Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
So how does it get the energy to extract hydrogen from the water. Diesel fuel to operate the engine to turn an alternator to get electricity to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen? You can't get something for nothing. It's either something of a catalyst, or it's worthless. (If it modified the fuel combustion rate to allow more energy to be extracted, that is. I know it's not a catalyst, it's consumed during combustion.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead Gump starter
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:11:16 -0800 Redghost wrote: > In the process of extraction, the throttle linkage rod below the > manifold decided to no longer grip the ball with its socket. Been > popping it back on every few block, but need a more permanent > solution. Zip ties? C-clamp? See the message at the bottom of each email: > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com Send Kaleb an email and get another one. (Or if you're feeling really flush, call Rusty at (800) 741-5252.) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This might interest some folks here
Cool! thanks --- On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > I know there are some electronics tinkerers on this list... > > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=305 > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > > -- > OK Don aka KD5NRO > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:25:34 -0800 (PST) "Tyler" wrote: > it seems like mostly "random error," probably from the pump shutting off > at different levels. If you fill it so you see fuel standing in the fill pipe after having bounced the rear end of the car several times to get the bubbles out, you will have a very consistent fill. I've done that since 1972. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:58:19 -0600 OK Don wrote: > Marshall had stated that a fair amount of crap in the intake system has > little to no effect on the operation of the engine, due to the excess of > air provided by the turbo. I don't know if this is true for a NA engine, > and the NA 606 might well be a special catagory No, it would not be true for an NA engine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
So how does it get the energy to extract hydrogen from the water. Diesel fuel to operate the engine to turn an alternator to get electricity to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen? You can't get something for nothing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "tom tomscat" To: "mercedes diesel" Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid? http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1449566980.html First I heard of this. No affiliation, etc. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of BMWs _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
I think they take some electricity off the alternator and make some small bit of hydrogen by electrolysis then pump it back into the engine. Don't know if they stick the oxygen back in too. TANSTAAFL --R tom tomscat wrote: http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1449566980.html First I heard of this. No affiliation, etc. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of BMWs _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '92 300D Axels
The '92 300D has started making clacking noises from the rear (left, I think) in turns, sometimes while accelerating, sometimes while deccelerating, but mostly in turns. I can't see without jacking it up, but I don't remember the CV boots being torn. Never the less, I suspect this means that at least one CV is bad. They have 338,110 miles, so I guess that's a fair amount of life. Kaleb, have a pair of axels? How much? -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] This might interest some folks here
I know there are some electronics tinkerers on this list... http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=305 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Goodies auction
Found a few interesting cars on the lot for an upcoming auction. http://www.murphyauctions.net/kenmore09dec.html 2000 MERCEDES BENZ E320, 6 cyl, auto, p/s, p/b, a/c, cruise, p/wdw, p/ seat, p/lock, sunroof • 1968 DODGE CHARGER, V8, auto, p/s, p/b • 1929 FORD MODEL A, 4 cyl, 3 spd The charger has a spot of rust, the ford is in really good shape. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1449566980.html First I heard of this. No affiliation, etc. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of BMWs _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:08 AM, LarryT wrote: > Andrew wrote <> I > assume you meant "none" instead of "on". > > I disagree - someone will come up with a business model that everyone will > flock to - if someone finds a way to prevent abuse by flaky bidders and > people will flock to them. eBay doesn't have to improve their business model, or worry about others', as long as they enjoy the tremendous name recognition that they do now. I have noticed that among a majority of the non-techno-geeky people that I know, eBay is literally synonymous with online shopping---it's the first and the last place they go to buy anything, and it never occurs to them to look anywhere else. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] accuracy
> I think you're right- MBs from the factory have well calibrated > odometers. Mostly, they only get off if a different diameter tire is used. > Most > other makes of car aren't so accurate, however... > Odometers are required by federal law to be accurate within a very small percentage (I'm not going to bother looking it up) because of a court decision decades ago over inaccurate rental car odometers resulting in overcharges. This goes back to when miles were charged in addition to days. My Porsche's odo is spot on with the correct size tires checked vs the Highway Dept. ten mile odo check locations. The C300's electronic odo and speedo are also accurate. RLE/Seattle > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
Some rental places will have them, too. The really big ones are used for fire restoration in houses. And yes, ozone will rapidly degrade rubber and plastics. Not something you want to overdue. Dan --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Allan Streib wrote: From: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin" writes: > Yea, I have seen dealers and detailers use these. Wonder where a guy > could get one. Try a rental store, people use them when they are drying out flooded basements. Ozone will eventually degrade rubber and plastic, so don't leave it in the car sealed up for too long. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
"Kaleb C. Striplin" writes: > Yea, I have seen dealers and detailers use these. Wonder where a guy > could get one. Try a rental store, people use them when they are drying out flooded basements. Ozone will eventually degrade rubber and plastic, so don't leave it in the car sealed up for too long. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead Gump starter
Assuming a 115 is somewhat like a 123 you need a new throttle linkage ball end. I had one fail on Hammie on the highway. I had a piece of wire for a temporary get off the highway fix, then extracted an end from one of the rods for the cruise control (which doesn't work anyway) to replace the bad one. Next Rusty order I'll get a couple. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:11:16 -0800 From: Redghost Subject: [MBZ] Dead Gump starter To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I do so love my idiot child. While I was out with the flu, he chose to drive himself to school in Gump. He was quite unconcerned with a hard start issue that turns out to have been the cable from the start knob having fallen off. In his negligence, he killed the battery and fried the starter by cranking and cranking until he got it to light off. For a week or so. By the time I was able to roust myself from my sickbed, the damage was done, but I did not learn the full extent until just this past week. I put the cable back on last month, and wondered why the starter would whine so when I would start Gump. Was it related to the installation of freshened injectors? There was a knock now, maybe Nope, it was the slow, excruciating death of the starter. The five year old battery would no longer hold enough charge to glow and start Gump. With a fresh battery install, there was plenty of glow, but not enough spin of the starter. Wires checked out fine. So, off to source a starter. I think the starter is not meant to really be changed. It is large, heavy, and takes a circuitous path to extricate. Nearly brained myself with it as it finally came out between the firewall and the exhaust. Rather like birthing a baby. Except, you have to reverse it all to get a fresh one in. In the process of extraction, the throttle linkage rod below the manifold decided to no longer grip the ball with its socket. Been popping it back on every few block, but need a more permanent solution. Zip ties? C-clamp? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
CL is just online classifieds right? AFAIK they don't give sellers any tools and buyers are not registered at all. That's certainly simple especially compared to ebay; is there some middle ground that would be prefereable from a seller's standpoint? I assume some way to have an idea of other seller's past experience with a buyer would be helpful. Allan "Kaleb C. Striplin" writes: > that is true, so I am sure its just a matter of time before the screw > that up as well. > > Richard Hattaway wrote: >> I understand CL is at least partially owned by the fleabay folks. >> >> >> >> -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > BTW, you really dated yourself when you said Dodge Dart. > Fiat's current plans for Chrysler, according to the car rags, include a replacement for the Avenger/Sebring on either a shortened Charger platform (M-B content: retaining the rear suspension and control layout) or a midsize Alfa Romeo platform. I wish they would call it the Dart, but then I also wish they'd badge the Fiat 500 Abarth when it gets here as the Omni GLH. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure
I put new valve seals on my old SDL at 300K, along with a new chain. I unbolted the cam and left the sprocket in the chain, then very carefully changed seals on the 2 cyl that were tcd, then turned the crank 120 degrees, did the next 2 cyl, turned 120 degrees and did the final 2 cyl. then rotate 360 degrees, put the cam back in, break the chain and roll in a new chain. Yes, you have to hold the sprocket up with a dowel or something while you rotate the engine. Works best with 4 hands or two people. It is not that bad of a job. Hardest thing is fishing out the hydraulic lifters. On 11/23/09 6:58 PM, OK Don wrote: Marshall had stated that a fair amount of crap in the intake system has little to no effect on the operation of the engine, due to the excess of air provided by the turbo. I don't know if this is true for a NA engine, and the NA 606 might well be a special catagory --- On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Some have suggesting taking the intake to a machine shop for them to clean in a tank, and I believe the cost is reasonable. I may try that if I decide to have the '95's intake cleaned. I had to get a used intake for my '87 from PGA, and it came fairly clean. I decided to try to finish the job with brake cleaner, brushes and rags, and it took a LOT longer than I thought it would. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure I wonder what's the easiest/best way to clean the intakes - probably the old fashioned "messy-by-hand method" using lots of rags and any kind of cleaner that works. Anyone have a better method? I'm guessing a bead blaster might be helpful? LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
Hi Tyler, You wrote: (Odometers are generally not very accurate) Maybe I've been lucky. The odo on my '91 300D seems to be very consistent. SO I guess it could b consistently wrong but my mileage is always between 29 and 31 mpg. I think the delta is from additives in the fuel provided by the fuel co. and perhaps some minor difference in the "Off" moment (when the nozzle shuts the flow off). LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Tyler" Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:25 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800 In my experience, even people whom know how to divide correctly and keep track of distance and volume generally get the economy wrong by 20% or more. Odometers are generally not very accurate, and there isn't much consistency between the full tank shutoff at gas stations. Both of my cars will often have a huge discrepancy between the odometer miles/gallons from a particular fill and the more accurate calculation from a long term average across multiple tanks of fuel, and using a correction factor for the odometer. A good illustration of this is on fuelly.com. Here is the page for the 190D (the '87 is mine): http://www.fuelly.com/car/mercedes-benz/190d There are 4 190Ds, and you will see that they all seem to vary by about 5mpg between tanks. With my own car, I've tried adjusting this for fuel quality and the type of driving, and found that it doesn't change the variation much- it seems like mostly "random error," probably from the pump shutting off at different levels. Tyler You're giving him a lot of credit. Its usually "I drove about 100 miles (meaning 80) and put in about 5 gallons of fuel (meaning 5.8) so thats about 45mpg" Very few people even really know how to calculate mpg, never mind bothering to use real numbers. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
Yea, I have seen dealers and detailers use these. Wonder where a guy could get one. dave walton wrote: Ozone does a decent job of breaking down things that cause odors. They sell air cleaners that use a shielded UV lamp with a small fan to circulate air, or that use an electrical discharge. Nothing beats elbow grease to wipe down everything and extract the carpet. The ozone gets into the duct work and other places you can't get to with a rag. A buddy used them in his cleaning company. Over a few days they got rid of most of the lingering toasty smell from fire restorations and the dead body smell from crime scene cleanups. If nothing else, they will make it smell like ozone for a while. France used to use Ozone for water purification instead of Chlorine. Not sure if they still do. -Dave Walton -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure
Marshall had stated that a fair amount of crap in the intake system has little to no effect on the operation of the engine, due to the excess of air provided by the turbo. I don't know if this is true for a NA engine, and the NA 606 might well be a special catagory --- On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > Some have suggesting taking the intake to a machine shop for them to > clean in a tank, and I believe the cost is reasonable. I may try that > if I decide to have the '95's intake cleaned. I had to get a used > intake for my '87 from PGA, and it came fairly clean. I decided to try > to finish the job with brake cleaner, brushes and rags, and it took a > LOT longer than I thought it would. > > Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:20 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure > > I wonder what's the easiest/best way to clean the intakes - probably the > old fashioned "messy-by-hand method" using lots of rags and any kind of > cleaner that works. > Anyone have a better method? I'm guessing a bead blaster might be > helpful? > > LarryT > 91 300D > > OilAnalysis Time? > Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? > www.youroil.net > > > > -- > OK Don > CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as > distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with > others. > The Devil's Dictionary > Ambrose Bierce > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
thanks Tyler wrote: Kaleb, I've had good luck with warm water very saturated with comet, and a sponge. The comet contains bleach and will remove all of the mold and smell, but isn't strong enough to ruin the interior. Wipe down every surface with it, and then come back with clean warm water to remove the comet residue. This has worked well for me on some "field finds" that were very moldy. Tyler So this 87 TD I have sitting around is like a greenhouse. Its been sitting under a tree in the back for a while, and I knew it leaked a little water anyway, I think its leaking from the sunroof maybe. Anyway, I have not even gone out to look at it in a while, and I opened it up, and it smells BAD, everything inside is coated with that moldy crap, water condensation on all of the inside glass, even the speedo will have to be removed and cleaned up. This car is NASTY. I threw a battery in it and fired it up and moved it out into the open, cracked the only window that works to see if it will dry/air out a bit. When I do finally get around to getting this car on the road, anybody got any ideas on how to get rid of that musty moldy smell and return it back to smelling like a MB? I have several cars like this but this one is by far the worse at the moment. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.77/2520 - Release Date: 11/22/09 13:40:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
25% of CL, to be exact. Dan Sent from my iPod On Nov 23, 2009, at 6:20 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: that is true, so I am sure its just a matter of time before the screw that up as well. Richard Hattaway wrote: I understand CL is at least partially owned by the fleabay folks. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dead Gump starter
I do so love my idiot child. While I was out with the flu, he chose to drive himself to school in Gump. He was quite unconcerned with a hard start issue that turns out to have been the cable from the start knob having fallen off. In his negligence, he killed the battery and fried the starter by cranking and cranking until he got it to light off. For a week or so. By the time I was able to roust myself from my sickbed, the damage was done, but I did not learn the full extent until just this past week. I put the cable back on last month, and wondered why the starter would whine so when I would start Gump. Was it related to the installation of freshened injectors? There was a knock now, maybe Nope, it was the slow, excruciating death of the starter. The five year old battery would no longer hold enough charge to glow and start Gump. With a fresh battery install, there was plenty of glow, but not enough spin of the starter. Wires checked out fine. So, off to source a starter. I think the starter is not meant to really be changed. It is large, heavy, and takes a circuitous path to extricate. Nearly brained myself with it as it finally came out between the firewall and the exhaust. Rather like birthing a baby. Except, you have to reverse it all to get a fresh one in. In the process of extraction, the throttle linkage rod below the manifold decided to no longer grip the ball with its socket. Been popping it back on every few block, but need a more permanent solution. Zip ties? C-clamp? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [Fwd: Underwater Birth]
-- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Birthunderwater.pps Type: application/octet-stream Size: 83968 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091123/64127fe5/attachment.obj> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Oh boy that was funny. BTW, you really dated yourself when you said Dodge Dart. andrew strasfogel wrote: I guess I need to tell my fishing story (not Benz related). Between end of exams and commencement in my senior year at college, my roommate and I borrowed the other roommate's Dodge Dart for a trip up to Maine from Boston. We went deep sea fishing on the last day, caught a bunch of haddock and iced them in a plastic bag. It was wicked hot, as they say, and the ice melted. My roommate was driving along 95 on the way back, and he loved to tailgate and then slam on the brakes. Each time he did this, ice water sloshed onto my feet from the fish bag. When we got back, we extracted the bag o fish and returned the vehicle to the owner, who put the car in the lot. The car smelled a little ripe, and I figured that the fishy water was probably the cause but that this would go away. A few days later, after commencement, he and his family drove back to Ohio. They noticed a really bad smell, and got as far as NY State when the stench just got too much to bear. They pulled over, and Chris searched to see what was causing the vile odor. He discovered a haddock under the front passenger seat. Despite this, we are still friends... Andrew -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
I think you're right- MBs from the factory have well calibrated odometers. Mostly, they only get off if a different diameter tire is used. Most other makes of car aren't so accurate, however... Tyler > Dory is mine... > > For 3 different cars the 3 '85s are remarkably consistant. > > I have another ~80,000 miles of data for mine that I've never bothered to > put on fuelly. > I think your premise on odometers at least in regard to MBs is wrong. I've > done many tests with mine against my GPS and its spot on as is the speedo, > my 240D is the same way. > > I agree that not all pumps are the same, I'd also say that not all fuel > has the same BTUs and of course conditions change... > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
that is true, so I am sure its just a matter of time before the screw that up as well. Richard Hattaway wrote: I understand CL is at least partially owned by the fleabay folks. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
My Ranger does as you describe (against speed signs and a variety of GPSs) my MBs do not. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:49:35 -0500 From: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The speedo in my '83 300D definitely reads several MPH above actual speed. Several different radar-equipped speed-limit signs in town (the kind that show your actual speed on a display under the limit sign) confirm this, I can drive past one with the speedo at 33 - 34 MPH and the sign will read 29 or 30 MPH. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
Dory is mine... For 3 different cars the 3 '85s are remarkably consistant. I have another ~80,000 miles of data for mine that I've never bothered to put on fuelly. I think your premise on odometers at least in regard to MBs is wrong. I've done many tests with mine against my GPS and its spot on as is the speedo, my 240D is the same way. I agree that not all pumps are the same, I'd also say that not all fuel has the same BTUs and of course conditions change... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Tyler" Subject: Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800 To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <57349.138.23.58.253.1259011534.squir...@webmail.usermail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 In my experience, even people whom know how to divide correctly and keep track of distance and volume generally get the economy wrong by 20% or more. Odometers are generally not very accurate, and there isn't much consistency between the full tank shutoff at gas stations. Both of my cars will often have a huge discrepancy between the odometer miles/gallons from a particular fill and the more accurate calculation from a long term average across multiple tanks of fuel, and using a correction factor for the odometer. A good illustration of this is on fuelly.com. Here is the page for the 190D (the '87 is mine): http://www.fuelly.com/car/mercedes-benz/190d There are 4 190Ds, and you will see that they all seem to vary by about 5mpg between tanks. With my own car, I've tried adjusting this for fuel quality and the type of driving, and found that it doesn't change the variation much- it seems like mostly "random error," probably from the pump shutting off at different levels. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
"P. Prud'homme" writes: > Hello there, It is time to replace the brakes on my 1981 300D. I am > looking at PBR rotors with either Pagid or Textar pads. What would you > suggest? Thank you. I just installed Balo rotors and Akebono pads, and very happy with them. The Akebonos are not cheap, but come very highly recommended. And over the lifetime of the pads the difference in cost is really negligible. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
The speedo in my '83 300D definitely reads several MPH above actual speed. Several different radar-equipped speed-limit signs in town (the kind that show your actual speed on a display under the limit sign) confirm this, I can drive past one with the speedo at 33 - 34 MPH and the sign will read 29 or 30 MPH. Allan andrew strasfogel writes: > I sensed that my speedometer was "off" so I tested it yesterday. I drove at > 60mph for exactly one mile in cruise control and checked my watch - a little > more than a minute. I tried this for several miles to verify the error, and > sure enough, the speedometer was reading too HIGH. Even at 66 mph I barely > made a mile a minute. The car is a1985 300TD with its original speedometer, > tires are 205 70 14s and the transmission is form a 1985 300TD. Could > either the tire size or replacement transmission have effected anything? > The rear axle and differential are original AFAIK. > > So should I have the speedometer recalibrated or replace it with one from an > 85 W123 turbo diesel?? Or should I just enjoy the illusion of driving > really fast (e.g., 80 when it's more like only 72 mph)? > > Andrew > 1983 300TD, 322 k miles (approximately) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Gasoline Prices]
** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a "non-proportional" font, e.g. courier) ** RETAIL GASOLINE: (Self Service Prices per Gallon, Including Taxes) This report contains price estimates for gasoline sold in ozone non-attainment areas which require the sale of reformulated gasoline (RFG) as designated by the Environmental Protection Agency, and Conventional areas which includes both attainment areas and carbon monoxide non-attainment areas. Mogas web site url http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/fwd/wrgp.html --- 2009 --- Date10/5 10/12 10/19 10/26 11/211/9 11/16 11/23 National Price - All Grades Average 2.523 2.543 2.626 2.727 2.746 2.720 2.684 2.694 Conventional Areas 2.446 2.480 2.580 2.691 2.710 2.678 2.638 2.655 RFG Areas 2.681 2.670 2.719 2.800 2.822 2.805 2.778 2.773 National Price - Regular Average 2.468 2.489 2.574 2.674 2.694 2.666 2.629 2.639 Conventional Areas 2.396 2.432 2.532 2.641 2.660 2.627 2.585 2.603 RFG Areas 2.621 2.611 2.663 2.744 2.766 2.748 2.720 2.714 National Price - Midgrade Average 2.600 2.614 2.694 2.792 2.812 2.787 2.755 2.764 Conventional Areas 2.502 2.532 2.633 2.744 2.764 2.733 2.697 2.713 RFG Areas 2.788 2.774 2.812 2.886 2.907 2.891 2.867 2.862 National Price - Premium Average 2.711 2.727 2.807 2.909 2.930 2.908 2.877 2.883 Conventional Areas 2.634 2.665 2.763 2.878 2.897 2.871 2.835 2.846 RFG Areas 2.853 2.841 2.887 2.968 2.991 2.977 2.955 2.951 ++ All GradesDate10/5 10/12 10/19 10/26 11/211/9 11/16 11/23 ++ PADD 1 - East Coast Average 2.484 2.486 2.592 2.719 2.743 2.731 2.705 2.704 Conventional Areas 2.461 2.475 2.600 2.734 2.750 2.734 2.704 2.705 RFG Areas 2.521 2.504 2.580 2.695 2.733 2.725 2.708 2.703 PADD 1a - New England Average 2.569 2.536 2.595 2.715 2.750 2.742 2.730 2.725 Conventional Areas 2.587 2.565 2.644 2.757 2.782 2.773 2.764 2.766 RFG Areas 2.565 2.529 2.582 2.704 2.742 2.735 2.721 2.714 PADD 1b - Central Atlantic Average 2.551 2.537 2.630 2.741 2.777 2.772 2.755 2.748 Conventional Areas 2.592 2.585 2.697 2.811 2.841 2.837 2.823 2.810 RFG Areas 2.526 2.507 2.588 2.698 2.737 2.731 2.713 2.710 PADD 1c - Lower Atlantic Average 2.410 2.434 2.564 2.704 2.717 2.697 2.661 2.666 Conventional Areas 2.413 2.436 2.567 2.708 2.720 2.700 2.663 2.669 RFG Areas 2.381 2.418 2.526 2.657 2.684 2.664 2.641 2.637 PADD 2 - Midwest Average 2.393 2.474 2.574 2.690 2.705 2.648 2.579 2.616 Conventional Areas 2.384 2.464 2.562 2.673 2.691 2.635 2.567 2.607 RFG Areas 2.450 2.533 2.651 2.802 2.796 2.729 2.653 2.676 PADD 3 - Gulf Coast Average 2.344 2.373 2.494 2.603 2.619 2.586 2.557 2.566 Conventional Areas 2.357 2.382 2.505 2.610 2.624 2.592 2.565 2.576 RFG Areas 2.301 2.345 2.458 2.581 2.603 2.566 2.531 2.532 PADD 4 - Rocky Mountain Conventional Areas 2.553 2.532 2.565 2.626 2.653 2.651 2.649 2.632 PADD 5 - West Coast Average 2.997 2.947 2.924 2.940 2.960 2.957 2.944 2.932 Conventional Areas 2.841 2.793 2.772 2.817 2.861 2.860 2.861 2.866 RFG Areas 3.060 3.010 2.986 2.990 3.001 2.996 2.977 2.959 PADD 5b - West Coast less CA Average 2.778 2.733 2.716 2.765 2.820 2.823 2.823 2.828 Conventional Areas 2.841 2.793 2.772 2.817 2.861 2.860 2.861 2.866 RFG Areas 2.478 2.446 2.449 2.518 2.626 2.642 2.639 2.645 California RFG Areas 3.115 3.062 3.036 3.034 3.036 3.029 3.009 2.989 Colorado Conventional Areas 2.405 2.398 2.485 2.604 2.637 2.620 2.591 2.572 Florida Conventional Areas 2.449 2.486 2.612
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
In my experience, even people whom know how to divide correctly and keep track of distance and volume generally get the economy wrong by 20% or more. Odometers are generally not very accurate, and there isn't much consistency between the full tank shutoff at gas stations. Both of my cars will often have a huge discrepancy between the odometer miles/gallons from a particular fill and the more accurate calculation from a long term average across multiple tanks of fuel, and using a correction factor for the odometer. A good illustration of this is on fuelly.com. Here is the page for the 190D (the '87 is mine): http://www.fuelly.com/car/mercedes-benz/190d There are 4 190Ds, and you will see that they all seem to vary by about 5mpg between tanks. With my own car, I've tried adjusting this for fuel quality and the type of driving, and found that it doesn't change the variation much- it seems like mostly "random error," probably from the pump shutting off at different levels. Tyler > You're giving him a lot of credit. Its usually "I drove about 100 miles > (meaning 80) and put in about 5 gallons of fuel (meaning 5.8) so thats > about 45mpg" > > Very few people even really know how to calculate mpg, never mind > bothering to use real numbers. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]
** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a "non-proportional" font, e.g. courier) ** On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp Average All Types US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATE AVGCOAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADDPADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 091123 2.787 2.803 2.868 2.907 2.753 2.762 2.738 2.825 2.896 2.954 091116 2.790 2.808 2.868 2.912 2.759 2.769 2.733 2.820 2.899 2.964 091109 2.801 2.821 2.866 2.926 2.772 2.779 2.746 2.823 2.909 2.972 091102 2.808 2.834 2.878 2.940 2.785 2.786 2.749 2.810 2.910 2.974 091026 2.801 2.819 2.843 2.923 2.773 2.790 2.740 2.776 2.904 2.968 091019 2.705 2.716 2.752 2.831 2.664 2.693 2.644 2.704 2.822 2.874 091012 2.600 2.610 2.690 2.723 2.554 2.581 2.530 2.650 2.732 2.791 091005 2.582 2.586 2.686 2.698 2.529 2.561 2.518 2.645 2.722 2.792 090928 2.601 2.607 2.703 2.714 2.552 2.585 2.525 2.658 2.742 2.807 090921 2.622 2.631 2.708 2.738 2.578 2.598 2.542 2.678 2.783 2.827 090914 2.634 2.650 2.720 2.755 2.599 2.607 2.555 2.683 2.795 2.847 090907 2.647 2.658 2.729 2.768 2.604 2.628 2.575 2.682 2.786 2.866 090831 2.674 2.691 2.742 2.779 2.649 2.649 2.618 2.692 2.802 2.893 090824 2.668 2.692 2.741 2.781 2.649 2.637 2.622 2.671 2.785 2.880 090817 2.652 2.687 2.739 2.771 2.646 2.623 2.607 2.633 2.744 2.872 090810 2.625 2.665 2.701 2.755 2.624 2.601 2.581 2.573 2.700 2.842 090803 2.550 2.579 2.637 2.671 2.535 2.520 2.513 2.537 2.643 2.763 090727 2.528 2.550 2.613 2.643 2.505 2.500 2.493 2.540 2.617 2.720 090720 2.496 2.514 2.600 2.630 2.456 2.470 2.443 2.559 2.595 2.703 090713 2.542 2.559 2.623 2.663 2.508 2.512 2.494 2.619 2.641 2.727 090706 2.594 2.609 2.656 2.714 2.560 2.565 2.547 2.648 2.706 2.787 090629 2.608 2.629 2.666 2.726 2.584 2.578 2.569 2.631 2.712 2.785 090622 2.616 2.634 2.670 2.730 2.590 2.587 2.583 2.614 2.720 2.789 090615 2.572 2.601 2.651 2.696 2.556 2.546 2.543 2.520 2.655 2.734 090608 2.498 2.516 2.566 2.619 2.468 2.474 2.474 2.442 2.603 2.676 090601 2.352 2.369 2.438 2.457 2.326 2.322 2.323 2.343 2.460 2.502 090525 2.274 2.305 2.409 2.410 2.251 2.229 2.242 2.302 2.384 2.407 090518 2.231 2.276 2.401 2.396 2.213 2.170 2.210 2.274 2.340 2.354 090511 2.216 2.255 2.395 2.386 2.186 2.156 2.198 2.270 2.329 2.337 090504 2.185 2.226 2.382 2.365 2.152 2.124 2.153 2.262 2.306 2.316 090427 2.201 2.241 2.395 2.374 2.171 2.142 2.171 2.270 2.315 2.320 090420 2.221 2.264 2.403 2.392 2.197 2.166 2.186 2.274 2.327 2.340 090413 2.229 2.273 2.420 2.402 2.204 2.175 2.202 2.250 2.336 2.350 090406 2.228 2.279 2.429 2.419 2.205 2.178 2.210 2.213 2.311 2.335 090330 2.221 2.281 2.424 2.399 2.218 2.176 2.203 2.146 2.282 2.297 090323 2.090 2.166 2.403 2.315 2.081 2.038 2.060 2.036 2.150 2.129 090316 2.017 2.093 2.403 2.254 1.995 1.965 1.973 1.988 2.091 2.049 090309 2.045 2.122 2.434 2.287 2.022 1.988 2.006 2.017 2.120 2.075 090302 2.087 2.153 2.472 2.314 2.055 2.030 2.043 2.091 2.185 2.144 090223 2.130 2.199 2.514 2.368 2.098 2.071 2.074 2.158 2.238 2.219 090216 2.186 2.250 2.559 2.420 2.148 2.137 2.133 2.183 2.284 2.262 090209 2.219 2.296 2.576 2.450 2.205 2.173 2.156 2.211 2.292 2.269 090202 2.246 2.325 2.583 2.484 2.233 2.201 2.189 2.229 2.303 2.288 090126 2.268 2.344 2.595 2.490 2.258 2.232 2.202 2.243 2.319 2.296 090119 2.2
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
Yeah, my wife tends to fudge prices a bit - as in that shirt was $19.99 according to the tag - but according to my wonderful wife it was $19. She always rounds so it's in her favor. ;-) Of course, she put up with me for 41+ years LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Curt Raymond" Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:31 AM To: "Diesel List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800 You're giving him a lot of credit. Its usually "I drove about 100 miles (meaning 80) and put in about 5 gallons of fuel (meaning 5.8) so thats about 45mpg" Very few people even really know how to calculate mpg, never mind bothering to use real numbers. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:34:32 -0500 From: "LarryT" Subject: Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800 To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <4193d554b3dc43eca14226c7928de...@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Given most of their lack of ability with basic English usage when writing ads for ebay and craigs , I would be suspicious of their math skills as well. "Let's see, I drove 100 miles and put 5 gallons of diesel in it - yeah, that sounds about like 45 mpg." Oh well... LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
Move the needle (for example if your speedometer is 5 mph fast, move the needle position about 5 mph counterclockwise), push back onto the axle, then lift back over the stop. Install speedometer in cluster, cluster in car. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD Max, do I move the needle or the stop? Otherwise, the needle will rest below the stop. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > Less than five cents to fix. Determine exactly how much it is off at > your favorite cruising speed. Pull the speedometer, lift the end of > the needle over the stop at zero. Once the needle comes to rest, mark > position. Pull needle off, move to new 'correct' position and push it > back on. Put all back in place, road test to confirm, repeat as > necessary. Marshall is, I think, my source of this fix. I've used it > exactly once with great success. > > Max > > > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:49 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD > > I sensed that my speedometer was "off" so I tested it yesterday. I > drove at 60mph for exactly one mile in cruise control and checked my > watch - a little more than a minute. I tried this for several miles > to verify the error, and sure enough, the speedometer was reading too HIGH. > Even at 66 mph I barely made a mile a minute. The car is a1985 300TD > with its original speedometer, tires are 205 70 14s and the > transmission is form a 1985 300TD. Could either the tire size or > replacement transmission have effected anything? > The rear axle and differential are original AFAIK. > > So should I have the speedometer recalibrated or replace it with one > from an > 85 W123 turbo diesel?? Or should I just enjoy the illusion of driving > really fast (e.g., 80 when it's more like only 72 mph)? > > Andrew > 1983 300TD, 322 k miles (approximately) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This could be a great deal!
Thx for that - I never did fully grasp the vac system on my 79 240D. It's been a while since I worked on it and my memory (which often fails me) was the doors and locks were on separate systems. Sorry - evidently that was wrong ;-) LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:12 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] This could be a great deal! If we are talking about a 123 or earlier, any leak in the vacuum system, be it in the central locking, or ACC or anywhere else can cause it to not shut down. LarryT wrote: The seller wrote about a 'engine shut off' problem that was> IMO the only vac lines that affect shutoff and start up are the 2 lines between the ign sw and the shutoff valve on the IP. Also if it's an easy fix why not fix it and not have to list it as a problem? I would also worry about a Garret turbo charger being added. Like kit cars, stuff like this can vary widely in quality of workmanship. Anyway - have a nice week - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:44 AM To: Subject: [MBZ] This could be a great deal! http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/1458818034.html I wonder how long it will take Kaleb to get up here to Wichita. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
I think what he is saying, is determine how much you need to move the needle to get the correct speed (that is, say, 5 mph). Remove speedo, lift needle over stop, note where it sits, pull it off, put it back on so that it reads, say, 5 mph different at rest. Lift back over the stop, re-install, and see if it's reading correctly. This will not work if you have a drive gear/differential mis-match, I don't think, because the difference will be a percentage, not a fixed off-set. If the speedo is always off by the same amount at all speeds, this is the fix. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
Max, do I move the needle or the stop? Otherwise, the needle will rest below the stop. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > Less than five cents to fix. Determine exactly how much it is off at > your favorite cruising speed. Pull the speedometer, lift the end of the > needle over the stop at zero. Once the needle comes to rest, mark > position. Pull needle off, move to new 'correct' position and push it > back on. Put all back in place, road test to confirm, repeat as > necessary. Marshall is, I think, my source of this fix. I've used it > exactly once with great success. > > Max > > > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:49 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD > > I sensed that my speedometer was "off" so I tested it yesterday. I > drove at 60mph for exactly one mile in cruise control and checked my > watch - a little more than a minute. I tried this for several miles to > verify the error, and sure enough, the speedometer was reading too HIGH. > Even at 66 mph I barely made a mile a minute. The car is a1985 300TD > with its original speedometer, tires are 205 70 14s and the transmission > is form a 1985 300TD. Could either the tire size or replacement > transmission have effected anything? > The rear axle and differential are original AFAIK. > > So should I have the speedometer recalibrated or replace it with one > from an > 85 W123 turbo diesel?? Or should I just enjoy the illusion of driving > really fast (e.g., 80 when it's more like only 72 mph)? > > Andrew > 1983 300TD, 322 k miles (approximately) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
I did this a coupla weeks ago on the TD that has a leaky sunroof, and here in the hot humid it tends to grow all kinds of flora. I got some of that orange cleaner and mixed in a bit of bleach then went at stuff with that mix. It cleans pretty well, smells pretty good, and the chlorine tends to repel further growth (though I did rinse it well with a wet cloth). The carpets and stuff will probably need to come out and be washed. --R Tyler wrote: Kaleb, I've had good luck with warm water very saturated with comet, and a sponge. The comet contains bleach and will remove all of the mold and smell, but isn't strong enough to ruin the interior. Wipe down every surface with it, and then come back with clean warm water to remove the comet residue. This has worked well for me on some "field finds" that were very moldy. Tyler So this 87 TD I have sitting around is like a greenhouse. Its been sitting under a tree in the back for a while, and I knew it leaked a little water anyway, I think its leaking from the sunroof maybe. Anyway, I have not even gone out to look at it in a while, and I opened it up, and it smells BAD, everything inside is coated with that moldy crap, water condensation on all of the inside glass, even the speedo will have to be removed and cleaned up. This car is NASTY. I threw a battery in it and fired it up and moved it out into the open, cracked the only window that works to see if it will dry/air out a bit. When I do finally get around to getting this car on the road, anybody got any ideas on how to get rid of that musty moldy smell and return it back to smelling like a MB? I have several cars like this but this one is by far the worse at the moment. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
OK, sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Friday was strange, usually my emails to the list hit my inbox within 3-5 minutes, but several never made it at all. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD I saw it the first time. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > Didn't go through the first time... > > >> __ >> From:Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 >> Sent:Friday, November 20, 2009 11:51 AM >> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' >> Subject: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD >> >> I'm looking for input on my oil level sender behavior. My wagon uses ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
andrew strasfogel wrote: The OEM tires were 195 X 70s vs. the 205X 70s I am currently driving on. Will this cause a 10 percent discrepancy in the apparent vehicle speed? No, that would make your speedo read 2% LOW. And Tire Rack agrees with you on the 195/70R14 stock tires. They were right about the 185R14 on my 300SD, so I assume things changed between 1979 and 1985. I was surprised to find that they do stock tires in 185R14. Continental snow tires for $75 each. If I drove a W116 in the winter, I wouldn't still be driving it 30 years after it was made. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
Kaleb, I've had good luck with warm water very saturated with comet, and a sponge. The comet contains bleach and will remove all of the mold and smell, but isn't strong enough to ruin the interior. Wipe down every surface with it, and then come back with clean warm water to remove the comet residue. This has worked well for me on some "field finds" that were very moldy. Tyler > So this 87 TD I have sitting around is like a greenhouse. Its been > sitting under a tree in the back for a while, and I knew it leaked a > little water anyway, I think its leaking from the sunroof maybe. > Anyway, I have not even gone out to look at it in a while, and I opened > it up, and it smells BAD, everything inside is coated with that moldy > crap, water condensation on all of the inside glass, even the speedo > will have to be removed and cleaned up. This car is NASTY. I threw a > battery in it and fired it up and moved it out into the open, cracked > the only window that works to see if it will dry/air out a bit. > > When I do finally get around to getting this car on the road, anybody > got any ideas on how to get rid of that musty moldy smell and return it > back to smelling like a MB? I have several cars like this but this one > is by far the worse at the moment. > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, > 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day...
When I was attending my college of ed. I was amazed at the amount of psychobabble that gushed from the faculty and grad students. My department chair kept pushing me to stay on after my undergrad degree and do some graduate work. I never really understood whether she was doing it because she felt I could make a contribution or she just wanted to keep the flow of grad students coming into the program (this was a very small department of 12-14 profs and about twice as many grad students.) While I admit it would have been moderately entertaining, I needed to earn a "real" living. Having been in the business world for some years prior to this, I found it rather easy to manipulate and/or comply with the expected norms within my department. In other words, I figured out how to play the system early on.. I probably could have done well had I stayed on, but in doing so, would have been living at or near the poverty level. With the cutbacks in funding that have taken place in the last few years I would most likely have been on the street right now, too. Dan --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 12:22 PM As one with advanced degrees from a "college of Education" within a university, I can say the quality of grad students getting advanced degrees in education was appalling. Aside from that, the indoctrination of new teachers consisted of just that, indoctrination in edubabble, (the ability to speak educanese, so as the parents will be intimidated and not question what is being taught, or how) indoctrination about all the latest fads that don't work, and nothing about critical thinking or methods that work. Mcguffie's reader, even the Dick and Jane books, and phonics and real math, along with real success and failure teaches kids to be citizens. That is something the "progressives" just don't want. When several of us caught a department chair plagiarizing grad student work, the college and university circled the wagons to silence those of us who knew about it, so as not to bring "embarrassment" to such a prestigious university. THe plagiarizing department chair was moved to a Michigan university and installed as a Dean. On 11/23/09 6:55 AM, LarryT wrote: > dieselhead wrote <> > > HAHA! I suspect the highly paid education administrators that do a lot of > the lesson development > are responsible for that. My daughter spent 2 years pursuing a education > degree. She then spent a few weeks > as a teaching assistant in a real school and decided she'd made a poor > choice. The kids are completely > undisciplined (and cannot be controlled), the lesson plans are prepared by > aforementioned administrators and she > decided to try something else. It was sad to see the spark of excitement > extinguished - she had wanted to be a teacher > for so long and it as crushed by a week of reality. But better then that > later. > > You're right about people judging others by what they say and write - like > the old adage goes - "you don't get a second chance to make a 1st impression." > > I was taught to read phonetically in SC then moved to Va when I was entering > the 6th grade. Va had been 'experimenting' with a new reading tool - kids > were taught to memorize words rather to than sound them out. > This meant only words already known could be read properly and easily. It > was agonizing to hear kids around me > read out loud in class as they progressed through jr high school and then to > high school and the osmosis never took affect for them. ;-\ They read like > 2nd graders all the way to HS graduation. No wonder they hated reading. > It's surprising any were able to learn anything else - each reading > assignment was awful for them. > > I have a pretty low opinion of the administrators who came up with this > nonsense. > > That's what our property tax money is used for - "experiments with the > futures of a generation". How incredibly stoopid. > > LarryT > 91 300D > > OilAnalysis Time? > Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? > www.youroil.net > > > > -- > From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:08 PM > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... > >> They tried the "spell it any way you want; It doesn't matter" crap on our >> kids 15-20 years ago in the "best in the state" schools. We told the kids >> it does matter, because people do judge you by the way you speak and write, >> especially if you want to have a good income. Both are good writers and >> speakers now. >> >> That kind of writing may be ok to Alsharpton but the original posing on this >> list is proof to me that spelling does matter. >> >> On 11/20/09
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
Thanks for the confirmation. I guess I'll have to solve the oil usage problem or live with it (add 1/2 quart as soon as the light starts winking. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD All of mine (603) have done that. By the time you need to add oil, the light stays on. I tried replacing the sender once, and it mad NO difference. Jim Cathey has it figured out, the circuitboard in the instrument cluster goes bad, and the time delay fails, so the light flashes off and on all the time. it is made so that it stays on all the time when the level is at the add mark. I have just learned to "tune out" the oil light. Not a good thing, but otherwise, as Max is finding out, it drives you crazy. On 11/23/09 8:14 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Oh I dont know about that, it might be the sender, I am just not sure. > The ones that it did that to me on may have had a bad sender as well. > I just never looked at replacing them. > > Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: >> Thanks Kaleb, sounds like mine is normal and I should not spend money >> on a sender but instead focus on fixing the oil consumption. >> >> Max > -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
All of mine (603) have done that. By the time you need to add oil, the light stays on. I tried replacing the sender once, and it mad NO difference. Jim Cathey has it figured out, the circuitboard in the instrument cluster goes bad, and the time delay fails, so the light flashes off and on all the time. it is made so that it stays on all the time when the level is at the add mark. I have just learned to "tune out" the oil light. Not a good thing, but otherwise, as Max is finding out, it drives you crazy. On 11/23/09 8:14 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh I dont know about that, it might be the sender, I am just not sure. The ones that it did that to me on may have had a bad sender as well. I just never looked at replacing them. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Thanks Kaleb, sounds like mine is normal and I should not spend money on a sender but instead focus on fixing the oil consumption. Max -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
I would like to get an ozone generator/cleaner. I've heard that the ozone can be really tough on some plastics and break them down quickly, so you can't leave them running for weeks and weeks, but they do the job. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house Ozone does a decent job of breaking down things that cause odors. They sell air cleaners that use a shielded UV lamp with a small fan to circulate air, or that use an electrical discharge. Nothing beats elbow grease to wipe down everything and extract the carpet. The ozone gets into the duct work and other places you can't get to with a rag. A buddy used them in his cleaning company. Over a few days they got rid of most of the lingering toasty smell from fire restorations and the dead body smell from crime scene cleanups. If nothing else, they will make it smell like ozone for a while. France used to use Ozone for water purification instead of Chlorine. Not sure if they still do. -Dave Walton On 11/22/09, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > So this 87 TD I have sitting around is like a greenhouse. Its been > sitting under a tree in the back for a while, and I knew it leaked a > little water anyway, I think its leaking from the sunroof maybe. > Anyway, I have not even gone out to look at it in a while, and I > opened it up, and it smells BAD, everything inside is coated with that > moldy crap, water condensation on all of the inside glass, even the speedo will have to be removed and cleaned up. > This car is NASTY. I threw a battery in it and fired it up and moved > it out into the open, cracked the only window that works to see if it > will dry/air out a bit. > When I do finally get around to getting this car on the road, anybody > got any ideas on how to get rid of that musty moldy smell and return > it back to smelling like a MB? I have several cars like this but this > one is by far the worse at the moment. > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 > 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D > euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list > archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
Thanks Peter. I'm suspicious of my valve seals but the turbo problem looks easier to test. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD The "add" mark is 2 quarts below the full mark. Yours is behaving exactly like mine -- starts to flash once in a while at the half-way point or so (one quart low) and is on continuously by the add mark. I think this is how they are supposed to work, pretty much. For the oil consumption, check your blowby by opening the filler cap at idle. Serious amounts of vapor would indicate a problem, typically these engines in good shape don't make more than a wisp of vapor at idle with the breather hose attached to the intake -- the turbo suction pulls the usual amount out. At your milage, I'd suspect worn valve guides. My brother is replacing the block in his SDL (oil starvation from a broken oil pan), and his valves seem to be somewhat loose (275,000 miles, not all on synthetic oil). He was getting more oil "smoke" that he wanted, too. New turbo a couple years ago, so that wasn't the problem. If you are still using too much oil and don't have much blowby, I'd suspect you need a new turbo -- they will leak copious amounts of oil and not make smoke at all until there is so much oil in the exhaust it won't burn. The key there is too much oil in the intake side -- take the air pipe off, wipe it out, re-install run with the blowby pipe out of the pipe (plug the hole, of course, leave the tube open) for a day, and then take the intake pipe off between the turbo and air filter housing. If there is significant oil on the turbo compressor wheel, the seals are shot (and so are the bearings) -- time for a new turbo cartridge. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Skoolz...
True. I had an offer from a private school, which catered heavily to the big money in town. Tony Dungy's kids went there, all the politicos sent their kids there, etc. They had no benefits to speak of, not to mention the faculty worked 9 hour days with one Saturday a month of in-service time. Had I been a youngster and wanted to gain some serious experience along with a nice reference for my resume I would have jumped on it. At the time in my life I got the offer it just didn't make a lot of fiscal sense to do it, as opposed to staying with the public schools, where at least I had benefits and earned a pension. Dan --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Jim Cathey wrote: From: Jim Cathey Subject: [MBZ] OT: Skoolz... To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:16 AM > Between the lack of respect from students, administration that won't back you > up, parents who treat you as an adversary rather than a partner, and > accountability standards that are unrealistic... None of which is to be found in the _private_ school we're sending our son to. We were/are fortunate enough to be able to vote with our feet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
Less than five cents to fix. Determine exactly how much it is off at your favorite cruising speed. Pull the speedometer, lift the end of the needle over the stop at zero. Once the needle comes to rest, mark position. Pull needle off, move to new 'correct' position and push it back on. Put all back in place, road test to confirm, repeat as necessary. Marshall is, I think, my source of this fix. I've used it exactly once with great success. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD I sensed that my speedometer was "off" so I tested it yesterday. I drove at 60mph for exactly one mile in cruise control and checked my watch - a little more than a minute. I tried this for several miles to verify the error, and sure enough, the speedometer was reading too HIGH. Even at 66 mph I barely made a mile a minute. The car is a1985 300TD with its original speedometer, tires are 205 70 14s and the transmission is form a 1985 300TD. Could either the tire size or replacement transmission have effected anything? The rear axle and differential are original AFAIK. So should I have the speedometer recalibrated or replace it with one from an 85 W123 turbo diesel?? Or should I just enjoy the illusion of driving really fast (e.g., 80 when it's more like only 72 mph)? Andrew 1983 300TD, 322 k miles (approximately) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day...
As one with advanced degrees from a "college of Education" within a university, I can say the quality of grad students getting advanced degrees in education was appalling. Aside from that, the indoctrination of new teachers consisted of just that, indoctrination in edubabble, (the ability to speak educanese, so as the parents will be intimidated and not question what is being taught, or how) indoctrination about all the latest fads that don't work, and nothing about critical thinking or methods that work. Mcguffie's reader, even the Dick and Jane books, and phonics and real math, along with real success and failure teaches kids to be citizens. That is something the "progressives" just don't want. When several of us caught a department chair plagiarizing grad student work, the college and university circled the wagons to silence those of us who knew about it, so as not to bring "embarrassment" to such a prestigious university. THe plagiarizing department chair was moved to a Michigan university and installed as a Dean. On 11/23/09 6:55 AM, LarryT wrote: dieselhead wrote> HAHA! I suspect the highly paid education administrators that do a lot of the lesson development are responsible for that. My daughter spent 2 years pursuing a education degree. She then spent a few weeks as a teaching assistant in a real school and decided she'd made a poor choice. The kids are completely undisciplined (and cannot be controlled), the lesson plans are prepared by aforementioned administrators and she decided to try something else. It was sad to see the spark of excitement extinguished - she had wanted to be a teacher for so long and it as crushed by a week of reality. But better then that later. You're right about people judging others by what they say and write - like the old adage goes - "you don't get a second chance to make a 1st impression." I was taught to read phonetically in SC then moved to Va when I was entering the 6th grade. Va had been 'experimenting' with a new reading tool - kids were taught to memorize words rather to than sound them out. This meant only words already known could be read properly and easily. It was agonizing to hear kids around me read out loud in class as they progressed through jr high school and then to high school and the osmosis never took affect for them. ;-\ They read like 2nd graders all the way to HS graduation. No wonder they hated reading. It's surprising any were able to learn anything else - each reading assignment was awful for them. I have a pretty low opinion of the administrators who came up with this nonsense. That's what our property tax money is used for - "experiments with the futures of a generation". How incredibly stoopid. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:08 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... They tried the "spell it any way you want; It doesn't matter" crap on our kids 15-20 years ago in the "best in the state" schools. We told the kids it does matter, because people do judge you by the way you speak and write, especially if you want to have a good income. Both are good writers and speakers now. That kind of writing may be ok to Alsharpton but the original posing on this list is proof to me that spelling does matter. On 11/20/09 4:09 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Not sure what the status is in the USA but I can tell you that in Canada in the past 15 years or more, spelling and grammer have not been considered important in the grade schools. My 21 year old son writes like that and he has a highschool diploma and a year of trade school college. He is an apprentice auto tech working in a shop. He works so many hours and then goes back to the college for a couple of months and then works more hours etc. He is working on his 3rd level hours now so he will have 2 more stints in college before he ultimately is a licences journeyman. They told them it was more important to get their ideas on paper than it was to do it correctly at the outset. I think they thought the students would become proficient by osmosis or something. In my son's case, it just did not happen because he was the sort of kid who did not let that sort of thing worry him. They told him it was Ok so he did it that way. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... Yeah, I was being rather rude there, but I just couldn't resist a cheap shot. I suspect that poor spelling and grammar in many cases is the result of sheer lazine
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
Ozone does a decent job of breaking down things that cause odors. They sell air cleaners that use a shielded UV lamp with a small fan to circulate air, or that use an electrical discharge. Nothing beats elbow grease to wipe down everything and extract the carpet. The ozone gets into the duct work and other places you can't get to with a rag. A buddy used them in his cleaning company. Over a few days they got rid of most of the lingering toasty smell from fire restorations and the dead body smell from crime scene cleanups. If nothing else, they will make it smell like ozone for a while. France used to use Ozone for water purification instead of Chlorine. Not sure if they still do. -Dave Walton On 11/22/09, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > So this 87 TD I have sitting around is like a greenhouse. Its been sitting > under a tree in the back for a while, and I knew it leaked a little water > anyway, I think its leaking from the sunroof maybe. Anyway, I have not even > gone out to look at it in a while, and I opened it up, and it smells BAD, > everything inside is coated with that moldy crap, water condensation on all > of the inside glass, even the speedo will have to be removed and cleaned up. > This car is NASTY. I threw a battery in it and fired it up and moved it > out into the open, cracked the only window that works to see if it will > dry/air out a bit. > When I do finally get around to getting this car on the road, anybody got > any ideas on how to get rid of that musty moldy smell and return it back to > smelling like a MB? I have several cars like this but this one is by far > the worse at the moment. > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 > 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro > manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
No, they are still slightly different pads, but either one can be found in either box. If you recall back to the list beginnings, pagid vs textar was a hot topic of debate. I used to use the pbr on the back of my 123s with good results. My personal preference is for zimmermann rotors or the ate power discs (the current version of which is called something like "premium one"). Balo has traditionally been the choice of mb owners as they are most like original. I'll also happily use any italian brembo or ate but not the chinese versions Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:44:53 To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads Depends on how much you love the car and what kind of driving you do I think. I did my 240D just over a year and just under 9,000 miles ago with PBR rotors and the cheapest pads (PBR I think) Rusty had. We're talking about a car I paid $400 for so I kept everything on the cheap. I drive mostly highway so my brakes tend to last (90,000 on the 190D and counting) and I can report zero problems with the brakes over the last year. Lately (last 2-3 months) I've been driving the 240D much more so I'll start to get a better idea on how they wear. If it were a car I was going to keep I'd spring the extra money for Akebono, looks to be ~$30 extra over Pagid for your car. I put Akebono on my Ranger and can already see a dramatic difference in the amount of brake dust. I haven't bothered to clean the wheels but I can see where rainwater is washing away the old dust in streaks and no new dust is developing. I think Hursty said Texar and Pagid are the same company now and probably the same pads marketed under different names... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:57:36 -0800 (PST) From: "P. Prud'homme" Subject: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: <988155.66056...@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello there, It is time to replace the brakes on my 1981 300D. I am looking at PBR rotors with either Pagid or Textar pads. What would you suggest? Thank you. --PT 1981 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
I guess I need to tell my fishing story (not Benz related). Between end of exams and commencement in my senior year at college, my roommate and I borrowed the other roommate's Dodge Dart for a trip up to Maine from Boston. We went deep sea fishing on the last day, caught a bunch of haddock and iced them in a plastic bag. It was wicked hot, as they say, and the ice melted. My roommate was driving along 95 on the way back, and he loved to tailgate and then slam on the brakes. Each time he did this, ice water sloshed onto my feet from the fish bag. When we got back, we extracted the bag o fish and returned the vehicle to the owner, who put the car in the lot. The car smelled a little ripe, and I figured that the fishy water was probably the cause but that this would go away. A few days later, after commencement, he and his family drove back to Ohio. They noticed a really bad smell, and got as far as NY State when the stench just got too much to bear. They pulled over, and Chris searched to see what was causing the vile odor. He discovered a haddock under the front passenger seat. Despite this, we are still friends... Andrew On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Gross... My dog barfed in the back seat of my 190D on the way to the vet. > It smelled sour when we got home (post cleaning) so I spread baking soda > over the whole backseat area, let that sit for an hour or two, then spread > dry coffee grounds over that and let it sit with a 100w lightbulb in the car > to help everything dry. Then vacuumed the whole mess with my shop vac and > the smell was mostly gone. A coffee sachet grabbed the rest of the smell > over a week or so. > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:09:52 -0700 > From: Bob Rentfro > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: > <2479e1690911230809h56001febwd6be528856d00...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Musty cars don't stand a chance out here > > I had one of the kids' dogs have the most horrible runniest, spewiest > doggie > squirts in the back seat of my F150 while on the way to the vet. Took it to > get it detailed (imagine that conversation being translated to Spanish and > watching the faces of the hombres that were going to do the cleanup work) > and they did what I thought was a very good job (I tipped them well > considering wha they were doing), until I drove the F150 back to Illinois > for a couple of weeks in the hot, humid, rainy summer. Things became > re-hydrated enough to gag anyone who got into the truck. Wish I would have > known the coffee trick then. I was buying all kinds of stuff trying to get > the smell out. My truck smelled like a dog had crapped on the restroom > floor > at the Cracker Barrel. > > Bob R > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
The OEM tires were 195 X 70s vs. the 205X 70s I am currently driving on. Will this cause a 10 percent discrepancy in the apparent vehicle speed? On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: > My '77 300D is dead-nuts on. I checked it after having been stopped and > John > Law was trying to convince me I was doing 58 in a 45. While he was > following > me (for 3.5 miles), I was going 46-48. > > Bob R > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:17 AM, wrote: > > > Check it against a GPS, my 300SDL was within 1% ! > > > > > > -- > > > > Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 > > All Mail to: > > Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. & A.M. > > 34 Country Club Drive > > Windsor, CT 06095 > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "andrew strasfogel" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:49:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD > > > > I sensed that my speedometer was "off" so I tested it yesterday. I drove > at > > 60mph for exactly one mile in cruise control and checked my watch - a > > little > > more than a minute. I tried this for several miles to verify the error, > and > > sure enough, the speedometer was reading too HIGH. Even at 66 mph I > barely > > made a mile a minute. The car is a1985 300TD with its original > speedometer, > > tires are 205 70 14s and the transmission is form a 1985 300TD. Could > > either the tire size or replacement transmission have effected anything? > > The rear axle and differential are original AFAIK. > > > > So should I have the speedometer recalibrated or replace it with one from > > an > > 85 W123 turbo diesel?? Or should I just enjoy the illusion of driving > > really fast (e.g., 80 when it's more like only 72 mph)? > > > > Andrew > > 1983 300TD, 322 k miles (approximately) > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
Gross... My dog barfed in the back seat of my 190D on the way to the vet. It smelled sour when we got home (post cleaning) so I spread baking soda over the whole backseat area, let that sit for an hour or two, then spread dry coffee grounds over that and let it sit with a 100w lightbulb in the car to help everything dry. Then vacuumed the whole mess with my shop vac and the smell was mostly gone. A coffee sachet grabbed the rest of the smell over a week or so. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:09:52 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro Subject: Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <2479e1690911230809h56001febwd6be528856d00...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Musty cars don't stand a chance out here I had one of the kids' dogs have the most horrible runniest, spewiest doggie squirts in the back seat of my F150 while on the way to the vet. Took it to get it detailed (imagine that conversation being translated to Spanish and watching the faces of the hombres that were going to do the cleanup work) and they did what I thought was a very good job (I tipped them well considering wha they were doing), until I drove the F150 back to Illinois for a couple of weeks in the hot, humid, rainy summer. Things became re-hydrated enough to gag anyone who got into the truck. Wish I would have known the coffee trick then. I was buying all kinds of stuff trying to get the smell out. My truck smelled like a dog had crapped on the restroom floor at the Cracker Barrel. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
Depends on how much you love the car and what kind of driving you do I think. I did my 240D just over a year and just under 9,000 miles ago with PBR rotors and the cheapest pads (PBR I think) Rusty had. We're talking about a car I paid $400 for so I kept everything on the cheap. I drive mostly highway so my brakes tend to last (90,000 on the 190D and counting) and I can report zero problems with the brakes over the last year. Lately (last 2-3 months) I've been driving the 240D much more so I'll start to get a better idea on how they wear. If it were a car I was going to keep I'd spring the extra money for Akebono, looks to be ~$30 extra over Pagid for your car. I put Akebono on my Ranger and can already see a dramatic difference in the amount of brake dust. I haven't bothered to clean the wheels but I can see where rainwater is washing away the old dust in streaks and no new dust is developing. I think Hursty said Texar and Pagid are the same company now and probably the same pads marketed under different names... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:57:36 -0800 (PST) From: "P. Prud'homme" Subject: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: <988155.66056...@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello there, It is time to replace the brakes on my 1981 300D. I am looking at PBR rotors with either Pagid or Textar pads. What would you suggest? Thank you. --PT 1981 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
My '77 300D is dead-nuts on. I checked it after having been stopped and John Law was trying to convince me I was doing 58 in a 45. While he was following me (for 3.5 miles), I was going 46-48. Bob R On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:17 AM, wrote: > Check it against a GPS, my 300SDL was within 1% ! > > > -- > > Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 > All Mail to: > Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. & A.M. > 34 Country Club Drive > Windsor, CT 06095 > > > - Original Message - > From: "andrew strasfogel" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:49:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD > > I sensed that my speedometer was "off" so I tested it yesterday. I drove at > 60mph for exactly one mile in cruise control and checked my watch - a > little > more than a minute. I tried this for several miles to verify the error, and > sure enough, the speedometer was reading too HIGH. Even at 66 mph I barely > made a mile a minute. The car is a1985 300TD with its original speedometer, > tires are 205 70 14s and the transmission is form a 1985 300TD. Could > either the tire size or replacement transmission have effected anything? > The rear axle and differential are original AFAIK. > > So should I have the speedometer recalibrated or replace it with one from > an > 85 W123 turbo diesel?? Or should I just enjoy the illusion of driving > really fast (e.g., 80 when it's more like only 72 mph)? > > Andrew > 1983 300TD, 322 k miles (approximately) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
Gary Hurst wrote: pagid and textar is a very weird deal. you can get pagid pads in a textar box and visa versa, so really just buy whichever one is cheaper for you. as for PBR rotors, you are deep into that chinese there. then again, you are also just as deep in the chinese with brembo but at least PBR are cheap to buy Where are Balo made these days, and do they weigh as much as the originals did? What about pads, what's the price difference between Pagid and Akebono? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
pagid and textar is a very weird deal. you can get pagid pads in a textar box and visa versa, so really just buy whichever one is cheaper for you. as for PBR rotors, you are deep into that chinese there. then again, you are also just as deep in the chinese with brembo but at least PBR are cheap to buy On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: > I have always used Balo rotors. Pagid and Textar are, I think, the same > company, and I've had excellent results from using those pads. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
Check it against a GPS, my 300SDL was within 1% ! -- Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 All Mail to: Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. & A.M. 34 Country Club Drive Windsor, CT 06095 - Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:49:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD I sensed that my speedometer was "off" so I tested it yesterday. I drove at 60mph for exactly one mile in cruise control and checked my watch - a little more than a minute. I tried this for several miles to verify the error, and sure enough, the speedometer was reading too HIGH. Even at 66 mph I barely made a mile a minute. The car is a1985 300TD with its original speedometer, tires are 205 70 14s and the transmission is form a 1985 300TD. Could either the tire size or replacement transmission have effected anything? The rear axle and differential are original AFAIK. So should I have the speedometer recalibrated or replace it with one from an 85 W123 turbo diesel?? Or should I just enjoy the illusion of driving really fast (e.g., 80 when it's more like only 72 mph)? Andrew 1983 300TD, 322 k miles (approximately) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
I have always used Balo rotors. Pagid and Textar are, I think, the same company, and I've had excellent results from using those pads. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
if you like super cheap generic chinese rotors, the PBR are fine On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM, P. Prud'homme wrote: > Hello there, > It is time to replace the brakes on my 1981 300D. I am looking at PBR > rotors with either Pagid or Textar pads. What would you suggest? > Thank you. > > --PT > 1981 300D > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
Musty cars don't stand a chance out here I had one of the kids' dogs have the most horrible runniest, spewiest doggie squirts in the back seat of my F150 while on the way to the vet. Took it to get it detailed (imagine that conversation being translated to Spanish and watching the faces of the hombres that were going to do the cleanup work) and they did what I thought was a very good job (I tipped them well considering wha they were doing), until I drove the F150 back to Illinois for a couple of weeks in the hot, humid, rainy summer. Things became re-hydrated enough to gag anyone who got into the truck. Wish I would have known the coffee trick then. I was buying all kinds of stuff trying to get the smell out. My truck smelled like a dog had crapped on the restroom floor at the Cracker Barrel. Bob R On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:50 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > I tried the ground coffee trick in my 300TD after it had sat wet for a few > weeks, but it failed to cure the musty odor. The only thing that did the > job was plenty of suinlight and a professional detailing. > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond > wrote: > > > I've had good luck making a sachet of ground coffee too. The coffee > absorbs > > the bad smells without really releasing any coffee smell. When I first > got > > my 240D back last summer it was pretty musty as it had sat for quite > awhile > > and the rear window seal has failed. A couple weeks of coffee helped > > (driving it has helped even more). > > > > The coffee grounds will also absorb moisture. To make the sachet I put > some > > coffee in a coffee filter and tape the outside edge together making a > > calzone kind of shape. > > > > -Curt > > > > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:05:08 -0600 > > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Message-ID: <4b0a9694.7010...@striplin.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I will have to give that a try. > > > > Wonko the Sane wrote: > > > I used a product (that I can't find in the garage at the moment) in the > > > Quantum. It is called Mouse Out, or something like that. Stop by any > farm > > > sort of place (tractor dealer) and they will have it. It is a mesh bag > > > filled with herbs and such. Does a good job. The bag sucks in the > smells > > and > > > makes the car smell good. > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
Hello there, It is time to replace the brakes on my 1981 300D. I am looking at PBR rotors with either Pagid or Textar pads. What would you suggest? Thank you. --PT 1981 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
Did the wagons come with 185/83R14 or 175/83R14? 185/83R14 would theoretically be 30mm larger than you have now, that's over an inch in diameter change. That would throw you off by about 4-5%, or 3mph at 60. 205/70 and 175/83 would be about 3mm different, or essentially identical. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
The "add" mark is 2 quarts below the full mark. Yours is behaving exactly like mine -- starts to flash once in a while at the half-way point or so (one quart low) and is on continuously by the add mark. I think this is how they are supposed to work, pretty much. For the oil consumption, check your blowby by opening the filler cap at idle. Serious amounts of vapor would indicate a problem, typically these engines in good shape don't make more than a wisp of vapor at idle with the breather hose attached to the intake -- the turbo suction pulls the usual amount out. At your milage, I'd suspect worn valve guides. My brother is replacing the block in his SDL (oil starvation from a broken oil pan), and his valves seem to be somewhat loose (275,000 miles, not all on synthetic oil). He was getting more oil "smoke" that he wanted, too. New turbo a couple years ago, so that wasn't the problem. If you are still using too much oil and don't have much blowby, I'd suspect you need a new turbo -- they will leak copious amounts of oil and not make smoke at all until there is so much oil in the exhaust it won't burn. The key there is too much oil in the intake side -- take the air pipe off, wipe it out, re-install run with the blowby pipe out of the pipe (plug the hole, of course, leave the tube open) for a day, and then take the intake pipe off between the turbo and air filter housing. If there is significant oil on the turbo compressor wheel, the seals are shot (and so are the bearings) -- time for a new turbo cartridge. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
I tried the ground coffee trick in my 300TD after it had sat wet for a few weeks, but it failed to cure the musty odor. The only thing that did the job was plenty of suinlight and a professional detailing. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I've had good luck making a sachet of ground coffee too. The coffee absorbs > the bad smells without really releasing any coffee smell. When I first got > my 240D back last summer it was pretty musty as it had sat for quite awhile > and the rear window seal has failed. A couple weeks of coffee helped > (driving it has helped even more). > > The coffee grounds will also absorb moisture. To make the sachet I put some > coffee in a coffee filter and tape the outside edge together making a > calzone kind of shape. > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:05:08 -0600 > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <4b0a9694.7010...@striplin.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I will have to give that a try. > > Wonko the Sane wrote: > > I used a product (that I can't find in the garage at the moment) in the > > Quantum. It is called Mouse Out, or something like that. Stop by any farm > > sort of place (tractor dealer) and they will have it. It is a mesh bag > > filled with herbs and such. Does a good job. The bag sucks in the smells > and > > makes the car smell good. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Faulty W123 speedometer in 1983 300TD
I sensed that my speedometer was "off" so I tested it yesterday. I drove at 60mph for exactly one mile in cruise control and checked my watch - a little more than a minute. I tried this for several miles to verify the error, and sure enough, the speedometer was reading too HIGH. Even at 66 mph I barely made a mile a minute. The car is a1985 300TD with its original speedometer, tires are 205 70 14s and the transmission is form a 1985 300TD. Could either the tire size or replacement transmission have effected anything? The rear axle and differential are original AFAIK. So should I have the speedometer recalibrated or replace it with one from an 85 W123 turbo diesel?? Or should I just enjoy the illusion of driving really fast (e.g., 80 when it's more like only 72 mph)? Andrew 1983 300TD, 322 k miles (approximately) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
I am an even bigger fan of the "make offer" option. I've gotten some real deals that way, with no fear of sniping. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:39 AM, dave walton wrote: > That's how the online GSA Auctions work. They do have a weakness, > however. I suppose you could make the smallest incremental bid > repetitively over several hours which would cause the auction to end > in the wee hours of the morning when no one else was awake or > motivated enough to bid against you. > > For online parts auctions, it would be good if the item remained > listed for months instead of days. List a Buy-it-Now and accept > offers. I have at least a hundred items that I would gladly trade for > cash well under what a new one would cost, but which are too obscure > to put on eBay in hopes someone who needs it looks it up in the next > couple days. > > -Dave Walton > > On 11/22/09, Allan Streib wrote: > > Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > I believe the market is overripe for some serious competition to the > > > Bay area whackos' fleabay. I think there is enough talent on this > > > list to launch it. > > > > > > Do you think the auction format is still the best? I always thought a > > neat alternative to eBay, to get rid of the sniping type behavior, would > > be to have the auction end time be flexible, like in a real auction. > > That is, each time a bid comes in, the end of the auction is extended by > > some minutes. Only once no bids have been received for some amount of > > time would the gavel be dropped and the item sold. > > > > But for parts, I'm not sure an auction makes sense. There may not be > > enough interest in any particular part to get an acceptable price by > > bidding. In this case a fixed price (maybe with a option to make a > > lower offer but this would not be binding on the seller to accept) might > > be better. > > > > Allan > > > > -- > > 1983 300D > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This could be a great deal!
I've had the problem of vehicle shutoff failure caused by blown right rear and L and R front door elements (1983 300TD). Easy fixes. . On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > IMO the only vac lines that affect shutoff and start up are the 2 lines >> between the ign sw and the shutoff valve on the IP. >> > > The trouble is that all the accessories feed from a small > orifice to the vacuum supply. It doesn't take much of a > leak in _any_ of the consumers to render them all inoperable. > > -- Jim > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
That's how the online GSA Auctions work. They do have a weakness, however. I suppose you could make the smallest incremental bid repetitively over several hours which would cause the auction to end in the wee hours of the morning when no one else was awake or motivated enough to bid against you. For online parts auctions, it would be good if the item remained listed for months instead of days. List a Buy-it-Now and accept offers. I have at least a hundred items that I would gladly trade for cash well under what a new one would cost, but which are too obscure to put on eBay in hopes someone who needs it looks it up in the next couple days. -Dave Walton On 11/22/09, Allan Streib wrote: > Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes: > > > I believe the market is overripe for some serious competition to the > > Bay area whackos' fleabay. I think there is enough talent on this > > list to launch it. > > > Do you think the auction format is still the best? I always thought a > neat alternative to eBay, to get rid of the sniping type behavior, would > be to have the auction end time be flexible, like in a real auction. > That is, each time a bid comes in, the end of the auction is extended by > some minutes. Only once no bids have been received for some amount of > time would the gavel be dropped and the item sold. > > But for parts, I'm not sure an auction makes sense. There may not be > enough interest in any particular part to get an acceptable price by > bidding. In this case a fixed price (maybe with a option to make a > lower offer but this would not be binding on the seller to accept) might > be better. > > Allan > > -- > 1983 300D > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
I've had good luck making a sachet of ground coffee too. The coffee absorbs the bad smells without really releasing any coffee smell. When I first got my 240D back last summer it was pretty musty as it had sat for quite awhile and the rear window seal has failed. A couple weeks of coffee helped (driving it has helped even more). The coffee grounds will also absorb moisture. To make the sachet I put some coffee in a coffee filter and tape the outside edge together making a calzone kind of shape. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:05:08 -0600 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Subject: Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <4b0a9694.7010...@striplin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I will have to give that a try. Wonko the Sane wrote: > I used a product (that I can't find in the garage at the moment) in the > Quantum. It is called Mouse Out, or something like that. Stop by any farm > sort of place (tractor dealer) and they will have it. It is a mesh bag > filled with herbs and such. Does a good job. The bag sucks in the smells and > makes the car smell good. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
You're giving him a lot of credit. Its usually "I drove about 100 miles (meaning 80) and put in about 5 gallons of fuel (meaning 5.8) so thats about 45mpg" Very few people even really know how to calculate mpg, never mind bothering to use real numbers. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:34:32 -0500 From: "LarryT" Subject: Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800 To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <4193d554b3dc43eca14226c7928de...@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Given most of their lack of ability with basic English usage when writing ads for ebay and craigs , I would be suspicious of their math skills as well. "Let's see, I drove 100 miles and put 5 gallons of diesel in it - yeah, that sounds about like 45 mpg." Oh well... LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which of you screwed this guy?
I had bidding fever sell a snowmobile carb kit once. I'd paid $20 at a local shop, then sold the sled without the kit and put the kit on the Bay where it sold for $35. Wow... So I went and bought another kit for $20 which sold for $25 at which point I realized I'd probably saturated the market and quit. Best deal I ever had was when we were closing out of a building a work and throwing away some old video capture cards. I took a crate of them home to see if they were worth anything. Turned out they were worth $200 a pop... Made my Christmas money on eBay that year. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:50:18 -0500 From: "LarryT" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Which of you screwed this guy? To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <343e3d341b5c44a8b2b450f97804b...@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response At only 100K miles it sounds like it would make a awesome 300D if it has been reasonably cared for - although it sounds like a bit of maintenance has been neglected. It sounds like he bought a car expecting perfection - and paid for perfection - but he got a typical ebay special. I wouldn't mind having a nice 85 300D but would have to get it for less that $1500 - reasonable considering the work needed. If the description in eBay was not accurate seems he could get his money back? I came *real* close to buying a 91 300D on ebay and checked out the things needed to get a refund if the deal went sour - and accuracy of the listing was important. I agree with the others - he got all excited in the bidding and won! Reminds me of some carburetor jets I sold on ebay a month or so ago - they sold for $110 while I sell them on my website for $50! A guy in France bought them but I don't know why he paid so much unless it was bidding fever. LarryT 81 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
I understand CL is at least partially owned by the fleabay folks. --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:05 PM > I disagree; surely better business > models are out there, but being the > first one to get big and dominate the market means that > business will > usually stay in that position unless they go bankrupt or > somehow remove > themselves from the game. CL seems to be the best > competitor only > because their business model is different. > > Max > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Skoolz...
Jim Cathey wrote: None of which is to be found in the _private_ school we're sending our son to. We were/are fortunate enough to be able to vote with our feet. Private schools can be pretty fruity too. http://www.dailylocal.com/articles/2009/11/18/news/srv006854364.txt http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/43281.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
So, would a failed capacitor on the board cause the light to come on/off quickly (blink)? The RC oscillator capacitor is not the sort that, in itself, fails. But if the solder joint to it goes bad, and VDO has a long and rich history of MB solder problems over the long term, then yes. The light effectively becomes connected directly to the sender, and comes on a lot when it oughtn't. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This could be a great deal!
IMO the only vac lines that affect shutoff and start up are the 2 lines between the ign sw and the shutoff valve on the IP. The trouble is that all the accessories feed from a small orifice to the vacuum supply. It doesn't take much of a leak in _any_ of the consumers to render them all inoperable. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
Oh I dont know about that, it might be the sender, I am just not sure. The ones that it did that to me on may have had a bad sender as well. I just never looked at replacing them. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Thanks Kaleb, sounds like mine is normal and I should not spend money on a sender but instead focus on fixing the oil consumption. Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Skoolz...
Between the lack of respect from students, administration that won't back you up, parents who treat you as an adversary rather than a partner, and accountability standards that are unrealistic... None of which is to be found in the _private_ school we're sending our son to. We were/are fortunate enough to be able to vote with our feet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This could be a great deal!
If we are talking about a 123 or earlier, any leak in the vacuum system, be it in the central locking, or ACC or anywhere else can cause it to not shut down. LarryT wrote: The seller wrote about a 'engine shut off' problem that was> IMO the only vac lines that affect shutoff and start up are the 2 lines between the ign sw and the shutoff valve on the IP. Also if it's an easy fix why not fix it and not have to list it as a problem? I would also worry about a Garret turbo charger being added. Like kit cars, stuff like this can vary widely in quality of workmanship. Anyway - have a nice week - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:44 AM To: Subject: [MBZ] This could be a great deal! http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/1458818034.html I wonder how long it will take Kaleb to get up here to Wichita. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
Thanks Kaleb, sounds like mine is normal and I should not spend money on a sender but instead focus on fixing the oil consumption. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD I have experienced that too with a variety of 603's, we well as other MB engines. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > When you say a quart low, do you mean that the dipstick is reading at > the "add" mark? My complaint is that mine starts illuminating the > warning light when the level has just started to drop from the > mid-point between the "add" and "max. fill" points, and by the time I > wait for the level to drop to the "add" mark, the light is on continuously. > > I've fixed all the oil leaks (resealed the injection pump, new vacuum > pump) and there is no oil spotting from the car now, so either the > turbo seals are letting oil into the intake manifold or the rings are > bad or the valve seals are bad or some combination of those three is going on. > > Max > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure
Some have suggesting taking the intake to a machine shop for them to clean in a tank, and I believe the cost is reasonable. I may try that if I decide to have the '95's intake cleaned. I had to get a used intake for my '87 from PGA, and it came fairly clean. I decided to try to finish the job with brake cleaner, brushes and rags, and it took a LOT longer than I thought it would. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure I wonder what's the easiest/best way to clean the intakes - probably the old fashioned "messy-by-hand method" using lots of rags and any kind of cleaner that works. Anyone have a better method? I'm guessing a bead blaster might be helpful? LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Curt Raymond" Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:00 PM To: "Diesel List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure > The Speedee lube place by my house cleaned a bunch of carbon slime out > of the intake on my 300TD back in the day and it also made a huge > difference in the drivability of the car. > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:39:20 -0500 > From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Message-ID: <002201ca692e$76732470$63596d...@net> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > I just had the exh manifold gasket replaced on my 602-Indy showed me a > whole yogurt container full of carbon he took out of intake and > plenum. Drove it 150 miles yesterday-new car-and not just by > comparison the to my 240D. > Dwight > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? > 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. > Wickford, RI > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
I have experienced that too with a variety of 603's, we well as other MB engines. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: When you say a quart low, do you mean that the dipstick is reading at the "add" mark? My complaint is that mine starts illuminating the warning light when the level has just started to drop from the mid-point between the "add" and "max. fill" points, and by the time I wait for the level to drop to the "add" mark, the light is on continuously. I've fixed all the oil leaks (resealed the injection pump, new vacuum pump) and there is no oil spotting from the car now, so either the turbo seals are letting oil into the intake manifold or the rings are bad or the valve seals are bad or some combination of those three is going on. Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
I disagree; surely better business models are out there, but being the first one to get big and dominate the market means that business will usually stay in that position unless they go bankrupt or somehow remove themselves from the game. CL seems to be the best competitor only because their business model is different. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again Andrew wrote <> I assume you meant "none" instead of "on". I disagree - someone will come up with a business model that everyone will flock to - if someone finds a way to prevent abuse by flaky bidders and people will flock to them. Also, a better feedback system would be helpful - just as Walmart blew all the other department stores away a few years ago I can see them starting to slip - someone will do to them what they did to all those other retailers. Some day... LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "andrew strasfogel" Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 9:58 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again > Ebay has on and will never have any REAL competition because they are > just so damned good from a bidder's perspective. I love the thrill of > sniping in my winning bid at the end of a hot auction. > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There is a place called ioffer.com.Ubid.com has been around for a >> long >> time. I think it was started by the macmall/pcmall folks, or >> somebody they knew. Ubid has listings for used cars, but I don't >> think there is a category for parts. It caters more toward consumer >> electronics. >> >> I listed a tractor on ubid, and got a few lowball (ridiculous) >> offers. I sold it by a targeted email on the uppermidwest Organic >> fruitgrowers email list. >> >> I believe the market is overripe for some serious competition to the >> Bay area whackos' fleabay. I think there is enough talent on this >> list to launch it. >> >> >> On 11/21/09 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >> >>> I have just about had it with ebay. I took quite a long break from >>> ebay because of all of their rule changes, and have recently been >>> selling a few things there. Nothing is selling for anywhere near >>> what it should, most things that usually do sell are not getting >>> bids. So some jackass johnny come lately with 30 something >>> feedback, who has only been a member for a few months leaves me >>> negative feedback saying his item never showed up. >>> This >>> guy never contacted me, apparently did not pay attention to delivery >>> times in the auction, never paid attention to the tracking info that >>> was emailed to him when it shipped. He even pays for parcel post to >>> cheap out on the shipping but I went ahead and shipped it fedex for >>> him. And he leave negative feedback. Ebay has cut the balls off of >>> sellers and they cant leave negative feedback for these type of >>> buyers. I am done, it is just not worth it at all. >>> What else is out there to sell parts and such on? >>> >>> >> -- >> 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives >> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
I will have to give that a try. Wonko the Sane wrote: I used a product (that I can't find in the garage at the moment) in the Quantum. It is called Mouse Out, or something like that. Stop by any farm sort of place (tractor dealer) and they will have it. It is a mesh bag filled with herbs and such. Does a good job. The bag sucks in the smells and makes the car smell good. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So this 87 TD I have sitting around is like a greenhouse. Its been sitting under a tree in the back for a while, and I knew it leaked a little water anyway, I think its leaking from the sunroof maybe. Anyway, I have not even gone out to look at it in a while, and I opened it up, and it smells BAD, everything inside is coated with that moldy crap, water condensation on all of the inside glass, even the speedo will have to be removed and cleaned up. This car is NASTY. I threw a battery in it and fired it up and moved it out into the open, cracked the only window that works to see if it will dry/air out a bit. When I do finally get around to getting this car on the road, anybody got any ideas on how to get rid of that musty moldy smell and return it back to smelling like a MB? I have several cars like this but this one is by far the worse at the moment. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
So, would a failed capacitor on the board cause the light to come on/off quickly (blink)? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD > http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d.html#lowoil Bad link, make that: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190dlog.html#lowoil -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day...
Larry, I got a degree in education, and before I graduated knew that I didn't want to do it. Between the lack of respect from students, administration that won't back you up, parents who treat you as an adversary rather than a partner, and accountability standards that are unrealistic, I realized it just wasn't the sort of environment that I could be successful in and retain my sanity. Dan --- On Mon, 11/23/09, LarryT wrote: From: LarryT Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 7:55 AM dieselhead wrote <> HAHA! I suspect the highly paid education administrators that do a lot of the lesson development are responsible for that. My daughter spent 2 years pursuing a education degree. She then spent a few weeks as a teaching assistant in a real school and decided she'd made a poor choice. The kids are completely undisciplined (and cannot be controlled), the lesson plans are prepared by aforementioned administrators and she decided to try something else. It was sad to see the spark of excitement extinguished - she had wanted to be a teacher for so long and it as crushed by a week of reality. But better then that later. You're right about people judging others by what they say and write - like the old adage goes - "you don't get a second chance to make a 1st impression." I was taught to read phonetically in SC then moved to Va when I was entering the 6th grade. Va had been 'experimenting' with a new reading tool - kids were taught to memorize words rather to than sound them out. This meant only words already known could be read properly and easily. It was agonizing to hear kids around me read out loud in class as they progressed through jr high school and then to high school and the osmosis never took affect for them. ;-\ They read like 2nd graders all the way to HS graduation. No wonder they hated reading. It's surprising any were able to learn anything else - each reading assignment was awful for them. I have a pretty low opinion of the administrators who came up with this nonsense. That's what our property tax money is used for - "experiments with the futures of a generation". How incredibly stoopid. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:08 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... > They tried the "spell it any way you want; It doesn't matter" crap on our > kids 15-20 years ago in the "best in the state" schools. We told the kids it > does matter, because people do judge you by the way you speak and write, > especially if you want to have a good income. Both are good writers and > speakers now. > > That kind of writing may be ok to Alsharpton but the original posing on this > list is proof to me that spelling does matter. > > On 11/20/09 4:09 PM, R A Bennell wrote: >> Not sure what the status is in the USA but I can tell you that in Canada in >> the past 15 years or more, spelling and >> grammer have not been considered important in the grade schools. My 21 year >> old son writes like that and he has a >> highschool diploma and a year of trade school college. He is an apprentice >> auto tech working in a shop. He works so >> many hours and then goes back to the college for a couple of months and then >> works more hours etc. He is working on >> his 3rd level hours now so he will have 2 more stints in college before he >> ultimately is a licences journeyman. >> They told them it was more important to get their ideas on paper than it was >> to do it correctly at the outset. I >> think they thought the students would become proficient by osmosis or >> something. In my son's case, it just did not >> happen because he was the sort of kid who did not let that sort of thing >> worry him. They told him it was Ok so he >> did it that way. >> >> Randy >> >> -Original Message- >> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com >> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV >> SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 >> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:36 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... >> >> >> Yeah, I was being rather rude there, but I just couldn't resist a cheap >> shot. I suspect that poor spelling and grammar in many cases is the >> result of sheer laziness, but it could also be due to something beyond a >> person's control ala Wonko The Sane's clients... >> >> Max >> >> -Original Message- >> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com >> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M >> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:04 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... >> >> Based on his pos
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
Given most of their lack of ability with basic English usage when writing ads for ebay and craigs , I would be suspicious of their math skills as well. "Let's see, I drove 100 miles and put 5 gallons of diesel in it - yeah, that sounds about like 45 mpg." Oh well... LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "andrew strasfogel" Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:15 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800 It really makes me wonder. Are people claiming 45 mpg for a car that gets in the 20s MPG range malicious liars or just astoundingly stupid? On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: I wonder if this could be a 240D or a 190D? An '84 190D 2.2 with a stickshift just might get 45! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This could be a great deal!
The seller wrote about a 'engine shut off' problem that was> IMO the only vac lines that affect shutoff and start up are the 2 lines between the ign sw and the shutoff valve on the IP. Also if it's an easy fix why not fix it and not have to list it as a problem? I would also worry about a Garret turbo charger being added. Like kit cars, stuff like this can vary widely in quality of workmanship. Anyway - have a nice week - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:44 AM To: Subject: [MBZ] This could be a great deal! http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/1458818034.html I wonder how long it will take Kaleb to get up here to Wichita. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure
I wonder what's the easiest/best way to clean the intakes - probably the old fashioned "messy-by-hand method" using lots of rags and any kind of cleaner that works. Anyone have a better method? I'm guessing a bead blaster might be helpful? LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Curt Raymond" Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:00 PM To: "Diesel List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure The Speedee lube place by my house cleaned a bunch of carbon slime out of the intake on my 300TD back in the day and it also made a huge difference in the drivability of the car. -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:39:20 -0500 From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Progress report on my cheap E300 Diesel adventure To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <002201ca692e$76732470$63596d...@net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" I just had the exh manifold gasket replaced on my 602-Indy showed me a whole yogurt container full of carbon he took out of intake and plenum. Drove it 150 miles yesterday-new car-and not just by comparison the to my 240D. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
Andrew wrote <> I assume you meant "none" instead of "on". I disagree - someone will come up with a business model that everyone will flock to - if someone finds a way to prevent abuse by flaky bidders and people will flock to them. Also, a better feedback system would be helpful - just as Walmart blew all the other department stores away a few years ago I can see them starting to slip - someone will do to them what they did to all those other retailers. Some day... LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "andrew strasfogel" Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 9:58 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again Ebay has on and will never have any REAL competition because they are just so damned good from a bidder's perspective. I love the thrill of sniping in my winning bid at the end of a hot auction. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: There is a place called ioffer.com.Ubid.com has been around for a long time. I think it was started by the macmall/pcmall folks, or somebody they knew. Ubid has listings for used cars, but I don't think there is a category for parts. It caters more toward consumer electronics. I listed a tractor on ubid, and got a few lowball (ridiculous) offers. I sold it by a targeted email on the uppermidwest Organic fruitgrowers email list. I believe the market is overripe for some serious competition to the Bay area whackos' fleabay. I think there is enough talent on this list to launch it. On 11/21/09 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have just about had it with ebay. I took quite a long break from ebay because of all of their rule changes, and have recently been selling a few things there. Nothing is selling for anywhere near what it should, most things that usually do sell are not getting bids. So some jackass johnny come lately with 30 something feedback, who has only been a member for a few months leaves me negative feedback saying his item never showed up. This guy never contacted me, apparently did not pay attention to delivery times in the auction, never paid attention to the tracking info that was emailed to him when it shipped. He even pays for parcel post to cheap out on the shipping but I went ahead and shipped it fedex for him. And he leave negative feedback. Ebay has cut the balls off of sellers and they cant leave negative feedback for these type of buyers. I am done, it is just not worth it at all. What else is out there to sell parts and such on? -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day...
dieselhead wrote <> HAHA! I suspect the highly paid education administrators that do a lot of the lesson development are responsible for that. My daughter spent 2 years pursuing a education degree. She then spent a few weeks as a teaching assistant in a real school and decided she'd made a poor choice. The kids are completely undisciplined (and cannot be controlled), the lesson plans are prepared by aforementioned administrators and she decided to try something else. It was sad to see the spark of excitement extinguished - she had wanted to be a teacher for so long and it as crushed by a week of reality. But better then that later. You're right about people judging others by what they say and write - like the old adage goes - "you don't get a second chance to make a 1st impression." I was taught to read phonetically in SC then moved to Va when I was entering the 6th grade. Va had been 'experimenting' with a new reading tool - kids were taught to memorize words rather to than sound them out. This meant only words already known could be read properly and easily. It was agonizing to hear kids around me read out loud in class as they progressed through jr high school and then to high school and the osmosis never took affect for them. ;-\ They read like 2nd graders all the way to HS graduation. No wonder they hated reading. It's surprising any were able to learn anything else - each reading assignment was awful for them. I have a pretty low opinion of the administrators who came up with this nonsense. That's what our property tax money is used for - "experiments with the futures of a generation". How incredibly stoopid. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:08 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... They tried the "spell it any way you want; It doesn't matter" crap on our kids 15-20 years ago in the "best in the state" schools. We told the kids it does matter, because people do judge you by the way you speak and write, especially if you want to have a good income. Both are good writers and speakers now. That kind of writing may be ok to Alsharpton but the original posing on this list is proof to me that spelling does matter. On 11/20/09 4:09 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Not sure what the status is in the USA but I can tell you that in Canada in the past 15 years or more, spelling and grammer have not been considered important in the grade schools. My 21 year old son writes like that and he has a highschool diploma and a year of trade school college. He is an apprentice auto tech working in a shop. He works so many hours and then goes back to the college for a couple of months and then works more hours etc. He is working on his 3rd level hours now so he will have 2 more stints in college before he ultimately is a licences journeyman. They told them it was more important to get their ideas on paper than it was to do it correctly at the outset. I think they thought the students would become proficient by osmosis or something. In my son's case, it just did not happen because he was the sort of kid who did not let that sort of thing worry him. They told him it was Ok so he did it that way. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... Yeah, I was being rather rude there, but I just couldn't resist a cheap shot. I suspect that poor spelling and grammar in many cases is the result of sheer laziness, but it could also be due to something beyond a person's control ala Wonko The Sane's clients... Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... Based on his post, I'd say he's already behind with a few payments. I've checked a few of my emails after posting, and I know, I have no right to point fingers or laugh. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/11/20 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310< meade.m.dil...@navy.mil> A very nice and one of the best mercedes car roled form the german bavarian company. A vey nice florida car daily drive with6 cyclinder 3.0 liter engine. I am very sad to let go of the car but need the money for my college. Please contact me thorught my phone:239 595 8645. Thanks. Johnny. I hope his college classes include elementary grammar. Very respectfully, /s/ LCDR Max Dillon '87 300TD 316k miles '95 E300 274k miles Charleston SC
Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day...
I knew nothing about cover (hat, lid) etiquette until I started NROTC, and unless someone else had mentored me I never would have learned. My memory is that my father focused on teaching us to speak correctly and respectfully, to have good penmanship and to write well, and the evils of collectivism. Also he made sure we that we knew how to hunt/kill/dress animals from squirrel up to deer. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... > Another pet-peeve, when did older men decide it was okay to wear hats > in restaurants? Used to be it was only idiot kids, now its everybody. Sometimes this is me. Usually when there's NO place to put the hat! I prefer to take it off, but I won't put it just anywhere either. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD
When you say a quart low, do you mean that the dipstick is reading at the "add" mark? My complaint is that mine starts illuminating the warning light when the level has just started to drop from the mid-point between the "add" and "max. fill" points, and by the time I wait for the level to drop to the "add" mark, the light is on continuously. I've fixed all the oil leaks (resealed the injection pump, new vacuum pump) and there is no oil spotting from the car now, so either the turbo seals are letting oil into the intake manifold or the rings are bad or the valve seals are bad or some combination of those three is going on. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Puzzler of the day: oil level sender '87 300TD You can try replacing the float assembly, but this is pretty typical behavior for those things. Mine comes on occasionally when I'm about a quart low, so does the one in my mother's 300TE at the same point. The observation that you "burn" more oil completely full is typical Benz. Do check for an oil leak at the shut-off lever and for oil from the front seal (and turbo drain 0-rings) -- these three leaks can be the source of your "consumption", as I know only too well. I've got to fix all three on mine, hopefully next week in time for a trip. My old 300D with 270,000 miles use NO oil between changes when I had all the leaks fixed. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which of you screwed this guy?
At only 100K miles it sounds like it would make a awesome 300D if it has been reasonably cared for - although it sounds like a bit of maintenance has been neglected. It sounds like he bought a car expecting perfection - and paid for perfection - but he got a typical ebay special. I wouldn't mind having a nice 85 300D but would have to get it for less that $1500 - reasonable considering the work needed. If the description in eBay was not accurate seems he could get his money back?I came *real* close to buying a 91 300D on ebay and checked out the things needed to get a refund if the deal went sour - and accuracy of the listing was important. I agree with the others - he got all excited in the bidding and won! Reminds me of some carburetor jets I sold on ebay a month or so ago - they sold for $110 while I sell them on my website for $50! A guy in France bought them but I don't know why he paid so much unless it was bidding fever. LarryT 81 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Jim Cathey" Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:45 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Which of you screwed this guy? http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1474654947.html Whiner. Brakes _and_ calipers need work, oh my. His list, such as it is, is minor except for the ball joints, he could DIY in a weekend. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
