date:20090910

2009-09-10 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

I think I read he had some particular form of pancreatic cancer, 
somewhat rare.  I'll ask The Expert on such things, see what she says.  
I recall she was talking about this a few months ago, can't remember 
what she said.


--R

relng...@aol.com wrote:
..His story is very encouraging, a cancer survivor and transplant, I hope 
he continues to get better...



The fact that there was no mention of his Pancreatic cancer is odd. The 
tables say that 95% of those so diagnosed are gone in less than a year. Perhaps 
he is in the 5%,


RLE
  



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Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connection to internet

Finally had the time to solve this problem (intermittent internet
connection). I have a piece of SW called Process Explorer which is
like Task Manager on steroids, and I noticed that a lot of CPU cycles
were being used when the PC should have been mostly idle.  Process
Explorer pointed to the Symantec firewall/AV as the big user, so I
disabled the firewall and then tried surfing the net.  Hit a few safe
websites, didn't have a single problem. Turned the firewall back on and
the problem came back.

So, last night I uninstalled the firewall and installed a newer version
(provided gratis at work, DON policy which really makes sense) and
problem is solved.  Wife promptly started surfing for a new pair of
shoes.  Why did I fix this thing!??!

Max

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Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

2009-09-10 Thread winmutt

That is the fundamental problem with this scope. No grid. If you look at 
the pics you can see the vintage


-Rolf

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Can you measure the time between peaks?  Usually there is a grid on the
screen and the horizontal axis it time.  Hz equals cycles per second, so
if you can determine the time between peaks then some math will tell you
how many Hz you are measuring. 


Are you sure this is an oscilloscope and not some other device like a
signal generator?  More pix please of the whole front and all the
controls!

Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf Martin-Hoster
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

Seconds? Division? Thats fancy talk. When I mean antique I mean Korean? 
war. Here are some pics.


http://winmutt.com/images/scope/

I did think about using AC 60hz as a calibration.

Pretty sure the CRT on this thing will give you cancer if you stand
infront of it heh.

Thanks.

-Rolf

Jim Cathey wrote:
  
I need to figure out if I am generating a 140hz signal with an 
antique of a scope. Scope does not have any fancy setting like time.

It is a navy relic. How do I go about measuring the frequency? I have
  


  

a signal showing 3 cycles with 100hz sweep. Do I need a better scope?
  
Better is easier, but not absolutely necessary.  How do you know it's 
a 100Hz sweep?  But the completely uncalibrated sweeps are difficult 
to use for frequency.  Usually the sweep speeds are in steps, X 
seconds/division, and you just count the number of divisions and 
multiply/divide.  They're not uncalibrated.

But if it's an unmarked knob you'd only normally use that for waveform



  

quality.

140 Hz is very close to C#3 on a piano.  Compare it by ear?
Feed signal to a tuner?  (Cheap frequency counter.)  My Fluke DMM does



  

Hz on AC.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Monkey-Masked Speeding Driver in Phoenix

Rich wrote: When I was in college I was on my way to a Halloween party wearing
my
full Nixon outfit, rubber mask, Salvie Army old blue suit, white shirt,
tie, flag pin, the whole deal. Stopped at a traffic light by campus
next to a coupla cops in their car, who looked over, I gave them the
2-finger V with both hands.

That's a hilarious story! My wife went to a charity (fundraiser) Halloween
party three years ago at a huge community party. A few blocks away as we were
going home, I looked up ahead and there were cops everywhere. It was a DUI
checkpoint. We were dressed as Smurfs - totally covered in blue paint with the
white pants and Smurf hats. The cop looked at me when I got to the Checkpoint
and said, Hey Papa Smurf! Are you okay to get Smurfette home tonight? I said,
I have not been smurfing, so I should be okay! He waved us on through.

By the way, my wife and I are hosting a Halloween party this year at our house.
We expect about 50-75 people. We really want to decorate the house and make
it scary. I know this bunch is full of some very creative thinkers, so if you
have some creative, scary, and cheap ideas to decorate the house let me hear
them!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

2009-09-10 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... 
they are definitely fully retracted.

Allan
--
1983 300D

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers.  Stuck a large
 screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper.  After
 that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little
 tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and
 didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8
 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a
 crescent wrench.  It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get
 the pad in. Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

Doesn't make much sense that an O-scope can't measure freq.  I looked at
the pix and the only controls I see seem to be related to signal
generation, none of them seem to be for measuring.

Again, how do you know this is an O-scope?  Is there a name plate that
says something like Mark 5 Mod 0 Oscilloscope?

Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of winmutt
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:55 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

That is the fundamental problem with this scope. No grid. If you look at
the pics you can see the vintage

-Rolf

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
 Can you measure the time between peaks?  Usually there is a grid on 
 the screen and the horizontal axis it time.  Hz equals cycles per 
 second, so if you can determine the time between peaks then some math 
 will tell you how many Hz you are measuring.

 Are you sure this is an oscilloscope and not some other device like a 
 signal generator?  More pix please of the whole front and all the 
 controls!

 Max

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf Martin-Hoster
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:43 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

 Seconds? Division? Thats fancy talk. When I mean antique I mean
Korean? 
 war. Here are some pics.

 http://winmutt.com/images/scope/

 I did think about using AC 60hz as a calibration.

 Pretty sure the CRT on this thing will give you cancer if you stand 
 infront of it heh.

 Thanks.

 -Rolf

 Jim Cathey wrote:
   
 I need to figure out if I am generating a 140hz signal with an 
 antique of a scope. Scope does not have any fancy setting like time.
 It is a navy relic. How do I go about measuring the frequency? I 
 have
   

   
 a signal showing 3 cycles with 100hz sweep. Do I need a better
scope?
   
 Better is easier, but not absolutely necessary.  How do you know it's

 a 100Hz sweep?  But the completely uncalibrated sweeps are difficult 
 to use for frequency.  Usually the sweep speeds are in steps, X 
 seconds/division, and you just count the number of divisions and 
 multiply/divide.  They're not uncalibrated.
 But if it's an unmarked knob you'd only normally use that for 
 waveform
 

   
 quality.

 140 Hz is very close to C#3 on a piano.  Compare it by ear?
 Feed signal to a tuner?  (Cheap frequency counter.)  My Fluke DMM 
 does
 

   
 Hz on AC.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] When it rains it pours (Donald Snook)

A big shout out to Peter Hertzing for helping diagnose the problem the problem 
on my wife's car.  He suggested the idle air control motor/valve and that was 
indeed the problem.  I was working on her car in the dark parking lot of her 
office with nothing but the glow from my I-Phone to illuminate the engine.  
Peter made some great suggestions.  I bought the part, but could not put it on. 
 I had to have the car towed, and when it came off the truck it started and ran 
fine. But, I had my indy put the part on.  When he got the old one off, it was 
definitely gunked up and filthy and the valve was sticking.   So, I am 
confident that fixed the problem.

Thanks to this Mercedes list member who helped me diagnose a problem on a Ford. 
 This really is a great group!

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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

2009-09-10 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Did you bevel the edge a bit to get them started in there?  Just with a 
file or coarse sandpaper.


--R

Allan Streib wrote:

Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... 
they are definitely fully retracted.

Allan
--
1983 300D

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
  

Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers.  Stuck a large
screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper.  After
that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little
tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and
didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8
breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a
crescent wrench.  It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get
the pad in. Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

On the earlier question about right pad vs. left, each box of front pads
has one for the right side of the rotor and one for the left side, but
these should be interchangeable between left side of car and right side.

Take a second look at all the dimensions like rotor thickness, pad
thickness, differences between left and right side of car, piston
retraction into the caliper (are both calipers the same brand?), the
shims on the back of the pad.  Sing as you work One of these brakes is
not like the others, one of these brakes just doesn't belong...

Max 

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:03 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C
clamp... they are definitely fully retracted.

Allan
--
1983 300D

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com
wrote:

 Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers.  Stuck a large 
 screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper.  After

 that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little 
 tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and 
 didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8
 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a 
 crescent wrench.  It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get 
 the pad in. Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

The Akebono pads are beveled out of the box...

Allan
--
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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:08 -0400, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 Did you bevel the edge a bit to get them started in there?  Just with
 a file or coarse sandpaper.

 --R

 Allan Streib wrote:
  Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C
  clamp... they are definitely fully retracted.
 
  Allan
  --
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Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

2009-09-10 Thread winmutt

All of the knobs are for reading, there is a section in the lower right 
for calibration (signal generation) that I didnt take a picture of.. The 
signal you see on the scope is generated by me. I have not way to 
measure peak to peak that I can tell. The calibration didn't seem to 
have any of generating specific frequencies, which would do the job for 
me. I really like this ancient bit but I think it's not up to today's task.


-Rolf

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Doesn't make much sense that an O-scope can't measure freq.  I looked at
the pix and the only controls I see seem to be related to signal
generation, none of them seem to be for measuring.

Again, how do you know this is an O-scope?  Is there a name plate that
says something like Mark 5 Mod 0 Oscilloscope?

Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of winmutt
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:55 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

That is the fundamental problem with this scope. No grid. If you look at
the pics you can see the vintage

-Rolf

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
  
Can you measure the time between peaks?  Usually there is a grid on 
the screen and the horizontal axis it time.  Hz equals cycles per 
second, so if you can determine the time between peaks then some math 
will tell you how many Hz you are measuring.


Are you sure this is an oscilloscope and not some other device like a 
signal generator?  More pix please of the whole front and all the 
controls!


Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf Martin-Hoster
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

Seconds? Division? Thats fancy talk. When I mean antique I mean

Korean? 
  

war. Here are some pics.

http://winmutt.com/images/scope/

I did think about using AC 60hz as a calibration.

Pretty sure the CRT on this thing will give you cancer if you stand 
infront of it heh.


Thanks.

-Rolf

Jim Cathey wrote:
  

I need to figure out if I am generating a 140hz signal with an 
antique of a scope. Scope does not have any fancy setting like time.
It is a navy relic. How do I go about measuring the frequency? I 
have
  

  


a signal showing 3 cycles with 100hz sweep. Do I need a better


scope?
  
  


Better is easier, but not absolutely necessary.  How do you know it's
  


  
a 100Hz sweep?  But the completely uncalibrated sweeps are difficult 
to use for frequency.  Usually the sweep speeds are in steps, X 
seconds/division, and you just count the number of divisions and 
multiply/divide.  They're not uncalibrated.
But if it's an unmarked knob you'd only normally use that for 
waveform

  
  


quality.

140 Hz is very close to C#3 on a piano.  Compare it by ear?
Feed signal to a tuner?  (Cheap frequency counter.)  My Fluke DMM 
does

  
  


Hz on AC.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

For the rear pads, they were shrink-wrapped as two pairs of pads.

The fronts were four pads loose in the box.  I've had a look at the pads and 
don't see any distinguishing marks like direction arrows, L vs. R markings, 
etc.

I will measure the rotors; however both are new and appeared to be identical 
out of the box.

Calipers are likewise both new (rebuilt) but appear to be identical at a glance.

Allan



On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:15 -0400, Dillon, Meade M CIV 
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:
 On the earlier question about right pad vs. left, each box of front pads
 has one for the right side of the rotor and one for the left side, but
 these should be interchangeable between left side of car and right side.
 
 Take a second look at all the dimensions like rotor thickness, pad
 thickness, differences between left and right side of car, piston
 retraction into the caliper (are both calipers the same brand?), the
 shims on the back of the pad.  Sing as you work One of these brakes is
 not like the others, one of these brakes just doesn't belong...
 
 Max 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:03 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
 
 Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C
 clamp... they are definitely fully retracted.
 
 Allan
 --
 1983 300D
 
 On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers.  Stuck a large 
  screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper.  After
 
  that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little 
  tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and 
  didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8
  breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a 
  crescent wrench.  It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get 
  the pad in. Gerry
 
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Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

Maybe if you could have it display a known frequency, then you could measure 
the peak-to-peak distance on the display with a caliper, and use that to 
calculate your unknown signal frequency.  (With some margin of error).

Allan


On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:19 -0400, winmutt r...@winmutt.com wrote:
 All of the knobs are for reading, there is a section in the lower right 
 for calibration (signal generation) that I didnt take a picture of.. The 
 signal you see on the scope is generated by me. I have not way to 
 measure peak to peak that I can tell. The calibration didn't seem to 
 have any of generating specific frequencies, which would do the job for 
 me. I really like this ancient bit but I think it's not up to today's
 task.
 
 -Rolf
 
 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
  Doesn't make much sense that an O-scope can't measure freq.  I looked at
  the pix and the only controls I see seem to be related to signal
  generation, none of them seem to be for measuring.
 
  Again, how do you know this is an O-scope?  Is there a name plate that
  says something like Mark 5 Mod 0 Oscilloscope?
 
  Max
 
  -Original Message-
  From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
  [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of winmutt
  Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:55 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope
 
  That is the fundamental problem with this scope. No grid. If you look at
  the pics you can see the vintage
 
  -Rolf
 
  Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

  Can you measure the time between peaks?  Usually there is a grid on 
  the screen and the horizontal axis it time.  Hz equals cycles per 
  second, so if you can determine the time between peaks then some math 
  will tell you how many Hz you are measuring.
 
  Are you sure this is an oscilloscope and not some other device like a 
  signal generator?  More pix please of the whole front and all the 
  controls!
 
  Max
 
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  From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
  [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf Martin-Hoster
  Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:43 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope
 
  Seconds? Division? Thats fancy talk. When I mean antique I mean
  
  Korean? 

  war. Here are some pics.
 
  http://winmutt.com/images/scope/
 
  I did think about using AC 60hz as a calibration.
 
  Pretty sure the CRT on this thing will give you cancer if you stand 
  infront of it heh.
 
  Thanks.
 
  -Rolf
 
  Jim Cathey wrote:

  
  I need to figure out if I am generating a 140hz signal with an 
  antique of a scope. Scope does not have any fancy setting like time.
  It is a navy relic. How do I go about measuring the frequency? I 
  have

  

  
  a signal showing 3 cycles with 100hz sweep. Do I need a better
  
  scope?


  
  Better is easier, but not absolutely necessary.  How do you know it's

 

  a 100Hz sweep?  But the completely uncalibrated sweeps are difficult 
  to use for frequency.  Usually the sweep speeds are in steps, X 
  seconds/division, and you just count the number of divisions and 
  multiply/divide.  They're not uncalibrated.
  But if it's an unmarked knob you'd only normally use that for 
  waveform
  


  
  quality.
 
  140 Hz is very close to C#3 on a piano.  Compare it by ear?
  Feed signal to a tuner?  (Cheap frequency counter.)  My Fluke DMM 
  does
  


  
  Hz on AC.
 
  -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare


Hmmm, I am thinking that if you bevel them more, then they will fit!

I had to do that on some pads I put on some vehicle, can't remember 
which, but that gave them enough bite to then be shoved on in.  The 
Akebono pads must be a bit higher quality.


--R

Allan Streib wrote:

The Akebono pads are beveled out of the box...

Allan
--
1983 300D

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:08 -0400, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
  

Did you bevel the edge a bit to get them started in there?  Just with
a file or coarse sandpaper.

--R

Allan Streib wrote:


Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C
clamp... they are definitely fully retracted.

Allan
--
1983 300D

  


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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

2009-09-10 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:28 -0400, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Hmmm, I am thinking that if you bevel them more, then they will fit!
 
 I had to do that on some pads I put on some vehicle, can't remember 
 which, but that gave them enough bite to then be shoved on in.  The 
 Akebono pads must be a bit higher quality.

They supposedly are; they certainly are more expensive.  That's why I really 
don't want to grind them down if I don't have to.  But if I ground about 1/32 
or less off each side they'd probably fit.  It's close, but even tapping with a 
hammer I can't get them to slide on; I just start gouging the pads on the rotor 
edge.

Allan
--
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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

Can you swap pads from the other caliper to see if they fit into the
problem caliper?

Max 

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Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

For the rear pads, they were shrink-wrapped as two pairs of pads.

The fronts were four pads loose in the box.  I've had a look at the pads
and don't see any distinguishing marks like direction arrows, L vs.
R markings, etc.

I will measure the rotors; however both are new and appeared to be
identical out of the box.

Calipers are likewise both new (rebuilt) but appear to be identical at a
glance.

Allan

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:15 -0400, Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:
 On the earlier question about right pad vs. left, each box of front 
 pads has one for the right side of the rotor and one for the left 
 side, but these should be interchangeable between left side of car and
right side.

 Take a second look at all the dimensions like rotor thickness, pad 
 thickness, differences between left and right side of car, piston 
 retraction into the caliper (are both calipers the same brand?), the 
 shims on the back of the pad.  Sing as you work One of these brakes 
 is not like the others, one of these brakes just doesn't belong...

 Max

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:03 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

 Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C 
 clamp... they are definitely fully retracted.

 Allan
 --
 1983 300D

 On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:

  Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers.  Stuck a large 
  screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper.  
  After

  that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little 
  tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and 
  didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8
  breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with 
  a crescent wrench.  It broke loose and retracted and I was able to 
  get the pad in. Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

Now THAT'S a pity!  BTW, did he say it has 115 kmi or 150 kmi?  Either way, 
not much at all.


Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes



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Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

2009-09-10 Thread Jim Cathey

Seconds? Division? Thats fancy talk. When I mean antique I mean 
Korean? war.


Looks like it has untriggered sweep.  By this I mean that it's very
hard to get a stable waveform without careful fiddling of the vernier
dial.  (It might be synchronized sweep, which could exhibit a bit of
a 'notch' on the vernier where it does lock.)  Regardless, once one
knows the frequency range of the various sweep switch settings one
can get a very coarse (i.e. within 10-30%, that sort of thing) idea
of the frequency by dialing up some number of full waveforms on the
face and then back-calculating from the vernier setting.  Not easy,
but possible.  I'm sure the squid techs would call you a pansy boy
for not being able to extract frequency from their stone-age tool!

Allow me to suggest a useful adjunct, like a Fluke DMM.  The 'scope
will show you if you've got a good enough waveform to get a good
frequency count off of, and the Fluke will tell you the number.
(For audio frequencies.)

My old Griefkit IO-102 had supposedly synchronized sweep, but it
never worked.  Just as the VTVM's higher voltage ranges were all
out of whack.  These were both assembled by my father, with me
watching as a boy, and I still had the manuals.  I took them fully
apart and repeated the instructions, correctly this time.  Both
work well, now.  Both have been semi-superseded by newer tools,
like the Tektronix 2336 scope and the Fluke 83/87 DMM's.  When
the Tek crapped out a few years ago, however, the old scope was
of great aid in repairing it.

Dad's attention to detail is not mine.  OTOH, somehow he could
teach science to rooms full of pubescents, and be loved for it.
(Whom I would have killed within days, I'm sure.  Me not teacher.
Ugh.)

_Any_ scope is better than no scope.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

2009-09-10 Thread archer

Do the rotors have a lip on them from wear?  I didn't believe that high 
strength metal would flow except when heated with a torch until a front 
stub axle on the '83 300D that had overheated obviously flowed enough to 
prevent a new bearing race being installed.  (The problem was solved by 
using a Chinese bearing  race that was a looser fit.)  If there is a lip 
that makes the disc thicker than normal, that could be the problem although 
it's probably a far-fetched possibility.


One thing you might do is mike the new pads, take the micrometer to Autozone 
and mike their cheapest set.  If the cheap set is significantly thinner, you 
might try installing them until you have more time to solve the problem.

Gerry
---
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C 
clamp... they are definitely fully retracted.

Allan
1983 300D


 arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers.  Stuck a large
screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper.  After
that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little
tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and
didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8
breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a
crescent wrench.  It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get
the pad in. Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day

2009-09-10 Thread E M

I remember reading something similar about 20 or more years ago, when
Mercedes then offered as standard, anti lock brakes. Well, offered as
standard on their entry level cars which were no way entry level in price.
10 years later, my new lowly Pontiac Sunbird came standard with ABS. The
early days of anything new which is a push forward, always comes at a
premium. I guess in a year or so, iDrive will soon be making its way to
Yugos. (I still laugh when I think back to how the whole auto industry beat
up BMW when the 7 Series came out with iDrive) For such a so called crap
idea, sure didn't take other manufactures long to add it to their product
lineups. ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/9/10 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil

Getting up on the soap box here so forgive for interrupting the Mac talk -
er, car talk.

I think that Rich people make the finer things in life available to the
common man, via the wonderful market efficiencies of capitalism. Case in
point: HD TV's. A few years ago they were outrageously expensive, over $3k,
and generally only the Rich bought them. Now most models sell for under $1k
(We bought a Sony 46 for $1600 last summer, same model is now under $1000).
If the Rich hadn't been there to pay for those first ones, the makers
wouldn't have had the chance to figure out better/cheaper ways to make them
(which was driven by competition in a somewhat free market aka a capitalist
system).

Same thing applies (for the time being) to healthcare. The Rich can and do
pay for the very best ground-breaking care, and several years later those
procedures become more common place and less expensive so the rest of us
enjoy their benefits. I'll stop there before I go completely over the
political line and get slapped down by the list mom.

Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LWB250
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:10 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] He is back

True, but when money is no object, it's not hard to find the best medical
care possible. You have to admit that your chances of survival probably go
up somewhat under these circumstances, no matter how grave the prognosis.

I'm not bitter about it, just making a point. I think it's great that he's
doing well. I posted the link mainly for humorous purposes, as I think the
fanboy stuff is pretty funny.

I have a good friend who is going through the exact same cancer and has
even had the same surgery as Jobs, He's doing well a year later and has a
good prognosis so far. I'm hoping things stay that way, especially for the
sake of his two young kids, as he doesn't have the resources that Jobs has.

Dan

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] He is back
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:49 PM His story is very
encouraging, a cancer survivor and transplant, I hope he continues to
get better.

--R

LWB250 wrote:
Check it out:

http://gizmodo.com/5355422/steve-jobs-is-back-in-the-game-reappears-
in-ipod-event

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day

2009-09-10 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

I guess I'm 20 years or so behind due to driving my still-mighty-fine 19 
and 23-year-old MB's, so what's iDrive?  Drive-by-wire or drive by radio 
control?  ;)


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day



I remember reading something similar about 20 or more years ago, when
Mercedes then offered as standard, anti lock brakes.  Well, offered as
standard on their entry level cars which were no way entry level in price.
10 years later, my new lowly Pontiac Sunbird came standard with ABS.  The
early days of anything new which is a push forward, always comes at a
premium.  I guess in a year or so, iDrive will soon be making its way to
Yugos.  (I still laugh when I think back to how the whole auto industry 
beat

up BMW when the 7 Series came out with iDrive)  For such a so called crap
idea, sure didn't take other manufactures long to add it to their product
lineups. ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/9/10 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil

Getting up on the soap box here so forgive for interrupting the Mac 
talk -

er, car talk.

I think that Rich people make the finer things in life available to the
common man, via the wonderful market efficiencies of capitalism.  Case in
point: HD TV's.  A few years ago they were outrageously expensive, over 
$3k,
and generally only the Rich bought them.  Now most models sell for under 
$1k
(We bought a Sony 46 for $1600 last summer, same model is now under 
$1000).

 If the Rich hadn't been there to pay for those first ones, the makers
wouldn't have had the chance to figure out better/cheaper ways to make 
them
(which was driven by competition in a somewhat free market aka a 
capitalist

system).

Same thing applies (for the time being) to healthcare.  The Rich can and 
do

pay for the very best ground-breaking care, and several years later those
procedures become more common place and less expensive so the rest of us
enjoy their benefits.  I'll stop there before I go completely over the
political line and get slapped down by the list mom.

Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]

On Behalf Of LWB250
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:10 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] He is back

True, but when money is no object, it's not hard to find the best medical
care possible.  You have to admit that your chances of survival probably 
go

up somewhat under these circumstances, no matter how grave the prognosis.

I'm not bitter about it, just making a point.  I think it's great that 
he's
doing well.  I posted the link mainly for humorous purposes, as I think 
the

fanboy stuff is pretty funny.

I have a good friend who is going through the exact same cancer and has
even had the same surgery as Jobs,  He's doing well a year later and has 
a
good prognosis so far.  I'm hoping things stay that way, especially for 
the
sake of his two young kids, as he doesn't have the resources that Jobs 
has.


Dan

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] He is back
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:49 PM His story is very
 encouraging, a cancer survivor and transplant, I hope he continues to
 get better.

 --R

 LWB250 wrote:
  Check it out:
 
  http://gizmodo.com/5355422/steve-jobs-is-back-in-the-game-reappears-
  in-ipod-event
 
  Dan
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day

iDrive was a singe knob for controlling the radio, climate control, and
other info displays and functions.  Car  Driver hated it and took every
opportunity to bash BMW because it was not intuitive to use and required
that the driver spend some time studying and using the system to become
familiar.  

Max 

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Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day

I guess I'm 20 years or so behind due to driving my still-mighty-fine
19 and 23-year-old MB's, so what's iDrive?  Drive-by-wire or drive by
radio control?  ;)

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day


I remember reading something similar about 20 or more years ago, when
 Mercedes then offered as standard, anti lock brakes.  Well, offered as
 standard on their entry level cars which were no way entry level in
price.
 10 years later, my new lowly Pontiac Sunbird came standard with ABS.
The
 early days of anything new which is a push forward, always comes at a
 premium.  I guess in a year or so, iDrive will soon be making its way
to
 Yugos.  (I still laugh when I think back to how the whole auto
industry 
 beat
 up BMW when the 7 Series came out with iDrive)  For such a so called
crap
 idea, sure didn't take other manufactures long to add it to their
product
 lineups. ;-)

 Ed
 300E

 2009/9/10 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil

 Getting up on the soap box here so forgive for interrupting the Mac 
 talk -
 er, car talk.

 I think that Rich people make the finer things in life available to
the
 common man, via the wonderful market efficiencies of capitalism.
Case in
 point: HD TV's.  A few years ago they were outrageously expensive,
over 
 $3k,
 and generally only the Rich bought them.  Now most models sell for
under 
 $1k
 (We bought a Sony 46 for $1600 last summer, same model is now under 
 $1000).
  If the Rich hadn't been there to pay for those first ones, the
makers
 wouldn't have had the chance to figure out better/cheaper ways to
make 
 them
 (which was driven by competition in a somewhat free market aka a 
 capitalist
 system).

 Same thing applies (for the time being) to healthcare.  The Rich can
and 
 do
 pay for the very best ground-breaking care, and several years later
those
 procedures become more common place and less expensive so the rest of
us
 enjoy their benefits.  I'll stop there before I go completely over
the
 political line and get slapped down by the list mom.

 Max

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of LWB250
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:10 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] He is back

 True, but when money is no object, it's not hard to find the best
medical
 care possible.  You have to admit that your chances of survival
probably 
 go
 up somewhat under these circumstances, no matter how grave the
prognosis.

 I'm not bitter about it, just making a point.  I think it's great
that 
 he's
 doing well.  I posted the link mainly for humorous purposes, as I
think 
 the
 fanboy stuff is pretty funny.

 I have a good friend who is going through the exact same cancer and
has
 even had the same surgery as Jobs,  He's doing well a year later and
has 
 a
 good prognosis so far.  I'm hoping things stay that way, especially
for 
 the
 sake of his two young kids, as he doesn't have the resources that
Jobs 
 has.

 Dan

 --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

  From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] He is back
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:49 PM His story is very
  encouraging, a cancer survivor and transplant, I hope he continues
to
  get better.
 
  --R
 
  LWB250 wrote:
   Check it out:
  
  
http://gizmodo.com/5355422/steve-jobs-is-back-in-the-game-reappears-
   in-ipod-event
  
   Dan
  
  
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

Wilton wrote: Now THAT'S a pity!  BTW, did he say it has 115 kmi or 150 kmi?  
Either way,
not much at all.

That makes my stomach hurt to watch that.  What an enormous waste!  Even if 
that was some crappy car that I hated, it would be a shame to do that to a car 
that runs and could provide cheap transportation to someone that needed it.


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Re: [MBZ] Oscilloscope

2009-09-10 Thread Frederick W Moir


Winmutt.
Where in the country do you live?
I have an Olde but functioning Tek you can have. if you live 
somewhere in the N.E.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 09:19 AM 9/10/2009, you wrote:
All of the knobs are for reading, there is a section in the lower 
right for calibration (signal generation) that I didnt take a 
picture of.. The signal you see on the scope is generated by me. I 
have not way to measure peak to peak that I can tell. The 
calibration didn't seem to have any of generating specific 
frequencies, which would do the job for me. I really like this 
ancient bit but I think it's not up to today's task.


-Rolf

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Doesn't make much sense that an O-scope can't measure freq.  I looked at
the pix and the only controls I see seem to be related to signal
generation, none of them seem to be for measuring.

Again, how do you know this is an O-scope?  Is there a name plate that
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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

And getting pretty good mileage on Diesel fuel; still looks damned good, 
too.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

Wilton wrote: Now THAT'S a pity!  BTW, did he say it has 115 kmi or 150 
kmi?  Either way,

not much at all.

That makes my stomach hurt to watch that.  What an enormous waste!  Even 
if that was some crappy car that I hated, it would be a shame to do that 
to a car that runs and could provide cheap transportation to someone that 
needed it.

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Re: [MBZ] calling card - was Parts exchange

2009-09-10 Thread John Robbins


Fmiser wrote:
Any suggestions on a good web forum to recommend? 


www.peachparts.com  (formerly Mercedesshop)

They have a fairly active classified section as well.

John

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Monkey-Masked Speeding Driver in Phoenix

2009-09-10 Thread dave walton

Glycerine based fog machines give a nice effect and are cheap:
http://cgi.ebay.com/WOW-400-Watt-Fog-Machine-Smoke-Machine_W0QQitemZ260471077099QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca54938eb_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

The 2-Part polyurethane foam machines used for shipping use glycerine
as the B component. The leftovers in 2 or 3 15-gallon containers
should give you enough to last a season. The containers themselves are
quite handy too.

-Dave Walton

On 9/10/09, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
Rich wrote: When I was in college I was on my way to a Halloween party
wearing my
full Nixon outfit, rubber mask, Salvie Army old blue suit, white shirt,
tie, flag pin, the whole deal. Stopped at a traffic light by campus
next to a coupla cops in their car, who looked over, I gave them the
2-finger V with both hands.

That's a hilarious story! My wife went to a charity (fundraiser) Halloween
party three years ago at a huge community party. A few blocks away as we
were going home, I looked up ahead and there were cops everywhere. It was a
DUI checkpoint. We were dressed as Smurfs - totally covered in blue paint
with the white pants and Smurf hats. The cop looked at me when I got to the
Checkpoint and said, Hey Papa Smurf! Are you okay to get Smurfette home
tonight? I said, I have not been smurfing, so I should be okay! He waved
us on through.

By the way, my wife and I are hosting a Halloween party this year at our
house. We expect about 50-75 people. We really want to decorate the house
and make it scary. I know this bunch is full of some very creative thinkers,
so if you have some creative, scary, and cheap ideas to decorate the house
let me hear them!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Halloween tricks

2009-09-10 Thread harry watkins

I know this bunch is full of some very creative thinkers, so if you have 
some creative, scary, and cheap ideas to decorate the house let me hear 
them!


Donald H. Snook


One year I made a spook with a white sheet, hula hoop at the bottom and a 
flash light tied inside.  I attached it to a rope loop from a tree to my 
chimney.  When I pulled it onto the roof above the door it was out of sight. 
When I pulled it off the roof, it made a dragging sound then dropped over 
the sidewalk behind the kids on the porch.  Of course we added some sound 
effects.  When the supplies got low, I would go early and stretch out the 
goodies.


Harry 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day

2009-09-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:
 iDrive was a singe knob for controlling the radio, climate control, and
 other info displays and functions.  Car  Driver hated it and took every
 opportunity to bash BMW because it was not intuitive to use and required
 that the driver spend some time studying and using the system to become
 familiar.

The problem with iDrive and similar one-screen systems is not the lack
of intuitiveness (my user interface design professor used to say that
the only intuitive interface is the nipple), it's the lack of safety!
With traditional button/switch/knob controls, once learned, you can
operate them by feel.  But every screen-based control system I've seen
requires that you look at it to know which menu option you're
choosing---taking your eyes off the road for a significant amount of
time.

Video-screen-based control systems in cars, I suspect, are adopted not
because they're better but because the marketing department thinks
they will give the car an appealing high-tech wow factor, and perhaps
also because once the programmers' salaries are amortized they are
cheaper to produce than a lot of discrete buttons and switches (with
all the associated tooling and plastic-forming equipment).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] calling card - was Parts exchange

2009-09-10 Thread Fmiser

 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

 How about the MBCA Marshall Booth diesel forum?
 
 http://mbca.cartama.net/forumdisplay.php?f=5 

Thank you.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] calling card - was Parts exchange

2009-09-10 Thread Fmiser

 John Robbins wrote:

 Fmiser wrote:
  Any suggestions on a good web forum to recommend? 
 
 www.peachparts.com  (formerly Mercedesshop)
 
 They have a fairly active classified section as well.

Thank you.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] When it rains it pours (Donald Snook)

2009-09-10 Thread R A Bennell

Any idea if this is something that could have been avoided by cleaning? I have 
an F-150 Supercrew that likely has
similar stuff under the hood. No problems so far but would like to keep it that 
way.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:03 AM
To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] When it rains it pours (Donald Snook)


A big shout out to Peter Hertzing for helping diagnose the problem the problem 
on my wife's car.  He suggested the
idle air control motor/valve and that was indeed the problem.  I was working on 
her car in the dark parking lot of
her office with nothing but the glow from my I-Phone to illuminate the engine.  
Peter made some great suggestions.
I bought the part, but could not put it on.  I had to have the car towed, and 
when it came off the truck it started
and ran fine. But, I had my indy put the part on.  When he got the old one off, 
it was definitely gunked up and
filthy and the valve was sticking.   So, I am confident that fixed the problem.

Thanks to this Mercedes list member who helped me diagnose a problem on a Ford. 
 This really is a great group!

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] OT more Ford

2009-09-10 Thread R A Bennell

Don't think I related this story before. Please forgive me if I have.

Youger son was driving 98 F-150 with the 4.2 V6 (he got the Maxima that I know 
I posted about - so we have the
truck for sale)

In any event, just before he stopped driving it, it produced a check engine 
light. Was re-set and did it again.
Code was 1537 or some such #.

That is related to a control that opens butterfly valves in the intake 
manifold. The idea is good. It has longer
and shorter runners in the intake. One provides better low speed drivability 
and the other better high rpm power.
There are vacuum doodads on the back of the engine that open the butterfly 
valves on acceleration over 3K rpm.

The code said one of these was acting up.

Not easy to get to. Tom pulled the upper intake in order to get a look. 
Ultimately pulled the lower too and put new
gaskets in as these tend to leak coolant into a cylinder and destroy themselves 
when one tries to crank them to
life.

The problem with the vacuum doodad was not the doodad, but was the linkage that 
connects it to the butterfly
valves. A little plastic or nylon connector had broken and let the metal link 
fall out. Sounds simple.

Tom called local parts store and they said dealer item.

So, he ran over to the dealer, and they told him, no parts available. One must 
buy the whole intake manifold for
$1200.

He is an apprentice mechanic so he waited until he went in to work on Monday 
and looked through some catalogues
that they have and found the little doodads were available. Got a half dozen of 
them for $6.

Put it back together and it runs fine.

Lord knows what it would have cost to have it done in a garage.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT more Ford

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:06 -0500, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 So, he ran over to the dealer, and they told him, no parts available.
 One must buy the whole intake manifold $1200.

I've heard that dealers have done so poorly with sales this year that
they are trying to make some of it up on parts and service.  E.g.
selling whole assemblies instead of component parts.

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Macs looking for a home Was: first impressions on snow leopard

2009-09-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 First no monitor mac was the plain Mac II.  Huge box with six NUBUS slots.

Six slots, any or all of which could be filled with a video card, with
OS support to use them to display a single contiguous workspace
regardless of the size or resolution of the monitors attached.  I
remember in 1987 being blown away by a floor display at an Apple
dealer of a Mac II with four or five monitors gratuitously attached
simultaneously---some large, some small, some color, some B/W (the
late, lamented 2-bit grayscale Apple Portrait Display, I believe).

This was 15 years or so before Windows machines could reliably offer
this feature, and I don't think anyone really grokked its significance
at the time except Photoshop users, who soon cottoned to the idea of
putting your document window on one big monitor and your toolbars,
palettes, etc. on a second, smaller one.  Some people are only just
now getting it---you still see articles and blog entries in the
corporate IT press with titles like Use Two Monitors For Greater
Productivity!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day

2009-09-10 Thread E M

I think the recent mercedes have pretty much worked out the car keeping and
adjusting speed, right down to zero while the speed control is on.  Give it
another 20 years or so, when they figure out how to keep the car between the
lanes, and from hitting other cars and things without steering input from
the driver, then we will be free to set the cruise, and play with the iDrive
til out hearts content. ;-)

I wonder how far off such things really are?  When I look at an S Class from
'89, and one today, hard to believe only 20 years has made the car higher
tech than most small airplanes of 20 years ago.

Ed
300E.

2009/9/10 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com

 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
 SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:
  iDrive was a singe knob for controlling the radio, climate control, and
  other info displays and functions.  Car  Driver hated it and took every
  opportunity to bash BMW because it was not intuitive to use and required
  that the driver spend some time studying and using the system to become
  familiar.

 The problem with iDrive and similar one-screen systems is not the lack
 of intuitiveness (my user interface design professor used to say that
 the only intuitive interface is the nipple), it's the lack of safety!
 With traditional button/switch/knob controls, once learned, you can
 operate them by feel.  But every screen-based control system I've seen
 requires that you look at it to know which menu option you're
 choosing---taking your eyes off the road for a significant amount of
 time.

 Video-screen-based control systems in cars, I suspect, are adopted not
 because they're better but because the marketing department thinks
 they will give the car an appealing high-tech wow factor, and perhaps
 also because once the programmers' salaries are amortized they are
 cheaper to produce than a lot of discrete buttons and switches (with
 all the associated tooling and plastic-forming equipment).

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Macs looking for a home Was: first impressions on snow leopard

2009-09-10 Thread E M

I think one reason few took to the idea, was the cost of those Apple
monitors if I remember!! Buy the time you forked over the cash for Mac ll,
and one monitor, most had to take a second mortgage on their homes. hee hee.

Ed
300E, with a bunch of old Mac stuff in the basement. A bunch just went to
the dump too.

2009/9/10 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
First no monitor mac was the plain Mac II. Huge box with six NUBUS
slots.

Six slots, any or all of which could be filled with a video card, with
OS support to use them to display a single contiguous workspace
regardless of the size or resolution of the monitors attached. I
remember in 1987 being blown away by a floor display at an Apple
dealer of a Mac II with four or five monitors gratuitously attached
simultaneously---some large, some small, some color, some B/W (the
late, lamented 2-bit grayscale Apple Portrait Display, I believe).

This was 15 years or so before Windows machines could reliably offer
this feature, and I don't think anyone really grokked its significance
at the time except Photoshop users, who soon cottoned to the idea of
putting your document window on one big monitor and your toolbars,
palettes, etc. on a second, smaller one. Some people are only just
now getting it---you still see articles and blog entries in the
corporate IT press with titles like Use Two Monitors For Greater
Productivity!

Alex

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[MBZ] Transmission rebuild parts for 87 300SDL?

2009-09-10 Thread dave walton

Do you sell a transmission rebuild kit that would replace seals and
wear parts for a 1987 300SDL? I believe that's a 722.321. Also
interested in purchasing any special tools that are needed.

Is it naive to consider doing this myself?

Thanks

-Dave Walton

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission rebuild parts for 87 300SDL?

2009-09-10 Thread dave walton

Oops. That was meant for Rusty. Sent to list by mistake.

Any comments appreciated, however

-Dave Walton

On 9/10/09, dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Do you sell a transmission rebuild kit that would replace seals and
  wear parts for a 1987 300SDL? I believe that's a 722.321. Also
  interested in purchasing any special tools that are needed.

  Is it naive to consider doing this myself?

  Thanks


  -Dave Walton


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Re: [MBZ] Transmission rebuild parts for 87 300SDL?

2009-09-10 Thread Gary Hurst

it's probably naive, but it really depends on your level of skill

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM, dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oops. That was meant for Rusty. Sent to list by mistake.

 Any comments appreciated, however

 -Dave Walton

 On 9/10/09, dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
  Do you sell a transmission rebuild kit that would replace seals and
   wear parts for a 1987 300SDL? I believe that's a 722.321. Also
   interested in purchasing any special tools that are needed.
 
   Is it naive to consider doing this myself?
 
   Thanks
 
 
   -Dave Walton
 

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Re: [MBZ] When it rains it pours

Randy wrote: Any idea if this is something that could have been avoided by 
cleaning? I have an F-150 Supercrew that likely has similar stuff under the 
hood. No problems so far but would like to keep it that way.

Yes, you can clean them.  I don't know whether a diesel has one of these.  But, 
on the 5.4L engine, it is VERY difficult to get it out, so if I was going to 
have pay labor to get it out and cleaned, I figured it was better to replace 
it.  It was original and the vehicle has 140,000 miles on it.


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Re: [MBZ] Transmission rebuild parts for 87 300SDL?

2009-09-10 Thread Rusty Cullens

We sell a kit that includes all gaskets and seals plus all the friction 
discs. Anything else needed would have to be purchased separately. we can 
get all the part needed. the tools we don't have. We also sell rebuilt 
transmissions complete with torque converter for $1595.00. These units come 
with a 2 year warranty.



Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Transmission rebuild parts for 87 300SDL?



Do you sell a transmission rebuild kit that would replace seals and
wear parts for a 1987 300SDL? I believe that's a 722.321. Also
interested in purchasing any special tools that are needed.

Is it naive to consider doing this myself?

Thanks

-Dave Walton

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[MBZ] OT: Halloween.

Dave Walton wrote: Glycerine based fog machines give a nice effect and are 
cheap: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/WOW-400-Watt-Fog-Machine-Smoke-Machine_W0QQitemZ260471077099QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca54938eb_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


That's a great idea, Dave!  Thanks,


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[MBZ] OT: Halloween Tricks

Harry wrote: One year I made a spook with a white sheet, hula hoop at the 
bottom and a
flash light tied inside.  I attached it to a rope loop from a tree to my
chimney.  When I pulled it onto the roof above the door it was out of sight.
When I pulled it off the roof, it made a dragging sound then dropped over
the sidewalk behind the kids on the porch.  Of course we added some sound
effects.  When the supplies got low, I would go early and stretch out the
goodies.

I bet that scared the crap out of the kids!


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Re: [MBZ] ABS

2009-09-10 Thread RELNGSON

 ...I remember reading something similar about 20 or more years ago, when
 Mercedes then offered as standard, anti lock brakes.  Well, offered as
 standard on their entry level cars which were no way entry level in 
 price...
 
My 1985 190E (in stock) came with ABS and the cost was about $1400 extra. 
That may have been the first year for the US. Possibly.

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Re: [MBZ] Macs looking for a home Was: first impressions on snow leopard

2009-09-10 Thread Curt Raymond

Video editors too, we've had one screen for playback and one for bins for 
years...

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:03:18 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Macs looking for a home Was: first impressions on
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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 First no monitor mac was the plain Mac II. ?Huge box with six NUBUS slots.

Six slots, any or all of which could be filled with a video card, with
OS support to use them to display a single contiguous workspace
regardless of the size or resolution of the monitors attached.  I
remember in 1987 being blown away by a floor display at an Apple
dealer of a Mac II with four or five monitors gratuitously attached
simultaneously---some large, some small, some color, some B/W (the
late, lamented 2-bit grayscale Apple Portrait Display, I believe).

This was 15 years or so before Windows machines could reliably offer
this feature, and I don't think anyone really grokked its significance
at the time except Photoshop users, who soon cottoned to the idea of
putting your document window on one big monitor and your toolbars,
palettes, etc. on a second, smaller one.  Some people are only just
now getting it---you still see articles and blog entries in the
corporate IT press with titles like Use Two Monitors For Greater
Productivity!

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Re: [MBZ] When it rains it pours

2009-09-10 Thread R A Bennell

OK, my truck is a 5.4 and it has about 125K miles so might be upcoming. Where 
is this thing? What did the new one
cost?

Randy

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Randy wrote: Any idea if this is something that could have been avoided by 
cleaning? I have an F-150 Supercrew
that likely has similar stuff under the hood. No problems so far but would like 
to keep it that way.

Yes, you can clean them.  I don't know whether a diesel has one of these.  But, 
on the 5.4L engine, it is VERY
difficult to get it out, so if I was going to have pay labor to get it out and 
cleaned, I figured it was better to
replace it.  It was original and the vehicle has 140,000 miles on it.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: my pro-capitalism rant of the day

2009-09-10 Thread Mountain Man

Max wrote:
 Same thing applies (for the time being) to healthcare.  The Rich can and do 
 pay for the very best ground-breaking care, and several years later those 
 procedures become more common place and less expensive so the rest of us 
 enjoy their benefits.  I'll stop there before I go completely over the 
 political line and get slapped down by the list mom.


Au contraire.
You think Jobs paid for that procedure out of his own very large pocket?
Prolly not.  He prolly had insurance, and insurance is paid by... who?
- you... and me.
Abolish insurance - annihilate insurance.  Then we can see prices fall
to where the marketplace can afford pharma and care, and much of the
so called care such as liver transplant will be eliminated as it is
not supported in the cost structures that depend on users paying for
services.  Insurance of any type is a huge racket, i.e. racketeering
which is outlawed by SEC, etc.  But we have all been duped into
believing we can get some - some money for large ticket items by
paying in to a system of insurance.  That is a lie.  Certainly half a
dozen of us here will tell of some story where insco made it happen
for the premiums - but realize insco is based on actuarial which
mathematically realizes that there is many many non pay outs that fund
the excessively expensive.

A realistic health thing for today is to annihilate insurances in this
country and then eliminate any and all subsidies, period.  Live life
realistically, realizing that there are many things that should not be
afforded, and can not be afforded.  Get real.

That is my pro-capitalism rant.  Eliminate all subsidies, if you want
to see real capitalism.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Macs looking for a home Was: first impressions on snow leopard

2009-09-10 Thread Loren Faeth


Yup!

I grabbed a aforementioned Portrait monitor at the univ junk sale, 
(it was already OLD then) then donated it to the lady (maybe 12 years 
ago) who edited my thesis and dissertation.  She could do stuff on 
the small monitor, like email and daily grind stuff, while she had a 
word file up on the portrait editing two full size pages at a 
time.  It increased her productivity so much she didn't charge for my 
dissertation.  She cried when she was no longer able to use  that 
monitor!   It is only recently  with big widescreen flat monitors 
that two pages at a time on one monitor became realistic again.


At 12:03 PM 9/10/2009, you wrote:

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 First no monitor mac was the plain Mac II.  Huge box with six NUBUS slots.

Six slots, any or all of which could be filled with a video card, with
OS support to use them to display a single contiguous workspace
regardless of the size or resolution of the monitors attached.  I
remember in 1987 being blown away by a floor display at an Apple
dealer of a Mac II with four or five monitors gratuitously attached
simultaneously---some large, some small, some color, some B/W (the
late, lamented 2-bit grayscale Apple Portrait Display, I believe).

This was 15 years or so before Windows machines could reliably offer
this feature, and I don't think anyone really grokked its significance
at the time except Photoshop users, who soon cottoned to the idea of
putting your document window on one big monitor and your toolbars,
palettes, etc. on a second, smaller one.  Some people are only just
now getting it---you still see articles and blog entries in the
corporate IT press with titles like Use Two Monitors For Greater
Productivity!

Alex

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[MBZ] I saw another 350SD today

I saw one of these sitting at a mechanic shop, had a blown head gasket, 
thought about buying it cheap but didn't (and I am therefore still among 
the living).  Saw another one today, a white one.  I thought that 
interesting since so few were produced or shipped here.  Never had seen 
one before the one that was sick, so this is the second one.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Macs looking for a home Was: first impressions on snow leopard

The better widescreen monitors can be rotated to a portrait orientation.  Very 
nice when doing word processing or code editing.

Allan


On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:52 -0500, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote:
 Yup!
 
 I grabbed a aforementioned Portrait monitor at the univ junk sale, 
 (it was already OLD then) then donated it to the lady (maybe 12 years 
 ago) who edited my thesis and dissertation.  She could do stuff on 
 the small monitor, like email and daily grind stuff, while she had a 
 word file up on the portrait editing two full size pages at a 
 time.  It increased her productivity so much she didn't charge for my 
 dissertation.  She cried when she was no longer able to use  that 
 monitor!   It is only recently  with big widescreen flat monitors 
 that two pages at a time on one monitor became realistic again.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

2009-09-10 Thread Rick Knoble


Donald Snook wrote:
That makes my stomach hurt to watch that.  What an enormous waste!  Even 
if that was some crappy car that I hated, it would be a shame to do that 
to a car that runs and could provide cheap transportation to someone that 
needed it.


Which is what sickened me about Cash For Clunkers.

Rick



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Re: [MBZ] He is back....

just goes to show with enough money, anybody can get a new liver, or 
whatever it is he had transplanted.


Rich Thomas wrote:
His story is very encouraging, a cancer survivor and transplant, I 
hope he continues to get better.


--R

LWB250 wrote:

Check it out:

http://gizmodo.com/5355422/steve-jobs-is-back-in-the-game-reappears-in-ipod-event 



Dan


 
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Re: [MBZ] Jobs

My grandmother was diagnosed with it beginning of January a couple of 
years ago, she was gone within 2 weeks.


relng...@aol.com wrote:
..His story is very encouraging, a cancer survivor and transplant, I hope 
he continues to get better...



The fact that there was no mention of his Pancreatic cancer is odd. The 
tables say that 95% of those so diagnosed are gone in less than a year. Perhaps 
he is in the 5%,


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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

man that sure pissed me plum smooth off.  Nice looking 126 too, and only 
118k miles.  What a total and complete waste.  I have been seeing this 
all over the place too.  Geez.


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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

Damned fool who'll do something like that to such a fine car doesn't know 
what a prize he has/had.  'Wonder what he gave it away for (replacement).


Wilton

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man that sure pissed me plum smooth off.  Nice looking 126 too, and only 
118k miles.  What a total and complete waste.  I have been seeing this all 
over the place too.  Geez.


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Re: [MBZ] He is back....

Actually, most anybody can get it if they are medically qualified to get 
it.  There are ways around the costs to the recipient (but not to the 
rest of us).  Problem is, a lot of the people who need new livers need a 
new liver because they have blown out their own by doing 
liver-unfriendly things, and they are not generally good candidates 
unless they demonstrate they can behave, or don't have other underlying 
disease.


--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
just goes to show with enough money, anybody can get a new liver, or 
whatever it is he had transplanted.


Rich Thomas wrote:
His story is very encouraging, a cancer survivor and transplant, I 
hope he continues to get better.


--R

LWB250 wrote:

Check it out:

http://gizmodo.com/5355422/steve-jobs-is-back-in-the-game-reappears-in-ipod-event 



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Re: [MBZ] Macs looking for a home Was: first impressions on snow leopard

2009-09-10 Thread Peter Frederick

I have one, bought from the neighbor's company when they switched to  
PCs 15 years ago or so.


Lovely machine, it's the only one I'm keeping.

Pretty spiff for 1990:  the IIfx has a 40 MHz processor, and mine has  
24 M of memory, in the day when a PC usually only held 4M.


System 7.1 on it, still operates for all I know.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Macs looking for a home Was: first impressions on snow leopard

2009-09-10 Thread Peter Frederick


The IIfx ran a cool $10,000.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

This whole program is really going to hurt the lower income people who 
buy these cheap cars. 


Donald Snook wrote:

Wilton wrote: Now THAT'S a pity!  BTW, did he say it has 115 kmi or 150 kmi?  
Either way,
not much at all.

That makes my stomach hurt to watch that.  What an enormous waste!  Even if 
that was some crappy car that I hated, it would be a shame to do that to a car 
that runs and could provide cheap transportation to someone that needed it.


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Re: [MBZ] When it rains it pours

Randy wrote: OK, my truck is a 5.4 and it has about 125K miles so might be 
upcoming. Where is this thing? What did the new one cost?

I bought the aftermarket Borg Warner variety (lifetime warranty) and it was 
$51.  I don't know how much the Motorcraft part would be. On mine, it was 
located under the cowl overhang (you have to approach it from the left of the 
intake and reach to the back of the engine bay and on top.  It looks like a 
booger and I couldn't figure out how to get the bottom bolt off of it.  It is 
only two bolts, a gasket and electrical connector.  So, if you can get to it, 
its not a problem.


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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

2009-09-10 Thread tyler

There were about 0.7 million vehicles destroyed under the program, out
of about 250 million vehicles on the road in the USA- so on average one
out of about 350 used vehicles were scrapped. I am no fan of the
program, but I don't think it lasted long enough to have a huge impact
on the used car market. I hope they don't restart the program, however
as I think the economic and environmental benefits of it were dubious.

Tyler

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
This whole program is really going to hurt the lower income people who
buy these cheap cars.

Donald Snook wrote:
Wilton wrote: Now THAT'S a pity! BTW, did he say it has 115 kmi or
150 kmi? Either way,

not much at all.

That makes my stomach hurt to watch that. What an enormous waste!
Even if that was some crappy car that I hated, it would be a shame to
do that to a car that runs and could provide cheap transportation to
someone that needed it.

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Re: [MBZ] I saw another 350SD today

Rich wrote: I saw one of these sitting at a mechanic shop, had a blown head 
gasket,
thought about buying it cheap but didn't (and I am therefore still among
the living).  Saw another one today, a white one.  I thought that
interesting since so few were produced or shipped here.  Never had seen
one before the one that was sick, so this is the second one.

Here's one here in Wichita.  I am assuming you are talking about the 126 
version not the 140.

http://www.eurotechsaab.com/VehicleDetails/491708353

I looked at this one (I didn't drive it).  I just walked around it.   Looks 
pretty nice.  Paint is okay, with some small flaws in several places, generally 
just tired paint.  Interior looks VERY nice.  It has sheepskins, so I don't 
know what the front seats look like.   135K miles is very low.

The only thing it says on price is:  Call us for price.

BUT, remember what Marshall said about these cars, unless it has a Mercedes 
Factory Rebuilt engine, it is just a matter of time till it fails.  Some of the 
haven't failed, yet, but they will and when they do, look out.

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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

2009-09-10 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

That makes me sick.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes

It would be some sort of car that will be long dead by the time it 
reaches the same age.


WILTON wrote:
Damned fool who'll do something like that to such a fine car doesn't 
know what a prize he has/had.  'Wonder what he gave it away for 
(replacement).


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Re: [MBZ] I saw another 350SD today

Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com writes:

 BUT, remember what Marshall said about these cars, unless it has a
 Mercedes Factory Rebuilt engine, it is just a matter of time till it
 fails.  Some of the haven't failed, yet, but they will and when they
 do, look out.

Would a dealer be able to tell from the VIN whether this had been done
(assuming it was done at a dealership shop, I suppose...)  

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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

Well the rotors and pads measured identical.  So must be the caliper.  I
ground the pads a bit and got the whole assembly to slide over the
rotor.  It's still dragging -- much tighter than the passenger side.
Once I get the system bled and a few start-stops I'll see how much it
still drags.  I think it's the inside pad that's too close.

What a pain in the a**

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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that you've
bought some time. It might be better than the one you bought. It's not that
hard to rebuild one.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Well the rotors and pads measured identical.  So must be the caliper.  I
 ground the pads a bit and got the whole assembly to slide over the
 rotor.  It's still dragging -- much tighter than the passenger side.
 Once I get the system bled and a few start-stops I'll see how much it
 still drags.  I think it's the inside pad that's too close.

 What a pain in the a**

 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes:

 Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that
 you've bought some time. It might be better than the one you
 bought. It's not that hard to rebuild one.

There's a 50 core refund I'd give up.  Plus the cost of the kit.  Not
worth it.  They were rebuilds too.  Only lasted 2 years.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 124 parking brakes and drive shaft

The parts from Rusty arrived today - a new speed record - andI noticed a few
things. The box with the Ds center support says Febi and Germany We
produce quality all over it. There is also a sticker that says made in
CHINA.
The part has Germany molded into the rubber. WHo knows what's going on?
Doesn't really matter, just curious.

Kaleb mentioned when I was visiting last that he's noticed a mix of hex head
and Allen head bolts in flex disk kits recently. One of the ones I just
received indeed has 3 hex head and 3 Allen head bolts. The other one has all
Allen head bolts. Curious again ---


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Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes


Absolutely - 'my thoughts, too.

Wilton

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It would be some sort of car that will be long dead by the time it 
reaches the same age.


WILTON wrote:
Damned fool who'll do something like that to such a fine car doesn't 
know what a prize he has/had.  'Wonder what he gave it away for 
(replacement).


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Re: [MBZ] 124 parking brakes and drive shaft

OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes:

 The parts from Rusty arrived today - a new speed record - andI noticed a few
 things. The box with the Ds center support says Febi and Germany We
 produce quality all over it. There is also a sticker that says made in
 CHINA.

Didn't you hear that China bought Germany?

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Re: [MBZ] 124 parking brakes and drive shaft


and the USA

Allan Streib wrote:

OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes:

  

The parts from Rusty arrived today - a new speed record - andI noticed a few
things. The box with the Ds center support says Febi and Germany We
produce quality all over it. There is also a sticker that says made in
CHINA.



Didn't you hear that China bought Germany?

Allan
  


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Re: [MBZ] 124 parking brakes and drive shaft

No, I thought it was the US.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes:

  The parts from Rusty arrived today - a new speed record - andI noticed a
 few
  things. The box with the Ds center support says Febi and Germany We
  produce quality all over it. There is also a sticker that says made in
  CHINA.

 Didn't you hear that China bought Germany?

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Re: [MBZ] I saw another 350SD today

Well, the one I saw at the mech shop had a bad head, but apparently a
good block (so the list wisdom told me). I found an SDL at the
junkyard, supposedly ran OK, had not been picked apart, the guy bought
it from some dude in jail. I was thinking to get that engine, take the
head off it, put it on the really nice car at the mechs, maybe have
$1500 in the whole deal, but fear for my life kept me from attempting
that. These were 126s, SDs not SDLs.

--R

Donald Snook wrote:

Rich wrote: I saw one of these sitting at a mechanic shop, had a blown head
gasket,
thought about buying it cheap but didn't (and I am therefore still among
the living). Saw another one today, a white one. I thought that
interesting since so few were produced or shipped here. Never had seen
one before the one that was sick, so this is the second one.

Here's one here in Wichita. I am assuming you are talking about the 126
version not the 140.

http://www.eurotechsaab.com/VehicleDetails/491708353

I looked at this one (I didn't drive it). I just walked around it. Looks
pretty nice. Paint is okay, with some small flaws in several places, generally
just tired paint. Interior looks VERY nice. It has sheepskins, so I don't
know what the front seats look like. 135K miles is very low.

The only thing it says on price is: Call us for price.

BUT, remember what Marshall said about these cars, unless it has a Mercedes
Factory Rebuilt engine, it is just a matter of time till it fails. Some of the
haven't failed, yet, but they will and when they do, look out.

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Re: [MBZ] CL FIND OF THE DAY $2K '79 450SL

2009-09-10 Thread Tim C

There's a $1500 '82 380SL on the Charlotte CL (Lincolnton NC), looks
nice but the fellow replaced the EFI with a carb.  There was a $1K '76
450SL in Salisbury with modest rust and a good engine.  Took forever
for the guy to get rid of that one, not sure if he sold it or got
tired of listing it, I posted on it a month or two ago.  There's
currently a $500 '72 450SL in King.  Parts car, would be a total
rebuild.  There's a $2K '81 280SL in Chapel Hill, manual I think, that
runs; that one made it onto my personal short list.  There's a
fellow in Mount Holly that wants to (partial?) trade an MB diesel for
his running '76 450SL, asking $3200 otherwise; that one is on my list
too.  Which reminds me I need to get back to him...

Oddly, none of these cars is more than a couple hours from me, but the
locals on the Raleigh CL want 3-5 times as much, except the $2.5K
engine needs work jumped time 380 out in BFE.  Crazy.  Anyway, that
to say they seem to be crawling out of the woodwork this fall, IMO a
pretty strong buyer's market.  You just have to convince the seller of
it. :)

By way of checklists, I liked the following link for brevity:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050920084427/http://hometown.aol.com/dquinn5735/buylist.html

There are others but this one, along with the model year differences
from Jim Cathey's old post (mail-archive.com), was the most
immediately useful to me.

Best,
-Tim


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:
 Thanks Jim, that is the name I was looking for.

 Max

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL FIND OF THE DAY $2K '79 450SL

 The Evil Chrysler ACC From Hell:  hasn't someone engineered a better
 solution, a bit pricey for the initial cost but more reliable/less
 expensive over the long term?

 Unwired tools.  Yes.

 Also, doesn't this year have the cat. converters under the hood, which

 cooks all the rubber bits?

 No.  That was only 2 years, and 76 was one of them.

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Re: [MBZ] screens and knobs

2009-09-10 Thread RELNGSON

..But every screen-based control system I've seen requires that you look
at it to know which menu option you're choosing---taking your eyes off the
road for a significant amount of time.

The shorcomings of the BMW IDrive are well known by now since no one has
ever said anything good about it in print. But, many of those critics have
said that the Mercedes version has taken note of all the design mistakes BMW
made and has designed the latest Comand system to avoid them. I'm referring to
the redesigned Comand (made by Mitsubishi Electronics) found in the W221,
W212 and W204 plus at least some of the SUVs. The previous versions
(W211/W220 etc.) were clunky and not very user friendly. Nor very relaible.

Now that I have been using MB's latest Comand in my C300 for almost two
years, I can say that after a short learning period, I have found it very easy
to use. Further, the fold-out screen is at almost dashtop height and I would
not call it distracting.

If you look at nearly all past MB models before 2001, you will find the
radio down at the bottom of the center stack just above the ashtray where a
driver REALLY has to take his eyes off the road to make changes.

Further, MB's voice control of functions can be used (knowing what to say)
to avoid button pushing if you want to use it. Many of the functions of the
central control knob (just ahead of the armrest) are duplicated on the face
of the Multimedia unit for simple changes. For example, repeatedly pushing
the uppermost left button cycles between AM, FM, Sirius, and weather bands.
As one example. Those fearful (terrorstricken, bulging eyes, sweating etc.)
of all those electronics can take comfort in that reliability is the norm,
not just dumb luck.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] screens and knobs

2009-09-10 Thread Mountain Man

I thought we were supposed to drive cars - not mess with navigation
instruments, navigation software, entertainment instruments,
entertainment software, communication instruments, communication
software, climate control instruments, climate control software.
Gimme a satisfying car to drive to my destination - I'm on.  Trash the
other gibberish.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] screens and knobs

2009-09-10 Thread Mountain Man

 Gimme a satisfying car to drive to my destination - I'm on.  Trash the
 other gibberish.

I mean, we're not playing games.
Driving is a life/death endeavor.
Drive - nothing else.  Fuggetabout all the gizmo - drive.
mao

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