosity characteristics of  
synthetic base oil.

MB does not recommend any 10-W40 oil, including Mobil 1, but does  
recommend the use of  15W50 and 5W40 Mobil 1, last time I looked, for  
the OM603.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

Appeased?

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:02:58 -0400
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She Who Must Be Admired??  Adored?



  
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Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges

Ohmygod...

The first time I read Dan's post I saw "Fran Liebowitz". Then when I saw 
Andrew's reply I got thinking "He should have written Fawn Liebowitz". Then I 
read the orignal post again...

"Do you mind if we dance with your dates?"

When I was in college there was a girl that was a "house groupie" for the 
townhouse I lived in. I actually can't remember her name as we only ever called 
her Fawn. In retrospect it seems odd to have had a groupie but Fawn was an odd 
girl... Nobody ever let her into the apartment but she was always there. 
Sometimes you'd wake up in the morning and there she was, snuggled up but as 
far as I know nobody ever had sex with her, I certainly didn't.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:52:57 -0400
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??

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM, LWB250  wrote:

> Fawn Liebowitz?
>
> Dan (7 years of college down the drain!)

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Re: [MBZ] Older

My great uncles still farmed when I was little, there was this one French 
Canadian guy that drove a potato truck for them and had terrible trouble with 
oil consumption on his pickup. One time Uncle Pat asked "do you ever check the 
oil in that truck?" "Yessir" the man replied "I keeps it filled right to de 
top!"

The guy was going through GALLONS of oil trying to keep it full... One of those 
stories I wouldn't believe if I hadn't been there and seen the look on the 
men's faces when they took the oil cap off. I didn't really understand at the 
time...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:30:39 -0500
From: Peter Frederick 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Older
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Turns out the oil man had only changed the oil once in 50,000 miles  
or so -- and that was the factory 200 mile service.  He just added  
non-detergent oil to keep it full and drove it..

Peter


  
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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

How about $200 a month for 9 months? Its usually the lump sum they complain 
about...
How much would she be spending on a new ride in payments? People tend to never 
think of that.

I'm such a New Englander. Our conversation would end with "its my dammed car 
and I'll spend on it what I please." which works well considering I'm the 
primary breadwinner in our house.

Which reminds me I need to go finish installing the trim around the new stereo 
in Dory. Don't tell my wife but the old one hadn't actually failed, the plug 
had come off the blasted fader thing in the console (again!). I was fooled 
because the PO had direct wired the left front speaker leading me to believe 
the entire right channel was dead.
I direct wired the other front speaker in process of figuring it out which 
gives me 4 discrete channels. This unit supports USB playback so 4 channels 
might be fun to play with.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:31:09 -0700
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Subject: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?
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SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's  
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.

This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?   
What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be worth  
with all her parts and a wonky front end?

I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights,  
new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much  
more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the  
rest.

Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt  
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?

SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets  
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the  
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.

Opinions please






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


  
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Re: [MBZ] Latest Project - NOT MB

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:43:52 -0700 (PDT) LWB250  wrote:

> 1968, to be exact.
> 
> http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?gid=704
> 
> Williams did not build a lot of single player games like Gottlieb, so
> it's fairly rare even with the production numbers it had.
> 
> Most single player EM (electromechanical) games only went to .

Lots of old-time electro-mechanical stuff. And, from the looks of it, some
cracking varnished-cambric insulation.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?


Interesting, hmm?  How about LT gets to walk, unless
he does a little front-end work on what he'll also need
to learn to drive a little bit?


If that won't fly, how about an alternative?  Pick
your repair person, and offer him the services of
Toby in exchange for the labor, you buy the parts.
'Apprentice' LT to him for however long seems right to
both of you, LT is not consulted on this.  Mop floors,
wash cars, fetch coffee, pick up dry cleaning (by bus!)
etc., whatever unskilled labor the Indy can use that
can be worked out.  Maybe even offer LT the choice of
these two fine alternatives, else enjoy that bus pass
that you bought with your paper route money!

This only works if 'or else' is real, else LT will
just L his T-ly way along.  But if it works, perhaps
it provides a little extra motivation to do well in
school?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

Oldest boy, (lazy turd) finally got his license and is now able to 
drive.


Interesting, hmm?  How about LT gets to walk, unless
he does a little front-end work on what he'll also need
to learn to drive a little bit?  But I'm kind of a
hard-ass on some things.

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Re: [MBZ] Latest Project - NOT MB

1968, to be exact.

http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?gid=704

Williams did not build a lot of single player games like Gottlieb, so it's 
fairly rare even with the production numbers it had.

Most single player EM (electromechanical) games only went to .

Dan

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> From: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Latest Project - NOT MB
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 7:09 PM
> LWB250 wrote:
> > Just posted some pics of my latest project - a
> Williams "Doozie" pinball machine.
> > 
> > http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100109
> 
> Single player with a four digit scoreboard?
> How old is that thing, 50's? 60's?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Latest Project - NOT MB

2009-08-29 Thread Mitch Haley


LWB250 wrote:

Just posted some pics of my latest project - a Williams "Doozie" pinball 
machine.

http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100109


Single player with a four digit scoreboard?
How old is that thing, 50's? 60's?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Latest Project - NOT MB

Just posted some pics of my latest project - a Williams "Doozie" pinball 
machine.

http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100109

This poor thing lived in a basement for who knows how many years with no glass 
and lots of crap stacked on top of it.  I got it from the guy for next to 
nothing, but I've also got a *lot* of work ahead of me...like stripping the 
playfield of the "home repair" that some idiot did with varnish or some sort of 
clear finish.

What I didn't realize was that they had done the same to the outside of the 
cabinet... I thought the orangish tinge was the typical "spent lots of hours in 
a smoky bar" patina.  If you look at the lower front right side of the cabinet 
you can see where I worked on this to see if it would come off - and the 
original color of the cabinet.

Want to know what takes this off?  Magic Eraser soaked with alcohol.  And a lot 
of elbow grease.

Dan


  

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Re: [MBZ] Older

2009-08-29 Thread Mitch Haley


Peter Frederick wrote:

It would have been nice to SEE those tables, and what oils were compared.


Am I correct in assuming the document in question is a 1985 Army manual?

I wonder if they are worried about 15W40 wearing out the viscosity extenders and 
turning into 15W in some applications.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:04:09 -0700 Redghost  wrote:

> Campus is a mash up of a few older buildings that span all periods of  
> the schools history.  Sad thing is that most of them have not been  
> updated past that worn out 1971 high school remodel.

Ah ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston

Campus is a mash up of a few older buildings that span all periods of  
the schools history.  Sad thing is that most of them have not been  
updated past that worn out 1971 high school remodel.


clay

On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:24:34 -0700 Redghost   
wrote:



yeah, yeah, I know...

It is another Wheaton in Norton, MA.  Goofy looking place that really
needs an update.  Only 650 kids attending.


I looked on their webpage. Though there are not too many pictures  
readily

available, it doesn't look too goofy. The proposed science center does
look out of character with the rest of the campus, though.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?


SWMBA

but the newer models seem to have a bit too much plastic

On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:55 PM, WILTON wrote:


"What would I replace her with?"  Gump or SWMBA?   ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Redghost" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?


SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's   
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.
This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her  
with?   What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would  
she be worth  with all her parts and a wonky front end?
I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro  
lights,  new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and  
more.  Much  more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a  
van to haul the  rest.
Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a  
rebuilt  engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C  
series?
SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets   
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the   
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.

Opinions please
 


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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

She has been on the get rid of a car warpath for a few years.Her  
car is not bad at all.  The rolling crap I drive makes her nuts. When  
her car has to visit the car doctor, she has to drive my stuff.  Will  
not even attempt to drive Gump.  Left with a 17 year old previa that  
smells of kid vomit.  I just haul construction stuff or car parts in  
it.  Occasional field trip, but I have not been invited in few years  
for that duty.


Oldest boy, (lazy turd) finally got his license and is now able to  
drive.  My theory was he would drive Gump.  Pansy can not manual  
shift.  Slow enough to keep him legal and built like a tank.  Simple  
parts to keep fixed and education on car care that will serve him in  
future.  Insurance is nothing.


Myself, not bold enough to tackle the work.  Every time I tackle a big  
job, I seem to hit a snag that results in needing to tow Gump to the  
shop to unbugger the mess I made.  Witness the transmission, water  
pump, glow plugs, engine and trans mounts.  After my ham handed work,  
she no longer allows me to do work that disables the car.




On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's  
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.


Perhaps, and NO!  But I'm biased.  Gump is a perfectly
classy and odd little ride.  Have you considered doing
this stuff yourself?  I was scared of that sort of thing
initially, but the parts are cheap enough that I tackled
several ball joints now, which has made me bold.

Or keep asking around.  Painting cars is not cheap, for example,
but the $300 I had put into Ethelred has had an _amazing_ effect.
Finding the $300 guy was the hard part.  (See:
http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2/SL2ntp3.jpg)

I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro  
lights, new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and  
more.  Much more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a  
van to haul the rest.


So why change?  If you _like_ the car, keep it going.
You've put a lot of work into it, you will get near
zero ROI on all that, versus the continued enjoyment
of driving it.

Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt  
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?


Yawn.

SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets  
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the  
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.


Is the hidden agenda that she's tired of the E, and she sees
this as a way to off it and not end up with 'too many' cars?
That's the sort of thing my wife might do.


She Who Must Be Admired??  Adored?


She Who [Also] Must Be Annoyed.  SWMBA is my wife,
SWAMBA is Clay's!  (No, these are not directives to
us, merely observations by.)

-- Jim
 


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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?


annoyed, amused, assaulted


On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:02 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


She Who Must Be Admired??  Adored?

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Kevin  wrote:

Remind her what happened last time you tried to replace Gump? The  
300SDL?

Or am I remembering things out of order?

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:31:09AM -0700, Redghost wrote:

SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.

This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?
What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be  
worth

with all her parts and a wonky front end?

I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights,
new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much
more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the
rest.

Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?

SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet  
metal.


Opinions please


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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

A bit out of order.  Went for the SDL, which I still lust after that  
model.  Got her to look at a 91 SDL, but it was too large, so she  
tried the silly E300D and purchased that.  I got conned into bidding  
on Gump by Kaleb.  He did it as payback for taking the POS SDL off my  
hands.


Five years on I am still racking up parts for a full rebuild of Gump  
to almost #2 quality.


clay

On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Kevin wrote:

Remind her what happened last time you tried to replace Gump? The  
300SDL?

Or am I remembering things out of order?

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:31:09AM -0700, Redghost wrote:

SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.

This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?
What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be  
worth

with all her parts and a wonky front end?

I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights,
new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much
more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the
rest.

Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?

SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.

Opinions please


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Re: [MBZ] sludge

Yup, Northrup.  The crash ended up being used as an excuse for the  
cancellation of the project, in spite of considerable discussion of  
whether or not it was deliberate substitution of the oil.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] sludge

2009-08-29 Thread WILTON


Northrop

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sludge


The flying wing (Chance-Vought?  I don't remember the manufacturer   
now) was probably late 40,s not 50's.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:24:34 -0700 Redghost  wrote:

> yeah, yeah, I know...
> 
> It is another Wheaton in Norton, MA.  Goofy looking place that really  
> needs an update.  Only 650 kids attending.

I looked on their webpage. Though there are not too many pictures readily
available, it doesn't look too goofy. The proposed science center does
look out of character with the rest of the campus, though.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston

Ages ago I did my time all cash.  With SWMBA getting through law  
school, twenty years ago, ended up with $18k in loans and the rest was  
cash.  Tuition at that time was $14k/yr


clay


On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:55 AM, LWB250 wrote:

I had direct knowledge of the forgiveness program for teachers, and  
I can tell you that it sucks.  You have to work 5 continuous years  
in a particular area of teaching, such as science or special ed.,  
and when it's all said and done you get a $17,000 credit against  
your loans.  If you fail to work continuously in the area(s) that  
qualify you for forgiveness, the clock starts over.


What I took exception to is when I was finishing up my education  
degree the college and school systems pitched this really hard,  
which I think is an ethical issue, as the odds are against you in my  
opinion.  Dangling a carrot like this in front of a bunch of tapped  
out 4th year college students with +$40k loans hanging over their  
heads is just wrong, IMHO.


In my cohort of 15 people, I only know of two who are even close to  
qualifying for this.  And they both still have 3 years to go to  
qualify.


I am pleased that Sallie Mae closed the loophole that allowed people  
to default on student loans, however.  Too many doctors and lawyers  
(present company excepted, of course) bailed on the system and left  
us taxpayers to settle their debts.


Dan (with a fairly good sized Stafford loan that should be paid off  
around the time I retire.


--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Donald Snook  wrote:


From: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston
To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:07 AM
Wonko wrote: "$50K?  I sure hope
that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight
teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only
$35K, with lots of financial assistance."

I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school
and took the bar exam.  Most of that was for Law
school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad.
AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law
school.  The cost of education (especially any kind of
graduate school) is getting out of control.

Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan
Law School (one of the best in the country). After
scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed
$15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year).
In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per
year.  So, I would have to borrow that much just to
cover tuition and have nothing to live on.

Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My
student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is
consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan).  I
have friends who went to medical school who have $200,000 in
student loans.   Even the new public service
program for forgiveness of student loan debts requires years
and years of payments.  I don't have an answer, but I
know it's a problem.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] College Tuition was Back from Boston


Thanks Dan,

did the webpage of how stupid you are to make that much cash and the  
pain it will incur to educate the kid.  Looks like we are going to be  
doing the full fee route.  I think we filled it out wrong.


clay





On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Dan Weeks wrote:



On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:


Lots of the small colleges are running at $50k.  Amherst, Holy Cross,
Tufts, Bowdion, Colby, middlebury, Providence, Brown, Renselear,
Wheaton, Bennington, and a few more that we just crossed off the list
and are gone from my mind

clay


Clay--unless you're filthy rich, don't cross 'em off. I'm an  
admissions officer for a very selective, very expensive small  
private college. $46k a year. The only folks who pay that much can  
easily afford it--88% of students are on some form of financial aid,  
and we cap loans--last year, the cap was $2k a year. THe rest are  
mostly grants, etc. There are students who attend my college for  
less than it would cost them to attend the state university WITH in- 
state tuition and a fair amount of financial aid there.


In general, the higher the price tag and the more prestige, the  
better the financial aid. Don't rule 'em out if your kid is really  
interested.


Dan


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Re: [MBZ] electric cars - was Cash for clunkers hits home

A Tesla drove past me yesterday.  Somebody in the neighborhood has too  
much free cash



clay

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:19:05 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:


How many kJ in a 100 volt, 1 farad capacitor?


U = 0.5 C V^2

= 0.5 x 1 x 100^2

= 5000 J = 5 kJ


 


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Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston


yeah, yeah, I know...

It is another Wheaton in Norton, MA.  Goofy looking place that really  
needs an update.  Only 650 kids attending.


clay

On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:48:52 -0700 Redghost   
wrote:



Lots of the small colleges are running at $50k.  Amherst, Holy Cross,
Tufts, Bowdion, Colby, middlebury, Providence, Brown, Renselear,
Wheaton,


As in Wheaton, Illinois? Or some other place?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] sludge

The flying wing (Chance-Vought?  I don't remember the manufacturer   
now) was probably late 40,s not 50's.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Older

The document state "multiviscosity oils are not recommended".  It  
does NOT mention synthetic oils by name or type, which is why I would  
like to see the data (tables) not included.  It does state that any  
oil meeting the listed SE/CD rating is adequate for use.  This would  
presumably include CH-4 and CI rated oils..  One oil change (of  
normal durration, not the 100,000 50 gal over the road truck engine  
application) should tell you if you are getting adequate engine  
protection and acceptable oil consumption.


I would not disagree that many multi-viscosity oils are inferior in  
high heat applications to single viscosity oils, but that is purely a  
matter of formulation, and modern multi-viscosity oils are much  
better than they were a few years ago.  I would assume that is true  
for single weight oils, but I don't know -- the market for single  
weight oils is quite small.


It also clearly states that any oil not on the list should be tested  
regularly for wear and degradation and may be good (or not),  
including any oils single viscosity oils NOT ON THE LIST.


There is a huge difference between adding a viscosity extender to a  
single weight dino oil and the extended viscosity characteristics of  
synthetic base oil.


MB does not recommend any 10-W40 oil, including Mobil 1, but does  
recommend the use of  15W50 and 5W40 Mobil 1, last time I looked, for  
the OM603.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

If we listened to women then there would be no classic cars on the road. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

Show her a picture of my wrecked car and reminder her that the econoboxes would 
be flattened completely.  All it takes is one drunk or distracted driver..

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] sludge

Amsoil is NOT non-detergent dino oil, it's basically jet engine oil  
re-packaged.  Supposed to have the same base as older formulations of  
Mobil 1.  The "inventor" was a jet engine maintenance guy in the USAF  
and recognized the great superiority of synthetic oils and a  
marketing opportunity.  In fact, to illuminate the difference, I  
believe the crash of the "flying wing" in the late 50's turned out to  
be substitution of regular engine oil for the then exotic synthetic  
oil required for the engines.  Carboned up the bearings in the  
engines, causing one to explode suddenly and down she came.


You can use ANY oil for extended service IF you change filters  
regularly (3000 to 5000 miles, depending on what you find in them  
when you change them) AND do oil analysis to determine wear and  
degradation of the oil so you can replace the oil when critical  
characteristics are inadequate.  Needless to say, synthetics have a  
much more uniform and stable base oil, so they last longer under  
extended service IF the particulates and acid collection are not a  
problem.  For diesel use, soot accumulation is usually the worst  
problem, and even the 61x series of MB diesels do not always benefit  
from the use of synthetic oils for this reason.  If you have to  
change the oil at 4000 miles due to soot accumulation, you gain no  
benefit from using synthetic except easier cold weather starts.  On  
the 60x engines, soot accumulation is much less of a problem.


Amsoil is as good (or better) than Mobil 1, it's just too expensive  
for regular use.  If it's still around, I've not seen ads for a very  
long time now.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

2009-08-29 Thread WILTON

"What would I replace her with?"  Gump or SWMBA?   ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Redghost" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's  
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.

This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?   
What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be worth  
with all her parts and a wonky front end?

I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights,  
new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much  
more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the  
rest.

Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt  
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?

SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets  
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the  
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.

Opinions please

--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

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Re: [MBZ] Older

2009-08-29 Thread WILTON

Squeeze/collect enough of that grape, grapefruit, etc., oil and you can run 
your Diesels on it.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Older



Sound like a food network discussion. An edible clarinet.

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:09 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Older


I presume that's "grape seed" oil.  Does the rosemary extract
prevent the vegetable oils from going rancid?


Yes, and one hopes so.  (Also the bitter grapefruit seed extract.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Older

It would have been nice to SEE those tables, and what oils were  
compared.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Older

2009-08-29 Thread Peter T. Arnold




Peter Frederick wrote:
I read the document about oil for Detroit 2-strokes.  Sounds like 
Mobil 1 would be fine (although not recommended)
Holy crap, read this slowly!  Mobile1 is NOT RECOMMENDED and that 
*SOUNDS TO YOU* like it would be fine.


I can't argue with that.


--
Pete Arnold 32°

"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

My opinion is don't get rid of gump. If you buy another used car you can expect 
to pay around that much on repairs, overdue maintenance etc in a very short 
period.  Front end work is basically maintenance as far as I'm concerned.  
Besides Gump is a classic which cannot be replaced with a later model.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Redghost  wrote:

SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's front end is 
a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.

This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?  What to do 
with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be worth with all her parts 
and a wonky front end?

I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights, new brake 
set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much more.  I could fill 
Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the rest.

Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt engine to 
install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?

SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets some rolling 
piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the econobox boring rides.  Like 
a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.

Opinions please






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] sludge

2009-08-29 Thread RELNGSON

> ...Turns out the oil man had only changed the oil once in 50,000 miles 
> or so -- and that was the factory 200 mile service.  He just added 
> non-detergent oil to keep it full and drove it..
> 
Isn't that the mantra preached by those Amsoil people? Automotive Christian 
Science.

RLE
> 
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[MBZ] Older

2009-08-29 Thread Peter T. Arnold




Peter Frederick wrote:
The explanation I heard for using single weight oils in air cooled 
engines 

*I used 10-30 on all my VW Beatles, no harm*
(and I presume 2-stroke diesels as well) 


*I would not presume, I prefer S.A.E. Data*
is that they run quite hot in comparison to liquid cooled engines, and 
the single weight oil is less subject to viscosity loss at that neat 
level.  Lower viscosity means much higher oil consumption.  
*Most modern gas engines are designed for 5-30, heavier oil will 
increase parasitic drag, reduce mileage and put you warentee to risk. My 
HHR goes 10,000 miles on a quart, good for me...*
Non detergent oil means less foaming, also  a concern with a splash 
lubed engine.


However, I use 15W50 M1 in my lawn mowers -- they use less oil since 
the viscosity at operating temp is somewhat higher than straight 30 
weight so long as the viscosity package and the base oil hold up (and 
with Mobil 1 this is not a problem).


Dino oils with viscosity extenders will probably go thin at high temp, 
and given the applications, I would expect trouble due to thin oil/low 
oil pressure and excessive consumption.


Synthetics are a different animal, but I would still follow 
manufacturers CURRENT recommendations, not those from 1955


*Detroit Allison has always specified 40wt for it's 2 cycle diesel 
engines used in normal conditions*


--

Pete Arnold

When you get older, you don't regret the things you did in life.

You regret the things you didn't do.



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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's 
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.


Perhaps, and NO!  But I'm biased.  Gump is a perfectly
classy and odd little ride.  Have you considered doing
this stuff yourself?  I was scared of that sort of thing
initially, but the parts are cheap enough that I tackled
several ball joints now, which has made me bold.

Or keep asking around.  Painting cars is not cheap, for example,
but the $300 I had put into Ethelred has had an _amazing_ effect.
Finding the $300 guy was the hard part.  (See:
http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2/SL2ntp3.jpg)

I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights, 
new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much 
more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the 
rest.


So why change?  If you _like_ the car, keep it going.
You've put a lot of work into it, you will get near
zero ROI on all that, versus the continued enjoyment
of driving it.

Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt 
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?


Yawn.

SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets 
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the 
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.


Is the hidden agenda that she's tired of the E, and she sees
this as a way to off it and not end up with 'too many' cars?
That's the sort of thing my wife might do.


She Who Must Be Admired??  Adored?


She Who [Also] Must Be Annoyed.  SWMBA is my wife,
SWAMBA is Clay's!  (No, these are not directives to
us, merely observations by.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] MBCA

2009-08-29 Thread RELNGSON

> ...Or free with every purchase of a new Benz...
> 
No mention of that when I bought mine. 

But, MBUSA sent me an AMEX gift card for $1500 because of my MBCA 
membership. Bought some stuff for the car with it.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Older

2009-08-29 Thread Peter T. Arnold


What I read was "
Multigrade oils have not provided performance comparable to
Table L-4 shows the initial oil drain intervals for all Series 2-
SAE-40 or SAE-30 lubricants in some engine service
cycle engines used in the various service applications.
applications. Because of this experience, the use of 1 5W-40
and all other multigrade oils is not recommended "

Pete
Multigrade oils have not provided performance comparable to



Jim Cathey wrote:

So they said that in _some_ applications the 15W40
didn't work as well as the older straight-grade oils.
Never really said why, or what failure/wear was exhibited
nor what the offending applications were.

Still pretty thin, for those of us who want to
know the why of why.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] MBCA cost

2009-08-29 Thread RELNGSON

> ...How much is MBCA membership? Don't some dealers offer MBCA discounts 
> on parts, etc?..
> 
Membership is $45 per year. In Seattle, one dealer offers a 10% parts 
discount and the other doesn't. Adds up.

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Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges


Fawn Liebowitz?


See: Animal House.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

Sorry-yes there is a Minuteman section. I am actually closer to CT and
wonder where they would assign me to a section as I wouldn't want to pay
15.00 for second section. The CT section takes in part of NY.


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

That can't be correct - there is at least one:  the Minuteman Section

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr
wrote:

> OK-such a bargain. Actually I might join but I don't see any sections in
MA
> or RI so there would be no local activities for me.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD).
> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
> Wickford, RI
>
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Re: [MBZ] B2 band?

2009-08-29 Thread Thomas Savage


Redghost wrote:

Car does not want to shift into reverse.  That is a B2 band thing?

Looking at a 95 s500


B2 failure results in reverse only and no forward motion.  Run, don't 
walk, from a sick 140.  You really don't want to attempt the Gump bit on 
a CAN-bus car.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

She Who Must Be Admired??  Adored?

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Kevin  wrote:

> Remind her what happened last time you tried to replace Gump? The 300SDL?
> Or am I remembering things out of order?
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:31:09AM -0700, Redghost wrote:
> > SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's
> > front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.
> >
> > This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?
> > What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be worth
> > with all her parts and a wonky front end?
> >
> > I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights,
> > new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much
> > more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the
> > rest.
> >
> > Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt
> > engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?
> >
> > SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets
> > some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the
> > econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.
> >
> > Opinions please
>
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Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week

Hmm-he says it already had new glow plugs and injectors. 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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Subject: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1347065552.html

"All it needs is a shot of ether in the morning"

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Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

That can't be correct - there is at least one:  the Minuteman Section

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> OK-such a bargain. Actually I might join but I don't see any sections in MA
> or RI so there would be no local activities for me.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD).
> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
> Wickford, RI
>
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Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges

??

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM, LWB250  wrote:

> Fawn Liebowitz?
>
> Dan (7 years of college down the drain!)
>
> --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>
> > From: Dimitri Seretakis 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 1:29 PM
> > Yes, the family of Emily Lubin class
> > of 1995 paid for that.  We lived in the same dorm back
> > in the time. I was class of '94.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> >
> > And don't forget Bowdoin's splendid Lubin squash complex -
> > 9 courts in a
> > facility endowed by a gentleman with the same name as my
> > grandfather.  Makes
> > me proud just thinking about it.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  >wrote:
> >
> > Bowdoin is a fine school especially if you like outdoor
> > activities, cold
> > weather , lobster and super fine academics.  It
> > graduated both Hawthorne and
> > Longfellow to name a few.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Dan Weeks 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > Guidance staff figured the boy would fit well in these
> > schools.  He is
> > not interested in local schools or nice ones below 45
> > degrees
> > latitude.  Sun seems to be too much for him.  I
> > say University of St.
> > Petersburg or the Lenin school of larger schooling
> >
> > clay
> >
> > Bowdoin, Bates, WIlliams, Bennington are good choices of
> > northern schools
> > in New England, in the midwest, check out Macalester,
> > Carleton (MN), Kenyon,
> > Oberlin (OH) and Grinnell (IA). All superb schools.
> >
> > Dan
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

2009-08-29 Thread Kevin

Remind her what happened last time you tried to replace Gump? The 300SDL?
Or am I remembering things out of order?

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:31:09AM -0700, Redghost wrote:
> SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's  
> front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.
> 
> This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?   
> What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be worth  
> with all her parts and a wonky front end?
> 
> I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights,  
> new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much  
> more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the  
> rest.
> 
> Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt  
> engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?
> 
> SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets  
> some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the  
> econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.
> 
> Opinions please

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[MBZ] CL idiot of the week


http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1347065552.html

"All it needs is a shot of ether in the morning"

clay

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[MBZ] B2 band?


Car does not want to shift into reverse.  That is a B2 band thing?

Looking at a 95 s500

clay


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Re: [MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

Show her a picture of my wrecked car and reminder her that the  
econoboxes would be flattened completely.  All it takes is one drunk  
or distracted driver..


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Older

I read the document about oil for Detroit 2-strokes.  Sounds like  
Mobil 1 would be fine (although not recommended) IF you do oil  
analysis checking for wear.  Certainly, M1 15W50 is going to have  
better film strength and higher viscosity at running temp than 30  
weight oil, anyway, and has vastly better detergent power to keep the  
crud out of the ring grooves, etc.


The main drawback is going to be soot accumulation, as per usual, and  
the only cure for that is more frequent changes.  If the change  
frequency, as determined by TBN and soot accumulation, gets to less  
than twice that for dino oil, there is no advantage to using synthetic.


The only problem with using detergent oil in an engine with pressure  
feed lubrication (as opposed to splash lube) is that any accumulated  
varnish and sludge is going to be suspended, driven through the oil  
pump, and will clog the filter(s), leaving you with unfiltered, dirty  
oil in the bearings.  If the engine has been recently or newly  
rebuilt, there is absolutely no advantage to using non-detergent oil  
-- the crud belongs in the disposable filter and into the trash, not  
the bottom of the oil pan and other "dead" spots in the engine.


If you have an old engine with serious accumulations of sludge, I'd  
advise cleaning it up first before changing to detergent oil, for the  
above reasons.  Non-detergent oil will work fine until you tear it  
apart for some reason, but after that, there is absolutely NO reason  
to use non-detergent oils in any engine with an oil filter.


My favorite non-detergent oil story is supplied by my barber.  He got  
an early 70's Ford pickup from an old farmer for a pretty good price  
because it "smoked a little".  He got it home and tried to change the  
oil, since he knew the old man was a cheapskate and used the cheapest  
oil he could lay his hands on.  No go -- took the oil plug out, and  
nothing came out of the sump.  Had to drive a large screwdriver about  
4" in to break up the hard sludge enough to get the oil to drain, so  
he dropped the pan and removed the oil filter.  Filter weighed about  
3 lbs -- when they cut it open, it was packed with solid sludge.  The  
oil pan was filled with sludge with just a small clear area around  
the oil pickup, and they ended up just rebuilding the engine rather  
than trying to clear it out -- heads were full of crud too.


Turns out the oil man had only changed the oil once in 50,000 miles  
or so -- and that was the factory 200 mile service.  He just added  
non-detergent oil to keep it full and drove it..


Peter

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[MBZ] Get rid of Gump?

SWMBA is of the opinion that spending $1700 +tax to rebuild Gump's  
front end is a waste and a newer vehicle should be procured.


This bedevils me.  I am befuddled.  What would I replace her with?   
What to do with Gump and all her spare parts?  What would she be worth  
with all her parts and a wonky front end?


I have spare doors, windscreen, lights (front and back) euro lights,  
new brake set (rotor and pads) chrome trim, relays, and more.  Much  
more.  I could fill Gump with parts and still need a van to haul the  
rest.


Should I consider a 94 w140 vergasser?  A solid w126 with a rebuilt  
engine to install?  One of the ubiquitous late 90's C series?


SWMBA is thinking I dump Gump, end up in the 95 E300D and she gets  
some rolling piece of shite.  Not really a turd, but one of the  
econobox boring rides.  Like a hyundai or other waste of sheet metal.


Opinions please






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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[MBZ] Dodging a bullet (again).

It's been a couple of interesting days here again -- called my parts  
supplier (retired MB mechanic) to get parts, this time bolt kits for  
the rear links on the 300D and a few other bits.  So he says, "what  
about your brother's engine?"  I say "what about it, which engine?".


Seems he got a visit from Sam (my brother) about his SDL having now  
oil pressure.


Wife cracked the oil pan on a railroad crossing, all the oil drained  
out all over the road (slowly, I presume), and the car started  
shifting very badly.  Tranny rebuilt a couple months ago, should be  
prefect, but Sam went up to his mother in law's and drove it to see  
what was going on, looked at the dash (as pre usual) and saw zero oil  
pressure.


He had visions of a dead 603 from oil starvation, and a couple weeks  
hard work getting the engine out of my smashed 300D and  
transmorgrified into the SDL application, including a new head.


Hans' advice was to JB weld the oil pan and fill it with cheap oil  
and see how it ran before getting all torqued up, so Sam did that  
last night.


Today, it runs perfectly -- no noise, excellent oil pressure, turbo  
spins up, etc.  Still shifts weird, so I told him to replace all the  
rubber bits in the vacuum control system and check the tranny fluid  
in case it has a tranny leak (unlikely, no puddle of tranny juice).


Second time we've dodged a rebuild on that car -- first time Sam got  
the seal for the chain tensioner crimped after a chain replacement,  
that was a mess, 8 qts of dirty oil sprayed all over the engine  
compartment!  No damage though, since his wife stopped before the oil  
pressure went to zero.


Just goes to show that synthetic oil, even as foam with next to no  
pressure, does it's job so long as you don't get crazy.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Older

Sound like a food network discussion. An edible clarinet.

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:09 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Older

> I presume that's "grape seed" oil.  Does the rosemary extract
> prevent the vegetable oils from going rancid?

Yes, and one hopes so.  (Also the bitter grapefruit seed extract.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

OK-such a bargain. Actually I might join but I don't see any sections in MA
or RI so there would be no local activities for me. 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

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On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA

Or free with every purchase of a new Benz...

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:

> $47 p.a.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr
wrote:
>
>> Max,
>> How much is MBCA membership? Don't some dealers offer MBCA discounts on
>> parts, etc?
>> Thanks
>> Dwight
>>
>> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
>> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
>> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD).
>> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
>> Wickford, RI-Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:04 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA
>>
>> I don't think it would kill any of you to invent a screen name and
>> password so you can access the MB Club of America website (unless I'm
>> missing something here?).
>>
>> Regardless, attached are three of the pics.
>>
>> When you decide to join MBCA, please reference my membership number
>> (D008916) so that I get another month of free membership!
>>
>> Max
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:00 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA
>>
>> Wonko wrote:
>> > MBCA ransom ... I won't pay it.
>>
>> Alex wrote:
>> >> Can somebody post the four pics from the thread here for those of us
>> >> who don't want to sign up for yet another web message board?  :)
>>
>> Yeah - git the pics for us and let us see the monster, puleez.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Older


I presume that's "grape seed" oil.  Does the rosemary extract
prevent the vegetable oils from going rancid?


Yes, and one hopes so.  (Also the bitter grapefruit seed extract.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges

Fawn Liebowitz?

Dan (7 years of college down the drain!)

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

> From: Dimitri Seretakis 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 1:29 PM
> Yes, the family of Emily Lubin class
> of 1995 paid for that.  We lived in the same dorm back
> in the time. I was class of '94. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
> And don't forget Bowdoin's splendid Lubin squash complex -
> 9 courts in a
> facility endowed by a gentleman with the same name as my
> grandfather.  Makes
> me proud just thinking about it.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
> 
> Bowdoin is a fine school especially if you like outdoor
> activities, cold
> weather , lobster and super fine academics.  It
> graduated both Hawthorne and
> Longfellow to name a few.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Dan Weeks 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com
> wrote:
> 
> Guidance staff figured the boy would fit well in these
> schools.  He is
> not interested in local schools or nice ones below 45
> degrees
> latitude.  Sun seems to be too much for him.  I
> say University of St.
> Petersburg or the Lenin school of larger schooling
> 
> clay
> 
> Bowdoin, Bates, WIlliams, Bennington are good choices of
> northern schools
> in New England, in the midwest, check out Macalester,
> Carleton (MN), Kenyon,
> Oberlin (OH) and Grinnell (IA). All superb schools.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges

2009-08-29 Thread Bill R

If we are suggesting good small colleges, I'd suggest checking out Lynchburg
College in Lynchburg VA.  Very good facilities, very good faculty [at least
when I was there].  Because it is in the frozen Northland [which they would
hotly dispute] they have indoor as well as outdoor sports facilities.  The
control panel for the first nuclear powered ship was designed on campus:
good science school.  My ex-roomie got good prep to become a veterinarian,
and no complaints about my liberal arts education there either.  I was about
as ready for grad school as I could be.  Pretty highly rated school; very
good campus social life.
BillR 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges

Yes, the family of Emily Lubin class of 1995 paid for that.  We lived in the
same dorm back in the time. I was class of '94. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel 
wrote:

And don't forget Bowdoin's splendid Lubin squash complex - 9 courts in a
facility endowed by a gentleman with the same name as my grandfather.  Makes
me proud just thinking about it.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis
wrote:

Bowdoin is a fine school especially if you like outdoor activities, cold
weather , lobster and super fine academics.  It graduated both Hawthorne and
Longfellow to name a few.

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On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Dan Weeks  wrote:


On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:

Guidance staff figured the boy would fit well in these schools.  He is
not interested in local schools or nice ones below 45 degrees
latitude.  Sun seems to be too much for him.  I say University of St.
Petersburg or the Lenin school of larger schooling

clay

Bowdoin, Bates, WIlliams, Bennington are good choices of northern schools
in New England, in the midwest, check out Macalester, Carleton (MN), Kenyon,
Oberlin (OH) and Grinnell (IA). All superb schools.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Older

2009-08-29 Thread Fmiser

> Jim Cathey wrote:

> Speaking of oils, I'm oiling a clarinet body right now.
> Mixed up my own, grape oil with grapefruit seed extract
> and Rosemary extract for preservatives...

I presume that's "grape seed" oil.  Does the rosemary extract
prevent the vegetable oils from going rancid?

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Older

Interesting, a friend has a farmall cub I think that he bought a year ago and 
uses modern oil.  Every time he/we (I help him when I visit) it is all cloudy.  
That detergent oil must be breaking everything up.

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On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Well geez Pete, maybe because the newer oils are plain better than what was 
available 50 years ago...
I've been using 10w30 in my '52 Farmall Super M for almost 10 years now. It 
runs just as good now as it did 10 years ago. I was VERY careful when I started 
using detergent oil to only use a little detergent oil at first and change the 
oil more often so that as the crud broke up from the oil pan it wouldn't cause 
problems, and it didn't. This is a pretty common practice in the old tractor 
community and although my Uncle Reg said I was going to "destroy that tractor" 
he's been dead 6 years now and the tractor continues on...

You may not believe it but once in awhile is whippersnappers know a thing or 
two...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:14:50 -0400
From: "Peter T. Arnold" 
Subject: [MBZ] Older
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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I have no real data supporting my position.  Marshall, please chime in 
hear and tell Curt NOT TO USE A MULTIGRADE OIL IN A 2 CYCLE DETROIT.

That being said, if you use any oil that does not meet the manufactures 
spec, you own it when it blows up.  Why would you risk that?

F-250 has 2 big batteries and very good glow plug system {When the 
solenoid works}.


--

Pete Arnold

When you get older, you don't regret the things you did in life.

You regret the things you didn't do.



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Re: [MBZ] More Re; colleges

Yes, the family of Emily Lubin class of 1995 paid for that. We lived in the
same dorm back in the time. I was class of '94.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

And don't forget Bowdoin's splendid Lubin squash complex - 9 courts in a
facility endowed by a gentleman with the same name as my grandfather. Makes
me proud just thinking about it.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Bowdoin is a fine school especially if you like outdoor activities, cold
weather , lobster and super fine academics. It graduated both Hawthorne and
Longfellow to name a few.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Dan Weeks wrote:

On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:

Guidance staff figured the boy would fit well in these schools. He is
not interested in local schools or nice ones below 45 degrees
latitude. Sun seems to be too much for him. I say University of St.
Petersburg or the Lenin school of larger schooling

clay

Bowdoin, Bates, WIlliams, Bennington are good choices of northern schools
in New England, in the midwest, check out Macalester, Carleton (MN), Kenyon,
Oberlin (OH) and Grinnell (IA). All superb schools.

Dan

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